Kavanaugh Confirmed...

I guess someone had to be the adult in the room. :noidea:

Thats the problem they were unsubstantiated allegations and any witness's she identified had no memory of such a thing ever happening/no proof at all as far as i know. Maybe something happened to her and maybe she identified the wrong guy. Obviously her memory isn't that great if you can't remember how you got there or even how you got home. To many holes in her story.
And the guilty until proven innocent the left was running with is what pissed people off and Democrats wanted to go as far as having an fbi investigation into the puking and farting of a teenager. Really??? That's the shit people are tired of.

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if the Dems were just going to go off the deep end no matter what, how do you explain Justice Gorsuch? His nomination and confirmation went off without a hitch - or at least as smoothly as the toxic environment in American politics can allow for.

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The difference is Gorsuch was replacing a conservative Justice, while Kavanaugh was replacing a moderate one. Gorsuch didn't tip the balance.

Remember, the left went into full "repel boarders" mode before Trump had even selected a nominee. "We will do everything in our power to stop (insert nominee here)". That didn't happen with Gorsuch. Plus, it's midterm season now.

Best,
-Slashy

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The difference is Gorsuch was replacing a conservative Justice, while Kavanaugh was replacing a moderate one. Gorsuch didn't tip the balance.

Remember, the left went into full "repel boarders" mode before Trump had even selected a nominee. "We will do everything in our power to stop (insert nominee here)". That didn't happen with Gorsuch. Plus, it's midterm season now.

Best,
-Slashy

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Kinda like when McConnell obstructed a nominee for how long? And bragged about how it's his proudest moment in life?

These dudes are all self serving frauds beholden to the donor class.

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Kinda like when McConnell obstructed a nominee for how long? And bragged about how it's his proudest moment in life?

These dudes are all self serving frauds beholden to the donor class.

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That was then - this is now

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) — who blocked President Barack Obama’s 2016 nominee to the Supreme Court for nearly a year amid widespread Democratic objections — signaled Monday that he would help fill a high-court vacancy if one emerges when President Trump is up for re*election in 2020.

Speaking at a news conference in Louisville, McConnell said his decision to block Obama’s nominee, Judge Merrick Garland, was based on a tradition that opposition parties in control of the Senate do not confirm Supreme Court nominees during presidential election years. He claimed the precedent only applies when different parties control the Senate and the White House.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/power...=.e5a61dae4106

If anyone else remembers Calvin & Hobbes, this sums it up for me

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DpB1AZbU4AAH-2I.jpg

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Kinda like when McConnell obstructed a nominee for how long? And bragged about how it's his proudest moment in life?

These dudes are all self serving frauds beholden to the donor class.

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Difference being they didn't turn it into a kangaroo court with allegations of sexual assault and crazed protesters. They merely refused to take up the issue.

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Difference being they didn't turn it into a kangaroo court with allegations of sexual assault and crazed protesters. They merely refused to take up the issue.

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According to the President the "crazed protesters" were just contractors :coffee:

Serious question - do you think the President believes this or is just tweeting something he knows not to be true to energize the base?

She accused him of assaulting her before he was even on Trumps short list...so lets not get all Neanderthalish now

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That was then - this is now

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) — who blocked President Barack Obama’s 2016 nominee to the Supreme Court for nearly a year amid widespread Democratic objections — signaled Monday that he would help fill a high-court vacancy if one emerges when President Trump is up for re*election in 2020.

Speaking at a news conference in Louisville, McConnell said his decision to block Obama’s nominee, Judge Merrick Garland, was based on a tradition that opposition parties in control of the Senate do not confirm Supreme Court nominees during presidential election years. He claimed the precedent only applies when different parties control the Senate and the White House.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/power...=.e5a61dae4106

If anyone else remembers Calvin & Hobbes, this sums it up for me

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DpB1AZbU4AAH-2I.jpg

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Dems didn't do it to Eisenhower in '56...So Cecil Turtle is up to his shenanigans...again

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Serious question - do you think the President believes this or is just tweeting something he knows not to be true to energize the base?

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Honestly, I don't care. But I *did* notice that your phrasing precludes the possibility of him being correct.

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Honestly, I don't care. But I *did* notice that your phrasing precludes the possibility of him being correct.

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If there is any proof or for that matter anything else that indicates George Soros paid for last week feel free to provide a link - but I recognize that impermissibly places a burden of proof regarding the veracity of the President’s teeets which should be presumed truthful given his track record - sorry I asked the question - will not ask anything else :drink:

Well there's this. His "donations" to groups are paying for them.

George Soros-funded network drives anti-Kavanaugh activism

George Soros may not be passing out twenties to activists on the street, but that doesn’t mean President Trump was wrong when he accused the Democratic megadonor of having a hand in the anti-Kavanaugh protests.

Mr. Soros has been a key funder through his Open Society Foundations of a left-wing network of protest groups, including the Center for Popular Democracy, which has received millions of dollars from the Soros philanthropy and helped spearhead demonstrations against Supreme Court Justice Brett M. Kavanaugh.

“Most any left-wing group of any consequence at all is getting Soros money,” said Scott Walter, president of the Capital Research Center. “In my decades of studying left-wing groups, I almost never find a group that lacks funding from Soros.”

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ng-protesters/

So just like any relevant right leaning group gets Koch brothers money.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/27/koch...ion-cycle.html

"The network of advocacy groups tied to billionaire industrialists Charles and David Koch pledged to spend close to $400 million on campaign contributions and policy initiatives in the lead-up to the vote in November, a 60 percent jump in spending from the 2016 election cycle, officials said. One of the hallmarks of that effort is a fresh influx of support for the Republican tax plan, with up to $20 million devoted to selling its benefits to voters this year."

I just get so tired of Soros being raised as this liberal boogeyman who is using his money to somehow unduly influence American politics. I mean he may be, but he is more than matched by the Koch brothers and others on the opposite side of the coin.

A handful of very wealthy people control the purse strings on either side. That is who runs the country for all intents and purposes.

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If there is any proof or for that matter anything else that indicates George Soros paid for last week feel free to provide a link - but I recognize that impermissibly places a burden of proof regarding the veracity of the President’s teeets which should be presumed truthful given his track record - sorry I asked the question - will not ask anything else :drink:

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AtlantaDan,
If I insulted you, I apologize. That wasn't my intent. I'm just pointing out that it's possible that he's correct in this case, and your question didn't allow for that possibility. A lot of the protests (especially in DC) are astroturf, and the Dems are known to hire protesters and provide them with signs. And yes, Soros funnels a lot of cash to lefty activist groups. It's not out of the question that Trump is correct, although I don't know one way or the other.

Best,
-Slashy

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AtlantaDan,
If I insulted you, I apologize. That wasn't my intent. I'm just pointing out that it's possible that he's correct in this case, and your question didn't allow for that possibility. A lot of the protests (especially in DC) are astroturf, and the Dems are known to hire protesters and provide them with signs. And yes, Soros funnels a lot of cash to lefty activist groups. It's not out of the question that Trump is correct, although I don't know one way or the other.

Best,
-Slashy

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No need to apologize and no offense taken.

As I posted with Mach1 yesterday, I have pretty much stayed away from the politics threads. Getting back into the fray on Kavanaugh has reminded me why I should stay away, given my quick trigger finger and interest in continuing to enjoy posting on football related matters with you and other posters without napalming any bridges with fellow posters because of my political views.

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So just like any relevant right leaning group gets Koch brothers money.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/27/koch...ion-cycle.html

"The network of advocacy groups tied to billionaire industrialists Charles and David Koch pledged to spend close to $400 million on campaign contributions and policy initiatives in the lead-up to the vote in November, a 60 percent jump in spending from the 2016 election cycle, officials said. One of the hallmarks of that effort is a fresh influx of support for the Republican tax plan, with up to $20 million devoted to selling its benefits to voters this year."

I just get so tired of Soros being raised as this liberal boogeyman who is using his money to somehow unduly influence American politics. I mean he may be, but he is more than matched by the Koch brothers and others on the opposite side of the coin.

A handful of very wealthy people control the purse strings on either side. That is who runs the country for all intents and purposes.

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with some pretty dramatic differences ...

1) one is a foreigner trying to dramatically influence American policy and ideals while paying for protests that lead to civil unrest , property damage and assaults a paid show for the media to convince people this is what is going on in their country ... when in fact its not ...go talk to your neighbor , talk to the guy at the corner store , sit down and talk to anyone other than protesters and extremists ....


as for Kochs Bros ....Former Republican congressman Joe Scarborough, co-host of MSNBC's Morning Joe, has pointed out that, although their critics are usually unaware of the fact, the Koch brothers have supported more than just what are generally considered conservative causes. They opposed George W. Bush on many issues, are pro-choice, support same sex marriage, and worked closely with the Obama White House for the Obama administration's criminal justice reform initiatives that aligned with their own.In early 2018, political advocacy groups linked to the Koch family pledged to spend $400 million on the 2018 midterm elections, including $20 million to promote the H.R.1 – An Act to provide for reconciliation pursuant to titles II and V of the concurrent resolution on the budget for fiscal year 2018 to skeptical voters

Last I checked Soros was an American citizen. Paid protesters is tinfoil hat brigade stuff. And I'm well aware of who the Koch brothers support.

Point is all these politicos are bought and paid for.

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Last I checked Soros was an American citizen. Paid protesters is tinfoil hat brigade stuff. And I'm well aware of who the Koch brothers support.

Point is all these politicos are bought and paid for.

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you are right on the citizenship keep forgetting he has a dual citizenship

hate to dissolution you but paid protestors is not a tin foil hat thing .....

I know for a fact it is real have seen craigslist adds hiring them and know someone who went and participated to put food on the table for his family ...

so it is the furthest thing from tinfoil hat as it gets ...

now I am not saying EVERY protest is paid protest but I do know they exist

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now I am not saying EVERY protest is paid protest but I do know they exist

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Of course, as the President has posted, if you help out in assembling a rent a crowd at a political event you might have to wait a while to get paid :rolleyes:

Donald Trump's big presidential announcement Tuesday was made a little bigger with help from paid actors — at $50 a pop.

New York-based Extra Mile Casting sent an email last Friday to its client list of background actors, seeking extras to beef up attendance at Trump's event.

"We are looking to cast people for the event to wear t-shirts and carry signs and help cheer him in support of his announcement," reads the June 12 email, obtained by The Hollywood Reporter. "We understand this is not a traditional 'background job,' but we believe acting comes in all forms and this is inclusive of that school of thought." ...

The pay was listed as $50 for less than three hours of work. According to the email, Extra Mile was reaching out to potential extras in partnership with Gotham Government Relations and Communications, a New York-Based political consulting group that has worked with Trump in the past.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/ne...-actors-803161

The Trump campaign failed to pay the $12,000 bill from Gotham until about a month after a complaint had been filed with the FEC. :coffee:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.1a33e9fa3d79

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you are right on the citizenship keep forgetting he has a dual citizenship

hate to dissolution you but paid protestors is not a tin foil hat thing .....

I know for a fact it is real have seen craigslist adds hiring them and know someone who went and participated to put food on the table for his family ...

so it is the furthest thing from tinfoil hat as it gets ...

now I am not saying EVERY protest is paid protest but I do know they exist

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I mean I guess everything exists somewhere. Most of the paid protestors I know about and have been able to find supported claims for are unions hiring folks to picket non-union construction sites.

Lots of money that buys lots of speech on both sides. I think everyone needs to realize that there is no one America or no one set of values. Each side can mobilize a great number of people who think just like them. But there is no need to paint the other side as extremist zealots.

Many of the popular conservative viewpoints about morality, culture, and religion I personally find extreme, outmoded, and repressive. But I don't think that people who agree with them are evil or not worthy of expressing their opinion. Disagreement is fine, but silencing and denigrating people for holding a different viewpoint is too small minded for me.

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I mean I guess everything exists somewhere. Most of the paid protestors I know about and have been able to find supported claims for are unions hiring folks to picket non-union construction sites.

Lots of money that buys lots of speech on both sides. I think everyone needs to realize that there is no one America or no one set of values. Each side can mobilize a great number of people who think just like them. But there is no need to paint the other side as extremist zealots.

Many of the popular conservative viewpoints about morality, culture, and religion I personally find extreme, outmoded, and repressive. But I don't think that people who agree with them are evil or not worthy of expressing their opinion. Disagreement is fine, but silencing and denigrating people for holding a different viewpoint is too small minded for me.

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Not singling you out!

Oh the irony.

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Not singling you out!

Oh the irony.

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Not sure I follow, if that wasn't aimed at me...then where did you intend it to land?

I mean if you're pointing out that there are loud entitled close minded jerk-offs on all sides...fine, but I've certainly conceded that point on multiple occasions.

I mean if we are looking for irony. I might point out your own signature:

"Give a lib a fish--he eats for a day. Teach a lib to fish--he is back the next day asking for more free fish."

I mean, I'm a liberal, I demand my free fish!

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Not sure I follow, if that wasn't aimed at me...then where did you intend it to land?

I mean if you're pointing out that there are loud entitled close minded jerk-offs on all sides...fine, but I've certainly conceded that point on multiple occasions.

I mean if we are looking for irony. I might point out your own signature:

"Give a lib a fish--he eats for a day. Teach a lib to fish--he is back the next day asking for more free fish."

I mean, I'm a liberal, I demand my free fish!

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LOL

It's both sides yes. But the example you provided "conservative viewpoints" seems a little one sided.

I wasn't trying to single you out, just the general BS that both sides stir the pot with.

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LOL

It's both sides yes. But the example you provided "conservative viewpoints" seems a little one sided.

I wasn't trying to single you out, just the general BS that both sides stir the pot with.

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Fair enough. I can only go what I am told by people and see as being represented in the big wide world around me.

I'm sure there is no one set of viewpoints and ideals that describes all conservatives. But in general I personally disagree with most of the big party platform kinda things (abortion, tax policy, immigration, etc) and was simply trying to cop to that.

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I mean I guess everything exists somewhere.

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Except I only see one side inciting people to confrontation and violence. I only see one side weaponizing a claim of sexual assault for political gain and turning it into a shameful public spectacle. Against the wishes and best interest of the claimant, I might add.

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Lots of money that buys lots of speech on both sides. I think everyone needs to realize that there is no one America or no one set of values. Each side can mobilize a great number of people who think just like them. But there is no need to paint the other side as extremist zealots.

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True. I only paint the extremist zealots as extremist zealots. "Free speech is hate speech" "Punch a nazi", etc.

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Many of the popular conservative viewpoints about morality, culture, and religion I personally find extreme, outmoded, and repressive.

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Agreed.

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But I don't think that people who agree with them are evil or not worthy of expressing their opinion. Disagreement is fine, but silencing and denigrating people for holding a different viewpoint is too small minded for me.

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I don't see anyone on the right silencing or denigrating anyone. I do, however, see lots of people on the left doing it. Firebombing convention centers, assaulting innocent bystanders with everything from mace to bicycle locks, Hounding people out of public places, forcing speakers to be "disinvited".
I think most people are horrified by this sort of behavior and even more horrified to see Dem politicians fanning the flames (Hillary Clinton, Maxine Waters, Cory Booker).

Look... I agree that both sides are corrupt and self serving (hence my general opposition to big government), but let's not pretend that both sides are acting the same way or are equally responsible for the current division. There are no conservatives out there beating people down for wearing "I'm with her" hats, no conservatives out there hounding Dems out of restaurants, no conservative politicians out there urging people to accost democrats, no conservatives out there firebombing democratic speaking engagements.
This behavior is entirely unacceptable and entirely one sided.

My $0.02
-Slashy

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Except I only see one side inciting people to confrontation and violence.

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I suppose that might depend on where someone is looking

For some politicians it might just take a look in the mirror

I'm looking at 2018. *You* can attempt to use the past to justify present deplorable behavior, but I'm not buyin'.

Best,
-Slashy

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Except I only see one side inciting people to confrontation and violence. I only see one side weaponizing a claim of sexual assault for political gain and turning it into a shameful public spectacle. Against the wishes and best interest of the claimant, I might add.


True. I only paint the extremist zealots as extremist zealots. "Free speech is hate speech" "Punch a nazi", etc.


Agreed.


I don't see anyone on the right silencing or denigrating anyone. I do, however, see lots of people on the left doing it. Firebombing convention centers, assaulting innocent bystanders with everything from mace to bicycle locks, Hounding people out of public places, forcing speakers to be "disinvited".
I think most people are horrified by this sort of behavior and even more horrified to see Dem politicians fanning the flames (Hillary Clinton, Maxine Waters, Cory Booker).

Look... I agree that both sides are corrupt and self serving (hence my general opposition to big government), but let's not pretend that both sides are acting the same way or are equally responsible for the current division. There are no conservatives out there beating people down for wearing "I'm with her" hats, no conservatives out there hounding Dems out of restaurants, no conservative politicians out there urging people to accost democrats, no conservatives out there firebombing democratic speaking engagements.
This behavior is entirely unacceptable and entirely one sided.

My $0.02
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Honestly, if you truly believe all that then I question where you are getting all your information. I am not debating or denying any of the terrible behavior on the left. But there is a very equal pile of crap on the right. It is in the news or the internet daily.

I mean it was right wing protesters that straight up murdered someone in Virginia. Granted they may not represent the majority of conservative or GOP viewpoints but coddled college students who protest speakers that make them feel icky don't represent all leftists either.

It is was in response to conspiracy theories floated by right wing websites and then whispered about in interviews that a guy drove across multiple states to shoot up a a pizza shop over. Various individuals maced and punched people at Trump ralllies. On both sides. This is very very far from a one sided affair.

In terms of silencing people look at any of the dozens of diatribes against Black Lives Matter protests that do not engage with the view points of the protestors but simply question their right to protest. Or what about the decades long effort to make sure "Gays don't rub our faces in it?". Or calling immigrants criminals, rapists, and animals?

It goes on on both sides without doubt.

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Or we could do a detailed look into a variety of efforts across multiple states to prevent specific classes of people from voting and how only one side of the aisle is banging the table for these laws.

But I suspect no one wants to really get into that.

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I'm looking at 2018. *You* can attempt to use the past to justify present deplorable behavior, but I'm not buyin'.

Best,
-Slashy

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LOL - just saying the claim only one side of the political spectrum does what outrages you is not supported by the facts

Of course the Steelers are undefeated if you just look at last week :drink:

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LOL - just saying the claim only one side of the political spectrum does what outrages you is not supported by the facts

Of course the Steelers are undefeated if you just look at last week :drink:

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The claim that one side is doing what outrages me (and a whole lot of others) *at the moment* is completely supported by the facts. And ask around; the righties on this forum will tell you that I've never been shy about calling out the Republicans when they do dirt. The current partisan animosity and craziness... Yes. I blame it on the far left SJW kids, particularly ANTIFA (most ironic name ever) and several dem politicians who are agitating for more of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeOkybuCXX0
And I totally understand that you don't see it and that's fine.

Best,
-Slashy

Here's what I see....... it is the fringes on both sides causing the troubles/problems. I guarantee that I can.... and do get along just fine with most people on the Left. I would bet dollars to doughnuts that those of you on the Left are the same.

"Most" of us lean a little right or left, but we are also more centered than maybe we would like to think. "We" have allowed the fringes to run rampant. It's time to shut them down on both sides. Years ago, that is how it was...... and maybe, maybe not.... better for everyone.

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Or we could do a detailed look into a variety of efforts across multiple states to prevent specific classes of people from voting and how only one side of the aisle is banging the table for these laws.

But I suspect no one wants to really get into that.

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I wouldn't mind wading into that subject, but it's a bit far off into the weeds for this thread. If you feel like discussing it in another thread, I'll be happy to oblige you.
As for the rest of your post (particularly the 'very equal' part), I guarantee you that we could trade examples of political violence over the last 2 years until you run out, and I will be able to go on and on and on until you finally get the point. Seems kinda tedious, tho'. ;)

Best,
-Slashy

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Here's what I see....... it is the fringes on both sides causing the troubles/problems. I guarantee that I can.... and do get along just fine with most people on the Left. I would bet dollars to doughnuts that those of you on the Left are the same.

"Most" of us lean a little right or left, but we are also more centered than maybe we would like to think. "We" have allowed the fringes to run rampant. It's time to shut them down on both sides. Years ago, that is how it was...... and maybe, maybe not.... better for everyone.

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Well... I kinda live off to the side of the right/ left line, but if you were to extend a perpendicular line from me to "left/ right", then yeah. Somewhere near the middle. But here's the thing: Only the politicians on one side of the aisle are actively calling for more confrontation. I don't mean real or imagined dog whistles, but active "get out there and get in their faces" agitation. I've *got* to call them on that; it's wrong and dangerous.

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Well... I kinda live off to the side of the right/ left line, but if you were to extend a perpendicular line from me to "left/ right", then yeah. Somewhere near the middle. But here's the thing: Only the politicians on one side of the aisle are actively calling for more confrontation. I don't mean real or imagined dog whistles, but active "get out there and get in their faces" agitation. I've *got* to call them on that; it's wrong and dangerous.

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I absolutely agree with you. I was speaking more about the people/citizens than about the so called elected representatives of said people...lol.

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I absolutely agree with you. I was speaking more about the people/citizens than about the so called elected representatives of said people...lol.

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Right, but the elected 'representatives' are the only ones who can actually control the fringes. There's also the problem of defining who is in the fringe and who's not. People tend to define it wherever it's most convenient for them politically.

Trump voters are a basket of deplorable's and unredeamable's HRC .........

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The claim that one side is doing what outrages me (and a whole lot of others) *at the moment* is completely supported by the facts. And ask around; the righties on this forum will tell you that I've never been shy about calling out the Republicans when they do dirt. The current partisan animosity and craziness... Yes. I blame it on the far left SJW kids, particularly ANTIFA (most ironic name ever) and several dem politicians who are agitating for more of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeOkybuCXX0
And I totally understand that you don't see it and that's fine.

Best,
-Slashy

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Back off from “at the moment” and walk me through how the last decade since I don’t know, maybe birtherism or Congressman Lewis being spat on, is all about only ””the left” doing what outrages you

I am assuming a privileged guy being called out is not what is driving your views on not willing to look past mid-September 2018 :drink:

Someone allegedly got spit on?
Hold my beer.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/rf/im...5d74cf2589.jpg

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Back off from “at the moment” and walk me through how the last decade since I don’t know, maybe birtherism or Congressman Lewis being spat on, is all about only ””the left” doing what outrages you

I am assuming a privileged guy being called out is not what is driving your views on not willing to look past mid-September 2018 :drink:

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And I can match birtherism with "Bush started an illegal war" and "He's war criminal," both of which is patently false. Of course, the other side would counter with "Investigate Clinton at all costs until he's impeached." Yet, the Republicans could again counter with "Investigate Reagan at All Costs - Especially When Trading Arms for Hostages was not Illegal" (which it wasn't, no indictments came from that at all. All the indictments were for small crime type deals dealing with the contras).

What I see as Slashes outrage here, however, is the final and complete politicizing of a Supreme Court appointee, something even Ruth Bader Ginsburg says is wrong and should go back to how it was when Scalia and she were appointed. Personally, I was bothered by "the accusation is enough" argument many on the left were pushing, and this after Pelosi sat on the accusations for weeks while social media was all cleaned up. Then, they get dropped on the stand with too little time to spare, and then demanded the vote get pushed back until a full investigation could happen. Nevermind the fact that we are in an off-cycle election year and had the Democrats had their way, the vote probably would have happened in mid-October, just three or so week from the election. That would have given them just enough time to rally their base and really get a good turnout. However, I wasn't outraged by it.

No, what outraged me, and frankly, pissed me off, was that they then, after using this woman to try and gain political power back in the midterms, they had the temerity to accuse Republicans of not being sensitive to this woman. And, this comes on the heels of being told we had to vote for Clinton or we hated women. Nevermind the fact that Hillary Clinton ran her husband's "Bimbo Explosion Squad" while he was running for office and was one of the primary people responsible for trying to shut up any woman that came out accusing her husband of sexual molestation or using his power as governor to gain sexual advantages over a woman.

I mean, there's always some hypocrisy in politics, but that level of blatant "I'm above you all and my actions don't matter" on one of the very core issues democrats are supposed to support (Feminism) is shake-your-head-and-check-their-meds stupid.

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Back off from “at the moment” and walk me through how the last decade since I don’t know, maybe birtherism or Congressman Lewis being spat on, is all about only ””the left” doing what outrages you

I am assuming a privileged guy being called out is not what is driving your views on not willing to look past mid-September 2018 :drink:

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It's really simple if you stop and think about it: The left lost all political power 2 years ago. In response, they became completely unhinged. Prior to that, yeah... plenty of dirt on both sides. But now the nation is the most divided it's ever been since 1968 and this is totally the left's fault. They *think* that prior history justifies their current behavior, but it doesn't.

Best,
-Slashy

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Someone allegedly got spit on?
Hold my beer.

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So Congressman Lewis being spit on is just an assertion of First Amendment rights?

Both Mojouw and I are not contending only "the right" engages in violent and reprehensible behavior. It would not be too difficult to find but I have no interest in finding video of the driver running through the crowd in Charlottesville to play point-counterpoint with your screenshot of Representative Scalise.

It is the contention it is only "the left" that engages in this sort of conduct that has prompted me to continue posting on this point. :drink:

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Originally Posted by GoSlash27

It's really simple if you stop and think about it: The left lost all political power 2 years ago. In response, they became completely unhinged. Prior to that, yeah... plenty of dirt on both sides. But now the nation is the most divided it's ever been since 1968 and this is totally the left's fault. They *think* that prior history justifies their current behavior, but it doesn't.

Best,
-Slashy

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Sort of like "the right" having a fit after it lost the Presidency and control of Congress from 2008-2010?

As far as it totally being the fault of "the left" for the country being as divided as it has been at any time since 1968 (I agree it as bad as any time since then), I give up.

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Originally Posted by Craic

And I can match birtherism with "Bush started an illegal war" and "He's war criminal," both of which is patently false. Of course, the other side would counter with "Investigate Clinton at all costs until he's impeached." Yet, the Republicans could again counter with "Investigate Reagan at All Costs - Especially When Trading Arms for Hostages was not Illegal" (which it wasn't, no indictments came from that at all. All the indictments were for small crime type deals dealing with the contras).

What I see as Slashes outrage here, however, is the final and complete politicizing of a Supreme Court appointee, something even Ruth Bader Ginsburg says is wrong and should go back to how it was when Scalia and she were appointed. Personally, I was bothered by "the accusation is enough" argument many on the left were pushing, and this after Pelosi sat on the accusations for weeks while social media was all cleaned up. Then, they get dropped on the stand with too little time to spare, and then demanded the vote get pushed back until a full investigation could happen. Nevermind the fact that we are in an off-cycle election year and had the Democrats had their way, the vote probably would have happened in mid-October, just three or so week from the election. That would have given them just enough time to rally their base and really get a good turnout. However, I wasn't outraged by it.

No, what outraged me, and frankly, pissed me off, was that they then, after using this woman to try and gain political power back in the midterms, they had the temerity to accuse Republicans of not being sensitive to this woman. And, this comes on the heels of being told we had to vote for Clinton or we hated women. Nevermind the fact that Hillary Clinton ran her husband's "Bimbo Explosion Squad" while he was running for office and was one of the primary people responsible for trying to shut up any woman that came out accusing her husband of sexual molestation or using his power as governor to gain sexual advantages over a woman.

I mean, there's always some hypocrisy in politics, but that level of blatant "I'm above you all and my actions don't matter" on one of the very core issues democrats are supposed to support (Feminism) is shake-your-head-and-check-their-meds stupid.

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You and I appear to be in agreement that both the Dems and GOP have been playing "hold my beer" with regard to can it get any worse tactics since at least the mid-90s for political disputes other than judicial nominations.

With regard to the final and complete politicizing of Supreme Court and other federal judicial nominations, that process goes back to at least the Robert Bork hearings in 1987, with stops along the way for the Clarence Thomas confirmation hearings, both parties engaging in increased use of the filibuster and cloture to block lower court judicial nominations, Merrick Garland not even receiving a hearing, and now the Kavanaugh fiasco

I do not even know what the Dems intended to achieve by their last minute outing of Dr Ford that arguably would have been better executed as a hit job if the addled Senator Feinstein had not failed to even tell the other Dem Senators about Dr Ford until late in the hearing process, other than revving up their base for the midterms through Dr. Ford's testimony just as the GOP has energized its base by Kavanaugh becoming the poster Justice for the excesses of the #MeToo movement. There was another equally conservative GOP nominee certified by the Federalist Society in the pipeline who would have been confirmed no later than a lame duck session after the midterms if Kavanaugh would not have made it

But as far as the complete politicization of the federal judiciary in general and the Supreme Court in particular, that ship sailed before the Kavanaugh hearings, and both parties have hastened it, just as the excesses of both sides have accelerated political acrimony across the board. I am not directing this last comment at you, but blaming only one side for the current situation is nothing more than a partisan talking point.