To reiterate what LLT has said...the attempts at thread hijacking end NOW. We will NOT have this thread turn into yet another pointless political flame war. Consider this your final warning.
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To reiterate what LLT has said...the attempts at thread hijacking end NOW. We will NOT have this thread turn into yet another pointless political flame war. Consider this your final warning.
Sorry bout that.Quote:
Originally Posted by LLT
And XT I wasn't flaming anybody
What I asked has about as much to do with building the mosque as what Christians did hundreds if not thousands of years ago. IMO
If someone would have told me on Sept 12 , 2001 , one day after the attacks that a mosque may be bulit 2 blocks from the World Trade Center and the our President is all for it , I would have called him and the President nuts !!! Nine years later , here we are .
Oh it just gets better and better folks.
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Greek Orthodox leaders trying to rebuild the only church destroyed in the Sept. 11 terror attacks expressed shock this week after learning, via Fox News, that government officials had killed a deal to relocate the church.
This just pisses me off no end ! :mad2:Quote:
Though talks between the church and the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey stalled last year, church leaders say they've been trying to kick-start discussions ever since. But amid debate over whether a proposed Islamic community center should go forward near Ground Zero, government officials threw cold water on the prospect of any deal with the church -- telling Fox News the deal is off the table.
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...o-church-dead/
But I didn't bring up anything from hundreds or thousands of years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mach1
And my posts about radical Christians was only in response to Zu saying that, except for a few wackos, there are no Christian terrorists groups today.
It's all off topic though, and I'm tired of repeating myself.
Huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by zulater
This is something I don't agree with either at all. But even though it angers me, it doesn't change my stance on the community center being built. I just think the politics in NY (and much of the rest of the country) suck.Quote:
Originally Posted by 7SteelGal43
I hope they can go on and get their church rebuilt though...it just seems that they're going to have to get it done on their own now instead of getting funds from the Port Authority to get it rebuilt. I'm not sure what all the details of that are though.
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The archdiocese and Port Authority now offer sharply conflicting accounts of where things went wrong. The Port Authority has previously claimed the church was making additional demands -- like wanting the $20 million up front and wanting to review plans for the surrounding area. They say the church can still proceed on its own if it wishes.
"The church continues to have the right to rebuild at their original site, and we will pay fair market value for the underground space beneath that building," a spokesperson with the Port Authority told Fox News.
I do tend to ramble sometimes. :chuckle:Quote:
Originally Posted by ricardisimo
It all makes sense in my head though, trust me.
Muslims in Manhattan say they need a place to pray
there's plenty of space in iraq, pakistan, saudi arabia, egypt, etc...Quote:
NEW YORK (Reuters) – Muslims in lower Manhattan who have prayed in a crowded basement or in the streets say they are not looking for confrontation with opponents of a new mosque. They simply need the space.
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Some Muslims say they understand why people might be upset and support an attempt by Governor David Paterson to move the project to a less emotionally-charged location.
"We need mosques, but anywhere but Ground Zero. It's going to be a problem all the time," said Sheikh Hossein, 42, an immigrant from Bangladesh.
"We want to pray peacefully. I don't want to pray and fight somebody else over the location. If this mosque is built here, every time there is terrorism, they are going to blame us," he said.
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The Masjid Manhattan, one of two mosques in the area, is four blocks from the World Trade Center but has gone largely unnoticed. A door with a modest sign "MASJID" -- Arabic for mosque -- leads from the sidewalk to the prayer space below.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100818/pl_nm/us_usa_mosqueQuote:
Others like Madaha say relocation would be an insult. "If they move it, to me, it's a slap on religion," he said.
so lets insult the majority in order to appease the minority ... that sounds about right for this country.
1) It's not a mosque, which is no longer a minor point, and the fact that Fox News insists on calling it a mosque should tell us what the ulterior motives are in this debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by LLT
2) It's a free country, and you can question if the sky is up. But why was everyone copacetic with this for the first several years it was on the table, and how and why did Rupert Murdoch's people so easily turn this into a life-or-death issue?
3) I've seen very little blasting, other than Vinny's comments towards Muslims and Islam. I will always be quick to point out hypocrisy, and that's what a lot of this debate is: Christian hypocrisy. Pointing out perceived hypocrisy is not "blasting", though.
4) It would appear that a large segment of the Republican Party is becoming more and more naive as well. Kudos to them.
Why would non-Fundamentalists build a shrine for Fundamentalist Muslims? Mind you, that fellow from Cordoba was accused of being in bed with Islamic Fundamentalists because he was critical of US policy in the Middle East. Well, I'm a critic of our Middle East policy... am I an Islamic Fundamentalist? He's clearly mainstream, but has an opinion on Palestine, Iraq and Afghanistan, which is perfectly within his rights, of course.
We should add another bullet here:
5) It's OK for the dominant religion to weigh in on minor religion decisions, provided there is enough of a media circus as a backdrop.
Fortunately for me, I've got my ramble-mumble babelfish inserted properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by SteelCityMom
Its sad MOP but its true. From Obamacare , Arizona and now the mosque , the majority loses out . Thankfully the majority will have a say in November.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
Then what is it? And Fox news is not the only news source calling it a Mosque; far from it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ricardisimo
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Originally Posted by TheWarDen86
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Modeled after a typical Young Men's Christian Association (YMCA) facility, it would include an auditorium, swimming pool and meeting rooms in addition to a prayer space. Organizers say they oppose Islamist extremism.
Think of it as a more bearded version of the YMCAQuote:
Originally Posted by TheWarDen86
:sofunny:Quote:
Originally Posted by JonM229
Hey look there guys - problem solved!
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
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Originally Posted by JonM229
All of a sudden it's a YMCA??? Riiiight.
:coffee:
I thank you for the correction. I was going by memory, and all I really remembered was that these were no backwoods yokels, but rather bored and spoiled rich kids from our client states. That there were no Kuwaitis doesn't change that, and as Tony mentioned, these "devout Muslims" were boozing and whoring it up just before the attacks.Quote:
Originally Posted by LLT
I have no doubt that religion played some part in their motivations, but these dopes were radicalized politically rather than religiously, and again, their voiced objections were not to our Christianity nor Judaism but rather to our having troops stationed in their countries. None of that is affected whether or not there was a Kuwaiti aboard.
Please do note, for future reference in other threads: not a single Afghan nor Iraqi among the lot of them.
General shit-stirring and division politics are always useful. This is no exception. Whenever something like this is in the headlines (as opposed to bill after bill after bill in the House or Senate which are screwing American workers, for example) our Spidey-senses should be tingling... some bait-and-switch is going on, fo' shizzle.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheWarDen86
Then why do we need the islamic gay bar next door?Quote:
Originally Posted by JonM229
"You Mecca Me Hot" :bounce::rofl2::sofunny::dance:
Hahaha. I guess that would be pretty redundant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vincent
Even those leader who have addressed it publicly have referred to it as a Mosque. I'm not buying the YMCA thing all of a sudden. Maybe if it been that way from the get go, and this has been around for weeks now. Like you said, "bait and switch."Quote:
Originally Posted by ricardisimo
Still the best post of this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonM229
It's sadly that simple.
I thought it was meaningless since it applies to all sides of religion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shea
Precisely the point of that post, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheWarDen86
Not sure. It was posted by Jon.Quote:
Originally Posted by ricardisimo
I got mad knowledge.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheWarDen86
And yes, I was applying it to all religions.
yeah, same difference really.Quote:
Originally Posted by ricardisimo
i definitely do buy into zulaters theory that they were also confused and frustrated with repressed homosexuality, who probably sucked eachother off the nights leading up to the attacks.
Of what??? Bats???Quote:
Originally Posted by JonM229
*snicker*
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Originally Posted by TheWarDen86
Technically, it's more of a community center than a Mosque...but I can understand people referring to it as both I guess. While there is a Mosque area inside the building...the entire building itself is not being used as a Mosque.
There will be a 500 seat performing arts auditorium, meeting rooms and a banquet hall, basketball courts, a pool, interfaith prayer areas, a cultural center among other things. All areas that anyone can go into.