Tomlin had been in fact patient with Pickett....
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Tomlin had been in fact patient with Pickett....
Same with Canada.Quote:
Originally Posted by polamalubeast
It’s subjective. I agree most wanted him gone earlier but the fact he was let go mid season was a plus. Most thought it would be post season.Quote:
Originally Posted by steelcityboyz
This one was awful!Quote:
Originally Posted by steelcityboyz
This is still a joke he was not fired after 2022
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It was one year too lateQuote:
Originally Posted by cubanstogie
Mason > Duck regardless. At any rate the quote I was responding to was that Kenny was the worst QB that some have ever seen play. I do not believe this can be true.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
What if it's the boss who ain't cutting it?Quote:
Originally Posted by cubanstogie
That's a decision the senior management team would make, not people who shop at the store.Quote:
Originally Posted by Voice of Reason
well they fired the branch manager (Canada) but a little too late. Unfortunately the employee got the axe too (KP)Quote:
Originally Posted by Voice of Reason
Employee didn’t get the axe. He got a new role, with room to advance based on performance and same pay. He decided to whine about it and was replaced. That’s on him…Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
new role? More like probable demotionQuote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
This is not only in Pittsburgh,a QB would been benched after 13 TD pass in 24 starts...Tomlin was very patient...Not like he was with Canada but still very patient with Kenny
at this juncture in this thread alone there has been 2 pages of debate for every TD pass he threw as a Pro
well, one more page for Matakevich and it’ll equal his total solo tackles from last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dwinsgames
I recall Kenny asking to be traded and that was granted. I remember him saying that he has no hard feelings towards the Steelers and he did what he felt was the best move for him. I can't recall all this crying kicking and 'whining' certain members on here keep repeating over and over and over. :blah:Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
If true…and that’s a big if…refusing to suit up as the backup is a pretty entitled piss boy move.
At the time I dismissed it as nonsense but in hindsight( I kinda think it might’ve happened.
https://youtu.be/W3T4zvqlucwQuote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
With the same pay. That’s a new role, a demotion would also include a reduction in salary..,which is not the case in Picketts situation. He was an insubordinate employee who refused to work. [emoji23]Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
What if the senior management team ain't cutting it?Quote:
Originally Posted by lipps83
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He was demoted with no room to advance, like Mason five years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
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Source? Link?Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
That would also fall under new role . Just sayin'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
newsflash: going from starter to backup is a demotion. The pay is irrelevant since were dealing with contracts not salaries.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
question is did he deserve it. To me he didn't. But the steelers have some aging stars and want to fastrack a shot to the superbowl and a coach who doesn't have the patience to watch a young Qb grow.
he deserved to have competition brought in. That’s what happened. He didn’t earn the right to be named starter. Rudolph actually earned the right to start wildcard game. KP would’ve had chance to start, he demoted himself. Had he not asked for trade he’d be competing for job. It’s not like he got cut. I admit bringing in Wilson sent a message , one that KP didn’t like. With MT and MR leaving they had to sign QB. Wilson for free or Tannehill for 6-10 mill is no brainer. What if they didn’t sign Wilson and drafted a QB round one? Would Kenny have cried?Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
Man. Some of the toughest talkers here in regards to the youngin’s being soft these days are just full of excuses for KP.
Y’all should pitch in and get him a trophy.
Bottom line is that KP didn’t produce on the field. And we can say “Yeah but” all day. It’s pointless. Until he can get an opportunity to prove otherwise, KP is one of the 3-5 worst quarterbacks with more than a handful of starts in the NFL.
In a league with no margin for error and no time to wait for results, the Steelers moved on.
Honestly, fans should be doing cartwheels that their team moved on quickly and aggressively. Just think, they could’ve doubled down a la Daniel Jones and the Giants. Or when the Phins break the bank for Tua.
Finally, if Pickett wasn’t drafted in the first round and from Pitt, most of his diehard supporters wouldn’t care. I’m actually shocked and excited that the Steelers didn’t fall into the “but we drafted him in round 1, so he must be good” trap.
I would been not very happy if Kenny was again our starter in 2024 with Rudolph as backup...MY confiance would been very low....I am not sure that Wilson or Fields are the solution but at least they try other thing....And yeah,a big reason why he is gone and that he has been benched,it was his play on the field,this is hard for some to understand but this is very simpleQuote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
IMHO they must have felt Pickett underperformed in executing even a low performance style Canada offense . 24 starts in and they needed to see more than what he was delivering. I think Pickett should have stayed and competed for the job. If he is going to be good and has the confidence that he is,he still wins the job. As a spectator ,he seemed to be really inconsistent to me. Maybe he's one that's slow to progress in the highest tempo level of the sport. Personally,would've been pulling my hair out watching another season of what I've seen so far. I was really rooting for the kid,but it was so frustrating for me. Even a low grade Canada offense should have seen more touchdown passes than what they were getting. Just my two cents. Pros and cons from both viewpoints I think. I have to go with how the professionals on the inside handled it.Quote:
Originally Posted by polamalubeast
Good points. This is a business not a feelings based drum circle.
Personally, I think KP’s one good year in college was a mirage. The Steelers screwed up their pre draft evaluation.
Even with Bill Walsh as the Head Coach, Mike Holmgren as the coordinator, and Andy Reid as the position coach, I think KP is lucky to look mediocre at the NFL level. He seems wired to “hunt big plays” which is awesome. A good thing. But unfortunately for KP, he lacks the physical tools to play that way in the NFL. He plays like he’s Josh Allen or Ben but he’s light years from those guys level.
Maybe prime Alex Smith is his higher ceilling?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
That could be! He’s just got so much work to get there.Quote:
Originally Posted by polamalubeast
Pickett was billed as pro ready coming out of the draft. And he just still isn’t that.
If he was Alex Smith he’d be the third best quarterback in Steelers history and he’d still have a job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
I think that is creamy nougat center of the issue. His physical skills seemed to be as advertised - just good enough. The part of his game that was supposed to put him over the top was his football brain. Obviously, having to run Canada's offense, (if you want to call it that), made evaluation difficult. Still, you would have thought we would have seen some progress even in a crappy offensive scheme. But, in the end, time will tell as his career moves forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
Yeah. He was billed as this hyper accurate passer with great anticipation and precise ball placement.Quote:
Originally Posted by oneforthetoe
He was almost never any of that. I know Canada's stuff was comical and borderline criminal to run against NFL defense. But Pickett was scattershot on 5 yard crossing routes to open guys.
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Nobody said he couldn’t win the starting job. He had the opportunity. He just had to go out with a positive attitude and make it happen. He balked at that idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
As for his actual job: Every QB should be preparing to start every week so the job is in essence the same job. Same duties. He may have a different role on game days but it’s not really a demotion like you want it to be and how you are trying to portray it. Hes getting paid the same to do most of the same duties and assumed a different role at the same pay scale.
However, he was an insubordinate employee that refused to dress for a game. lol. Good riddens. He didn’t get a good evaluation while here in Pittsburgh in my opinion but maybe he didn’t deserve it. So they lost a second round pick because of his bad attitude. [emoji23]
There’s an intangible element to all this as well. One we will never know about.
I wrote it off at the time and was extremely critical of the decision to not start KP in the wildcard game.
But now, reading deep between the lines of some player comments of late; I think he lost the confidence of the other 52 players. And that’s really hard to come back from.
A fresh start might’ve been his only shot at resuming his career.
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
He says himself that he's glad to have a fresh start. He really needs to find whatever potential he has ,if he hasn't reached it already,pretty quick IMO due to the fact of his age coming out of college .Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
Tomlin would also lost the lockerroom if he would start Pickett in the wild card game!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
That’s a reasonable point that I’d not considered.Quote:
Originally Posted by polamalubeast
I think the Steelers (players and coaches) are in a difficult bind with the QB position specifically.
They can’t approach it like rebuilding team and wait around for a young QB to figure it out and grow into his full potential. But, at the same time, outside of one guy every 20 that’s how you need to do it.
They’re trying to thread an almost impossible needle here.
Wow, the Kenny-haters are having a field day. And amazingly, not one of the people who have been whining "Why are we still talking about Kenny? He's an Eagle now. Let's move on..." whenever someone defends Kenny is saying one word of complaint, and instead have contributed and joined in the bashfest. As long as what is being said is anti-Kenny instead of pro-Kenny, apparently you can't get enough Kenny-talk. You guys are the biggest bunch of bullshitters I ever saw.
What pzach said about you guys is right. You're SOOOO desperate to prove that you were "right" about Kenny, and you think that if you keep making enough negative comments about him that this will somehow prove it is so. What are you afraid of? Could it be that you want to get your licks in before Kenny proves you wrong? :boink:
The bottom line with the playoff game is that if Kenny were the entrenched starter, the future of the position for the Steelers, he should’ve and would’ve been put in to play that spot. If Josh Allen is playing subpar, gets hurt and returns for a playoff run, Tyrod Taylor is not going to continue to start at that spot. Well Josh Allen is an established starter. Correct. The same scenario holds true for CJ Stroud and Id be willing to bet, that if a similar situation came about in Tennessee with Will Levis, Levis probably would’ve played.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
Was it mismanaged? I think to a point it was. Did Kenny help himself? Not really. To strictly blame “one side” or the other is just naive and ignorant.
Point is…Kenny didn’t start that game. Whether the locker room, coaching staff, Kenny, Covid, Trump, Trumpers or Biden made the decision, Kenny didn’t start. That alone spoke volumes…
All true. I think I posted at the time that, to me, it signaled that KP was as good as off the roster.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
Although I figured it would be through his out right release but here we are.
For me, I’ve become convinced that the Steelers, for reasons we will likely never have spelled out to us as fans, lost faith in KP. I believe they both no longer agreed with their own pre draft evaluation and something (s) happened that made them not believe in KP as a leader.
he really didnt get a chance to show what he could do after they fired Canada. One and a half games - then he got hurt. And the first game he looked good, for the first time since the previous season. Almost 300 yards passing, with completions over the middle. However if indeed he refused to dress for a game that MR was starting maybe that is reason to sour on him. Signing Wilson sent a clear message to KP. Its not like they were signing Case Kenuum, or some other career backup, so no surprise KP wanted out.Quote:
Originally Posted by cubanstogie