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fansince'76
Not only that, but also gets lauded by Simms and Nantz for his "physical play." :rolleyes:
Simms: "Why don't more teams do this against Brown?"
Uh, because it's ILLEGAL, fuckwit.
Reffing sucks balls this season, worst ever. But, it's life; no one ever said it's fair (except liberals think it should be). Once you attain a certain level of rep, you get away with shit; Sherman has. You have to exist with the conditions and make adjustments. Being that the refs were letting Sherman get away with mugging, simply don't throw to him. I felt like every time they did they were wasting a down. It was if they were out to PROVE they weren't afraid of throwing his way. I got a better idea: Why not game plan to win, not game plan to prove anything? It was another case of our coaches being dim witted.
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http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/190185/brandon-boykin-finally-getting-a-look-in-steelers-secondary?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newslet ter&utm_campaign=pittsburgh-steelers
11 games latter, dumbass considers a change. Way to go, Tomlin. Way to put ego ahead of winning.
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Re: Steelers’ Boykin: I’d love to be playing
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Originally Posted by
Hawkman
Man aren't a lot of people here going to feel stupid if Boykin gets his big chance on outside.. and he doesn't prove to be the "Second Coming".
(I hope I'm Wrong")
You sound awfully confident defending possibly the worst starting CB in the league
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Hawkman
Man aren't a lot of people here going to feel stupid if Boykin gets his big chance on outside.. and he doesn't prove to be the "Second Coming".
(I hope I'm Wrong")
Not as stupid as sticking with Antwon Baked when he has been playing terribly and not giving Boykin a chance
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Psycho Ward 86
You sound awfully confident defending possibly the worst starting CB in the league
Pro Football Focus currently ranks Antwon Blake as the 2nd worst starting CB in the NFL behind only Brandon Browner, who has somehow managed to be even worse...
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hawaiiansteeler
Pro Football Focus currently ranks Antwon Blake as the 2nd worst starting CB in the NFL behind only Brandon Browner, who has somehow managed to be even worse...
That is the funniest thing I have heard all week. Man, we are bashing the Steelers for continuing to run Blake out there - but can you imagine being the Saints? And paying all the money in the world for Browner to be worse than a low paid waiver wire guy? That is hilarious! Combined with what they are paying Byrd and Lewis - man oh man! There is always a worse situation!
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Re: Steelers’ Boykin: I’d love to be playing
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Originally Posted by
Psycho Ward 86
You sound awfully confident defending possibly the worst starting CB in the league
There wasn't a word in there about Blake.
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Re: Steelers’ Boykin: I’d love to be playing
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Originally Posted by
Hawkman
Man aren't a lot of people here going to feel stupid if Boykin gets his big chance on outside.. and he doesn't prove to be the "Second Coming".
(I hope I'm Wrong")
What makes you think that anyone thinks that Boykin is the "Second Coming"? Certainly no one on this forum has said so.
Shouldn't the people that have supported Tomlin's decision to keep putting the same players out there game after game despite the poor results be the ones that feel stupid? If what you're doing isn't working and you have another option available, especially one that you gave up a draft pick to get, shouldn't you at least make some kind of a change? That's what people are asking for.
Continuing to do the same thing despite the poor results is what I call stupid and stubborn. Sometimes referred to as "muleheadedness".
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Hawkman
There wasn't a word in there about Blake.
you didnt have to. the only way to feel stupid about a hypothetical situation in which Boykin takes over for Blake is if he plays even worse. Not going to happen
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James C Wexell@jimwexell
CB Brandon Boykin confirmed that he "rotated in" with the ones at practice today. #Steelers.
https://mobile.twitter.com/jimwexell
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changes should happen boykin needs to see the field period
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Re: Steelers’ Boykin: I’d love to be playing
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hawaiiansteeler
We can all do our happy dance now. :lol:
Though I'll believe it when I see it. Tomlin seems to genuinely think that Blake is a legitimate corner.
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hawaiiansteeler
Is that different from other weeks? If so, I'd like to know what they have him do at practice if he's not rotating in. It would seem like he wouldn't be prepared if Tomlin's "next man up" system had to be put in place...and that would be on the coaching staff again not putting their players in a position to be successful.
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Boykin gets opportunity to help Steelers' secondary vs Colts
By JOHN PERROTTO (Associated Press)
http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/aHM...41038383085394
PITTSBURGH (AP) -- Brandon Boykin has patiently waited for the chance to show the Pittsburgh Steelers what he can do. That opportunity figures to come for the cornerback Sunday night when the Steelers host the Indianapolis Colts in a matchup of 6-5 teams.
Steelers coach Mike Tomlin said he'd likely make changes in the secondary and it appears Boykin will replace Antwan Blake in the starting lineup.
The Steelers acquired Boykin on Aug. 1 from the Philadelphia Eagles in a training-camp trade for a conditional fifth-round draft pick. However, the fourth-year veteran has been on the field for just 23 defensive plays through the first 11 games.
Boykin was the Eagles' primary nickel cornerback and had six interceptions in 2013.
''When you're in the situation I've been in, it's tough because you have to prepare every single week because you could be in at any time,'' Boykin said. ''But, I have to attack it the same way. I've never lost any confidence in myself this the entire season, so once I get out there, it will be exciting for me.''
That Boykin has played so little is a bit of surprise considering the Steelers have had problems defending the pass. However, defensive coordinator Keith Butler is not second-guessing the decision to keep Boykin on the bench.
''Because we really played decent football,'' Butler said of why changes weren't made sooner. ''You say, 'Well, you've given up all these yards and all this stuff,' but that's a combination of a lot of things.''
The tipping point came last week in a 39-30 loss at the Seattle Seahawks. Russell Wilson completed 21 of 30 passes for 345 yards and five touchdowns and consistently converted third-and-long situations.
That came on the heels of the Cleveland Browns' Johnny Manziel throwing for a career-high 372 yards in a game the Steelers won 30-9.
So Tomlin wants to see if Boykin can help solve the problem.
''He's got a good above-the-neck-game,'' Tomlin said. ''He's a detail guy. He was a highly productive guy when he came out of college. He has been a highly productive guy when given the opportunity in the NFL.''
Blake has been playing with a broken thumb and struggled in recent weeks. He had a particular rough game at Seattle.
''I am not used to missing a lot of tackles, and I have been missing tackles,'' Blake said. ''It is frustrating being known as one of the most physical corners to going out there and missing tackles.''
to read rest of article:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/boykin-...8825--nfl.html
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Tomlin talking about Boykin
''He's got a good above-the-neck-game,'' Tomlin said. ''He's a detail guy. He was a highly productive guy when he came out of college. He has been a highly productive guy when given the opportunity in the NFL.''
I can't believe that he even said that since Boykin hasn't been given the opportunity to play in Pittsburgh.
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Originally Posted by
SteelerFanInStl
Tomlin talking about Boykin
''He's got a good above-the-neck-game,'' Tomlin said. ''He's a detail guy. He was a highly productive guy when he came out of college. He has been a highly productive guy when given the opportunity in the NFL.''
I can't believe that he even said that since Boykin hasn't been given the opportunity to play in Pittsburgh.
EXACTLY!!
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Re: Steelers’ Boykin: I’d love to be playing
Boykin played 70% of the snaps last night, all of them in the slot:
Boykin 42/60
Blake 32/60
Cockrell 45/60
Gay 48/60
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He only caught one interception I can see why Tomlin kept him on the bench. I also noticed Tomlin walking around the sideline after AB ran back that punt like he was the second coming of Bill Walsh.
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Just imagine that, he did not even force a fumble!
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ALLD
He only caught one interception I can see why Tomlin kept him on the bench. I also noticed Tomlin walking around the sideline after AB ran back that punt like he was the second coming of Bill Walsh.
Lol. Puffing his chest out?
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Like he scored the TD himself.
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If Gay is out with his concussion, we really need to let Boykin try manning the outside. There's literally nothing he can do to play worse than Blake out there
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Psycho Ward 86
If Gay is out with his concussion, we really need to let Boykin try manning the outside. There's literally nothing he can do to play worse than Blake out there
who would then play the slot?
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hawaiiansteeler
who would then play the slot?
Antwon Blake unfortunately. He's played slot for us before, he's better there anyways regardless of what the coaches say and what he says (I recall him saying he's more of an outside corner. Yeah right). That seems to be the best way to mitigate pass coverage deficiencies imo. Ill pass on seeing Antwon Blake anywhere near AJ Green.
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ALLD
Like he scored the TD himself.
Lol.
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http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/...#axzz3u2SOa9qO
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Lake said Thursday, as the Steelers prepared for Sunday's key AFC North game against the Cincinnati Bengals, that he was the one who thought it was “about time” to give Boykin more playing time.
Or, in this case, any playing time at all.
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Looks like a full practice today for everyone , so I expect the same rotation as last Sunday, with maybe a little less Blake.
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tube517
It was "about time" at least 6 weeks ago.
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Just a side note: Someone should tell Mark Kaboly not to wear a "puffy vest." Not only does he look larger everytime I see him, but with that "puffy vest" on, he's eclipsing the size of Andy Reid.
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by Jim Wexell
* Back to Blake's tackling, or lack thereof. He missed a tackle on a sweep one play before he was beaten deep for a touchdown. Why this guy refuses to wrap up, after being publically embarrassed the last couple of weeks, is beyond me. He's out there because he's a tough guy. Tackle already.
* Last week, the Steelers waited until the third series to begin using Brandon Boykin and Ross Cockrell in place of Blake (and the nose tackle) in the nickel. From then on, Blake only played cornerback with the base, or on downs with offensive run personnel on the field. It seemed to work. But this week the Steelers used Blake on the first three series in the nickel, and he eventually got beat deep by A.J. Green. The Boykin-Cockrell combo wasn't used until the fourth series, with 2:23 left in the half.
* Is it about being unpredictable? Are the Steelers that worried about teams running at Boykin and Cockrell?
* Boykin at one point came up hard to make a solid tackle of Marvin Jones. It wasn't a running back, but Boykin sure didn't look soft.
* It looks like the Steelers are one cornerback shy of a full load. There's always going to be a last position in any unit overhaul, so I refuse to blast Kevin Colbert about not addressing the position in the draft. It's becoming obvious that he's done a pretty good job drafting another guy at another position, whomever that guy or position may be.
* Now, if he doesn't address the position in the next draft -- beyond another slot cornerback -- then I'll be the guy screaming on Twitter.
http://www.scout.com/nfl/steelers/st...ust-my-opinion
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• The much-discussed integration of Brandon Boykin into the cornerback corps continued Sunday. Boykin joined the regular nickel defense early on. With the Bengals facing a deficit throughout the game, he played the vast majority of the defensive snaps thereafter, far outpacing Antwon Blake.
Snap counts for CBs on Sunday
• William Gay, 48 of 58
• Ross Cockrell, 46 of 58
• Brandon Boykin, 39 of 58
• Antwon Blake, 31 of 58
http://triblive.com/sports/steelers/...#ixzz3uPDQlxb2
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hawaiiansteeler
* It looks like the Steelers are one cornerback shy of a full load. There's always going to be a last position in any unit overhaul, so I refuse to blast Kevin Colbert about not addressing the position in the draft. It's becoming obvious that he's done a pretty good job drafting another guy at another position, whomever that guy or position may be.
Re-sign Gay (and/or Boykin) for the slot.
Golson at the #2 CB spot.
R1: Su'a Cravens (or, Jayron Kearse) SS( FS), USC (Clemson)
R2: Desmond King, CB, Iowa
R3: Cameron Sutton, CB, Tennessee
SS: Cravens (or, Mitchell), Golden
FS: Mitchell (or, Kearse), Grant
CB: King
CB: Golson
NB: Gay (or, Boykin)
DB: Cockrell
DB: Sutton
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You can't depend on Golson or Grant. They are non factors and for arguments sake, rookies at best. A decent free agent needs to be signed to give some sort of stability to the CB 1 spot.
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I thought Golson was supposed to be the slot corner eventually?
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86WARD
You can't depend on Golson or Grant. They are non factors and for arguments sake, rookies at best. A decent free agent needs to be signed to give some sort of stability to the CB 1 spot.
Think about it this way: Golson > Blake
Voila! the secondary is already better in 2016. :wink02:
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tube517
I thought Golson was supposed to be the slot corner eventually?
Hmmm... using a R2 pick on a 3rd/nickel/slot CB seems expensive. I'd hope that he'd be at least the #2 CB.
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86WARD
You can't depend on Golson or Grant. They are non factors and for arguments sake, rookies at best. A decent free agent needs to be signed to give some sort of stability to the CB 1 spot.
Yeah. There is no help coming from that route.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/cornerback/
That list is basically garbage and garbage light.
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teegre
Think about it this way: Golson > Blake
Voila! the secondary is already better in 2016. :wink02:
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Hmmm... using a R2 pick on a 3rd/nickel/slot CB seems expensive. I'd hope that he'd be at least the #2 CB.
Which is why I still don't understand the Golson pick. He's smaller than Boykin and i just don't see him as ever being able to play anything but the slot.
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teegre
Think about it this way: Golson > Blake
Voila! the secondary is already better in 2016. :wink02:
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Hmmm... using a R2 pick on a 3rd/nickel/slot CB seems expensive. I'd hope that he'd be at least the #2 CB.
I think that's what they were thinking at least for his first year? :noidea:
http://steelerswire.usatoday.com/201...raft-position/
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Mojouw
Yeah I posted that list somewhere else. No one thought Brice McCain would help last season and he did. I'd rather sign a veteran that is somewhat productive and consistent than what is going on there now...
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SteelerFanInStl
Which is why I still don't understand the Golson pick. He's smaller than Boykin and i just don't see him as ever being able to play anything but the slot.
This is the debate I had (over at SF) about CB height. I've always avered that I'd rather have a shorter CB who can stick with a receivers, than a taller CB who can't cover. In other words, I'd rather give up a few inches in height, as opposed to a few yards in coverage.
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tube517
Interesting.
A few thoughts...
1. It sounds like he's being groomed to replace Gay: outside on normal downs, and moving inside on obvious passing downs.
2. Let's assume he was indeed only going to play in the slot... Was that for 2015 only?... or, a permanent thing?
3. Antwan Blake. It sounds like that was assuming that Blake could handle the outside. I think things have changed.
