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Originally Posted by Voice of Reason
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That probably deserves its own thread...Quote:
Originally Posted by Voice of Reason
It's going to take quite a bit more than that for Steelers fans to still be talking about Pickett as "the one that got away" 40 years from now like they do Marino.Quote:
Originally Posted by Voice of Reason
Kenny Pickett was traded? First I heard of it. You would think there would be more discussion about that around here.
Totally agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by oneforthetoe
I think we desperately need to start some more new Kenny Pickett threads to bring much-needed attention to this overlooked fact.
I think it's only natural people are still going to be talking about Kenny for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by hawaiiansteeler
He can surpass Marino in one season by winning a Super Bowl.Quote:
Originally Posted by fansince'76
Absolutely 100% correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Voice of Reason
I always argue the point of Trent Dilfer being a better QB than Dan Marino by that same argument. Nobody ever agrees with me, but that's just because they aren't as smart as I am. They don't realize that the other 52 players on the team are just irrelevant when compared to the importance of the QB position.
Just win baby!
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Another awful take....and unless a miracle the only way Pickett will win the super bowl,it will be with a 2000 Ravens caliber defense who gave up only 10 PPG in the regular season or less come playoffs time or he won as backup QBQuote:
Originally Posted by Voice of Reason
I think Tony Banks is a better quarterback than Dan Marino. He was Dilfer's backup and he has a Super Bowl ring too.Quote:
Originally Posted by lipps83
If we just had Wilson's production last year, we would have been the #12 offense vs #28.
Not sure how anyone can't be happy with having Russell under center this season instead of Kenny.
Because Russell was not good enough to reverse the fortunes of the Broncos. They were garbage, but now they were garbage with a anchor contract. The Broncos team had Wilson's production the last two seasons and were completely willing to eat his contract just so he couldn't play there anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by hawaiiansteeler
At least with Kenny, you have an evaluating on him with Arthur Smith before thinking on moving on. You're getting a finished product in Wilson and are hinging everything on him finding a 2008-Kurt Warner resurgence this season. If he doesn't. Well, your next option is Justin Fields, hoping he's not another Trubisky, and early reports aren't encouraging on him. That's why people aren't stoked. We're throwing stuff at free agents HOPING they'll be good, instead of seeing if they guy we drafted is good.
I warned dudes that the grass isn't greener on the other side. Many times teams sign an "upgrade" only to find out he isn't all that and it puts them into another wasted season.
It will please a few people on here (mainly 2-3) if Wilson flops this year. They’ll say it won’t but it really will. It’s as bad as dwins wanting Kenny to fail.
If you search my posts over the last few years, I was never very high on KP. I thought he had potential but also had weaknesses in his game. That said, his one game after Canada was fired showed a very different KP. Sure, there were no TDs, but that's due to a multitude of factors. The fact is we saw a very different KP that game. Then, he got injured and after that, never had a chance to get back in and compete last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by hawaiiansteeler
So, while I was not as high on KP as many of you, I'm also not as down on KP as many of you are now. I think he still has plenty of potential and can be a decent to good QB in this league for several years. By comparison, Wilson has only a few years left at most, and then we're right back in the same situation. Only at that point, our star safety and LBer will be aging out, so there'll be even less room for error if we want to win a game.
My being down on the decision to bring in Wilson really has nothing to do with him or his capability. If he takes the team to the SB this year, I'll be ecstatic. But unless we win the SB, I don't think the tradeoff was worth it when combined with everything mentioned above.
There was never a clear evaluation of Kenny other than the game after Canada got fired. Once Kenny was healthy, he should’ve returned to the line up. Playoff game or not. He was the best chance they had to win that game and if he was the guy, he should’ve come right back to his job when healthy. Clearly the organization wasn’t sure what to do and went with the somewhat warm hand of Rudolph which in turn failed…just as Kenny may have but you would’ve gotten to see Kenny in the real offense once again and under pressure. Maybe he fails, maybe he doesn’t…but going with Rudolph, who we all know what he is, crapped up the situation even more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craic
i disagree, there might be a few i told you so’s but no one here will be happy, were all steeler fans here, in spite of the differences of opinion, except Willy of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
except I didnt want him to fail , I just knew he was gonna ... but no point getting caught up in the semanticsQuote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
I don’t think anyone has ever rooted or hoped a specific player would fail. Just made predictions based on the available evidence.
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Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
I think you're both wrong. There are definitely people on this board who would be really satisfied with Wilson flopping and Fields being a bust.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
I agree. I would bet voice of treason would rather see KP succeed than Wilson or Fields. Which makes zero sense. We as fans have zero impact on who plays QB for the Steelers or if Tomlin is the HC. As a fan you root for the team put on the field. I question Tomlins clock management and challenges every game but if you watch any team for 17 games I’d do the same. I certainly don’t question Tomlin changing OC and QBs from last year. It’s what you do when you have worst offense in the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
I agree. There are definitely quite a few “I told you so” people here that would love nothing more than to celebrate their “knowledge”. There’s also a few that aren’t really fans of the team but come around and act like they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
The scenario that Wilson fails, Hurts gets injured and Pickett plays well would make a few “fans” very happy…fire Tomlin thread would get a nice bump too!!
I can only speak for myself. I’ve definitely taken more than one “told ya” lap on Trubisky and KP.
I’m extremely pessimistic on BOTH Wilson and Fields. Although, I totally admit that Fields is the exact type of QB prospect I’d be raving about in a draft. I just think either he’s dumb or lazy. Only way I can explain how bad he is on the field.
Anyways, posting told you is more of me trying to give everyone crap but it doesn’t mean I was rooting for Trubisky or KP to fail.
Your posts are always fair and logical (to a fault). I never get the idea that you would rather the Steelers fail if it makes you right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
That makes sense and thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
I guess I have a hard time wrapping my head around people wanting the team or a specific player to fail....but just because I don't understand something doesn't make it not true! There are all kinds.
Different tutelage should definitely define if Fields is just one that doesn't get it or can get it. It's Trubisky ll with more talent. I know all Steelers fans hopes he gets it. We'll be singing praises or throwing him on the trash heap with Trubisky. Wilson should be a definite upgrade unless father time has him on a sharp decline now. JMHO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edman
Stop projecting. Just because YOU are happy because you think that a Steeler QB you didn't like failed doesn't mean the rest of us will be.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
Another guy projecting. They have no idea that these posts are telling us more about them than about us.Quote:
Originally Posted by cubanstogie
I agree. And they've been "celebrating their knowledge" here just about every day since Kenny was traded.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
It's interesting how the Kenny-bashers and Wilson supporters here have been spending so much time thinking about how they're going to respond to the Kenny supporters if the Kenny supporters turn out to be right. Their guy Wilson hasn't even failed yet, but they've already got a strategy about how they're going to react on the board if he does. :boink:
Am I wrong? It’s obvious you want Wilson to fail and KP succeed. You didn’t make the trade or sign Wilson or give Tomlin extension. Not sure why you took upgrades so personally. Our offense sucked last year and the team went other direction. Life continued when AB , James Harrison, ju ju and Leveon left and they were actually productive. We got more out of Artie Burns than KP. Im sorry for your loss. Hopefully you’ll be done mourning soon and move on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Voice of Reason
Who is "us"? You and Edman?Quote:
Originally Posted by Voice of Reason
I have the feeling that the KP debate will last as long as the Marino one has.
Just my thoughts/opinions…The 49ers currently have an offensive system which can be ran successfully with a ‘lesser than’ QB. By that I mean a QB that is content to play within the confines of the system. Even if there is a better play, he stays within the system/play called. This is and has been a limited time type of offense. Defenses will catch up.
It is similar to how Canada ran the offense(only much better). Smith will run a ‘tight’ offensive system also. The QB running it will be key. Maybe Justin Fields can succeed.
Ben could not and would not succeed since he likes to expand the system being called. He would play outside the plays called and create. This would not work with the current 49ers. I think it can succeed with Russ. Unknown with Fields.
We should plan on another 1st round QB in the 2025 draft.
how is it going to work with Wilson? Seems in denver he couldnt or wouldnt work within the confines of a system. Why would it be different here if we put him in a strict Arthur Smith system? Wilson at least needs to be able audible, actually i think smith ought to put together a set number of plays and let wilson call themQuote:
Originally Posted by Born2Steel
That seems to be the question. Just how strict is Smith's offense going to be with Wilson, and/or is Wilson willing to work within that framework. I don't think Smith's offense will be as strictly controlled as Payton's is in Denver. That is just me projecting, but I don't think it will be. Smith runs a lot of different plays from the same formations and personnel. This should allow for a veteran QB room to play within the system. In TN Smith had a veteran QB and success. In Atlanta he had a rookie and not much success. Wilson is a veteran so I'm optimistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
Only if he lights it up his entire career on another team. Oh, wait, then it'd be more of a Johnny Unitas discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Born2Steel
ill add that Wilson hasn't played behind a good o line in like forever. And now we should have a good defense to give them the ball back. I think hes got much more support here than in denver or the last couple years in seattle. Im optimistic for this season, after that, probably have to go back to the well to find a new QbQuote:
Originally Posted by Born2Steel
if he sits on the bench the whole season and does nothing it'll all be forgotten. I still think it was a hasty move letting him go but oh well - time to move on. Maybe part of it was him losing the confidence of his teammates, they definitely seemed to prefer MRQuote:
Originally Posted by Craic
This is the basis of projection. Because YOU want players you don't like to fail, you just assume that everybody else feels the same way that you do. There are several people like this on this board.Quote:
Originally Posted by cubanstogie
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"Us" is the rest of the board.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
[QUOTE=Voice of Reason;860216]This is the basis of projection. Because YOU want players you don't like to fail, you just assume that everybody else feels the same way that you do. There are several people like this on this board.
Wrong again! KP is no longer a Steeler. I rooted for him harder than anyone last year. Even thought he could progress and become solid QB possibly. He’s gone so I don’t have to keep praying and rooting for a guy who threw a TD every other game. The only time I’ll root against him is it’s against Steelers or affects them, could care less in other games. Although if he ever starts I’ll bet the under every time since he can’t put points up.
[QUOTE=cubanstogie;860221]Same would go for TJ. He's a fan favorite and deserves that. If he asked to be traded and went to the Eagles, the rooting for him would stop. Steelers first fandom does not mean we dislike/hate players when they leave, we just don't really care if they succeed or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Voice of Reason