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This guy was a decent target and a bright spot in the dregs of the Niners. He can catch balls, he can block and he's got that gritty attitude. I love this trade...a lot. He's going from trash to Ben at QB and look at the receivers around him. I love it.
Give Ben options with two TEs in the game and Brown and Bryant on the field. If they go two high on Brown, Ben can opt to run with Bell as McDonald can block. He's a nice weapon for Ben to have on the field.
McDonald and a 5 for a 4th rounder is a no brainer.
Far more than serviceable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
I'm sure that his numbers are skewed by that motley QB crew out there in SF. Dreadful. Let's see what he can do with a top 3 QB where great receivers are taking all the coverage.
I like the move.
If McD can solve the TE woes then great. Means we can fully focus on safety next draft. After we take the next Steeler franchise QB that is.
Film Room: Breakdown Of Vance McDonald’s 2016 Incompleted Targets
The Pittsburgh Steelers acquired tight end Vance McDonald in a Tuesday morning trade with the San Francisco 49ers and since that deal happened there’s been a lot of talk about his reliability as a pass catcher and especially when it comes to drops.
While Alex Kozora has already done a fine job of breaking down a lot of the good that comes along with McDonald, in this post, I’ll look at the 21 pass targets to him from last season that were incomplete.
Below is a video of all 21 incompleted targets thrown to McDonald last season and all are from the end zone view of the play. The table below is in chronological order for you to follow along with as well.
As you will see in the video, quite a few of those incompleted passes were a result of off-target by the 49ers quarterbacks. In fact, you can probably say that at least 13 of those incompleted throws were uncatchable and maybe even 14.
Now, one throw was undercut by a defensive back and intercepted while three others were broken up by defensive players and those should be easy to identify.
read more
http://www.steelersdepot.com/2017/08...leted-targets/
http://steelerswire.usatoday.com/201...ance-mcdonald/
Fortunately, the salary cap numbers are not as bad as previously thought
Yep, great trade.Quote:
Originally Posted by st33lersguy
Lots of folks thought James, Johnson, Grimble were enough, clearly that wasn't the case.
Well at least McDonald is better than the three we have, but then again Kittle pushed McDonald out the door, you can see why. Blocks like a OT, runs a 4.5 forty, great hands and can do this after the catch, all in a R4 package if we would have taken him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m-RHsCkJMY
But we didn't take Kittle........move on.
and that was a big mistake, Ill keep you posted on how well he does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkman
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Originally Posted by Shoes
This is another debate, but he must not be so incredible if he was still available in the 5th round.
It is another debate, but wait and see.Quote:
Originally Posted by polamalubeast
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Originally Posted by polamalubeast
if you bother to watch that tape you will find there is a shitload more than 3 or 4 drops on it ....
watch the tape its there make your own determination
McDonald can be a great weapon he just is not a reliable one so he may win you a game with a great catch and run but he also may lose you some games with key drive killing dropped passes
Still much better that James(not even close)and the steelers give almost nothing for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Secondaryconcerns
Also, McDonald a threat of big play and yards after the catch.James will never be good at it.
So you disagree with the pass by pass breakdown that is provided along with accompanying video. Gee, its almost like with the chart and everything you could point to specific plays you took issue with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Secondaryconcerns
Or you could just talk trash to PB all night.
FWIW, I agree McDonald is what he is at this point as an NFL player. Solidly in the slightly above average category as a TE.
Again, for basically nothing -- heck of a trade. Does it solve any issues at the position group long term? Of course not. But the Pittsburgh Steelers TE group is more of an NFL level of competency than it was 12 hours ago.
What are we still talking about?
watch it ... if they do not jump out at you not sure what to tell you but way more than 3 drops here
https://streamable.com/nbamw
I got 5 legit drops. 2 a defender knocks it away. 2 that maybe in a perfect world a better athlete reaches back and gets.
I mean that's no worse than anyone else on the roster.
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Originally Posted by Secondaryconcerns
I counted 4
When the pass is not accurate (like behind) or that McDonald is very well cover, I do not count it as a drop.
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In fact this is better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
Here's proof why no-one wants Kap! :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Secondaryconcerns
For reals. Some of those throws were just wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoes
I counted 3 drops, and three were in the area but wide and would have been tough catches
After the lowlight,now the highlights....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxSGF29odwE
No question he's an upgrade over the three stooges we now have, so that is a good thing. Seems like a high character kid too, always a plus.
outstanding trade. looks like one of Belicheat's classic trades where he gives up little to nothing for a little known commodity and makes him blow up. Lets be real, the 49ers are going to be bottom feeders and the steelers are going to be near the top, meaning the 4th round pick we gave up will be a late 4th rounder and the 5th round pick we gain will be an early 5th rounder. We essentially moved back a few spots to acquire Vance. And yes, that contract looks alarming, but its a very easy contract for us to get out of if we need to. And this is the kind of tight end we've been looking for all along. I was pissed that we didnt get it done during the draft, especially moments like drafting Dobbs when George Kittle was on the board, but im really happy with this one. Super low risk, super high potential reward
Will we see him Thursday night?
Back in 2013, over at Steelers Fever, a lot of people were high on Vance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoes
So... he's got that going for him.
Not totally true. There's new management in San Francisco as well that want "their players" there and as usual, they clean house on players that make "too much" or don't fit their schemes. Maybe they thought Kittle was better than McDonald, but not the sole reason they "pushed him out the door".Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoes
I can agree with that, they got a younger, better player at a cheaper price, see ya later Vance.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
Horrible! :chuckle:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoes
Look who his quarterback was. Dude has averaged over 14 yards per catch so that tells me he turns it up field. Plus he is huge and could easily be a mismatch. Ben is probably salivating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Secondaryconcerns
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If Barnidge was worth a contract he would have one by now.
He had 1 great year, and padded his stats against soft prevent defense because the Browns suck.
james route running is horrible... Vance definately has him beat there
http://www.steelers.com/videos/video...0-2acda4db9968
After the game against Carolina, Vance was asked if the Steelers told him what role will he fill, he replied saying "we're going to win a championship (that's all I heard)"
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