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Not sure I'm willing to swap Kittle for Dobbs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoes
You could argue that Dobbs would've still been there at the Steelers #5, but we will never know. As things stand right now, that is the choice.
The QB or the TE. I'm taking the QB every single time.
I would have taken Kittle in R4 without a question. Steelers like losing draft picks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
On that note McDonald looks better than James, but I want to see how he blocks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNrLfK3hoIQ
I like the trade and I like McDonald. He's a very good blocker and I think he can become an even better receiver with a good QB. For giving up hardly anything, I like it.
I don't like these August trades and after the last 2 years I can't trust that whoever they trade for in August will actually contribute. Getting the 5th round pick though really makes the deal better
My thoughts exactly . George Kittle over Josh DobbsQuote:
Originally Posted by Shoes
I like the move. Hope it upgrades the position. He should be able to produce where the other TE's on the roster have failed.
Kittle could have contributed right away to the team this year. Dobbs may be gone by next draft day . (Dennis Dixon 2.0)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
All good points. I just always take the the QB. Can never have enough tickets to that lottery.
Doesn't really matter though. Point is they got a serviceable NFL TE for peanuts.
We improved the TE position and only moved back less than 10 spots in next years draft.
This was a great deal.
Bingo!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
The Niners will be picking in the top 5.
And, the Steelers will be picking 32nd. :wink02:
As far as the comps go, in the last draft, there were seven R4 comp picks. Heck, let's assume it is ten.
R4, 32: Niners (from Steelers)
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R5, 1: NYJets
R5, 2: Browns
R5, 3: Bills
R5, 4: Jaguars
R5, 5: Steelers (from Niners)
This guy was a decent target and a bright spot in the dregs of the Niners. He can catch balls, he can block and he's got that gritty attitude. I love this trade...a lot. He's going from trash to Ben at QB and look at the receivers around him. I love it.
Give Ben options with two TEs in the game and Brown and Bryant on the field. If they go two high on Brown, Ben can opt to run with Bell as McDonald can block. He's a nice weapon for Ben to have on the field.
McDonald and a 5 for a 4th rounder is a no brainer.
Far more than serviceable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
I'm sure that his numbers are skewed by that motley QB crew out there in SF. Dreadful. Let's see what he can do with a top 3 QB where great receivers are taking all the coverage.
I like the move.
If McD can solve the TE woes then great. Means we can fully focus on safety next draft. After we take the next Steeler franchise QB that is.
Film Room: Breakdown Of Vance McDonald’s 2016 Incompleted Targets
The Pittsburgh Steelers acquired tight end Vance McDonald in a Tuesday morning trade with the San Francisco 49ers and since that deal happened there’s been a lot of talk about his reliability as a pass catcher and especially when it comes to drops.
While Alex Kozora has already done a fine job of breaking down a lot of the good that comes along with McDonald, in this post, I’ll look at the 21 pass targets to him from last season that were incomplete.
Below is a video of all 21 incompleted targets thrown to McDonald last season and all are from the end zone view of the play. The table below is in chronological order for you to follow along with as well.
As you will see in the video, quite a few of those incompleted passes were a result of off-target by the 49ers quarterbacks. In fact, you can probably say that at least 13 of those incompleted throws were uncatchable and maybe even 14.
Now, one throw was undercut by a defensive back and intercepted while three others were broken up by defensive players and those should be easy to identify.
read more
http://www.steelersdepot.com/2017/08...leted-targets/
http://steelerswire.usatoday.com/201...ance-mcdonald/
Fortunately, the salary cap numbers are not as bad as previously thought
Yep, great trade.Quote:
Originally Posted by st33lersguy
Lots of folks thought James, Johnson, Grimble were enough, clearly that wasn't the case.
Well at least McDonald is better than the three we have, but then again Kittle pushed McDonald out the door, you can see why. Blocks like a OT, runs a 4.5 forty, great hands and can do this after the catch, all in a R4 package if we would have taken him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m-RHsCkJMY
But we didn't take Kittle........move on.
and that was a big mistake, Ill keep you posted on how well he does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkman
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Originally Posted by Shoes
This is another debate, but he must not be so incredible if he was still available in the 5th round.
It is another debate, but wait and see.Quote:
Originally Posted by polamalubeast
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Originally Posted by polamalubeast
if you bother to watch that tape you will find there is a shitload more than 3 or 4 drops on it ....
watch the tape its there make your own determination
McDonald can be a great weapon he just is not a reliable one so he may win you a game with a great catch and run but he also may lose you some games with key drive killing dropped passes
Still much better that James(not even close)and the steelers give almost nothing for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Secondaryconcerns
Also, McDonald a threat of big play and yards after the catch.James will never be good at it.
So you disagree with the pass by pass breakdown that is provided along with accompanying video. Gee, its almost like with the chart and everything you could point to specific plays you took issue with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Secondaryconcerns
Or you could just talk trash to PB all night.
FWIW, I agree McDonald is what he is at this point as an NFL player. Solidly in the slightly above average category as a TE.
Again, for basically nothing -- heck of a trade. Does it solve any issues at the position group long term? Of course not. But the Pittsburgh Steelers TE group is more of an NFL level of competency than it was 12 hours ago.
What are we still talking about?
watch it ... if they do not jump out at you not sure what to tell you but way more than 3 drops here
https://streamable.com/nbamw