Will the Coming Season be Different Because of COVID-19?

There's certainly no reason to be concerned about large gatherings:

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70 of 92 coronavirus cases in Massachusetts linked to Biogen employees after biotech firm's Boston meeting

(CNN) — Massachusetts' coronavirus cases have more than doubled and the state's governor declared a state of emergency after employees who attended a company meeting in Boston last month tested positive for the virus.


The state announced 51 new presumptive positive casesTuesday that are awaiting confirmation by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.The surge brings the total numberof confirmed or presumptive positive cases in Massachusetts to 92.


Seventy of the cases are related to employees at Cambridge biotechnology company Biogen, state Health and Human Services Secretary Marylou Sudders said.

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/11/healt...ncy/index.html

Th media is promoting panic. They do that job well.

But that’s different than taking aggressive and drastic actions to (yes, you can Slashy) limit its spread to more people.
I don’t see any of what’s being done (and what’s yet to come) as the slightest bit of overreaction.

We’re dealing with a virus for which we have no treatments ( we have effective antivirals for the other flus), and no vaccine (we have effective vaccines for other flus).

Both will be developed in time, but we’re still dealing with a lot of unknown.
When it comes to matters concerning national public health it’s always wise to overreact towards safety.

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Originally Posted by tom444

There's certainly no reason to be concerned about large gatherings:



https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/11/healt...ncy/index.html

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Damn, what have the people at Biogen been doing?

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Originally Posted by Hawkman

Damn, what have the people at Biogen been doing?

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I guess whatever Tom Hanks and his wife have been doing:

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Tom Hanks, Rita Wilson Test Positive for Coronavirus

Alex StedmanMar 11, 2020 at 6:08pm PDT
Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson have announced that they have tested positive for COVID-19 (coronavirus), the first celebrities to go public with a diagnosis.

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Originally Posted by FrancoLambert

I don’t see any of what’s being done (and what’s yet to come) as the slightest bit of overreaction.

We’re dealing with a virus for which we have no treatments ( we have effective antivirals for the other flus), and no vaccine (we have effective vaccines for other flus).

Both will be developed in time, but we’re still dealing with a lot of unknown.
When it comes to matters concerning national public health it’s always wise to overreact towards safety.

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Exactly.

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Originally Posted by Hawkman

Damn, what have the people at Biogen been doing?

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That's a higher rate of transmission then on cruise ships!

I guess they were licking each other and all sharing one common coffee cup!

The NBA just suspended the season after tonights games.

https://www.nba.com/article/2020/03/...ollection=news

In May of 1968 my infantry company, about 80 of us, was operating Southwest of Da Nang. Late afternoon one day we got a report that an NVA regiment, 1500 soldiers, was moving in our direction. We quickly found an open area that would give us long, and wide, fields of fire. We all dug in. We had a helicopter bring out several .50 caliber machine-guns. Our battalion recon platoon was close by, so they joined us. Gunships at an LZ not too far away got ready.

Were we panicking? Of course not. We were getting ready. You folks who are poo pooing this should learn the difference between panic and preparation.

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Originally Posted by tom444

Must be more panic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1j1nISrBtc

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If you saw the statement that the WHO did about this, it literally had a section to the effect of, "We have been reluctant to classify this as a pandemic because it does not meet the criteria, but we decided to call it that anyway to force people to take action." No joke.

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Originally Posted by tom444

There's certainly no reason to be concerned about large gatherings:



https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/11/healt...ncy/index.html

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Less than 100 people out of 7 million have the flu. You have done it; I am literally trembling with fear.

Same 0.001% infection rate I mentioned before, incidentally.

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Originally Posted by steelreserve

No joke.

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That's right, it's no joke.

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Originally Posted by steelreserve

Less than 100 people out of 7 million have the flu. You have done it; I am literally trembling with fear.

Same 0.001% infection rate I mentioned before, incidentally.

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Frankly speaking, you're a moron.

Assume this is as bad as the worst case models, then this lays out what the actual measures to stop the virus need to be.

Not the current half assed attempts being rolled out here.

Also, read past the obvious anti-Trump rantings and focus on if ANY of the measures taken in Taiwan were proactively implemented here.

How Taiwan and Singapore Have Contained the Coronavirus https://slate.com/technology/2020/03...us-spread.html

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Originally Posted by Mojouw

..................... this lays out what the actual measures to stop the virus need to be.

Not the current half assed attempts being rolled out here.

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Exactly, stop fucking around America. Get the testing going, identify the hot spots, etc. etc.

Not NFL news but in the sportsworld:

NBA just announced they are suspending the season until April 1 where they will "reassess"

Rudy Gobert of the Utah Jazz tested positive for the Covid 19 virus


https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/c...-for-covid-19/

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Originally Posted by tom444

That's right, it's no joke.

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Frankly speaking, you're a moron.

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"In order to be offended by someone, first you must value their opinion." Some asshole said that once, don't remember who it was, but clearly they must have spoken to you at some point.

What are the statistics.

China, ground zero, 1.1 billion people, 120,000 and change infected. 0.01%

Italy, the hardest-hit region in Europe. People are panicking and under forced lockdown. 60 million people, just shy of 6,000 infected. 0.01%

South Korea, hardest-hit in Asia outside of China. 50+ million people, 7,700 cases or so. 0.015%, yikes.

Massachusetts, ground zero for internet panic by idiot Patriot fans, and home to one of the biggest specific incidents. 7 million people, call it 100 cases. 0.012%.

All of USA. 330 million people, 1,100 cases. Hell, let's say it gets 10 times worse, 11,000 cases. 0.003%.

Seems like there's a pattern here. Maybe a couple hundredths of a percent is as bad as it's gonna get. One or two in ten thousand. Barring something completely insane, that's not ever turning into an epidemic.

So, are the statistics a moron, is that it?

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Originally Posted by tom444

In May of 1968 my infantry company, about 80 of us, was operating Southwest of Da Nang. Late afternoon one day we got a report that an NVA regiment, 1500 soldiers, was moving in our direction. We quickly found an open area that would give us long, and wide, fields of fire. We all dug in. We had a helicopter bring out several .50 caliber machine-guns. Our battalion recon platoon was close by, so they joined us. Gunships at an LZ not too far away got ready.

Were we panicking? Of course not. We were getting ready. You folks who are poo pooing this should learn the difference between panic and preparation.

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There's a vast difference between bringing out weapons for a known enemy marching on you and buying the country out of toilet paper and masks (which does not help unless you're caring for someone who is infected) because you might get the equivalent of the seasonal flu with a 96-97 percent chance of survival. Oh, and that rate's higher if you have access to and decent quality health care, like all Americans do compared to many parts of the world.

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Originally Posted by Craic

There's a vast difference between bringing out weapons for a known enemy marching on you and buying the country out of toilet paper and masks (which does not help unless you're caring for someone who is infected) because you might get the equivalent of the seasonal flu with a 96-97 percent chance of survival. Oh, and that rate's higher if you have access to and decent quality health care, like all Americans do compared to many parts of the world.

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This has nothing to do with people buying out toilet paper. We've been over all that. People buy supermarkets out of milk when they forcast a 1/2 foot snow here in New England. That's just how people are. This is about testing, quarantining, stoping the spread, shutting down the NBA, and so forth. The latter is the equivalent of bringing out the .50s, not the former.

Look people, this isn't brain surgery. Use your heads.

https://oi172.photobucket.com/albums...psvzzqtyv7.jpg

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There's a vast difference between bringing out weapons for a known enemy marching on you and buying the country out of toilet paper and masks

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^'Zackly. There is a difference between preparation and panic. Right now, our society is engaging in an odd mix of complacency, preparation, and overreaction. They are all happening at the same time.

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Oh, and that rate's higher if you have access to and decent quality health care, like all Americans do compared to many parts of the world.

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I can't hang with you on this part, though. The quality of the health care system is irrelevant when it's overwhelmed. The important thing to remember is that *we* do not need to fear this. If you're well enough to talk about football in the off- season, you're well enough to contract this and get nothing worse than common cold symptoms.
This is not to say that we should ignore this as somebody else's problem, but rather that we should not allow fear to cloud our judgment. Just do what you've been told and you'll be fine.

SR,

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In order to be offended by someone, first you must value their opinion.

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That may have been me :D I've definitely said that here, and for all I know I might have coined the phrase. It's so obviously true that surely somebody must have said it before...

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Originally Posted by steelreserve

What are the statistics.
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China and South Korea are reporting that they have hit the inflection point, so really you can double those figures. There will be twice as many confirmed cases and deaths by the time it burns out.
Also keep in mind that the number of actual cases is grossly underreported since most people infected never got tested. The good news is this also means that the mortality from it is grossly overreported.
Also also... They and Italy have taken very extreme measures to slow the spread, measures that can't legally be taken here.


Nevertheless, we can expect roughly the same time line as them. About .02- .03% of the population confirmed cases, health care system overwhelmed, and similar social and economic dislocation. We're not more successful than these other countries, we're just earlier in the process.

All that being said... Yeah, the numbers won't wind up being very big when it's all said and done. Certainly not as bad as the seasonal flu we get every year.

This reminds me of a BBQ place near where I live. (steelreserve might know if the place, as well.)

In Flinn Springs, there is an establishment called the Grand Ole BBQ. For months, I had heard colleague after friend after acquaintance laud the amazing food at this establishment. “It’s not just the food, though; it’s the entire package: music, decor, and obviously the best BBQ ever!!!”

So, I go.

In short, to say that I was underwhelmed is being nice. It was decent food, wobbly tables, and the line for corn hole was a good 30 minutes. Furthermore, the parking lot was dirt, and the live music was a group of 40-somethings who used to be in a garage band (but now only play once per month at an open mic). One of the draws was hand-churned ice cream. Sweet!!! (literally) But, they were out of everything except vanilla.

I return to work, people inquire about my experience, and when I told them, they got offended: “What!?! You must have gone on an off night... because, that place is so good, it cures illnesses.”

My point:
I don’t get the appeal for Grand Ole BBQ... but, there must be something to it; otherwise, it makes no sense why everyone talk about how great it is.

Analogy:
I don’t get the hype for COVID-19... but, there must be something to it; otherwise, it makes no sense why everyone talk about how bad it is.

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Originally Posted by teegre

This reminds me of a BBQ place near where I live. (steelreserve might know if the place, as well.)

In Flinn Springs, there is an establishment called the Grand Ole BBQ. For months, I had heard colleague after friend after acquaintance laud the amazing food at this establishment. “It’s not just the food, though; it’s the entire package: music, decor, and obviously the best BBQ ever!!!”

So, I go.

In short, to say that I was underwhelmed is being nice. It was decent food, wobbly tables, and the line for corn hole was a good 30 minutes. Furthermore, the parking lot was dirt, and the live music was a group of 40-somethings who used to be in a garage band (but now only play once per month at an open mic). One of the draws was hand-churned ice cream. Sweet!!! (literally) But, they were out of everything except vanilla.

I return to work, people inquire about my experience, and when I told them, they got offended: “What!?! You must have gone on an off night... because, that place is so good, it cures illnesses.”

My point:
I don’t get the appeal for Grand Ole BBQ... but, there must be something to it; otherwise, it makes no sense why everyone talk about how great it is.

Analogy:
I don’t get the hype for COVID-19... but, there must be something to it; otherwise, it makes no sense why everyone talk about how bad it is.

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Must be, Cap One Headquarters here is working remotely today. “What’s in your wallet”?

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Originally Posted by tom444

In May of 1968 my infantry company, about 80 of us, was operating Southwest of Da Nang. Late afternoon one day we got a report that an NVA regiment, 1500 soldiers, was moving in our direction. We quickly found an open area that would give us long, and wide, fields of fire. We all dug in. We had a helicopter bring out several .50 caliber machine-guns. Our battalion recon platoon was close by, so they joined us. Gunships at an LZ not too far away got ready.

Were we panicking? Of course not. We were getting ready. You folks who are poo pooing this should learn the difference between panic and preparation.

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Not poo pooing it. Just see no need for the media creating hysteria over it to the point that it shuts down a booming economy. By all means, take precautions and try and be ready, but shutting down work places and dpleating stores of toilet paper is a bit of over kill.

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Originally Posted by silver & black

Not poo pooing it. Just see no need for the media creating hysteria over it to the point that it shuts down a booming economy. By all means, take precautions and try and be ready, but shutting down work places and dpleating stores of toilet paper is a bit of over kill.

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Still don’t get the toilet paper thing. Pharmacies here are getting smarter now. They’re keeping all the hand sanitizer at the counter and allowing only two per shopper. Thing is, I think the hysteria will calm down in another week. My wife’s company is going to try a one day “ remote day” next week, just to see if it could work.

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Originally Posted by Hawkman

....................They’re keeping all the hand sanitizer at the counter and allowing only two per shopper.

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Good idea.

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My wife’s company is going to try a one day “ remote day” next week, just to see if it could work.

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Another good idea.

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Originally Posted by silver & black

................ dpleating stores of toilet paper..............

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The question is, who is more fixated on toilet paper? The people who bought it all, or the people who keep complaining about it?

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Originally Posted by tom444

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The question is, who is more fixated on toilet paper? The people who bought it all, or the people who keep complaining about it?

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I suppose if you are in need of toilet paper and there is none to be had, you would be fixated on it...lol.

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Originally Posted by silver & black

I suppose if you are in need of toilet paper and there is none to be had, you would be fixated on it...lol.

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Well, there are just two of us in the house these days, and my wife likes to stock up at Costco, and she did before Covid-19 was even conceived, so if y’all need anything........:rofl2::rofl2:but we don’t ship for free.

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Originally Posted by teegre

Analogy:
I don’t get the hype for COVID-19... but, there must be something to it; otherwise, it makes no sense why everyone talk about how bad it is.

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There is a certain type of person that finds satisfaction in living from crisis to crisis; from believing that the state of things is always miserable; from indefinite dread and feeling that the world hates us. They enjoy spreading that around to anyone who will listen, because it makes them feel like they belong, and above all it makes them feel right.

This self-deprecating alarmism is not dissimilar from the traditional "end is nigh, repent sinners" set that has been around for centuries, if not millennia. But we don't listen to that anymore, so the more fashionable equivalent these days is, "Humanity sucks, America sucks," and things along those lines. But the idea is the same: Dragging others down with them gives them a source of power and security, and fills them with delight. There is a reason why, for example, many say the "climate crisis" movement has taken on the form of a religious cult, and that's because it has. Same principle at work here, same type of people. They would've been the Flagellants in the 1300s during the plague, and done just as much good.

What's amplifying this even more are 1) the relaxed standards of professional journalism that now includes activism, and 2) that intermediate formats from blogs to social media have given a public voice to all of these people like they've never had before.

Previously, the most irresponsible sensationalism in the traditional media would've been stopped by an editor who said "We don't want to look like a tabloid, it's bad for business." Now that everybody's doing it, it's ok - and since journalism already tends to attract a lot of those emotionally unstable self-deprecating types like moths to a flame, everything's like a tabloid, which is to say dangerously irresponsible.

The other side of the coin is that social media has proven, above all else, to be the ideal conduit for groupthink. The aforementioned group of questionable people now have a perfect place to band together, and once they've done that, to shout down any opposition. Belonging, security, and power through an inflated sense of self-worth are what motivates them, and this offers all three. A "crisis" like this is beyond a wet dream. That is who is driving this, and by repeating it loudly enough and often enough, it has become convincing enough to draw ordinary people in to the panic.

I remember an exercise we did in grade school, which would probably never be allowed today. The first line on the sheet said "Read through the ENTIRE set of directions to the end before you start." Then steps 2 through 8 were to do ridiculous things like dancing and jumping around and standing on their heads and shouting embarrassing nonsense. Then step 9 was to find anyone who was NOT doing that, and do whatever it took to get them to join in. Then step 10 was to turn the page over, and on the back, step 11 was "Ignore steps 1 through 10, and sit quietly at your desk - then turn this back over and don't show it to anyone. Enjoy watching everyone else making fools of themselves!"

Well, at first about a third of the class was watching the other two-thirds hop around like fools. Then before long, it was just me and one other girl. Then they convinced her to join in too. Only when I told the guy next to me, "knock it off, you FAD!" did they finally leave me alone. (This being grade school, at the time we thought "fad" was another word for a gay person.)

Of course, the exercise was not about whether you passed or failed, but simply a demonstration of the power of groupthink and peer pressure. It has proven its value more times than I can count.

“Just do what you’ve been told and you’ll be fine.”

I’ll believe this when Dr. Fauci and other infectious disease epidemiologists make that claim.

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Originally Posted by silver & black

I suppose if you are in need of toilet paper and there is none to be had, you would be fixated on it...lol.

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Bah, just do what the Romans did, and use a sponge on a stick. We got plenty of extra sponges.

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Originally Posted by silver & black

I suppose if you are in need of toilet paper and there is none to be had, you would be fixated on it...lol.

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Just checked. I have 22 rolls. Do I need more?

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Originally Posted by steelreserve

There is a certain type of person that finds satisfaction in living from crisis to crisis; from believing that the state of things is always miserable; from indefinite dread and feeling that the world hates us. They enjoy spreading that around to anyone who will listen, because it makes them feel like they belong, and above all it makes them feel right.

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Yeah, like the head of the NBA or the presidents of Harvard and MIT.

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Originally Posted by tom444

Yeah, like the head of the NBA or the presidents of Harvard and MIT.

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Those would be the people who were cajoled into following.

Once the panic reaches a critical mass, that determines what you must do as the head of a large organization, whether it is rational or not. Once the drumbeat is going and everyone else is moving in lockstep, there is more risk to you by being questioned for being the one who is not, than there is by simply going along. All you have shown is that the presidents of Harvard and MIT are also susceptible to the herd mentality, congratulations.

The NBA is the one that is different, because one of their actual players tested positive for the virus. Can't really play games that way. So they were kind of forced to do that for practical reasons.

Just wait and see how this all turns out, it will be over in a month or two and something like 20,000 or 30,000 people in the whole country will have been affected, and you will sort of quietly pretend like you weren't THAT wrong. In the meantime, I have no desire to join in with your bullshit.

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Originally Posted by steelreserve

Those would be the people who were cajoled into following.
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Yeah, the presidents of Harvard, MIT, and the head of the NBA were cajoled into following. And Trump went on TV last night because this is all bullshit. Sure pal.

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I have no desire to join in with your bullshit.

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Good, find a crowd.

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Originally Posted by tom444

Yeah, the presidents of Harvard, MIT, and the head of the NBA were cajoled into following. And Trump went on TV last night because this is all bullshit. Sure pal.

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Good, find a crowd.

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Knock it off, you fad.

Gee, I guess the NHL was cajoled also:

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Coronavirus forces NHL to suspend regular season | What’s next?

By Chris Ryan | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com


Updated 1:38 PM; Today 12:19 PM

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https://www.nj.com/devils/2020/03/co...hats-next.html

More cajoling:

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Ian Rapoport

The NFL has told all staff except for operationally critical staff to work from home until further notice beginning tomorrow — “out of an abundance of caution and with the health and safety of our communities as our foremost priority."

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The #Jets are pulling all coaches and scouts off the road for the foreseeable future, due the COVID-19 situation.


https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images...BaS_bigger.jpg


The #Giants are among the teams pulling coaches off the road for workouts and Pro Days, and several other teams are expected to do the same. Teams will be briefed by the league office in a conference call later today for guidance on how to proceed.

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Happens every flu season:

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Coronavirus: MLB expected to suspend operations, including spring training, reports say

Opening Day 2020 will also likely be delayed, according to reports

Mar 12, 2020 at 1:46 pm ET

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https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/c...g-reports-say/

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Originally Posted by tom444

Gee, I guess the NHL was cajoled also:




https://www.nj.com/devils/2020/03/co...hats-next.html

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Yes, that would be how a herd mentality works.

I know - why don't you do this. Post a link every time someone freaks out, and say "SEE! Now that THESE guys have joined in, it's clearly different from the last bunch that followed the herd! THIS one example has got to be the tipping point, checkmate loser!"

Or maybe the same exact explanation for the last one also is the explanation for this one, and the next one, and the next one, and for all of your bullshit.

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Originally Posted by steelreserve

Yes, that would be how a herd mentality works.
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Give it up moron.