Kenny Pickett traded to Eagles.

Kenny was winning games the same way Tim Tebow was winning games in 2011....Garbage for 55 minutes but the defense were able to keep the score down.But people who have some judgment know that it's not sustainable in the long run and you're never going to go far with 16 PPG even with luck on your side like crazy.

Even if Wilson and Fields are a failure, at least the Steelers are trying something else, since at least it's possible that it can work...Not the case with Kenny

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The Defense also gave up a 99 yard touchdown drive to the Cardinals, got stonewalled by Kendrick Green, Made Bailey Zappe look all-world, and was destroyed by Gardner Minshew. They still cannot stop the run, and they also did nothing in the playoffs yet again. If we need to move on from mediocrity then its time for this Defense to hit the road. They have not delivered anything but excuses.

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The steelers were 1-7 with Kenny as starter since 2022 when they gave up 20 points or more in a game....Their only win was against the Browns when the defense had 2 defensive TD

How many of those games was Canada the OC?

We didn’t help our offense out at all with that guy calling plays.

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And never let go…….lol

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How many of those games was Canada the OC?

We didn’t help our offense out at all with that guy calling plays.

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honestly tho its a chicken or the egg debate ...

what we do know for sure is Canada sucks

what we also know is KP8 showed very little and even in College it took him until his 5th year to look like he might be an NFL player but at that point in time he was a man among boys per say ... 18-19-20 year olds and he was 23 his ceiling was likely reached or close to it

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I think everyone should take a break. Go outside. Have a drink. Look at some butts. Pet a dog. Whatever floats your boat.

Y’all are teetering on the edge of the deep end.

There’s far more things in this world that are worth getting upset over.

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or read all free agency grades from different sites and seeing all the positive marks the Steelers got with the Wilson and Queen signings. Nothing like reading “experts” analyses to make you feel better and maybe believe it was a good move after all and Kenny will end up being just an afterthought.

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You agree now that he needs some time and coaching?

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What do you mean "agree now"? That's what I've been saying all along. And time and coaching are exactly what he didn't get with the Steelers.

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The team needs to move on from mediocrity sooner than it has historically.

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I agree. But whenever I say that about the head coach I get accused of hating Tomlin and hating the Steelers.

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believing that "Kenny" is the reason we went 7-4 during his starts is laughable ...

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When a statistic is not in Kenny's favor it is ABSOLUTE PROOF that Kenny is a bad QB. Saying anything else is just making excuses, the numbers don't lie.

When a statistic is in Kenny's favor, 1,001 excuses why the statistic means nothing come out of you guy's asses.:poop:

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Kenny was winning games the same way Tim Tebow was winning games in 2011....

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So now there's a bad way to win games? Kenny was a bad QB because he wasn't winning games the right way???

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Even if Wilson and Fields are a failure, at least the Steelers are trying something else, since at least it's possible that it can work...Not the case with Kenny

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And apparently there's also now a good way to lose games. Whether games are actually won or lost is irrelevant. The great thing about this "logic" is that even if what you guys advocated doing turns out to be a total disaster, you can still claim you were "right". :willy:

Have the Eagles figured out that One-Read Hurts isn't that great?

I haven’t heard any AFC North coaches say how glad they are to have Kenny out of the division.

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Have the Eagles figured out that One-Read Hurts isn't that great?

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I think that is what the 2nd half of last season was all about.

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I haven’t heard any AFC North coaches say how glad they are to have Kenny out of the division.

https://apple.news/AIfGb8LVvSOmsUVyMaAthbA

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Other than a couple no name reporters, Tom Brady wasn't mentioned by any AFC east coaches when he left. Your point is?

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Other than a couple no name reporters, Tom Brady wasn't mentioned by any AFC east coaches when he left. Your point is?

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My point is that AFCN coaches aren’t glad to see him go. But you already knew my point.

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When a statistic is not in Kenny's favor it is ABSOLUTE PROOF that Kenny is a bad QB. Saying anything else is just making excuses, the numbers don't lie.

When a statistic is in Kenny's favor, 1,001 excuses why the statistic means nothing come out of you guy's asses.:poop:

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That’s what the haters do…they dwell and steer their narrative, ignoring anything else. A lot of times, some haven’t even watched him (or comparisons) actually play…

At the end of year one I thought Kenny was the franchise quarterback for the next 10 years. But all year I saw a lot of bad traits, many of which had nothing to do with Canada. My position changed. Apparently so did the position of those who saw him in practice every day.

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At the end of year one I thought Kenny was the franchise quarterback for the next 10 years. But all year I saw a lot of bad traits, many of which had nothing to do with Canada. My position changed. Apparently so did the position of those who saw him in practice every day.

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We all understand that and get that.

The only problem is the same guys that watched Pickett and all the other quarterbacks thought Trubisky was the best of the bunch to start in 2022. Those same eyes watched Rudolph for 6 years and believed he was the worst quarterback on the roster.

That's where the issue is and why there are doubts about decisions made on quarterbacks. Hopefully, there are new people involved in the process that are helping to make determinations on quarterback play and players in general.

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We all understand that and get that.

The only problem is the same guys that watched Pickett and all the other quarterbacks thought Trubisky was the best of the bunch to start in 2022. Those same eyes watched Rudolph for 6 years and believed he was the worst quarterback on the roster.

That's where the issue is and why there are doubts about decisions made on quarterbacks. Hopefully, there are new people involved in the process that are helping to make determinations on quarterback play and players in general.

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I think it was more about not wanting to throw Pickett to the wolves too soon. And who knows, Trubisky might be a great practice player. Some guys just can’t get it up in real action.

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I think it was more about not wanting to throw Pickett to the wolves too soon. And who knows, Trubisky might be a great practice player. Some guys just can’t get it up in real action.

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Maybe, but it's more than just that. Not recognizing that Canada was wasting everybody's time with an inept and limited offensive scheme was troubling. That should have been recognized much earlier and the decision to get him out the door should have happened much earlier.

I think Trubisky definitely plays better in practice, but it is obvious that he can't read coverages and routinely throws the ball into coverage in games when there is more deception in scheme and coverages. But again, a top-notch offensive coach would have been able to figure that out much quicker. I'm also sure that Matt Canada not having that much direct contact with his quarterbacks was an issue as well. When an OC talks to you, they are asking you what you saw when you ran a particular play against a teams defense. The answers he got would have told him which quarterbacks weren't seeing things as they should or going to the right places with the ball. Getting certain coverages and reading those defenses should dictate where the quarterbacks eyes should be going and where the ball should go. I'm just not sure that Canada was even capable of that, and not spending a ton of time with them and working with the quarterbacks directly certainly isn't going to help him figure things out.

Again, maybe they are relying more on Khan, Weidl, and Arthur Smith. Maybe they are getting more input from scouts. All I know is that I hope the people in charge are seeing and doing the right things this time around.

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Maybe, but it's more than just that. Not recognizing that Canada was wasting everybody's time with an inept and limited offensive scheme was troubling. That should have been recognized much earlier and the decision to get him out the door should have happened much earlier.

I think Trubisky definitely plays better in practice, but it is obvious that he can't read coverages and routinely throws the ball into coverage in games when there is more deception in scheme and coverages. But again, a top-notch offensive coach would have been able to figure that out much quicker. I'm also sure that Matt Canada not having that much direct contact with his quarterbacks was an issue as well. When an OC talks to you, they are asking you what you saw when you ran a particular play against a teams defense. The answers he got would have told him which quarterbacks weren't seeing things as they should or going to the right places with the ball. Getting certain coverages and reading those defenses should dictate where the quarterbacks eyes should be going and where the ball should go. I'm just not sure that Canada was even capable of that, and not spending a ton of time with them and working with the quarterbacks directly certainly isn't going to help him figure things out.

Again, maybe they are relying more on Khan, Weidl, and Arthur Smith. Maybe they are getting more input from scouts. All I know is that I hope the people in charge are seeing and doing the right things this time around.

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Canada was an organizational failure, starting with Tomlin, then Khan and ultimately Rooney. The latter should have demanded his dismissal at the end of last year. That said, I was encouraged by the mid season firing that things were changing. I see the QB changes as more of the same type of positive change. In past years, they would have rode with Pickett another year of two. The NFL has changed. There's greater urgency to win. I think Tomlin's failures are more that of unmerited loyalty more than talent misevaluation. Do we honestly think that Tomlin couldn't figure out what the average fan knew? But he had a system and an infrastructure that he believed would change the situation, It didn't and they responded. Now we've had our most active offseason in history and it's met with many criticisms here. I'm simply not in the critic's crowd. Between Wilson and Fields, one or the other will get us where we haven't gone in 7-8 years. That's my belief and I'll stick to it until it fails on the field.

Was Mitch good in practice or are we bad at practicing? Seriously, how many times did you watch a game and say out loud “What do they do all week?”

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Maybe, but it's more than just that. Not recognizing that Canada was wasting everybody's time with an inept and limited offensive scheme was troubling. That should have been recognized much earlier and the decision to get him out the door should have happened much earlier.

I think Trubisky definitely plays better in practice, but it is obvious that he can't read coverages and routinely throws the ball into coverage in games when there is more deception in scheme and coverages. But again, a top-notch offensive coach would have been able to figure that out much quicker. I'm also sure that Matt Canada not having that much direct contact with his quarterbacks was an issue as well. When an OC talks to you, they are asking you what you saw when you ran a particular play against a teams defense. The answers he got would have told him which quarterbacks weren't seeing things as they should or going to the right places with the ball. Getting certain coverages and reading those defenses should dictate where the quarterbacks eyes should be going and where the ball should go. I'm just not sure that Canada was even capable of that, and not spending a ton of time with them and working with the quarterbacks directly certainly isn't going to help him figure things out.

Again, maybe they are relying more on Khan, Weidl, and Arthur Smith. Maybe they are getting more input from scouts. All I know is that I hope the people in charge are seeing and doing the right things this time around.

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There’s some potential reasons to believe they’re not demonstrating much learning:

1. Smith’s offense has succeeded when the passing game was focused on coming from under center, engaging in play action, and highly accurate throws between the hashes. Unfortunately that basically describes everything that Wilson hates doing and that Fields has not demonstrated any progress at.

2. The above passing game is married of a wide zone run game. Every time the Steelers have tried that; they’ve stunk at it and for the last 3 seasons reverted back to power and inside zone (or so I’ve been told).

So they’ve got a coordinator who wants to do X and Y and offense players best suited to A and B.


No cause for concern here. Did you hear that Wilson won a SB a decade ago?

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Canada was an organizational failure, starting with Tomlin, then Khan and ultimately Rooney. The latter should have demanded his dismissal at the end of last year. That said, I was encouraged by the mid season firing that things were changing. I see the QB changes as more of the same type of positive change. In past years, they would have rode with Pickett another year of two. The NFL has changed. There's greater urgency to win. I think Tomlin's failures are more that of unmerited loyalty more than talent misevaluation. Do we honestly think that Tomlin couldn't figure out what the average fan knew? But he had a system and an infrastructure that he believed would change the situation, It didn't and they responded. Now we've had our most active offseason in history and it's met with many criticisms here. I'm simply not in the critic's crowd. Between Wilson and Fields, one or the other will get us where we haven't gone in 7-8 years. That's my belief and I'll stick to it until it fails on the field.

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My post wasn't an ongoing criticism. I'm just identifying what went wrong. My sincere hope is that Wilson and particularly Fields plays well and can become a very good NFL quarterback going forward. Of course, it would be great if Russell Wilson plays his ass off and is able to play at a very high level that gets them a shot at another championship while Fields continues to learn and develop.

I know Wilson has limited years left, so my hopes really go towards Fields. He has immense physical talent. I thought he may have had the highest ceiling when he came out in the draft. Everyone was on the Trevor Lawrence is the greatest quarterback ever train, but I told people that I wouldn't be surprised if Fields ultimately turned out to be the best quarterback of that draft class. I based that on his physical traits, but I knew he was going to need to develop his football mind and get a crash course in reading defenses. I figured it would take some time, but we all know that nothing is guaranteed.

What we do know is that he is an elite talent. If Fields can learn to operate in an offense that fits his skillset perfectly like Smith's power running/play action style of offense, he will have a chance to let all that talent show itself if the light goes on. I like the kid personally. He's a good person from everything I have heard about him and I am hopeful that he can develop while learning to take better care of the football. If he can do that within this system, he can be a real weapon. If he is never able to process everything, his struggles will probably continue to some extent. The great news is that Arthur Smith's offense is exactly the kind of offense that Fields has a chance to excel. All it would take is some fine tuning to customize it to fit Fields' strengths and probably adding more designed plays to take advantage of his elite athleticism.

He still has a lot of work to do, but I would love to see the ultimate form of Justin Fields' game happen right here.

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There’s some potential reasons to believe they’re not demonstrating much learning:

1. Smith’s offense has succeeded when the passing game was focused on coming from under center, engaging in play action, and highly accurate throws between the hashes. Unfortunately that basically describes everything that Wilson hates doing and that Fields has not demonstrated any progress at.

2. The above passing game is married of a wide zone run game. Every time the Steelers have tried that; they’ve stunk at it and for the last 3 seasons reverted back to power and inside zone (or so I’ve been told).

So they’ve got a coordinator who wants to do X and Y and offense players best suited to A and B.


No cause for concern here. Did you hear that Wilson won a SB a decade ago?

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Don't forget that Smith's offense doesn't have to be a carbon copy here. He can do some things differently here. Just because Fields hasn't done a ton of it doesn't mean he can't do it well. It is an acquired skill, but it simplifies reads and theoretically gives him a chance at more 1-on-1 matchups on the outside for deep passing. That's why I believe it will still take some time with Fields, but you don't know what someone is good at something or not until they actually get to learn it and do it. It may be a strength of his once he is emersed in it.

I'm going to give it a chance to succeed, and I want to see it succeed.

I think it’s difficult for us on the outside to really know how much was Canadas fault and how much was KP’s. I do know a coach, coordinator or even a boss in the work world can kill morale in people below them. And that being a Qb is about being in sync and having confidence in the gameplan. It’s more than seeing X open and connecting or making the right reads in vacuum

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I think it’s difficult for us on the outside to really know how much was Canadas fault and how much was KP’s.

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Which is why I wanted to see what Kenny looked like with a different OC.

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Which is why I wanted to see what Kenny looked like with a different OC.

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I think that was most people’s feeling. Most…

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I think that was most people’s feeling. Most…

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I wanted to see it but not for 9-16 games if it wasn’t working. That was my fear, that he would be mediocre but still still have the clock reset due to the new OC. Everything happens for a reason. I think it worked out for the best.

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Don't forget that Smith's offense doesn't have to be a carbon copy here. He can do some things differently here. Just because Fields hasn't done a ton of it doesn't mean he can't do it well. It is an acquired skill, but it simplifies reads and theoretically gives him a chance at more 1-on-1 matchups on the outside for deep passing. That's why I believe it will still take some time with Fields, but you don't know what someone is good at something or not until they actually get to learn it and do it. It may be a strength of his once he is emersed in it.

I'm going to give it a chance to succeed, and I want to see it succeed.

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Quick response: totally agree. [emoji817]

Just pointing out that it’s possible it’s not all sunshine and unicorn farts.

Either way, I’m excited to watch.

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I haven’t heard any AFC North coaches say how glad they are to have Kenny out of the division.

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Not even Harbaugh who lost to Kenny the last two times he played them? :boink:

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Between Wilson and Fields, one or the other will get us where we haven't gone in 7-8 years.

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A losing season?