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24. Creed Humphrey OC Oklahoma
55. Jevon Holland Safety Oregon
87. Kenneth Gainwell RB Memphis
128. Patrick Johnson OLB Tulane
140. Tony Fields LB W. Virginia
216. Cole Van Lanen OT Wisconsin
245. Jaelon Darden Slot WR N. Texas
254. Luke Farrell TE OSU
I continue to trade down and get additional picks in these mocks. I know the team never does, but damn! What a haul that can be had.
44: R2 P12 RB Najee Harris - Alabama
50: R2 P18 TE Pat Freiermuth - Penn State
55: R2 P23 CB Shaun Wade - Ohio State
75: R3 P11 C Trey Hill - Georgia
92: R3 P28 DL Alim McNeill - NC State
128: R4 P23 S Jamien Sherwood - Auburn
135: R4 P30 LB Baron Browning - Ohio State
140: R4 P35 OT Dillon Radunz - North Dakota State
145: R5 P1 EDGE Patrick Johnson - Tulane
245: R7 P17 WR Jalen Virgil - Appalachian State
24: R1 P24 LB Micah Parsons - Penn State
55: R2 P23 RB Javonte Williams - North Carolina
87: R3 P23 C Josh Myers - Ohio State
128: R4 P23 TE Hunter Long - Boston College
140: R4 P35 G Tommy Kraemer - Notre Dame
216: R6 P32 DL Khyiris Tonga - BYU
245: R7 P17 WR Cornell Powell - Clemson
254: R7 P26 WR Dax Milne - BYU
Fantastic :nod:,,Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoes
My question would be about Parsons. Would the Steelers roll the dice on a guy who was accused of sexual misconduct? At pick 24, talent-wise he’s a steal, but it’s a little “out of character” for the Steelers.
I can definitely see the draft shaping up like this, with an ILB at 24... although it might be Zaven Collins or JOK (the Steelers have shown a LOT of interest in both).
Williams is a steal at 55. So is Myers at 87. And, well, so is Long in R4. :lol: I like the Tonga pick; the Steelers seem to do well drafting Day 3 guys from BYU. Might one of those WRs be a punter (no joke) or a corner?
Collins is a player that can be moved around at ILB and OLB just like Watt and Highsmith. JOK is a player that can move from ILB and DB. I would love either.Quote:
Originally Posted by teegre
Indeed :nod: One is the physical freak at 260 and the other is the speedy hybrid linebacker that we’ve been looking for (for a decade). Either way, you’re getting a freak.Quote:
Originally Posted by Born2Steel
I don't know the history of Parsons. But with the Steelers it all depends who it is. They kept Arrow head for trying to shoot down a police helicopter. Dan Rooney was ok with James Harrison knocking down his girlfriends door and slapping her around because James said he was taking his son to get baptised. And they rolled the dice on Ben, twice. Look how long they put up with AB. There isn't anything Holy about the Steeler organisation. I do get what you are saying though and I wouldn't draft the guy if there were clearly unanswered questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by teegre
Any of those guys carrying that baggage on draft day though?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoes
Maybe not, does that matter? Why I am saying is if you have a high standard before the draft, that same standard should be held equal to every player after the draft. People somehow think the Steelers are super special but they are in business to make money, just like the others. They grant favour to those who can benefit them and boot the others who are "less worthy" when issues arise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Born2Steel
With his 40 time, I still say Parsons is long gone. The Steelers aren't the only team that will chance on character issues
I'm sure he will be gone, those draft sims go a bit crazy sometimes. :chuckle:Quote:
Originally Posted by st33lersguy
You make some good points. That said, those guys were already on the team (and the Steelers stuck by them/rationalized a reason to keep them)... as opposed to a guy they’re looking at adding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoes
Sure they did, and their reason was cash, just like 31 other business teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by teegre
Haskins had locker room problems that caused him to be released and the Steelers added himQuote:
Originally Posted by teegre
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Originally Posted by Shoes
A few years ago, I thought there was no way T J Watt would be there when they picked.
A few years before that, I never dreamed David DeCastro would last to the Steelers pick.
Strange things happen in real time drafting.
You never know.
It’s like owning a house versus buying a house.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoes
In my current house, if the shower basin cracks and the floor around it has become soaked, I have to fix it... and unless there’s a major underlying problem, I’m probably not selling.
But, if I’m looking at a new house, I’m not going to deal with that kind of repair.
(Make sense?)
Apples and oranges.Quote:
Originally Posted by st33lersguy
Haskins refused to learn the playbook. He was polite and friendly... not really a distraction; he just no longer seemed to enjoy football. Honestly, it was truly an odd (and unique) situation.
Parsons was sexually hazing younger teammates (holding a knife to their throats while putting his penis into their buttcracks). Allegedly.
Sure it makes sense. But we are not talking about fixing a house. We are talking about this perceived higher standard that many think the Steelers have. Like the Standard is the Standard, except when it isn't. But I digress since I've gotten this thread off track. :chuckle:Quote:
Originally Posted by teegre
24: R1 P24 RB Travis Etienne - Clemson
55: R2 P23 C Landon Dickerson - Alabama
87: R3 P23 TE Hunter Long - Boston College
128: R4 P23 LB Pete Werner - Ohio State
140: R4 P35 DL Darius Stills - West Virginia
216: R6 P32 S Tariq Thompson - San Diego State
245: R7 P17 WR Cornell Powell - Clemson
254: R7 P26 P Max Duffy - Kentucky
24. Zaven Collins ILB/OLB Tulsa
55. Dillon Radunz OT NDSU
87. Kenneth Gainwell RB/WR Memphis
128. Nick Eubanks TE Michigan
140. Patrick Johnson OLB Tulane
216. Marco Wilson CB Florida
245. Tommy Kraemer OG ND
254. Isaiah McKoy WR Kent State
LOL! I think I need to tone down the small school prospects a little bit......:mod:
Next try:
24. Creed Humphrey OC Oklahoma
55. Baron Browning ILB OSU
87. Jackson Carman RT Clemson
128. Khalil Herbert RB VaTech
140. Nick Eubanks TE Michigan
216. Marco Wilson CB Florida
245. Tommy Kraemer OG ND
254. Luke Farrell TE OSU
Should maybe get a WR in there someplace....
24: R1 P24 QB Mac Jones - Alabama
55: R2 P23 C Landon Dickerson - Alabama
87: R3 P23 RB Michael Carter - North Carolina
128: R4 P23 OT Walker Little - Stanford
140: R4 P35 TE Tommy Tremble - Notre Dame
216: R6 P32 EDGE Adetokunbo Ogundeji - Notre Dame
245: R7 P17 WR Cornell Powell - Clemson
254: R7 P26 WR Dax Milne - BYU
I’ve been hearing a lot of news that Mac Jones could be the 49ers pick...Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoes
I keep hearing this too, but do you give up 3 1st round picks and a 3rd for Mac Jones. Maybe I under value Jones, but in my mind, you don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
I would not and I don’t think there’s much difference between Jones and Garrapolo. Maybe it works if they turn Garrapolo into those picks they lost but What’s the likelihood that they get that in return for him?Quote:
Originally Posted by Texasteel
24 - Teven Jenkins T
55 - Javonte Williams HB
87 - Jamin Davis LB
128 - Tommy Tremble TE
140 - Bobby Brown III DL
216 - Michal Menet C
245 - Tristen Hoge G
254 - Deommodore Lenoir CB
Yep ... kind of odd.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
What I find interesting is that Jones ran more RPO plays than Justin Fields... but, Fields is the "run-first" prospect. Likewise. Jones and Trey Lance started the same number of games... yet, Lance is "inexperienced".
RPO doesnt mean the QB is running the football, I think you probably know that? Fields isnt really run first prospect from what I hear and saw. Fields does a good job of sliding in the pocket, but will run the ball and they do have some designed run plays for his size and speed at Ohio State.Quote:
Originally Posted by teegre
Casserly did an informal poll of teams and 23 responded to him. Of those, 6 teams apparently had Mac Jones as the #3 QB on their board.
Interesting question this am on NFL network was....does AJ McCarron have similar success in that Bama offense with the talent that Mac Jones had around him last year?? He probably does.
1. Najee Harris, RB, Alabama
2. Landon Dickerson, C, Alabama
3. Cameron McGrone, ILB, Michigan
4. James Hudson, OT, Cincinnati
4. Daelin Hayes, OLB, Notre Dame
6. Kenny Yeboah, TE, Ole Miss
7. Avery Williams, CB, Boise State
7. Pressley Harvin, P, Georgia Tech
RD 1 Creed Humphrey OC Oklahoma
RD 2 Spencer Brown OT Northern Iowa
RD 3 Trey Sermon RB Ohio State
Rd 4a Ambry Thomas CB Michigan
RD 4b Daelin Hayes EDGE Notre Dame
RD 6 Briley Moore TE Kansas State
RD 7a Dez Fitzpatrick WR Louisville
RD7b Christian Uphoff S Illinois State
I gotta believe that the front office is more willing to draft a lineman on a 10 year investment...rather than a RB on a 4 year deal. A team will always...ALWAYS... have a better running game with a Great Line/Good RB, than they will have with a Average Line/Great RB.
Teams aren't talking about the off the charts RAS of Humphrey and Brown....both are purposefully underrated right now.
Brown has shown that he no only understands the game cerebrally....but he scored higher on the RAS than any of the 1,134 OT prospects since 1987.
Humphrey has not allowed a sack in TWO freaking years!!!! The only knock on him was that some pundits said he wasn't athletic enough...but then he turned around and scored a perfect 10 on the RAS...doing some of the splits quicker than the RB's.
Solid draft IMO with the first 5 picks.:thumbsup: Something tells me that Brown wont last until the Steelers 3rd pick, so some will say its a reach, but I like him and think would be a great add. Hayes is a guy I have mentioned a few times as well and he could be great OLB depth and locker room guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by LLT
Briley Moore is a bit of an unknown. Better receiver than blocker and more of an H back size than TE frame. If a move TE is what they want, who knows. I still prefer Noah Gray or John Bates later, but they are more the Matt Spaeth, Jerame Tuman model of player.
I think Moore is a better blocker downfield...but still shows some effort as a run blocker. But you are right...I think he has added 10 pounds and is up to 250 right now...but could still add a bit of muscle to anchor down.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson
Yeah, Moore is an former WR turned TE, while Bates is a former Basketball and Track athlete in Highschool that turned TE.Quote:
Originally Posted by LLT
Moore fits that "move TE" profile and needs to add size to be a better blocker, while Bates I think is a solid blocker that doesnt have speed to stretch the field down the seams, but has that basketball quickness and hands to get in and out of breaks and get open. I still hope to see D line addressed in this draft, but we will see later this week. Cheers.
Final Mock.
1. Najee Harris, RB, Alabama
2. Eric Stokes, CB, Georgia
3. Robert Hainsey, C, Notre Dame
4. James Hudson, OT, Cincinnati
4. Daelin Hayes, OLB, Notre Dame
6. Luke Farrell, TE, Ohio State
7. Avery Williams, CB, Boise State
7. Pressley Harvin iii, P, Georgia Tech
UDFA signings.
Justin Hilliad, ILB, Ohio State
Ben Skowronek, WR, Notre Dame
Eli Howard, DT, Texas Tech
Paris Ford, S, Pittsburgh
Forrest Merrill, NT, Arkansas State
William Bradley-King, OLB, Baylor
Brandon Kennedy, C, Tennessee
Some of my late night draft thoughts.
1: I think Najee and Etienne are very close on the draft board for the Steelers, likely 1A/1B. Najee likely has the edge with his Le'Veon like abilities but ETN is a flat out home run threat. Colbert has used the word "dynamic". Najee can fit that description but a game breaker like ETN brings another element to the backfield they have not had since Willie Parker. Canada I expect will have an opinion on this.
2: Good chance Landon Dickerson is the pick in round 2 if available, of course depending on the medicals. If not, Robert Hainsey is a interesting prospect. Played right tackle at Notre Dame but will need to kick inside for the NFL. During the Senior Bowl Hainsey played at guard and center and looked like a natural, speaks on his football IQ. Pittsburgh native, spoke with Colbert at his pro day/OL coach Klemm also present, he could be the center target.
3. Tomlin and Colbert were at Georgia and FSU pro days. interesting corner prospects at both schools, I think they take one before day 3.
4. I won't be surprise if the Steelers trade for another pick via a future draft pick, maybe in round 4. Could target a tight end like Tremble, a receiver like Anthony Schwartz, or a ILB like Dylan Moses or Derrick Barnes.
5. Deep tackle class, I think they wait until round 3, likely round 4 to draft one. They drafted Okorafor to be the potential future left tackle once AV aged, well the time has come for the 23 year old tackle. Banner is likely to be just a "stop-gap" at right tackle until the rookie is ready.
6. I sure wish the edge class was better, though I'm a big fan of Azeez Ojulari from Georgia. Ojulari may be a unlikely but possible dark horse defensive pick in round 1 if available. Fits the mold of a Steelers edge rusher. Watt and Ojulari rushing QB's... *chef's kiss*
I like 5 of the first 6 guys on this list. Would still be a good draft IMO if this happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackAndGold
James Hudson to me is a bit of a gamble that I dont know the Steelers can afford to miss on an OT at this point, with so few under contract for only the next year or 2. Hudson was a D lineman in high school that was redshirted and converted to RT at Michigan and eventually transferred to Cincinnati where he only played the 1 season at RT. Also reportedly suffered some time with depression, leading up to his transfer. Good athlete, but not really experienced OT who could turn out to be a long time RT, or wash out in 3 years.
I would rather have Jackson Carman-Clemson or Adrian Ealy-Oklahoma, if drafting a RT that late.
Hainsey I really like. He was the 3rd most talked about ND O lineman behind Eichenberg and Aaron Banks, but at the Senior Bowl all he did was come in and impress with his play and compete level at both G and C.