Plaxico says Antonio Brown is going to be one of the most feared receivers

I hope the front office and all the scouts got this thing right . I have to agree with Zu though , my concerns were questioning the composition of the entire team . They just didn't seem to all be on the same page . I don't even want to question the motivation factors . But then again , who knows .

Maybe I'm interpreting this thread wrong? To me this thread is more or less a forum on whether or not Antonio Brown can step into the role of the number one receiver on the team? That he finished up the season on a 4 game touchdown streak and got behind the defense and caught balls for signicant gains the last two weeks of last year are strong indications to me that he can be.

That's all I'm saying.

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Originally Posted by zulater

Maybe I'm interpreting this thread wrong? .

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doubt it .....

some folks just like to stir the pot more than others and try and get you to go out on the limb more than you are perhaps willing to go at times and since they know you are one to never back down from a challenge of proving your point ( or at the very least making a solid effort to do so ) you then become easy prey for them to bait ....

just an observation

Brown did not get behind defenses last season. Id like to see the circus catches, dynamic yards after catch, and combatative ball skills from his 2nd season. Except way more.

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Originally Posted by Psycho Ward 86

Brown did not get behind defenses last season. Id like to see the circus catches, dynamic yards after catch, and combatative ball skills from his 2nd season. Except way more.

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Uh yeah he did. 60 yarder, 43 yarder last two games of the season. How's that not getting behind the defense?

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Originally Posted by zulater

Uh yeah he did. 60 yarder, 43 yarder last two games of the season. How's that not getting behind the defense?

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Uh, no he didnt.

Interesting, please find me proof that Brown logged a 43 yard catch anywhere on the planet in the last 2 games. The fact is he only had 2 completed catches of over 34 yards the entire season. Thats not getting behind the defense. Unless you want to keep pretending flagged plays count. Its really simple. Maybe youve psyched yourself into giving Brown credit for the big plays he's been making in the preseason the past 2 years. Ill give you a freebie if it makes you feel better. Antonio Brown had a whopping 3 receptions over 34 yards last season. Hooray.

Youre so caught up in your relentless love for brown that you dont realize he was underwhelming just like everybody on offense other than Heath. Maybe youre starting to realize he doesnt have a big body of work yet so you have to nitpick to make it look like he has phantom qualities (being a deep threat) that have only been displayed (kinda) 2 years ago.

Brown ranks tied at 47th in the NFL in receptions of 20+ yards. There were 55 players in the NFL that caught the same or more balls for 20+ yards than Antonio Brown. 45 wide receivers and 8 tight ends. He barely makes the list of top 10 big play tight ends if he was one. Even Heath Miller had more 20+ yard receptions than Brown. Next thing you know, youre going to be telling people Heath Miller is a deep threat. Please. Even if Antonio Brown played all 16 games he was on pace for 13 receptions of 20+ yards (And thats while generously rounding up from 12.73). That still ranks him 24th in the league. Thankfully however Brown is young, improving, and seems to have the work ethic to do it eventually on a consistent basis.

Link:http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/pl...false/count/41

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Originally Posted by Psycho Ward 86

Uh, no he didnt.

Interesting, please find me proof that Brown logged a 43 yard catch anywhere on the planet in the last 2 games. The fact is he only had 2 completed catches of over 34 yards the entire season. Thats not getting behind the defense. Unless you want to keep pretending flagged plays count. Its really simple. Maybe youve psyched yourself into giving Brown credit for the big plays he's been making in the preseason the past 2 years. Ill give you a freebie if it makes you feel better. Antonio Brown had a whopping 3 receptions over 34 yards last season. Hooray.

Youre so caught up in your relentless love for brown that you dont realize he was underwhelming just like everybody on offense other than Heath. Maybe youre starting to realize he doesnt have a big body of work yet so you have to nitpick to make it look like he has phantom qualities (being a deep threat) that have only been displayed (kinda) 2 years ago.

Brown ranks tied at 47th in the NFL in receptions of 20+ yards. There were 55 players in the NFL that caught the same or more balls for 20+ yards than Antonio Brown. 45 wide receivers and 8 tight ends. Even Heath Miller had more 20+ yard receptions than Brown. Next thing youre going to be telling me Heath Miller is a deep threat. Please. Even if Antonio Brown played all 16 games he was on pace for 13 receptions of 20+ yards (And thats while generously rounding up from 12.73). That still ranks him 24th in the league. Thankfully however Brown is young, improving, and seems to have the work ethic to do it eventually on a consistent basis.

Link:http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/pl...false/count/41

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I already supplied it. Just because it was nullified by a penalty that in no way influenced the play doesn't mean it didn't happen. When Ben threw the ball, when the defense was covering the play and when Antonio caught the ball there wasn't a soul that didn't think the play didn't matter. No one pulled up, he beat the defense and made the catch. \
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\He is capable of being the Steelers number one receiver. That's the only case I care to make. And he beat the defense on that play and made that catch which helps support that premise.

You want to be a douche and pretend it never happened, go for it. Not a a shock coming from you.

Again I think Antonio will have an excellent season, which is what this thread is about. So that play has validity in the discussion to the non douche bags among us.

As far as Antonio Brown is concerned. I like him. Call me a fan if you want. But I'm not overboard about him. I want him to succeed because he's a Steeler. That he was a 6th round draft choice and is locked up for the next few years, yeah that plays into it too.

But regardless I think objectively speaking you can make a case that Plaxico is right in the potential he sees in Brown. I think he's an impact player who will play a significant role in a resurgent Steelers offense in 2013.

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Originally Posted by steeldawg

He wont be even one of the most, hes just not that scary for a defense to gameplan for. Even hines ward for how good he was, was not a receiver that defenses feared.

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Originally Posted by Psycho Ward 86

Uh, no he didnt.

Interesting, please find me proof that Brown logged a 43 yard catch anywhere on the planet in the last 2 games. The fact is he only had 2 completed catches of over 34 yards the entire season. Thats not getting behind the defense. Unless you want to keep pretending flagged plays count. Its really simple. Maybe youve psyched yourself into giving Brown credit for the big plays he's been making in the preseason the past 2 years. Ill give you a freebie if it makes you feel better. Antonio Brown had a whopping 3 receptions over 34 yards last season. Hooray.

Youre so caught up in your relentless love for brown that you dont realize he was underwhelming just like everybody on offense other than Heath. Maybe youre starting to realize he doesnt have a big body of work yet so you have to nitpick to make it look like he has phantom qualities (being a deep threat) that have only been displayed (kinda) 2 years ago.

Brown ranks tied at 47th in the NFL in receptions of 20+ yards. There were 55 players in the NFL that caught the same or more balls for 20+ yards than Antonio Brown. 45 wide receivers and 8 tight ends. He barely makes the list of top 10 big play tight ends if he was one. Even Heath Miller had more 20+ yard receptions than Brown. Next thing you know, youre going to be telling people Heath Miller is a deep threat. Please. Even if Antonio Brown played all 16 games he was on pace for 13 receptions of 20+ yards (And thats while generously rounding up from 12.73). That still ranks him 24th in the league. Thankfully however Brown is young, improving, and seems to have the work ethic to do it eventually on a consistent basis.

Link:http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/pl...false/count/41

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http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/pl...eivingBigPlays

He's currently 5th in that category.

Looks as if your concerns were unfounded. He can get behind the defense.

I understand this team is 3-6, but wr isn't one of the problems. Our top 3 are just fine thank you, even Sanders. Not saying they're great, yes they'll drop a ball now and again, run a wrong pattern etc... (who in the league doesn't?) But overall their collective production is well "above the line." And I get that they're production is being padded by the lack of a running game, but it's also hurt by the same as in the lack of play action opportunity. So what they gain in paasing plays they lose in explosive play opportunities.

If we had a better line I think we'd see these guys are really pretty damn good.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...LUS_YARDS_EACH

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...alse&Submit=Go

A little more evidence that shows Wallace isn't missed. Ben's already equaled the number of 20+ yard pass plays from last year. And only one less 40+ yard play than all of last season.

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Originally Posted by zulater

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/pl...eivingBigPlays

He's currently 5th in that category.

Looks as if your concerns were unfounded. He can get behind the defense.

I understand this team is 3-6, but wr isn't one of the problems. Our top 3 are just fine thank you, even Sanders.

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Yeah definitely. Im happy to see antonio brown finally finding a way to be a decent deep threat on a consistent basis. But a big hell no to sanders. he's on pace for about 70 catches and 900 yards and 4 td's, but he has been an inconsistent dropsy-daisy mess. Still looks like a #3 receiver.

Although we do have to wonder if some of the big plays are due to us being forced to play catch up since we have been down bigtime in most of our games this season:

2-16 against the titans
3-24 against the bears
17-34 against the vikings
3-21 against the raiders
and pretty much the whole new england game

i certainly hope not, because he has been a pleasant surprise

We need wheaton to step up big time for next season, and show something this season as well. As a starter. I hope cotchery's current production doesnt supply false hope to the countless steeler fans on this board that believe 30-something year olds can play and be productive for a decade (and then furthermore believe "Oh yeah, we are sooo set at this position"). See--> Ike Taylor, See--> Brett Keisel, See--> Ryan Clark, See--> James Harrison, See--> James Farrior, See--> Aaron Smith, See--> Larry Foote

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Originally Posted by zulater

http://www.susieandotto.com/footinmouth.jpg

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Bet Mr. Mike Wallace cheerleader is loving his studs production this year!

Another fun fact if nobody noticed it already: Wallace's YPC has gone down in each of the last three seasons. This season, he's 1.2 yards above the career yards per catch of Wes Welker, the ultimate dink-and-dunk machine. Way to stretch the field, indeed.

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Originally Posted by bayz101

Bet Mr. Mike Wallace cheerleader is loving his studs production this year!

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If steeldawg would reply:

1. Tannehill isn't getting him the ball.

2. Wallace is running the routes and getting open.

3. Wallace is opening the field up for the other receivers.

4. The sun always gets in his eyes when he drops passes.

5. Good thing I live in South Florida where I can watch and appreciate the greatest deep threat of all time.

He has been wide open for the entire season. Tannehill overthrows him all the time. :chuckle:

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Originally Posted by tube517

He has been wide open for the entire season. Tannehill overthrows him all the time. :chuckle:

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Don't you remember? You CAN'T overthrow Wallace, Ben said so. Lol

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Originally Posted by Count Steeler

If steeldawg would reply:

1. Tannehill isn't getting him the ball.

2. Wallace is running the routes and getting open.

3. Wallace is opening the field up for the other receivers.

4. The sun always gets in his eyes when he drops passes.

5. Good thing I live in South Florida where I can watch and appreciate the greatest deep threat of all time.

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He'll be quiet until Wallace has another 100 yard game, and then disappear for the following 3 lackluster games.

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Originally Posted by Count Steeler

If steeldawg would reply:

1. Tannehill isn't getting him the ball.

2. Wallace is running the routes and getting open.

3. Wallace is opening the field up for the other receivers.

4. The sun always gets in his eyes when he drops passes.

5. Good thing I live in South Florida where I can watch and appreciate the greatest deep threat of all time.

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But can he jump? :chuckle:

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Originally Posted by Psycho Ward 86

Yeah definitely. Im happy to see antonio brown finally finding a way to be a decent deep threat on a consistent basis. But a big hell no to sanders. he's on pace for about 70 catches and 900 yards and 4 td's, but he has been an inconsistent dropsy-daisy mess. Still looks like a #3 receiver.

Although we do have to wonder if some of the big plays are due to us being forced to play catch up since we have been down bigtime in most of our games this season:

2-16 against the titans
3-24 against the bears
17-34 against the vikings
3-21 against the raiders
and pretty much the whole new england game

i certainly hope not, because he has been a pleasant surprise

We need wheaton to step up big time for next season, and show something this season as well. As a starter. I hope cotchery's current production doesnt supply false hope to the countless steeler fans on this board that believe 30-something year olds can play and be productive for a decade (and then furthermore believe "Oh yeah, we are sooo set at this position"). See--> Ike Taylor, See--> Brett Keisel, See--> Ryan Clark, See--> James Harrison, See--> James Farrior, See--> Aaron Smith, See--> Larry Foote

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I wanted them to take the pick for Sanders to New England. Sanders has not impressed me either. Only thing I'll add about Cotchery is that he is low mileage compared to the defensive players to listed. I would love to see wheaton starting over Sanders this week, with Moye getting a lot of snaps too, time to find out what we have and what we need going into the off season.

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Originally Posted by NCSteeler

I wanted them to take the pick for Sanders to New England. Sanders has not impressed me either. Only thing I'll add about Cotchery is that he is low mileage compared to the defensive players to listed. I would love to see wheaton starting over Sanders this week, with Moye getting a lot of snaps too, time to find out what we have and what we need going into the off season.

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haha yeah, if i had the hindsight of knowing we wouldve sucked this much this season i would have gladly taken the trade as well. i was under the impression we would be a contender this year. Guess not. i never liked sanders as a potential starter but just didnt see anything close to as decent behind him. At least cotchery is stepping up.
But he's 31. how long do you expect him to be productive?

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Originally Posted by Psycho Ward 86

We need wheaton to step up big time for next season, and show something this season as well. As a starter. I hope cotchery's current production doesnt supply false hope to the countless steeler fans on this board that believe 30-something year olds can play and be productive for a decade (and then furthermore believe "Oh yeah, we are sooo set at this position"). See--> Ike Taylor, See--> Brett Keisel, See--> Ryan Clark, See--> James Harrison, See--> James Farrior, See--> Aaron Smith, See--> Larry Foote

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You're oversimplifying the age factor. No one is expecting 30+ players to be productive for a "decade." Expecting cornerbacks and receivers to play a role into their mid 30's isn't unreasonable. The more physical positions, I agree with you on.

But you praised Baltimore's offseason moves. And every single free agent they signed before September was over 30 years old, so you're point is contradictory, no offense.

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Brandon Stokley, signed August 10, 37 years old.

Vontae Leach, re-signed July 29, 32 years old.

Dallas Clark, signed August 13, 34 years old.

Chris Canty, signed March 23, 31 years old.

Elvis Dumervil, signed March 24, 29 years old (sorry, I thought Dumervil was 30, but still, he signed a 5 year deal).

Daryl Smith, signed June 5, 31 years old.

Michael Huff, signed March 27, 30 years old (he was cut in October).

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Originally Posted by Psycho Ward 86

haha yeah, if i had the hindsight of knowing we wouldve sucked this much this season i would have gladly taken the trade as well. i was under the impression we would be a contender this year. Guess not. i never liked sanders as a potential starter but just didnt see anything close to as decent behind him. At least cotchery is stepping up.
But he's 31. how long do you expect him to be productive?

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They can be plenty productive if they're doing what Cotchery does, which is basically play it safe and be in the right place at the right time. Not that I think there's a hell of a lot of game-changing value in that; it's basically taking what's there when people are expecting a different play or focusing their attention elsewhere. You get one receiver like that per team if you want to still be effective. But if he's the best on the team at that role, the kind of "Hines Ward in his last couple of years before the really bad one at the end," then he could be this productive for 3 or 4 more years still. He's a background guy though, not the answer to any of our problems.

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Originally Posted by Seven

You're oversimplifying the age factor. No one is expecting 30+ players to be productive for a "decade." Expecting cornerbacks and receivers to play a role into their mid 30's isn't unreasonable. The more physical positions, I agree with you on.

But you praised Baltimore's offseason moves. And every single free agent they signed before September was over 30 years old, so you're point is contradictory, no offense.

EDIT:

Brandon Stokley, signed August 10, 37 years old.

Vontae Leach, re-signed July 29, 32 years old.

Dallas Clark, signed August 13, 34 years old.

Chris Canty, signed March 23, 31 years old.

Elvis Dumervil, signed March 24, 29 years old (sorry, I thought Dumervil was 30, but still, he signed a 5 year deal).

Daryl Smith, signed June 5, 31 years old.

Michael Huff, signed March 27, 30 years old (he was cut in October).

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Forgot Marcus Spears, signed March 15, 30 years old. He was cut in October, too.

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Originally Posted by Seven

You're oversimplifying the age factor. No one is expecting 30+ players to be productive for a "decade." Expecting cornerbacks and receivers to play a role into their mid 30's isn't unreasonable. The more physical positions, I agree with you on.

But you praised Baltimore's offseason moves. And every single free agent they signed before September was over 30 years old, so you're point is contradictory, no offense.

EDIT:

Brandon Stokley, signed August 10, 37 years old.

Vontae Leach, re-signed July 29, 32 years old.

Dallas Clark, signed August 13, 34 years old.

Chris Canty, signed March 23, 31 years old.

Elvis Dumervil, signed March 24, 29 years old (sorry, I thought Dumervil was 30, but still, he signed a 5 year deal).

Daryl Smith, signed June 5, 31 years old.

Michael Huff, signed March 27, 30 years old (he was cut in October).

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yeah i thought those guys were better than they truly were. Big overestimation on my part. Especially daryl smith, michael huff, dallas clark, and chris canty.

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Originally Posted by Psycho Ward 86

yeah i thought those guys were better than they truly were. Big overestimation on my part. Especially daryl smith, michael huff, dallas clark, and chris canty.

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You're not wrong though, we've certainly made our share of mistakes in keeping some guys on board too long, Larry Foote is the most glaring example to me at present. But at least the old, slow and expensive guys we have to deal with were already on our team. At least we didn't go out and sign a dozen of them like the Ravens did :chuckle:

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I'm glad we have a 25 year old receiver in Brown who is turning into what Plaxico predicted. He's definitely a bright spot on the roster. Just wish Sanders was a little more dynamic. I expected him to be, he has the talent, he just seems to lack something - I guess I'd have to call it focus. I agree that we need Wheaton to show something, or Moye. I have more faith in Cotchery going forward than you do, but with Sanders I'm not sure what happens there.

He won't be feared while Ben is tossing passes to Larry Fitzgerald in Arizona and Brown's catching (or trying to catch) passes from a Mark Sanchez-esque QB...

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Originally Posted by 86WARD

He won't be feared while Ben is tossing passes to Larry Fitzgerald in Arizona and Brown's catching (or trying to catch) passes from a Mark Sanchez-esque QB...

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Like how Mike Wallace isn't feared now?

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Originally Posted by Seven

Like how Mike Wallace isn't feared now?

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B-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but Ryan Tannehill is going to break Dan Marino's records. :rolleyes: