I can still remember my reaction to that play. We were having a pretty big party at our house and people had thought I lost my mind. I think they moved away from me just a little.:rofl2:Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
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I can still remember my reaction to that play. We were having a pretty big party at our house and people had thought I lost my mind. I think they moved away from me just a little.:rofl2:Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
Pretty close to my wife's reaction. She jumped up on the couch and almost tipped over LMAOQuote:
Originally Posted by Hawkman
You could tell even after Tommy went down Ben almost brought the Steelers back in that game against the Ravens he was something special.
Some were not so sure :chuckle:Quote:
Originally Posted by steel striker
Not everyone is excited about Roethlisberger's first NFL start
The excitement that rookie quarterback Ben Roethlisberger might bring Sunday in Miami to his first NFL start is not what co-captain Alan Faneca prefers....
"Exciting?" Faneca replied to a question in an are-you-crazy kind of way. "No, it's not exciting. Do you want to go work with some little young kid who's just out of college?"
https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...s/200409210185
Interesting to look back and see how Ben replacing Maddox was regarded at the time it happened with no idea how well it was going to turn out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNcJ...;persist_app=1Quote:
Originally Posted by Six Rings
Really though. It was discussed a few times (back a few months ago) in several of the dozens of threads that you started.Quote:
Originally Posted by Six Rings
SIX RINGS: Cowher never had a franchise QB...
FAN’76: Cowher ignored the QB position...
(You would start another thread.)
SIX RINGS: Imagine if Cowher had a franchise QB...
HAWAII: Cowher didn’t want Ben...
(You would start another thread.)
SIX RINGS: Cowher would have been much better...
TUBE517: Joe Montana begged to come here, but Cowher told him to go away...
(You would start another thread.)
SIX RINGS: If Cowher had had a franchise QB...
HAWKMAN: Cowher was supposed to draft Brees...
(You would start another thread.)
SIX RINGS: Cowher woulda won ten Super Bowls...
TEEGRE: Cowher’s philosophy almost worked. Except...
(You would start another thread.)
Repeat.
Damn son, you did some serious mining.:heh:Quote:
Originally Posted by teegre
Well... I am from West Virginia. :wink02:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkman
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Originally Posted by teegre
That same team was a Joe Nedney acting job away from a second consecutive AFC title game appearance with Maddox in 2002. This isn't a group of rookies and scrubs Ben was playing with in 2004.Quote:
How could he be the perfect quarterback for the team around him? You're the one that said he couldn't try to be Tommy Maddox. As if he wasn't capable of playing at the level Maddox could.
Would they have gone 16-0 or 15-1 with Maddox as quarterback? They should have won everything with that stud behind center.
The coaching staff, teammates, and everyone else knew it the second he played in live action. In football tape terms...he jumped off the screen when you saw him play.
That is not the argument. No one, not a single person here said Ben "lacked talent" or wasn't a good package.Quote:
You're one of a small group that couldn't see that Ben had "it". Did you listen to the announcers and analysts talk about Ben and what he was doing as a rookie? It just isn't something that happened up until that time. If you watch those highlights and not see a complete package of talents that other QBs simply couldn't do when he came into the league, that's on you. That year spoke for itself.
All quarterbacks have some level of talent. That's how they catch the eyes of coaches and scouts make it to the NFL to begin with. There isn't some arbitary imaginary stuff like "It" that makes them successful. Andrew Luck was the absolute surefire thing. First pick of the draft. Multiple pro bowls and all-pro honors. But he was out of the league by 29. Did Andrew Luck just not have "it"?Quote:
Just so you understand. Most quarterbacks that go to the HOF have "it".....and you usually see it very early in their careers because they do things routinely that other quarterbacks can't, or they do great things in big moments that other quarterbacks don't. It's not that difficult.
Just keep hating on the guy. It's what you do.
2004 Ben was a perfect combination of a talented rookie placed in stable organization with a solid team with elite veteran talent surrounding him. Ben had a minimal workload, wasn't asked to do much, and his teammates did the rest. Ben was that extra surge that took that team over the top. Ben was the perfect fit for the Steelers.
Except, that is wrong. Or, let me rephrase, it is right for a good portion of the first season, but by the end and headed into our first SB winning season since the '70s dynasty, Ben was carrying the workload, putting the team up in points, and then Cowher would shut down the passing game and run out the clock. Moreover, give that video another look. Ben did not have clean pockets. He was flushed out of the pocket many times. That great O-line you refer to, was a great run-blocking O-line.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edman
Look, did Ben land in a good place? Yes. Of course, that good place called the Pittsburgh Steelers won only six games the previous year with Maddox at the helm. Ben wasn't the "extra surge." He was the engine that allowed all the other moving parts (on offense) to operate at a much higher level as well as providing the defense with more room to breathe.
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Originally Posted by Edman
You're so full of it. In 2003 they were 6-10. That's the team they were before Ben became quarterback. Going back multiple years to try to make a point and ignore the previous year which is a much more accurate portrayal....:jerkit:...that's so you. Maddox started all 16 games in 2003.......6-10 record. Swing and a miss.
Ben wasn't the perfect fit for the Steelers. He was the perfect fit for any team because he is a great quarterback......DUH.
Once again, a simple truth eludes you.
I'm going to respectfully disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
The pre draft stuff is all hogwash until they step on the field.
Rivers has the absolute WORST throwing motion I've ever seen!
Of the big 3 that year Ben is the ONLY sure fire HOFer
Eli admittedly will make it because his last name is 'Manning' and because of his 2 Super Bowls beating New England.
Rivers should NEVER get a sniff and while he's at it get snipped lol
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Some people just hate the FACTS & TRUTH!Quote:
Originally Posted by pczach
You know that Ben MADE the Steelers BETTER.
ROFLMAO minimal work load. Wasn't asked to do much I guess all those times he used his legs to make a play he was simply ignoring the coaches who wanted him to just hand the ball off to the RB. If this is how you really feel you have no idea how fortunate the Steelers are to have Ben as the QB of this team.Quote:
Ben had a minimal workload, wasn't asked to do much, and his teammates did the rest
https://i.pinimg.com/474x/61/83/89/6...9fa5140c71.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Six Rings
Ben was a special QB since day one!
Great video!
Many forget that in 2004 and 2005, the steelers had a run-pass ratio of about 50-50 in the first half, but after, often after a big led because of some big play by Ben and other things, the steelers ran the ball for almost the second half to keep their lead ... Just watch the game against the colts in the playoffs in 2005.Quote:
Originally Posted by Butch
First, at this time, the rookie QB was on the bench for most of the time, so we can't blame Cowher for thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Edman
The other thing, the steelers were 6-10 the year before and was very unimpressive in the first two games of the season without Ben as starting against the Raiders and Ravens. 13-0 with Ben after, best regular season in steelers history.
At this time,it was very hard for a rookie QB to be good.I mean before 2004,the most win ever for a rookie QB were only 6!Quote:
Originally Posted by AtlantaDan
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The 2002 Steelers were only 10-5-1 and they almost lost at home in the wild card round against the Cleveland Browns….Yes Ben was in a good situation at the start,but almost every QB who has been good or great at the start was in a great situation and it includes Patrick Mahomes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edman