Possibly. I haven't seen one CB that's been mentioned on here that people want to sign. Yet everyone bitches about the secondary. LolQuote:
Originally Posted by AtlantaDan
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Possibly. I haven't seen one CB that's been mentioned on here that people want to sign. Yet everyone bitches about the secondary. LolQuote:
Originally Posted by AtlantaDan
How do you know it's low reward? You mean to tell me you know exactly how he'll perform this year? C'mon guy you're not able to see the future.Quote:
Originally Posted by polamalubeast
Never said that - I posted thisQuote:
Originally Posted by BurghBoy412
FWIW Ben is about to hang them up (as Ronald Reagan said about aging, Ben's career has more yesterdays than tomorrows) even if his performance has not collapsed like Haden's has.Quote:
Past results are no guarantee of future performance but more recent numbers usually are a better gauge of current value than peak numbers
Bottom line is if Haden was so valuable why are the Browns shopping him around?
From what I've read they're trying to make room and stock picks for 2018 draft. They're not planning on competing for a Championship this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by AtlantaDan
Good chance that Haden do not performs close to the level of his salary.Quote:
Originally Posted by BurghBoy412
Remember in 2010 when the vikings made a trade to have Randy Moss against a 3rd round pick?...It was a desperate move and it did not work
In 2005, the steelers did not make a desperate move in the final year of Jerome Bettis.
You see it as desperate. Well I say starting Ross Cockrell is pretty darn desperate my friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by polamalubeast
The Browns are being run by the "moneyball" guys. Any expensive contract is replaced with three players for the same cost. They have the most players (of any team) still on their first contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by AtlantaDan
But, I do not disagree with you on your reasons not to trade for him ...because, the real question is: If Haden were such a good player why aren't teams lining up to get him???
I would not be surprised if the steelers make a trade like today to improve the cornerback position.But not for Haden.Quote:
Originally Posted by BurghBoy412
They'll wait till cuts. The negotiate new deals. I'm hoping Kyle Fuller and/or Joe Haden get pink slips. Maybe they could land one of them. Who knows but it's not fair to this team to stand by and do nothing at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by polamalubeast
As I posted earlier, if it is a salary dump they will do it anyhow after nobody takes the bait and has to take on the contractQuote:
Originally Posted by teegre
If the Browns release him then try for a lowball $$$ signing
After getting burned on Justin Gilbert (among other trades of low picks for taking CBs off the scrap heap) I would hope the Steelers are done trading picks to take on CBs the Browns are dumping
SO let me make sure I got this straight:
1. Ross Cockrell needs to get cut. Not benched, but straight up cut because he is the weak link on defense.
2. Joe Haden has performed like multiple times worse than Cockrell the last 2 years. Cockrell's only 2 years in the league I believe.
3. Haden had some good, but not great years about 4 seasons back.
4. Now the Steelers should pay in draft picks and all their remaining cap room + some other cap gymnastics to sign a guy who MIGHT rebound to play at the level of their current CBs?
Look, I'm all for shaking up the roster. I really am. But you gotta look at the cost/benefit to doing it. I mean if this was baseball and Cleveland could eat a bunch of Haden's salary -- sure send them a future pick and call it a day.
Maybe sending a pick or a wideout the Bears way for Fuller really is the "best" path to improvement. I don't know. But since Champ Bailey, I can't think of a trade involving a CB that really was a short-cut to improvement in the secondary. Either you draft bad-ass CBs or your just rearranging the chairs on the Titanic.
They might be lining up. Not to trade for him but to sign him off of waivers.Quote:
Originally Posted by teegre
LOL! Bettis was nowhere close to being "washed up" when he was traded by the Rams to the Steelers. He'd only been in the NFL for 3 years. The Rams had moved to a more pass oriented offense so he didn't fit their style any more.Quote:
Originally Posted by BurghBoy412
Too expensive for the risk/reward.
I blame this all on Jarvis Jones. If he'd have actually panned out this team could've started addressing the secondary much earlier. All of this could've been avoided.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
Jesus F'ing Christ you're right and I'm wrong. LalalaQuote:
Originally Posted by SteelerFanInStl
Bettis was just not a good fit for the Rams at this time.He was a great fit for the steelers and Cowherball!
The Rams coach also was pi**ed off after Bettis pulled a Le'VeonQuote:
Originally Posted by SteelerFanInStl
Bettis was a Pro Bowler his first two seasons with the Los Angeles Rams, topping 1,000 yards both seasons. But Bettis got on Brooks' bad side with a training camp holdout. He didn't miss any regular-season games before finally reporting — without the new contract he wanted — but [Rams coach Rich] Brooks still took it personally.
Fifteen years later, it still rankles Bettis, one of the friendliest pro athletes you'll ever meet.
"It was a frustrating season because I came in after a holdout, and it was something that me and management were dealing with," Bettis told the Post-Dispatch last week. "But Brooks held it against me as if I did something to him...
"Each week he would pull me out of the football game after I performed fairly well. He would yank me. He did that the majority of the season until I hurt my foot."
Rams sealed the deal by drafting ... wait for it ... Lawrence Phillips with the #6 pick in the first round then moving Bettis on 2016 draft day. :der:
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/footb...7f2cd682d.html
Jesus F'ing Christ!! You're right I'm wrong lalalaQuote:
Originally Posted by SteelerFanInStl
After Ben made his retirement talk, the next day he was in Todd Haley's office game planning for the 2017 season.Quote:
Originally Posted by BurghBoy412
He's just being over dramatic, Ben isn't going anywhere for the next 2 years, I feel confident in that.
For Christ's sake I get it. I didn't know my history well enough. I was like 10 f'ing years old when they traded for the Bus.Quote:
Originally Posted by AtlantaDan
2 years is a very very small window. That's all I was saying for God's sake!Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackAndGold
I think it is worse than that. Jones was just the wrong pick from the get-go. It was a shortsighted attempt by the team to add a pass-rusher and try and get one last round-up with the old gang. The rebuild/tear down should've started that year.Quote:
Originally Posted by BurghBoy412
How much better would this team be right now, if Desmond Trufant or Xavier Rhodes would've been the pick that year in the first round? But no.....they went with the edge rusher with piss poor combine numbers, no real measurables, and some of the most inflated college stats you would ever want to see.
Steelers already just burned $7 mil a year on the new tight end, this team can't afford Haden
This team can't afford to start Cockrell as well. Oh well I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by st33lersguy
To clarify I want to make clear my :der: in my Bettis post was not directed at you but the brain dead Rams head coach at the timeQuote:
Originally Posted by BurghBoy412
:drink:
No man, it is I who was "brain dead" on that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by AtlantaDan
Anytime you miss on a first round pick it screws up future drafts because you need to redraft for that position after assuming you had fixed it for at least 5 years by using picks you had planned to use on other needs you deferredQuote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
The worst is a swing and a miss on a high first round QB pick since if you hit on that you usually are good at the position for a decade
The steelers for the moment have only missed 1 first round pick in this decade, so it's not bad, especially that 2013 were an awful draft in general.Of course, this draft had good players, but this is the case for every drafts, but the quantity was very thin
Yeah I get that he has been injured the last 2 seasons. If the thought is he will hit waivers, then for sure don't make any trades and try to negotiate. I hope we pick up someone who can outplay Ross and we can improve our secondary before the NE game.