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see above, if he did refuse to dress for a game its bad. But like i said, signing Wilson was a message to KP. Wilson didnt sign with the steelers to be a backup. Im 99 percent sure they made assurances to him he would start. And KP probably guessed this. Otherwise Wilson could've gone elsewhere, right? Could be as simple as if KP dressed as a backup Wilson doesn't get signed. We may not know the full truth until maybe Tomlin retires and puts his book outQuote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
I can see a case where they brought Wilson in cause KP refused to suit up and was being insubordinate and the players soured on him (and explains how they rallied behind MR). But arguing that it was performance driven is to me Bullshit. The guy never had a chance. He couldnt even audible out of Canada’s stupid plays. I think if were honest we should say they didnt really have enough on him to make an honest assessment. He really was a casualty of the Canada debacle. Time will tell what kind of Qb he is. There’s no way to know now.
A washed Roethlisberger with nothing left in the tank had 21 TD pass in 16 games in a Canada offense....Pickett was not close to his numbers in 24 start....No this is not bullshit that it was performance driven...Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
your comparing a hall of famer with 18 years experience reading defenses to a rookie. Got it.Quote:
Originally Posted by polamalubeast
Ben had nothing left in the tank in 2021...Nothing,still had better number....Kenny was not a rookie last year tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
Ben could still pass and read defenses, his mobility was limited. Ok KP was in his second year but he only had hapfa dozen or so games under his belt - still not comparable.Quote:
Originally Posted by polamalubeast
even with relatively better numbers - Ben looked pretty bad under the canada system - everybody did. That’s pretty much the point
Ben's arm was pretty much shot imo. If you can't torque an accurate deep ball on a semi consistent basis . I could be wrong on that but it seems to me that Ben underthrew alot of deep balls towards the end, plus they shortend the plays and his release times to protect him.. I could be wrong about the deep ball thing ,but it seems to me he that's how it went.You know the body had to be aching with all the years of punishment,in which they didn't flag for roughing Ben proportionate to the rest of the league.
It was by far his biggest problem in 2020 and 2021....He was at below 10 yards per pass completed in the last 2 years,it was paintful to watch at timeQuote:
Originally Posted by Rocky Mtn.
Ben’s type of game doesn’t hold up with age like a precision and timing passer.
It goes for them all at some point.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
There was an NFC playoff game between Brees and Brady where the two just traded airmailing 3rd and long passes for most of the second half. It was ugly.
Brees retired weeks later.
Brady magically got better. But he’s never done anything but “stretch”.
It was painful indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by polamalubeast
When a player gets traded, released or let go in a weird way, it seems like something went sideways somewhere that rubbed Tomlin, the team or management the wrong way. Legarrette Blount, AB, Harrison, Bell, Ingram, Pickett, etc…Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
That was already proven to be the style of offense and not cpnecessarily Ben’s arm strength. Of course his arms was a little weaker because of age. Wasn’t weak to the point that it affected his game. The lack of routes run and play designs are what limited that.Quote:
Originally Posted by polamalubeast
That and Claypool quitting on routes at the freaking goal-line. Thank God he had Muth, and DJ had not started running backwards yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
It wasnt arm strength. I remember overthrown deep balls, Just seemed timing between the receivers and Ben was off. Haley wouldve been much better for Ben in those years, he wouldve cleaned up the routes, fixed the timing issue and helped Ben get the ball out quickly enough to avoid getting hit
I'm still waiting for someone to post a link to any evidence actually proving this.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
That was part of it as well. But that's guys like Claypool quitting on routes and not playing to get open and trying to catch contested balls and all of that non-sense. There was a lack in the WR coach department too IMO. But then there is the fact that Ben has always overthrown receivers at times.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
You won't, because it was a nothing burger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Voice of Reason
[QUOTE=Voice of Reason;860638]I'm still waiting for someone to post a link to any evidence actually proving this.[/QUOTEhttps://www.si.com/nfl/2024/01/02/steelers-kenny-pickett-refutes-report-refused-to-dress-seahawks-game#:~:text=Mark%20Madden%20of%20WXDX%2DFM,refuse d%20to%20back%20up%20Rudolph.
He said/They said. Choose who to believe. I'm willing to give KP the benefit of doubt here. A move like that makes no sense to me. AND, if he did do what they say he did, what does it matter now? He's moved on to the Eagles.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2024/01/02/st...20up%20Rudolph.
Try it again and see if it works this time.
Of course Kenny refutes it. What's he gonna say? "Yeah...I said it!" lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Born2Steel
There were multiple writers with the story but wouldn't write it. THey've said that much...
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In an appearance on The Fan Morning Show today, The Athletic’s Mark Kaboly intimated the same thing.
“I’m very, very highly skeptical that it was 100 percent Mike Tomlin’s decision that Kenny Pickett did not dress yesterday,” Kaboly said.
Kaboly said if he knew without question that Pickett refused to back up Rudolph, it would’ve been “on The Athletic website right now.”
“There are some things you know and some things you can write, and there are some things you know you can’t write,” he said.
So your evidence that Kenny did it is (1) Paragon of Sportswriting Integrity Mark Madden (LOL), without evidence, claimed that he did it, and (2) Mark Kaboly thought that he might have done it but admitted he wasn't sure.Quote:
Kaboly said if he knew without question that Pickett refused to back up Rudolph, it would’ve been “on The Athletic website right now.”
But hey, it's something bad about Kenny, so let's all act like those two things constitute ironclad proof that it's true. :der:
Did Tomlin ever say it wasn’t true? I don’t think he’d say it was true, but if he didn’t say it wasn’t true, I’d be inclined to think that it happened based on that, plus the fact he was moved on from so abruptly.
Like I posted earlier, KP says one thing, writers say another. No proof either way just have to decide which version you believe. I'm willing to give KP benefit of doubt if only because he made it all the way to being a 1st round pick. That rarely comes without some degree of willingness to sacrifice. I do think things were said/actions done that day that hurt KP with the locker-room. The coaches and players certainly backed Mason as the starter after that week. Whatever happened that day is probably a major factor in why KP is no longer with the team. Nothing is ever truly one-sided.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
Right. I'm not asking what Pickett or reporters said. I'm asking if Tomlin ever addressed the question.Quote:
Originally Posted by Born2Steel
I don't know the answer to that. Sounds like one of those questions that we get those wonderful Tomlinisms from. That would probably be his response. Something that says nothing but everyone laughs and we move on.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
https://steelersdepot.com/2024/01/ke...e-didnt-dress/
Which would be a non-answer. I personally think he would have said it never happened if it didn’t. At least at the time. His silence would mean nothing at this point. But when it allegedly happened, I think Tomlin would have set the record straight. Maybe he did. I just don’t know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Born2Steel
Right. There’s not reason to say it never happened if it never happened. lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
Nothing about training camp starting tomorrow? :noidea:
Frazier better grab that starting center spot and never look back.Quote:
Originally Posted by fansince'76
you mean for Kenny Pickett?Quote:
Originally Posted by fansince'76
I heard he's been looking really good so far in OTAs...:stirthepot:
I hear that Kenny is looking good.Quote:
Originally Posted by fansince'76
I hope we can continue to joke about thisQuote:
Originally Posted by hawaiiansteeler
Of course we can. Football is just a game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
Not when we loseQuote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
Lol
Your honor, I have positive proof that DesertSteel was involved in helping Tom Brady deflate those footballs. Brady never said he wasn't, so he must have done it. :willy:Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
It’s either bad attempt at humor really bad sarcasm. The fact no one but KP denied accusations of failure to dress speaks volumes. We may never know. I’m sure you’ll take Tomlins silence as poor leadership or his hatred of KP. Bottom line is he wasn’t dressed , never got starting job back and asked for trade. You give him zero accountability. Poor play, Canadas fault. MR played better, not sure who you’re blaming there. Asked for trade when real competition came, Tomlins fault he lied to KP and promised him the job. In the end it doesn’t matter if he refused to dress. He had lost his job to 3rd stringer, and management brought in competition. The professionals who saw him every day made those decisions and your boy wanted out. It’s shows his character, which is similar to refusing to dress when being demoted. Entitled comes to mind. But hey believe what you want. Dudes gone and Tomlin here for a bit. You’re in for long season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Voice of Reason
I think we might be in for a long season as well. Imagine the delightful insights and pearls of wisdom we are in store for as the ups and downs of a full season unfold. It should be educational for almost all of us.Quote:
Originally Posted by cubanstogie
Where is TeeTee. At least he was entertaining.
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I agree that TeeTee was fun!Quote:
Originally Posted by tube517
Other are just toxic