That’s just your (negative) opinion that they don’t have a quarterback to replace him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edman
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That’s just your (negative) opinion that they don’t have a quarterback to replace him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edman
I would wait a bit before saying that the steelers have no QB this year...I have hope that at least one of the two will be good...One thing is for sure, I am certain Wilson and Fields will be way more productive than our QBs from last year.There was 0 hope with Pickett at this point
What does it say when a QB who "Looks Totally Lost" still played better than Wilson?Quote:
Originally Posted by hawaiiansteeler
I don’t know…two games, zero points from the starters and the play at the position has been pretty bad…almost Kenny Pickett bad…Quote:
Originally Posted by polamalubeast
This team has had a long and storied history of stepping on their dicks as far as the QB position is concerned. Bradshaw and Roethlisberger were the exceptions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edman
2 out of 4 first round Qb’s panned out for the franchise in the modern era (1969 on). Thats not too bad. But i dont think the steelers can survive a 20 year drought till the next franchise Qb comes along again. Its a Qb driven league now more than ever. Heads would roll, HC’s, GM’s maybe even a change of ownership. They need that next franchise guy pretty soon.
I don't think KP was the answer, but after watching the two we have now makes me very nervous.
Some teams (e.g., Bears) have zero exceptions. Our exceptions count for 6 Super Bowls.Quote:
Originally Posted by fansince'76
It’s already clear that the Steelers fleeced the Eagles in trade for Kenny Pickett
What a job by Omar Khan
By Jarrett Bailey Aug 18, 2024
https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co...-payton-wilson
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Originally Posted by fansince'76
Do you mean that somehow getting nothing out of Johnny Unitas and Len Dawson, and getting rid of them, and passing on Dan Marino when he fell into their laps is some kind of indicator? :chuckle:
Outside of Green Bay,almost every team had problems finding franchise QBs through the draft
Teams like Denver (even Elway wasn't with their own draft pick) Chicago and many others are much worse than the steelers historically at finding a franchise QB,despite many first round pick at this position
Very few teams have drafted or developed 2 future hof at this position, but the steelers are going to be one of those teams by the end of this decade
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Originally Posted by DesertSteel
The Chicago Bears have won 8 NFL championships in their history. Just a little reminder of how things can and do go sideways even to great organizations with the wrong leadership and some bad decisions.
if you want to go back that far dont forget trading away first rounder Morrall for an over the hill Bobby Layne. The steelers used to make dumb moves like that before Dan Rooney got involved. The Wilson trade reminds of that time periodQuote:
Originally Posted by pczach
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Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
We don't have enough information to make a determination on the Wilson trade. We will see how that worked out over the course of this season.
It says to me that we need to wait for the regular season before we go making judgements about who is the better QB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Voice of Reason
I know, i hope it works in our favor, but history shows these kinds of moves usually dont work out for the team getting the vet. Just one good year from Wilson and a deep playoff run and i’d call it a success.Quote:
Originally Posted by pczach
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Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
except there was no trade for Wilson , we sent no players to Denver , we sent no draft capital to Denver , we simply signed him to a vet minimum contract and that was it ... 1.2 million dollars or there about ... so not even close to anything else you have suggested
This will never get old.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
I like the Omar coming one as well but this is just so good.
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details may be different but end result is the same. We gave up on a young first rounder for an old vet. Although im doubting KP has a career like Morrall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwinsgames
a old first rounder actually .... or other words could be a never was never will be for a once was may still be .... remains to be seen ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
reminder Fields is a year YOUNGER than Pickett ....
Funny how when you post an article like this that there are no complaints about you posting articles. :boink:Quote:
Originally Posted by hawaiiansteeler
This was a Buddy Parker specialty. He loved to trade draft choices for vets. One year he traded away all of our first seven draft choices except for Round 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
well, I’m thinking Tomlin’s got a little Buddy Parker in himQuote:
Originally Posted by Voice of Reason
Parker historically traded most of his draft picks away.
Here is a sample of Parker's record of trading draft picks during his tenure with the Steelers: in 1958, he traded away the team's picks in the first round, the fourth round, the fifth round, the seventh round, the eighth round, and the ninth round. In 1959, Parker traded away the Steelers' picks in Rounds 1-through-7; in 1960, he trade away the picks in Rounds 2-through-6; in 1961, he traded away the No. 1 pick, and also the picks in Rounds 3-through-6; in 1962, he traded away the picks in Rounds 2-through-6; and in 1963, he traded away the picks in Rounds 1-through-7. And even though Parker was fired in 1964, he already had traded the Steelers first-round pick in the 1965 NFL Draft.
https://www.steelers.com/news/asked-...wered-april-30
Precursor to George Allen?Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
Allen used to trade picks all the time
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And just recently, the rams did this for several years (they had no first round pick from 2017 to 2023) and they were very goodQuote:
Originally Posted by tube517
If it works and you trade it for right players, great but if it doesn't work, you need a new GM and fast!
If I recall correctly, the saying was Washington was where old football players go to die.Quote:
Originally Posted by tube517
The same is true if you keep your draft picks and miss on them.Quote:
Originally Posted by polamalubeast
Yep. I saw this movie the first time sixty years ago. It didn't go well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
Artie was probably too young at the time to really understand. But Dan was there and hated it. If he were still around, it probably wouldn't be happening again.
Hey, we agree on something. Hell has frozen over. We've finally got common ground !!! :yay3:Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
It was a good trade imo.
I'm glad we have Justin Fields & Payton Wilson instead of Kenny Pickett & the 6th rounder we sent to Chicago.
As much as we trashed Neil O' Donnell and Kordell Stewart (they weren't great), they were here for a while and provided stability at the position until it was time to move on from them. The Steelers have no options this season or beyond this season. They currently say Russ is the man, but they also like Fields, who also isn't all that good. So you're left with two quarterbacks who aren't the long term solution. And we know the old adage about having two quarterbacks.Quote:
Originally Posted by fansince'76
I'll take one mediocre/bad quarterback like Pickett over having two quarterbacks who are not the answer. At least the mediocre QB will be inevitably replaced, but what do you do with two?
You might be right…but you don’t know that yet…
The same thing if you have one...We need to let the season play out first but if the QB is mediocre,who is possible and the steelers are stuck in the middle again,they will need to have a true rebuilding.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Edman
Just last season Russell Wilson started snd played 15 games. He threw for 26TDs and 8INTs, and right at 3100 yards with a qbr of 98. Imo, he may be good enough to run Art Smith's offense. His biggest knock in the Sean Payton offense was getting sacked 100 times. This run first/play action offense will cure that.
I'm not sure why he is being dismissed by so many before even seeing a game or two.
He had way too many checkdown and also too many sacks(not just last season but his entire career) and this is a concern....Maybe it was because he was not a good fit for the Sean Payton offense?...Possible but this is also possible he is a bit washed...The TD-INT ratio last year was the only good stat for Wilson.He is better that Pickett of course but this is a very low barQuote:
Originally Posted by Born2Steel
He rushed for 341 yards. His TD% was almost 6. Kenny's was 2. His completion % was higher than 8 of his previous seasons. There's more. The TD/INT ratio wasn't his only good stat.Quote:
Originally Posted by polamalubeast
True and I was wrong...But I don't want a QB who takes way too many sacks and also have a low YPA(6.8 for Wilson last year despite his high % complete pass) with that like last year...It's a bad combination and both can't happen...I can live with a high number of sacks (I think it will happen too if his YPA is at 7.5-8.0 and he is good in 3rd down...that will be the keyQuote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
Of course if we compare Wilson or Fields with Kenny,of course they will look good,but we need higher standard than that!
We do need to use a higher standard.Quote:
Originally Posted by polamalubeast
In my earlier post I was trying to say I think just by the nature of Smith's offense we will see the sack numbers go way down.
I also think play action to speed WRs snd YAC WRs is going to move safeties out of the box so he won't see that free rusher every play.
If I can find the video that breaks down Smith's passing philosophy I will post it. It always has a short, mid, and deep route that the QB can read all from one platform. Granted, I think this puts DBs into man with zone over top to prevent splash plays. But with Pickens, Jefferson, CA3, and Wilson, I love this concept.
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https://youtu.be/J-1qJlnyd7Y?si=XtoUEG7eLae_1c2c
And here it is.