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There you go again freaking out. We lost because of a horrible back up qb that has no business being in the league. Not sure how its Tomilins fault that all three of our rb's fumbled and Botch threw 3 picks. But whatever. If it makes you guys feel better then run with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by zulater
All FOUR RBs fumbled and dont forget Sanders. And as much as I agree that Batch had no business in the league, one of those INTs goes to Wallace...Quote:
Originally Posted by 43Hitman
Watching Flacco this season, and living in Maryland believe me I see every Raven game, if he were the Steelers qb we would have lost every single road game with the possible exception of todays'. A Flacco led 2012 Steelers would end up no better than 8-8. And that's being generous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwinsgames
And somehow that's Tomlin's fault? My point still stands. And for the record I haven't been in Wallace's corner all year. The guy is overrated and not nearly worth what he is or isn't asking.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
Sanders fumbled ???Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
news to me
I must have been puking form some other screw up by someone ( who knows who the list is to long )
I had counted , Rainey 2 ( 1 out of bounds )
Mendy 2 we recovered 1
Redman 1
Dwyer 1
On NFL.com he is listed as 2 fumbles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwinsgames
on the last play of the game,I thinkQuote:
Sanders fumbled ???
news to me
Fumbles FUM LOST REC YDS
R. Mendenhall 2 1 0 0
C. Rainey 2 1 0 0
E. Sanders 2 1 0 0
J. Dwyer 1 1 0 0
I. Redman 1 1 0 0
W. Johnson 0 0 1 0
From NFL.com
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Originally Posted by Count Steeler
they are wrong , he never fumbled at all
Rainey had our last fumble
hmm they have him listed for 1 on my fantasy team stat card , I never seen it .... I still think they are wrong ( thats at nfl.com too ) they are wrong a ton
Batch was bad. But so was everyone else on offense other than Heath Miller and Emanuel Sanders. Every time Charlie or Lefty did do something right there's an effing flag!Quote:
Originally Posted by 43Hitman
And we've got 20 yards to go for the first. :frusty:
When a team goes in with their back up qb the rest of team is supposed to pick up the slack.( it's what we did in 2010) For the most part the defense has done it's part the past two games. But poor special teams play, bad penalties, dropped passes, and fumbles galore have sabatoged any chance our back up qb's have had to help us win the last two weeks!
Instead of stepping up we keep stepping into it! :poop:
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Sanders fumbled a punt return out of bounds and the Steelers retained possession.Quote:
Originally Posted by polamalubeast
2011
0 losses to losing teams
2010
0 losses to losing teams
2009 (non playoff team)
Bears 7-9
KC Chiefs 4-12
Oakland Raiders 5-11
Browns 5-11
2008
0 losses to losing teams
2007
Cardinals 8-8 (facing old OC)
Broncos 7-9
Jets 4-12
Ravens 5-11 (Ben out - resting for playoffs if I remember right).
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Notice that in 3-6 seasons (including this year), his teams did not lose to losing teams. That's a better record than Cowher and Bellicheat. So tell me again, why he's such an awful coach? Look, we're struggling this season. We have injuries up the wazzu. It happens. Relax, ride it out, and enjoy the off season. Next year we'll get back to normal. Remember the two-on one-off cycle the Steelers have been in since the late 90's.
I didn't say he was a lousy coach. I'm saying the team is playing like a poorly coached team at the moment, and it damn well needs to stop or there wont be any chance of a postseason! Even with Ben.Quote:
Originally Posted by Preacher
These guys are pro's, they know what's at stake game in and game out. Its up to them to perform at that level and for some reason everyone shit the bed today. If this was happening year after year or for long stretches in the season then I could see where the onus should fall on Tomlin and his staff. But not in this case. Not when the team is on its third QB and numerous other key players out with significant injuries.Quote:
Originally Posted by zulater
Just imagine what is waiting to come back to this team. Sean Spence, David Johnson, David DeCastro, Troy Polamalu, etc. Plus we will have another draft before next year. While this year is not a write off just yet, next year is panning out to be something special. Unless Ashley gets pregnant again. :chuckle:Quote:
Originally Posted by Preacher
I wont bank on Troy being an elite player in the future until I see him playing at an elite level again. Love the guy, but I'm not certain he'll ever be "that guy" again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Count Steeler
Fumbled at least once on a punt return - he recoveredQuote:
Originally Posted by Dwinsgames
He doesn't have to be elite to be effective. Just need that steady play and the possibility of the 1-2 splash plays. Yes, he is on the down hill side of his career, but he may have 1-2 pretty good seasons left, if he can stay healthy.Quote:
Originally Posted by zulater
Didn't say it was, but eventually, it is going to come down to coaching...Quote:
Originally Posted by 43Hitman
In other words be Will Allen! :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Count Steeler
Seriously I'm not knocking Troy, Will Allen has really stepped it up since he was put in over Mundy.
Well, then we would be able to go in to Denver and have a CHANCE of winning. Allen and Polamalu should be able to do the job.Quote:
Originally Posted by zulater
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Originally Posted by zulater
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Originally Posted by zulater
That is what I was correcting. He has more seasons without a loss to losing teams in his six years than the "Great Bill Cowher" and the "God Billicheat." So, should a great coach lose that often to inferior teams? The answer, seems to be, "Yes."
BTW - You're wrong here too. After today's game, the steelers are ranked 15th, tied with Indi and Tennessee for least penalties at 6.3 per game. They are 1/10 of a point away from being tied for 12th least penalized team. Also, remember that at least two of those penalties were absolute blown calls. That actually moves the Steelers to being tied for 12th, if not holding that position alone.Quote:
Anyway instead of calling him Momlin, I think a better nickname is Teflon Tomlin. Because nothing seems to ever stick to him.
Commit more penalties than anyone else in the league? Not Tomlin's fault.
Wait, I thought Batch was a great second QB. So let me get this right, you're now blaming Tomlin for keeping the QB that you were serenading last week as a great Steelers backup QB that just has it when it comes to leading this team, because the team "responds to him." Really? In one week you're completely reversing your argument AND blaming Tomlin now for not being prophetic?Quote:
Have inadequete depth at qb? Nothing to do with the head coach apparently.
Nope - "Tomlin the Good Coach" is the perfect fit, IMO. Unless of course, you want to ignore stats and rewrite opinions.Quote:
I wont annoy everyone and belabor the name. But Teflon Tomlin is a perfect fit in my opinion.
My post was responding to the thread title and I addressed the situation of these scenarios becoming repetitive and where blame should lie.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
This - unfortunately, I think is absolutely true. I'm not holding my breath for Troy playing at the same level either, and if he comes back to play at a reduced impact in the game, what would be better, keeping Troy and his salary, or letting Will Allen develop while he can play opposite Ryan Clark (and at a massively reduced salary).Quote:
Originally Posted by zulater
Zu is the biggest double talker on this board after a loss. Its better to just try and talk him off the cliff, because when his blood pressure gets this high, he doesn't think so well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Preacher
With diminished performance should come diminished salary. Besides, Allen is no spring chicken. He is 30. Would like to see what Golden has in some live game situations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Preacher
Why do you keep bringing up Cowher? Who gives a fuck about Cowher, he works at CBS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Preacher
And I thought Batch gave us a better chance than injury waiting to happen can't finish a game to save his life Byron Leftwich. And I said Batch has earned enough equity on and off the field as a Steeler that he shouldn't be labeled with derisive nick names from message board posters. I never claimed he was great. And besides if the field position hadn't sucked all day, and the backs hadn't fumbled away any chance at a running game, and Wallace didn't misplay a red zone opportunity into an interception, and the O-line didn't derail numersous possessions with drive killing penalty after drive killing penalty I still say he could have delivered the win.
Batch did his job as good or better today than your idol Mike Tomlin did. Mike would probably be the first one to agree with me here.
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I'm thinking fine just now.Quote:
Originally Posted by 43Hitman
As far as double talk, as information changes so does my viewpoint. If I see a cliff ahead I turn, I don't keep going along at the same clip and make no derivation to my steering. Do you?
@Dwinsgames: Sanders didn't really "fumble". He muffed a punt that went out of bounds and failed to get the ball to another Steeler on that final circus-last-second-gasp play. So TECHNICALLY, yeah he did twice.
I'm comparing apples and apples. Many think Cowher was a very good coach. He is the coach just before Tomlin. So the comparison is apt. I'm sorry if you don't see that, but it really is. So in short, that comparison, plus the comparison with the Pats* coach, proves my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by zulater
Neither did I, so what's your point? And as for injury waiting to happen - how do you figure Batch is any better when he's had three season ending injuries in the last six games he's played? (I think it was six, either that, or seven).Quote:
And I thought Batch gave us a better chance than injury waiting to happen can't finish a game to save his life Byron Leftwich. And I said Batch has earned enough equity on and off the field as a Steeler that he shouldn't be labeled with derisive nick names from message board posters.
Sure. And if ST's hadn't screwed up last week, Lefty would have delivered the win. We can play that game all day.Quote:
I never claimed he was great. And besides if the field position hadn't sucked all day, and the backs hadn't fumbled away any chance at a running game, and Wallace didn't misplay a red zone opportunity into an interception, and the O-line didn't derail numersous possessions with drive killing penalty after drive killing penalty I still say he could have delivered the win.
"Idol?" Please. Just because I'm showing the statistics that invalidate your "After the game emotions" or whatever you called it a few threads ago, doesn't mean Tomlin is my "Idol," and dang well doesn't give you the right to put words in my mouth or make assumptions about what I think.Quote:
Batch did his job as good or better today than your idol Mike Tomlin did. Mike would probably be the first one to agree with me here.
Nice try on switch arguments though.
Oh yeah, he takes the bullet for the fumblerooski bs. Oh well no one with a brain will hold that against Sanders.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seven
Of course we wont be surprised if Sanders "two fumbles" might be brought up in a thread pertaining to Mike Wallace's relative worth at some point this week. :chuckle:
Now, my wife just informed me Kate Beckinsale is on TV, so I have more important things to do for a little while. :chuckle: