Kenny Pickett traded to Eagles.

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Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west

newsflash: going from starter to backup is a demotion. The pay is irrelevant since were dealing with contracts not salaries.

question is did he deserve it. To me he didn't. But the steelers have some aging stars and want to fastrack a shot to the superbowl and a coach who doesn't have the patience to watch a young Qb grow.

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he deserved to have competition brought in. That’s what happened. He didn’t earn the right to be named starter. Rudolph actually earned the right to start wildcard game. KP would’ve had chance to start, he demoted himself. Had he not asked for trade he’d be competing for job. It’s not like he got cut. I admit bringing in Wilson sent a message , one that KP didn’t like. With MT and MR leaving they had to sign QB. Wilson for free or Tannehill for 6-10 mill is no brainer. What if they didn’t sign Wilson and drafted a QB round one? Would Kenny have cried?

Man. Some of the toughest talkers here in regards to the youngin’s being soft these days are just full of excuses for KP.

Y’all should pitch in and get him a trophy.

Bottom line is that KP didn’t produce on the field. And we can say “Yeah but” all day. It’s pointless. Until he can get an opportunity to prove otherwise, KP is one of the 3-5 worst quarterbacks with more than a handful of starts in the NFL.

In a league with no margin for error and no time to wait for results, the Steelers moved on.

Honestly, fans should be doing cartwheels that their team moved on quickly and aggressively. Just think, they could’ve doubled down a la Daniel Jones and the Giants. Or when the Phins break the bank for Tua.

Finally, if Pickett wasn’t drafted in the first round and from Pitt, most of his diehard supporters wouldn’t care. I’m actually shocked and excited that the Steelers didn’t fall into the “but we drafted him in round 1, so he must be good” trap.

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Originally Posted by Mojouw

Man. Some of the toughest talkers here in regards to the youngin’s being soft these days are just full of excuses for KP.

Y’all should pitch in and get him a trophy.

Bottom line is that KP didn’t produce on the field. And we can say “Yeah but” all day. It’s pointless. Until he can get an opportunity to prove otherwise, KP is one of the 3-5 worst quarterbacks with more than a handful of starts in the NFL.

In a league with no margin for error and no time to wait for results, the Steelers moved on.

Honestly, fans should be doing cartwheels that their team moved on quickly and aggressively. Just think, they could’ve doubled down a la Daniel Jones and the Giants. Or when the Phins break the bank for Tua.

Finally, if Pickett wasn’t drafted in the first round and from Pitt, most of his diehard supporters wouldn’t care. I’m actually shocked and excited that the Steelers didn’t fall into the “but we drafted him in round 1, so he must be good” trap.

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I would been not very happy if Kenny was again our starter in 2024 with Rudolph as backup...MY confiance would been very low....I am not sure that Wilson or Fields are the solution but at least they try other thing....And yeah,a big reason why he is gone and that he has been benched,it was his play on the field,this is hard for some to understand but this is very simple

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Originally Posted by polamalubeast

I would been not very happy if Kenny was again our starter in 2024 with Rudolph as backup...MY confiance would been very low....I am not sure that Wilson or Fields are the solution but at least they try other thing....And yeah,a big reason why he is gone and that he has been benched,it was his play on the field,this is hard for some to understand but this is very simple

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IMHO they must have felt Pickett underperformed in executing even a low performance style Canada offense . 24 starts in and they needed to see more than what he was delivering. I think Pickett should have stayed and competed for the job. If he is going to be good and has the confidence that he is,he still wins the job. As a spectator ,he seemed to be really inconsistent to me. Maybe he's one that's slow to progress in the highest tempo level of the sport. Personally,would've been pulling my hair out watching another season of what I've seen so far. I was really rooting for the kid,but it was so frustrating for me. Even a low grade Canada offense should have seen more touchdown passes than what they were getting. Just my two cents. Pros and cons from both viewpoints I think. I have to go with how the professionals on the inside handled it.

Good points. This is a business not a feelings based drum circle.

Personally, I think KP’s one good year in college was a mirage. The Steelers screwed up their pre draft evaluation.

Even with Bill Walsh as the Head Coach, Mike Holmgren as the coordinator, and Andy Reid as the position coach, I think KP is lucky to look mediocre at the NFL level. He seems wired to “hunt big plays” which is awesome. A good thing. But unfortunately for KP, he lacks the physical tools to play that way in the NFL. He plays like he’s Josh Allen or Ben but he’s light years from those guys level.

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Originally Posted by Mojouw

Good points. This is a business not a feelings based drum circle.

Personally, I think KP’s one good year in college was a mirage. The Steelers screwed up their pre draft evaluation.

Even with Bill Walsh as the Head Coach, Mike Holmgren as the coordinator, and Andy Reid as the position coach, I think KP is lucky to look mediocre at the NFL level. He seems wired to “hunt big plays” which is awesome. A good thing. But unfortunately for KP, he lacks the physical tools to play that way in the NFL. He plays like he’s Josh Allen or Ben but he’s light years from those guys level.

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Maybe prime Alex Smith is his higher ceilling?

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Originally Posted by polamalubeast

Maybe prime Alex Smith is his higher ceilling?

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That could be! He’s just got so much work to get there.

Pickett was billed as pro ready coming out of the draft. And he just still isn’t that.

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Originally Posted by Mojouw

That could be! He’s just got so much work to get there.

Pickett was billed as pro ready coming out of the draft. And he just still isn’t that.

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If he was Alex Smith he’d be the third best quarterback in Steelers history and he’d still have a job.

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Originally Posted by Mojouw

That could be! He’s just got so much work to get there.

Pickett was billed as pro ready coming out of the draft. And he just still isn’t that.

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I think that is creamy nougat center of the issue. His physical skills seemed to be as advertised - just good enough. The part of his game that was supposed to put him over the top was his football brain. Obviously, having to run Canada's offense, (if you want to call it that), made evaluation difficult. Still, you would have thought we would have seen some progress even in a crappy offensive scheme. But, in the end, time will tell as his career moves forward.

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Originally Posted by oneforthetoe

I think that is creamy nougat center of the issue. His physical skills seemed to be as advertised - just good enough. The part of his game that was supposed to put him over the top was his football brain. Obviously, having to run Canada's offense, (if you want to call it that), made evaluation difficult. Still, you would have thought we would have seen some progress even in a crappy offensive scheme. But, in the end, time will tell as his career moves forward.

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Yeah. He was billed as this hyper accurate passer with great anticipation and precise ball placement.

He was almost never any of that. I know Canada's stuff was comical and borderline criminal to run against NFL defense. But Pickett was scattershot on 5 yard crossing routes to open guys.

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Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west

newsflash: going from starter to backup is a demotion. The pay is irrelevant since were dealing with contracts not salaries.

question is did he deserve it. To me he didn't. But the steelers have some aging stars and want to fastrack a shot to the superbowl and a coach who doesn't have the patience to watch a young Qb grow.

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Nobody said he couldn’t win the starting job. He had the opportunity. He just had to go out with a positive attitude and make it happen. He balked at that idea.

As for his actual job: Every QB should be preparing to start every week so the job is in essence the same job. Same duties. He may have a different role on game days but it’s not really a demotion like you want it to be and how you are trying to portray it. Hes getting paid the same to do most of the same duties and assumed a different role at the same pay scale.

However, he was an insubordinate employee that refused to dress for a game. lol. Good riddens. He didn’t get a good evaluation while here in Pittsburgh in my opinion but maybe he didn’t deserve it. So they lost a second round pick because of his bad attitude. [emoji23]

There’s an intangible element to all this as well. One we will never know about.

I wrote it off at the time and was extremely critical of the decision to not start KP in the wildcard game.

But now, reading deep between the lines of some player comments of late; I think he lost the confidence of the other 52 players. And that’s really hard to come back from.

A fresh start might’ve been his only shot at resuming his career.

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Originally Posted by Mojouw

Good points. This is a business not a feelings based drum circle.

Personally, I think KP’s one good year in college was a mirage. The Steelers screwed up their pre draft evaluation.

Even with Bill Walsh as the Head Coach, Mike Holmgren as the coordinator, and Andy Reid as the position coach, I think KP is lucky to look mediocre at the NFL level. He seems wired to “hunt big plays” which is awesome. A good thing. But unfortunately for KP, he lacks the physical tools to play that way in the NFL. He plays like he’s Josh Allen or Ben but he’s light years from those guys level.

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I agree.

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Originally Posted by Mojouw

There’s an intangible element to all this as well. One we will never know about.

I wrote it off at the time and was extremely critical of the decision to not start KP in the wildcard game.

But now, reading deep between the lines of some player comments of late; I think he lost the confidence of the other 52 players. And that’s really hard to come back from.

A fresh start might’ve been his only shot at resuming his career.

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He says himself that he's glad to have a fresh start. He really needs to find whatever potential he has ,if he hasn't reached it already,pretty quick IMO due to the fact of his age coming out of college .

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Originally Posted by Mojouw

There’s an intangible element to all this as well. One we will never know about.

I wrote it off at the time and was extremely critical of the decision to not start KP in the wildcard game.

But now, reading deep between the lines of some player comments of late; I think he lost the confidence of the other 52 players. And that’s really hard to come back from.

A fresh start might’ve been his only shot at resuming his career.

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Tomlin would also lost the lockerroom if he would start Pickett in the wild card game!

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Originally Posted by polamalubeast

Tomlin would also lost the lockerroom if he would start Pickett in the wild card game!

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That’s a reasonable point that I’d not considered.

I think the Steelers (players and coaches) are in a difficult bind with the QB position specifically.

They can’t approach it like rebuilding team and wait around for a young QB to figure it out and grow into his full potential. But, at the same time, outside of one guy every 20 that’s how you need to do it.

They’re trying to thread an almost impossible needle here.

Wow, the Kenny-haters are having a field day. And amazingly, not one of the people who have been whining "Why are we still talking about Kenny? He's an Eagle now. Let's move on..." whenever someone defends Kenny is saying one word of complaint, and instead have contributed and joined in the bashfest. As long as what is being said is anti-Kenny instead of pro-Kenny, apparently you can't get enough Kenny-talk. You guys are the biggest bunch of bullshitters I ever saw.

What pzach said about you guys is right. You're SOOOO desperate to prove that you were "right" about Kenny, and you think that if you keep making enough negative comments about him that this will somehow prove it is so. What are you afraid of? Could it be that you want to get your licks in before Kenny proves you wrong? :boink:

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Originally Posted by Mojouw

That’s a reasonable point that I’d not considered.

I think the Steelers (players and coaches) are in a difficult bind with the QB position specifically.

They can’t approach it like rebuilding team and wait around for a young QB to figure it out and grow into his full potential. But, at the same time, outside of one guy every 20 that’s how you need to do it.

They’re trying to thread an almost impossible needle here.

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The bottom line with the playoff game is that if Kenny were the entrenched starter, the future of the position for the Steelers, he should’ve and would’ve been put in to play that spot. If Josh Allen is playing subpar, gets hurt and returns for a playoff run, Tyrod Taylor is not going to continue to start at that spot. Well Josh Allen is an established starter. Correct. The same scenario holds true for CJ Stroud and Id be willing to bet, that if a similar situation came about in Tennessee with Will Levis, Levis probably would’ve played.

Was it mismanaged? I think to a point it was. Did Kenny help himself? Not really. To strictly blame “one side” or the other is just naive and ignorant.

Point is…Kenny didn’t start that game. Whether the locker room, coaching staff, Kenny, Covid, Trump, Trumpers or Biden made the decision, Kenny didn’t start. That alone spoke volumes…

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Originally Posted by 86WARD

The bottom line with the playoff game is that if Kenny were the entrenched starter, the future of the position for the Steelers, he should’ve and would’ve been put in to play that spot. If Josh Allen is playing subpar, gets hurt and returns for a playoff run, Tyrod Taylor is not going to continue to start at that spot. Well Josh Allen is an established starter. Correct. The same scenario holds true for CJ Stroud and Id be willing to bet, that if a similar situation came about in Tennessee with Will Levis, Levis probably would’ve played.

Was it mismanaged? I think to a point it was. Did Kenny help himself? Not really. To strictly blame “one side” or the other is just naive and ignorant.

Point is…Kenny didn’t start that game. Whether the locker room, coaching staff, Kenny, Covid, Trump, Trumpers or Biden made the decision, Kenny didn’t start. That alone spoke volumes…

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All true. I think I posted at the time that, to me, it signaled that KP was as good as off the roster.

Although I figured it would be through his out right release but here we are.

For me, I’ve become convinced that the Steelers, for reasons we will likely never have spelled out to us as fans, lost faith in KP. I believe they both no longer agreed with their own pre draft evaluation and something (s) happened that made them not believe in KP as a leader.

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Originally Posted by cubanstogie

he deserved to have competition brought in. That’s what happened. He didn’t earn the right to be named starter. Rudolph actually earned the right to start wildcard game. KP would’ve had chance to start, he demoted himself. Had he not asked for trade he’d be competing for job. It’s not like he got cut. I admit bringing in Wilson sent a message , one that KP didn’t like. With MT and MR leaving they had to sign QB. Wilson for free or Tannehill for 6-10 mill is no brainer. What if they didn’t sign Wilson and drafted a QB round one? Would Kenny have cried?

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he really didnt get a chance to show what he could do after they fired Canada. One and a half games - then he got hurt. And the first game he looked good, for the first time since the previous season. Almost 300 yards passing, with completions over the middle. However if indeed he refused to dress for a game that MR was starting maybe that is reason to sour on him. Signing Wilson sent a clear message to KP. Its not like they were signing Case Kenuum, or some other career backup, so no surprise KP wanted out.

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Originally Posted by 86WARD

Nobody said he couldn’t win the starting job. He had the opportunity. He just had to go out with a positive attitude and make it happen. He balked at that idea.

As for his actual job: Every QB should be preparing to start every week so the job is in essence the same job. Same duties. He may have a different role on game days but it’s not really a demotion like you want it to be and how you are trying to portray it. Hes getting paid the same to do most of the same duties and assumed a different role at the same pay scale.

However, he was an insubordinate employee that refused to dress for a game. lol. Good riddens. He didn’t get a good evaluation while here in Pittsburgh in my opinion but maybe he didn’t deserve it. So they lost a second round pick because of his bad attitude. [emoji23]

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see above, if he did refuse to dress for a game its bad. But like i said, signing Wilson was a message to KP. Wilson didnt sign with the steelers to be a backup. Im 99 percent sure they made assurances to him he would start. And KP probably guessed this. Otherwise Wilson could've gone elsewhere, right? Could be as simple as if KP dressed as a backup Wilson doesn't get signed. We may not know the full truth until maybe Tomlin retires and puts his book out

I can see a case where they brought Wilson in cause KP refused to suit up and was being insubordinate and the players soured on him (and explains how they rallied behind MR). But arguing that it was performance driven is to me Bullshit. The guy never had a chance. He couldnt even audible out of Canada’s stupid plays. I think if were honest we should say they didnt really have enough on him to make an honest assessment. He really was a casualty of the Canada debacle. Time will tell what kind of Qb he is. There’s no way to know now.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...P/PickKe00.htm

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Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west

I can see a case where they brought Wilson in cause KP refused to suit up and was being insubordinate and the players soured on him (and explains how they rallied behind MR). But arguing that it was performance driven is to me Bullshit. The guy never had a chance. He couldnt even audible out of Canada’s stupid plays. I think if were honest we should say they didnt really have enough on him to make an honest assessment. He really was a casualty of the Canada debacle. Time will tell what kind of Qb he is. There’s no way to know now.

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A washed Roethlisberger with nothing left in the tank had 21 TD pass in 16 games in a Canada offense....Pickett was not close to his numbers in 24 start....No this is not bullshit that it was performance driven...

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Originally Posted by polamalubeast

A washed Roethlisberger with nothing left in the tank had 21 TD pass in 16 games in a Canada offense....Pickett was not close to his numbers in 24 start....No this is not bullshit that it was performance driven...

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your comparing a hall of famer with 18 years experience reading defenses to a rookie. Got it.

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Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west

your comparing a hall of famer with 18 years experience reading defenses to a rookie. Got it.

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Ben had nothing left in the tank in 2021...Nothing,still had better number....Kenny was not a rookie last year too

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Originally Posted by polamalubeast

Ben had nothing left in the tank in 2021...Nothing,still had better number....Kenny was not a rookie last year too

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Ben could still pass and read defenses, his mobility was limited. Ok KP was in his second year but he only had hapfa dozen or so games under his belt - still not comparable.

even with relatively better numbers - Ben looked pretty bad under the canada system - everybody did. That’s pretty much the point

Ben's arm was pretty much shot imo. If you can't torque an accurate deep ball on a semi consistent basis . I could be wrong on that but it seems to me that Ben underthrew alot of deep balls towards the end, plus they shortend the plays and his release times to protect him.. I could be wrong about the deep ball thing ,but it seems to me he that's how it went.You know the body had to be aching with all the years of punishment,in which they didn't flag for roughing Ben proportionate to the rest of the league.

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Originally Posted by Rocky Mtn.

Ben's arm was pretty much shot imo. If you can't torque an accurate deep ball on a semi consistent basis . I could be wrong on that but it seems to me that Ben underthrew alot of deep balls towards the end, plus they shortend the plays and his release times to protect him.. I could be wrong about the deep ball thing ,but it seems to me he that's how it went.You know the body had to be aching with all the years of punishment,in which they didn't flag for roughing Ben proportionate to the rest of the league.

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It was by far his biggest problem in 2020 and 2021....He was at below 10 yards per pass completed in the last 2 years,it was paintful to watch at time

Ben’s type of game doesn’t hold up with age like a precision and timing passer.