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Re: Kenny Pickett traded to Eagles.
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Originally Posted by
Dwinsgames
I guess if this were an Eagles forum , sure .....
or even if it was in the NFL section .....
But a 900 post count thread about a player that plays for a different team is a bit ridiculous
If a new season had already started, sure. But he's the most recent guy and he was a first round pick. Having an ongoing discussion about him during the offseason is normal. I'm sure that you've contributed double digit posts into this thread, including today. People move on when there is something new to move on to. That will happen in a few weeks. If people didn't want to talk about it they wouldn't feel the need to stop into the clearly marked Kenny Pickett thread just to say they don't want to talk about it.
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Re: Kenny Pickett traded to Eagles.
Im not surprised by the length of the thread. The move was a big deal and was unforeseen. Steelers ditched their 1st round QB before his rookie contract was up for a former pro bowl vet thats already bounced around a bit. Its a first for the steelers in the modern era.
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Re: Kenny Pickett traded to Eagles.
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Originally Posted by
Dwinsgames
I guess if this were an Eagles forum , sure .....
or even if it was in the NFL section .....
But a 900 post count thread about a player that plays for a different team is a bit ridiculous
...he says as he contributes to the post count. :rofl2:
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Re: Kenny Pickett traded to Eagles.
Labriola has a very insightful take on the subject of KP in “Asked and Answered” this morning on the Steelers website. Sorry, I’m not competent enough to copy and paste from my tablet.
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Re: Kenny Pickett traded to Eagles.
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Originally Posted by
Hawkman
Labriola has a very insightful take on the subject of KP in “Asked and Answered” this morning on the Steelers website. Sorry, I’m not competent enough to copy and paste from my tablet.
I often am in disagreement with Labs but I had to look this up since you mentioned it and find that it is impossible to disagree with IMO .....
https://www.steelers.com/news/asked-...ed-aug-1-x7836
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Re: Kenny Pickett traded to Eagles.
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Originally Posted by
Dwinsgames
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Originally Posted by
Hawkman
Labriola has a very insightful take on the subject of KP in “Asked and Answered” this morning on the Steelers website. Sorry, I’m not competent enough to copy and paste from my tablet.
NICHOLAS PELCHAR FROM PURCELLVILLE, VA: I am impressed by the job General Manager Omar Khan has done, but to me it is somewhat dubious that Kenny Pickett "demanded" a trade. Now that Pickett is gone, was it a wise move?
ANSWER: When it comes to this issue, it has been my opinion all along that Kenny Pickett quit on the Steelers. The Steelers were presented with the opportunity to sign a veteran, proven, Super Bowl winning quarterback in Russell Wilson to a one-year contract for only the veteran minimum salary of $1.2 million for 2024, and the decision was made to make the move to strengthen the depth chart at that position. It was only a one-year contract, a short-term arrangement, and Pickett would have had the chance to compete with Wilson, learn from Wilson, see first-hand how a seasoned professional carries himself in the locker room, with the media, with fans, and in the process get a chance to learn how to carry the responsibility of being an NFL team's franchise quarterback.
But Pickett wasn't interested in competing and learning, and he reacted to the move as though it were an insult. In my opinion, that was a petulant reaction from a guy who had yet to establish himself as a pro and could have benefitted from watching and learning from someone who has been voted to 9 Pro Bowls, won the Walter Payton Man of the Year Award, passed for 43,653 yards, 334 touchdowns, 100 interceptions, and has a career rating of 100.0 to go along with 39 game-winning drives. That smacked of an unearned arrogance to me, and I credit the Steelers for responding to Pickett's snit by working out a trade for Justin Fields, who has shown absolutely no reluctance to come here and learn and work on his craft, and being willing to do so even though he has a much more dynamic skill-set than Pickett. Finally, it's curious to me that someone who resisted watching and learning behind Russell Wilson is now in a situation where he is having to do the exact same thing behind Jalen Hurts.
https://www.steelers.com/news/asked-...ed-aug-1-x7836
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Re: Kenny Pickett traded to Eagles.
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Originally Posted by
polamalubeast
NICHOLAS PELCHAR FROM PURCELLVILLE, VA: I am impressed by the job General Manager Omar Khan has done, but to me it is somewhat dubious that Kenny Pickett "demanded" a trade. Now that Pickett is gone, was it a wise move?
ANSWER: When it comes to this issue, it has been my opinion all along that Kenny Pickett quit on the Steelers. The Steelers were presented with the opportunity to sign a veteran, proven, Super Bowl winning quarterback in Russell Wilson to a one-year contract for only the veteran minimum salary of $1.2 million for 2024, and the decision was made to make the move to strengthen the depth chart at that position. It was only a one-year contract, a short-term arrangement, and Pickett would have had the chance to compete with Wilson, learn from Wilson, see first-hand how a seasoned professional carries himself in the locker room, with the media, with fans, and in the process get a chance to learn how to carry the responsibility of being an NFL team's franchise quarterback.
But Pickett wasn't interested in competing and learning, and he reacted to the move as though it were an insult. In my opinion, that was a petulant reaction from a guy who had yet to establish himself as a pro and could have benefitted from watching and learning from someone who has been voted to 9 Pro Bowls, won the Walter Payton Man of the Year Award, passed for 43,653 yards, 334 touchdowns, 100 interceptions, and has a career rating of 100.0 to go along with 39 game-winning drives. That smacked of an unearned arrogance to me, and I credit the Steelers for responding to Pickett's snit by working out a trade for Justin Fields, who has shown absolutely no reluctance to come here and learn and work on his craft, and being willing to do so even though he has a much more dynamic skill-set than Pickett. Finally, it's curious to me that someone who resisted watching and learning behind Russell Wilson is now in a situation where he is having to do the exact same thing behind Jalen Hurts.
https://www.steelers.com/news/asked-...ed-aug-1-x7836
Yep. Far be it from the "Kenny saw how Tomlin screwed Mason and wanted no part of the Steelers" stuff some posters have been saying, Kenny could have competed and won the starting job either this year or if not this year then next year. If Kenny had kept his mouth shut and worked hard, he had a chance to make the Steelers feel comfortable with him being the QB of the future after Wilson was done here.
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Re: Kenny Pickett traded to Eagles.
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
Yep. Far be it from the "Kenny saw how Tomlin screwed Mason and wanted no part of the Steelers" stuff some posters have been saying, Kenny could have competed and won the starting job either this year or if not this year then next year. If Kenny had kept his mouth shut and worked hard, he had a chance to make the Steelers feel comfortable with him being the QB of the future after Wilson was done here.
Bullpucky.
Mason shut his mouth and "competed" and worked hard, even played well and it earned himself a trip out of town. When Mike Tomlin doesn't like you, you're out. You're confusing the Steelers of today than the Steelers of yesteryear. They don't do "competition" and "work hard and earn it". The Steelers culture now runs on favoritism and locker room politics. Once Kenny lost favor with Tomlin, he was all done in Pittsburgh. He was going to rot on the bench and not getting off. Ever. The Russ signing just made it easier cover to get rid of Kenny, and now true to form, Russ is slowly but surely being moved out of the way for Fields.
Kenny will be learning behind Jalen Hurts, but at the very least he won't be dealing with the politics or a head coach he could no longer trust. Tomlin and Kenny's professional relationship disintegrated and there was no reason for it to continue any longer.
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Re: Kenny Pickett traded to Eagles.
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Originally Posted by
Dwinsgames
I often am in disagreement with Labs but I had to look this up since you mentioned it and find that it is impossible to disagree with IMO .....
It's very easy to disagree with it. He's just repeating the same stupid company-line crap that you guys are.
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Edman
Bullpucky.
Mason shut his mouth and "competed" and worked hard, even played well and it earned himself a trip out of town. When Mike Tomlin doesn't like you, you're out. You're confusing the Steelers of today than the Steelers of yesteryear. They don't do "competition" and "work hard and earn it". The Steelers culture now runs on favoritism and locker room politics. Once Kenny lost favor with Tomlin, he was all done in Pittsburgh. He was going to rot on the bench and not getting off. Ever. The Russ signing just made it easier cover to get rid of Kenny, and now true to form, Russ is slowly but surely being moved out of the way for Fields.
Kenny will be learning behind Jalen Hurts, but at the very least he won't be dealing with the politics or a head coach he could no longer trust. Tomlin and Kenny's professional relationship disintegrated and there was no reason for it to continue any longer.
There it is. Every word of it. :amen:
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Re: Kenny Pickett traded to Eagles.
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Originally Posted by
Edman
Bullpucky.
Mason shut his mouth and "competed" and worked hard, even played well and it earned himself a trip out of town. When Mike Tomlin doesn't like you, you're out. You're confusing the Steelers of today than the Steelers of yesteryear. They don't do "competition" and "work hard and earn it". The Steelers culture now runs on favoritism and locker room politics. Once Kenny lost favor with Tomlin, he was all done in Pittsburgh. He was going to rot on the bench and not getting off. Ever. The Russ signing just made it easier cover to get rid of Kenny, and now true to form, Russ is slowly but surely being moved out of the way for Fields.
Kenny will be learning behind Jalen Hurts, but at the very least he won't be dealing with the politics or a head coach he could no longer trust. Tomlin and Kenny's professional relationship disintegrated and there was no reason for it to continue any longer.
wtf....It was because Mason and Kenny were not good enough to be starter...not because of your stupid reason like politics....I mean c'mon
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Re: Kenny Pickett traded to Eagles.
Still cant understand how people can tell how good or bad Kenny was under the Canada system. He was starting to look better after Canada was axed and 1 1/2 games later he gets hurt and never plays again. Its very possible that things were happening behind the scenes, like political crap, that we can only guess at.
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Re: Kenny Pickett traded to Eagles.
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Originally Posted by
Edman
Bullpucky.
Mason shut his mouth and "competed" and worked hard, even played well and it earned himself a trip out of town. When Mike Tomlin doesn't like you, you're out. You're confusing the Steelers of today than the Steelers of yesteryear. They don't do "competition" and "work hard and earn it". The Steelers culture now runs on favoritism and locker room politics. Once Kenny lost favor with Tomlin, he was all done in Pittsburgh. He was going to rot on the bench and not getting off. Ever. The Russ signing just made it easier cover to get rid of Kenny, and now true to form, Russ is slowly but surely being moved out of the way for Fields.
Kenny will be learning behind Jalen Hurts, but at the very least he won't be dealing with the politics or a head coach he could no longer trust. Tomlin and Kenny's professional relationship disintegrated and there was no reason for it to continue any longer.
Mason wasn’t a good QB and proved it year after year after year over 6 years. If anything, Mason should be commending Tomlin for hanging onto him so long. [emoji38] Just like Tomlin always does, he’s too loyal. How is Kenny’s shitty attitude, that’s coming out more and more now, Tomlin’s fault?
Your imaginary scheme doesn’t really work. You may want to read up on Sirianni and Jalen Hurts. [emoji38]
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Re: Kenny Pickett traded to Eagles.
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Originally Posted by
Steeler-in-west
Still cant understand how people can tell how good or bad Kenny was under the Canada system. He was starting to look better after Canada was axed and 1 1/2 games later he gets hurt and never plays again. Its very possible that things were happening behind the scenes, like political crap, that we can only guess at.
You can’t. But you can certainly tell what Kenny’s attitude was and why he was shipped out…
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Re: Kenny Pickett traded to Eagles.
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Originally Posted by
Steeler-in-west
Still cant understand how people can tell how good or bad Kenny was under the Canada system. He was starting to look better after Canada was axed and 1 1/2 games later he gets hurt and never plays again. Its very possible that things were happening behind the scenes, like political crap, that we can only guess at.
It was still not good enough(19 points in 6 quarter against 2 terrible defense) and it was like the 5th or 6th time that Kenny was unable to finish a game in 2 seasons because of a injury, way too many... The Steelers couldn't make the same mistake they did with Canada, being too patient
He was not good enough on the field and his ceilling was not high enough.Not hard to understand
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Re: Kenny Pickett traded to Eagles.
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Originally Posted by
polamalubeast
wtf....It was because Mason and Kenny were not good enough to be starter...not because of your stupid reason like politics....I mean c'mon
Right. Some of these comments are ridiculous.
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Re: Kenny Pickett traded to Eagles.
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Originally Posted by
Edman
Bullpucky.
Mason shut his mouth and "competed" and worked hard, even played well and it earned himself a trip out of town. When Mike Tomlin doesn't like you, you're out. You're confusing the Steelers of today than the Steelers of yesteryear. They don't do "competition" and "work hard and earn it". The Steelers culture now runs on favoritism and locker room politics. Once Kenny lost favor with Tomlin, he was all done in Pittsburgh. He was going to rot on the bench and not getting off. Ever. The Russ signing just made it easier cover to get rid of Kenny, and now true to form, Russ is slowly but surely being moved out of the way for Fields.
Kenny will be learning behind Jalen Hurts, but at the very least he won't be dealing with the politics or a head coach he could no longer trust. Tomlin and Kenny's professional relationship disintegrated and there was no reason for it to continue any longer.
classic example of not letting #FACTS get in the way of your fairy tale propaganda bullshit...
lets start off by saying the Steelers openly told Mason they wanted him back
Mason clearly told the world he was interested but wanted to see what free agency offered him first
meanwhile the steelers cant sit and wait for Mason they have a team to structure and went about their business while mason chased pipe dreams ....
Mason did not like the offers he was getting ( more like not getting) wanted to revisit what the steelers had floated as a potential deal but by then the Steelers signed Russ and had Kenny still thus did not need Mason , Mason then got butt hurt and took 3x less what the steelers rumored offer was to play with Titans ......
Kenny got Butthurt and cried his way out of town and the steelers then snatched up the more talented , more proven player in Fields
but you knew all this it just didnt agree with your Hate patterns , why I bothered to post this is beyond me you will never change your mind even if the shit bit you in the face
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Re: Kenny Pickett traded to Eagles.
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Originally Posted by
polamalubeast
It was still not good enough(19 points in 6 quarter against 2 terrible defense) and it was like the 5th or 6th time that Kenny was unable to finish a game in 2 seasons because of a injury, way too many... The Steelers couldn't make the same mistake they did with Canada, being too patient
He was not good enough on the field and his ceilling was not high enough.Not hard to understand
it was really 23 points. DJ dropped a sure TD that was right on the money in that first game.
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Re: Kenny Pickett traded to Eagles.
Annually there are not enough quality starting QBs to go around. I don’t think anyone would disagree with that statement.
Then, assume Rudolph is a starting QB who was just trapped in Tomlin’s doghouse.
Ok. But then put the two together. And it doesn’t work.
If Rudolph was a starting caliber QB, one of those desperate teams that annually is left without a QB, would’ve moved heaven and earth to trade for Rudolph. But no trade offers. And he didn’t get a single outside offer last time he was a free agent.
Think about that. In a league where teams start whatever dirtballs the Raiders and NYG were playing last year. No one wanted to give Rudolph the vet minimum. No one wanted to trade a conditional draft pick to give him a shot.
The only people who think Rudolph is any good are his momma and three people here.
it is the most ridiculous thing.
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Re: Kenny Pickett traded to Eagles.
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Mojouw
Annually there are not enough quality starting QBs to go around. I don’t think anyone would disagree with that statement.
Then, assume Rudolph is a starting QB who was just trapped in Tomlin’s doghouse.
Ok. But then put the two together. And it doesn’t work.
If Rudolph was a starting caliber QB, one of those desperate teams that annually is left without a QB, would’ve moved heaven and earth to trade for Rudolph. But no trade offers. And he didn’t get a single outside offer last time he was a free agent.
Think about that. In a league where teams start whatever dirtballs the Raiders and NYG were playing last year. No one wanted to give Rudolph the vet minimum. No one wanted to trade a conditional draft pick to give him a shot.
The only people who think Rudolph is any good are his momma and three people here.
it is the most ridiculous thing.
He also would’ve been swept up in free agency last season instead of almost selling insurance or whatever he was going to be doing…
But Tomlin probably just black listed him and that’s why he didn’t get a job…
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Re: Kenny Pickett traded to Eagles.
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Mojouw
The only people who think Rudolph is any good are his momma and three people here.
Actually, even his momma isn't quite sure anymore.
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Re: Kenny Pickett traded to Eagles.
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Originally Posted by
Steeler-in-west
it was really 23 points. DJ dropped a sure TD that was right on the money in that first game.
Even if you add this TD,this is 26 points in 6 quarter,so on pace for less that 20 PPG.....Not enough and it was against 2 poor defense.....The steelers had 34 and 30 points in his first 2 starts against bengals and seahawks,this is why he stay as the starter for the rest of the year and players had more confidence in Mason that Kenny at this point...Rudolph would not been good in the long run but he was still good in those game....Better that Kenny had ever been....
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Re: Kenny Pickett traded to Eagles.
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Originally Posted by
Steeler-in-west
it was really 23 points. DJ dropped a sure TD that was right on the money in that first game.
If we’re gonna go back and change stats due to DJs drops or running backwards the statisticians will be working overtime. Next step is to figure in Pickens catches that had no business being caught.
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Re: Kenny Pickett traded to Eagles.
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Originally Posted by
polamalubeast
Even if you add this TD,this is 26 points in 6 quarter,so on pace for less that 20 PPG.....Not enough and it was against 2 poor defense.....The steelers had 34 and 30 points in his first 2 starts against bengals and seahawks,this is why he stay as the starter for the rest of the year and players had more confidence in Mason that Kenny at this point...Rudolph would not been good in the long run but he was still good in those game....Better that Kenny had ever been....
He was improving we all saw it in that short span. If you look at his stats in those 1 and a half games its comparable to MR. Except for TD’s: 3-1 in favor of MR, but thats not the reason they didnt bring back KP. I think its more of a Tomlin being on the hot seat when MT was playing panicked and stuck with MR rather than do the right thing and go back to KP when he was healthy. KP being mad and pouting just added fuel to the fire.
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Re: Kenny Pickett traded to Eagles.
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Originally Posted by
Steeler-in-west
He was improving we all saw it in that short span. If you look at his stats in those 1 and a half games its comparable to MR. Except for TD’s: 3-1 in favor of MR, but thats not the reason they didnt bring back KP. I think its more of a Tomlin being on the hot seat when MT was playing panicked and stuck with MR rather than do the right thing and go back to KP when he was healthy. KP being mad and pouting just added fuel to the fire.
They were in the playoffs race,no reason to bench the QB who was your best in that season and who had never been close to be good like Mason was vs bengals and seattle,no matter the context.Tomlin would lose the lockerroom if he would change the hot QB to a struggling QB in a playoffs race
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Re: Kenny Pickett traded to Eagles.
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Originally Posted by
polamalubeast
They were in the playoffs race,no reason to bench the QB who was your best in that season and who had never been close to be good like Mason was vs bengals and seattle,no matter the context.Tomlin would lose the lockerroom if he would change the hot QB to a struggling QB in a playoffs race
BUT if you have a franchise QB you are invested in, you go back to that QB when healthy. If the Giants were in a run and Daniel Jones was injured, they would’ve gone back to Jones. They wouldn’t have just gone with the “hot hand”. That’s not something you do…unless there was an issue of sorts with Jones…like he didn’t want to dress or something…
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Re: Kenny Pickett traded to Eagles.
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Originally Posted by
86WARD
You can’t. But you can certainly tell what Kenny’s attitude was and why he was shipped out…
You keep bringing up Kennys rotten attitude.. Show some examples please cause I can't find any.
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Originally Posted by
86WARD
BUT if you have a franchise QB you are invested in, you go back to that QB when healthy. If the Giants were in a run and Daniel Jones was injured, they would’ve gone back to Jones. They wouldn’t have just gone with the “hot hand”. That’s not something you do…unless there was an issue of sorts with Jones…like he didn’t want to dress or something…
each situation is different....If Jones was not playing well before his injury,not sure he would have his job back if the other QB had the 2 best performence during the season for your team and the team were in a must win game like the steelers were
If it had been an established QB or the QB who got injured was playing well, of course the situation would have been different.....But for a QB with over 20 starts in his career and he hadn't even had good games like Rudolph had vs Bengals and Seahawks, it made sense to stay with the hot hand
I also believe if the Steelers had more game left or if they were out of the playoffs, very possible Pickett would have had the job back at some point for the first scenario and for the 2nd scenario, he would have had the job immediately
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Re: Kenny Pickett traded to Eagles.
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Originally Posted by
polamalubeast
each situation is different....If Jones was not playing well before his injury,not sure he would have his job back if the other QB had the 2 best performence during the season for your team and the team were in a must win game like the steelers were
If it had been an established QB or the QB who got injured was playing well, of course the situation would have been different.....But for a QB with over 20 starts in his career and he hadn't even had good games like Rudolph had vs Bengals and Seahawks, it made sense to stay with the hot hand
I also believe if the Steelers had more game left or if they were out of the playoffs, very possible Pickett would have had the job back at some point for the first scenario and for the 2nd scenario, he would have had the job immediately
I don’t think those situations are different at all. But let’s take Jones out and put Levis in that spot. The Titans aren’t sticking with Willis if Levis returns and Willis is playing well.
The bottom line is: If Pickett was their guy (as Tomlin stated throughout the whole process) he would’ve started. There’s no better spot to start Kenny and see how he would handle that situation unless there were reasons not to start him…
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Originally Posted by
86WARD
Mason wasn’t a good QB and proved it year after year after year over 6 years.
How could Mason "prove" that he wasn't a good QB "year after year after year" when he wasn't given a chance to play? And don't give me this crap about how "he must not have been good or Tomlin would have played him". If there's one thing we learned since Ben retired it's that Tomlin doesn't know shit about evaluating quarterbacks. Last year when Tomlin was finally forced to give Mason another chance, Mason proved that (a) he was a much better QB than Tomlin and a lot of other people thought he was, and (b) during those "years after years after years" when Tomlin sat him on the bench it was Tomlin who wasn't doing his job right rather than Mason.
Mason proved you wrong too, 86. We all saw it with our own eyes, and all the negative things you're posting about him now aren't going to make what we saw for ourselves go away.
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Originally Posted by
86WARD
You can’t. But you can certainly tell what Kenny’s attitude was and why he was shipped out…
How can you tell what Kenny's attitude was? Were you in the locker room, were you at the practices, were you in the meetings? How do you know it wasn't Tomlin's attitude that was the problem rather than Kenny's?
