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Ric, I will entertain your mindless athiesm and anarchy in civil debate, but don't ever equate Christianity to islam on any level, and certainly do not suggest in any way that Christianity is a violent religion. That is offensive beyond words and illustrates your appalling ignorance of the subject in general.Quote:
Originally Posted by ricardisimo
You should probably read this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Vincent
Why is Ethnocentrism Bad?
Ethnocentrism leads us to make false assumptions about cultural differences. We are ethnocentric when we use our cultural norms to make generalizations about other peoples' cultures and customs. Such generalizations -- often made without a conscious awareness that we've used our culture as a universal yardstick -- can be way off base and cause us to misjudge other peoples. Ethnocentrism can lead to cultural misinterpretation and it often distorts communication between human beings.
Please forgive my mindlessness. I had imagined that since it was OK to equate Islam with Satanism, that it was likewise permissible to point out that both religions are evangelical in nature (they are) and that both have extremely bloody histories - although one bloodier than the other, to be sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vincent
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Come on man, there are ALL KINDS of incidents in the history of the Christian religion that say otherwise. While I do agree with you on some level about Islam being a violent religion, there is NO shortage of brutality and bloodshed from many who professed to be Christians. This is one of the myriad of reasons why I am no fan of organized religion, even though I do believe in God.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vincent
As for this "mosque" at/near Ground Zero, I do not support it in any way, shape or form. But at the same time, there isn't anything that can be done to stop its construction other than the protests getting so loud that the proponents will look for another building far away from Lower Manhattan, which ultimately I hope they do. If it does get built, then someone should open up a rib smokehouse next door so that they have to deal with the smell of roasting pork all day, every day.
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Originally Posted by JonM229
Interesting article. I know I had never heard anything about this before May.
I also never heard about Muslims praying INSIDE the Pentagon (did someone already bring this up already???)...which is an attached story in your article.
http://www.salon.com/news/politics/w...trate_pentagonQuote:
Why did no one object to the "Pentagon mosque"?
Muslims have been praying inside the Pentagon since Sept. 11 but right-wingers have been strangely silent
Navy imam Chaplain Abuhena M. Saifulislam lifted his voice to God as he called to prayer more than 100 Department of Defense employees Monday at a celebration of Ramadan at the Pentagon.
God is most great, sang the lieutenant commander and Islamic leader, in Arabic, as iftar — the end of the daily fast began.
Uniformed military personnel, civilians and family members faced Mecca and knelt on adorned prayer rugs chanting their prayers in quiet invocation to Allah.
....they've already wonQuote:
Originally Posted by SteelCityMom
What I said was that islam is satanic. I did not equate it with satanism. The former is of satan. The latter worships satan. There's a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by ricardisimo
The difference being most of the violent episodes done in the name of Christianity occured several centuries ago ( save a lone nut here and there) while multiple attrocities are being commited in the name of Allah daily throughout the world. I challenge you to find a day any time in the last 5 years where some Muslim nut didn't blow up or execute innocents in the name of his god.Quote:
Originally Posted by X-Terminator
The difference here is so big you could drive a fleet of semi's through it.
Mom and I beat that one to death a month or so ago. Here I took issue with Ric's overt taunt that islam and Christianity are both...Quote:
Originally Posted by X-Terminator
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Originally Posted by ricardisimo
you live amongst muslims. i dont have any mosques in my town. pity you.Quote:
Originally Posted by venom
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This is factually incorrectQuote:
Originally Posted by Vincent
It doesn't matter to me when they were committed, the fact is that they were. Therefore, Christians cannot claim that their religion is superior to any other. I am a Christian, but I'm also a realist.Quote:
Originally Posted by zulater
from what i've found, thats not kosher on this board with the abundance of uber-right wing patrons. that just makes you a liberal and a communist.Quote:
Originally Posted by X-Terminator
http://www.steelersuniverse.com/foru...ine=1275533214
Attrocities commited hundreds of years ago are the same as crimes being commited currently on a daily basis? Right.:der:Quote:
Originally Posted by X-Terminator
complete twisted spin of what was said. totally not in context.Quote:
Originally Posted by zulater
Ok let me get this right, we're going to equate attrocities commited in the name of god back in the day when science was mostly a rumor, when people had no reason to believe the sun didn't orbit the earth, when medical treatment for illness consisted of bleeding out your bad blood, that thought bathing and fresh air were dangerous to one's well being. we're going to equate the acts of those ignorant beings with the daily blood letting currently being done in the name of allah? Yeah, ok, makes perfect sense to me.
you give to much credit to the dune dwellers for being educated. plus you have condemn me while turning a blind eye towards your right wing brother, and have already had personal attacks removed towards another in this thread.
at this point i could really care less about your null and void opinion on this matter, or what makes PERFECT sense to you. only those who you deem as perfect such as yourself will you understand.
I read it in perfect context tony. We're trying to equate attrocities commited by christians centuries ago with the daily blood letting down by todays radical Islamics. supposedly christians have no moral highground. well I'm agnostic, so I have no dog in the fight, and I'll tell you anyone who subscribes to that theory is barking mad.Quote:
Originally Posted by tony hipchest
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Originally Posted by zulater
Yeah...they weren't all centuries ago, and they're not only committed by lone nuts today.
Vince is correct in saying that we beat this topic to death before, but the end result was basically this....those that commit atrocities in the name of God (Christian God) are just not true Christians and don't represent true Christianity, so the Christian faith cannot be held responsible for it. Something like that. But the Islamic faith I guess is to blame when radical Muslims twist the words of the Qur'an to fit their agendas.
As an aside...If any one of these people had their way, you'd better believe there'd be some atrocities in the name of God right here in America.
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Pat Buchanan:
Our culture is superior. Our culture is superior because our religion is Christianity and that is the truth that makes men free.
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David Chilton:
The god of Judaism is the devil. The Jew will not be recognized by God as one of His chosen people until he abandons his demonic religion and returns to the faith of his fathers - the faith which embraces Jesus Christ and His Gospel.
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Ann Coulter:
We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war.
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Jerry Falwell:
If we are going to save America and evangelize the world, we cannot accommodate secular philosophies that are diametrically opposed to Christian truth.
and many more...http://www.skepticism.info/quotes/ar...sm_index.shtmlQuote:
D. James Kennedy:
This is our land. This is our world. This is our heritage, and with God's help, we shall reclaim this nation for Jesus Christ. And no power on earth can stop us.
I realize many are not, Wahabism thrives on fanning the flames of the ignorant. But at the same token all the 9-11 murderers had a good understanding of how the real world works and chose to ignore it anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by tony hipchest
All of thisQuote:
Originally Posted by SteelCityMom
Mom what would you guess the numbers to be in a time frame such as in the last decade for murders commited in the name of a Chrsitian god to those commited in the name of Allah? I'd wager that the numbers stack up several hundred to one, no make that several thousand to one in favor of the present day radical Islamics as compared to todays radical Christians. so it's really a bullshit point you make in my opinion. It would be like me being more worried about getting run over by cow on the interstate than a motor vehicle because a hundred years ago many settlers got trampled by some raging buffalo.Quote:
Originally Posted by SteelCityMom
sorry I'm not trying to be mean, but it's a ridiculous comparison.
Hundreds of years ago? Are you serious? There are Christians committing atrocities TODAY. SteelCityMom posted a number of them in a thread last month.Quote:
Originally Posted by zulater
Regardless, you completely missed the point. The point is that before those who are Christians attack Islam for being a violent religion, they should take a look at their own back yard first. There is a LOT of blood on the hands of Christians the same as it is for Islam.
Jesus ... :rolleyes2:
What happened to being the "supposed" higher educated and civilized society that we think we are, compared to "them"? After reading some of the posts here and I'm not so sure anymore.
There's a lot of prejudiced people on here that need to quit pointing fingers and take a long look in the mirror instead.
It's not proposed to be built on the actual site of where the two towers were, actually it looks to be a respectful distance from there.
Why not be better than the extremists? Why lump a whole religion because of the minority? And why not allow and honor the Mosque and show the world we are about peace and exceptance?
It's long past time to heal some much needed wounds, and I think this would be a step in that direction.
I say build it!
Lets all just try to 'one-up' every atrocity thats ever happened. This has gotten stupid. Peace.
that sounds like WWJD and is not to be tolerated by these religious republicans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shea
Last decade, murders commited in the name of a christian god as compared to those commited in the name of allah? You think it's even remotely close?Quote:
Originally Posted by X-Terminator
Nobody is painting muslims per se, anything. It is islam that is being confronted in this debate for what it is and being painted accordingly. The silver lining to this cloud is the outrage of even suggesting that something even vaguely islam be built anywhere near Ground Zero. islam has again angered a sleeping giant. Whether that giant does anything about remains to be seen. One can hope.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
The enemy is islam. muslims are among its victims. Personally, I’d like to minimize the number of victims, and certainly not be among them.
The precepts of islam foment radicalism. “imams” stand in front of muslims and advocate violence. muslims run with it. The violence has manifested itself in at least 13,000 terrorist attacks since 9/11. islam is satanic.
The motive behind the mosque is obvious. islam’s strategists understand the weakness of our open secular society and how to use that weakness against us. If there’s another silver lining to this cloud, perhaps it will be the awakening of the giant to confront the enemy within – liberalism.
One side of this debate sees it for what it is, as articulated by the Brit in the video. He warns us from the standpoint of having seen the scourge of islam to his own country. The other side has had their brains systematically deconstructed by “education” and can’t. Simple relationships elude the liberal mind.
Can a non-muslim even enter mecca or medina? No. The liberal will say “You can’t make that comparison. That’s a different country altogether”. The same liberal will argue that “religious freedom” not only guarantees that that bigotry can coexist within in our country, but actually defends the movement to “make America sharia compliant”, completely oblivious to the affront sharia is to liberalism. It’s spectacular to watch, really.
The sane among us argue against islam because we understand their agenda for our country, and don’t want any part of it. We recognize what islam has done to the open societies of Europe and don’t want to succumb to the fate that awaits them
I've already told you I'm agnostic. If John Lennon's song Imagine could come true that would work fine for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by tony hipchest
but at the same token I'm not blind or an idiot. To equate the token nut Christain that goes off the deep end or the lunatic fringe element like the David Koresh's or Jonestown cult types with the daily bloodletting that's going on throughout the world in the name of Allah, like I said before, find me a day, any day in the past 5 years where multiple murders aren't occuring in the name of allah and I'll let it rest.
What part of "Christians have a lot of blood on their hands and therefore can't put there religion above anyone else's" don't you understand? I'm not talking about numbers, I'm talking about the acts themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by zulater