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Did the defense not score and set up the offense last year? Canada was a problem for sure, but a new OC isn't the ONLY reason for the improved offense. Trubisky is part of last year's QB room which you are trying to say is no worse than this year's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Voice of Reason
Honestly, if you can't look at the way Wilson runs an offense and see a vast improvement over the way Kenny or Mason runs one, I don't know what to tell you.
Actually, a number of people here have told me I was correct about various things in private messages and reputation notices. The reason most of them don't say it in actual posts is that they don't want to deal with all the BS they'd get from guys like you.Quote:
Originally Posted by cubanstogie
Yes, I agree with the rest of you that Trubisky was terrible and that all three members of this year's QB room are better than him. That's a given. When I am speaking of the comparison of last year's QB room with this year's I am mainly speaking of the swap in March where Pickett and Rudolph were replaced by Wilson and Fields.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
This year, up until the Bengals game I was not at all impressed by "the way Wilson runs an offense", since the only thing he seemed to want to do or was halfway good at was throwing a deep ball up for grabs and hoping that his guy came down with it. Against Cincinnati he changed that all around and began hitting accurate short passes in the middle of the field, and looked much better. If he can continue to do that against the better defenses that he will be playing in the latter part of the schedule I will revise my opinion of him upward.
This is a case where multiple things can be true at the same time.
1. 2023 KP and Rudolph and Trubisky were one of the worst QB groups in the league.
2. Fields running only and Wilson chucking moonballs only was an inefficient and difficult to sustain offense for 2024.
3. 2 is better than 1. Maybe not by much. But better.
All reasonable metrics sustain all 3 as true statements.
Scientific method and whatnot.
2 is MUCH better than 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
Not close in fact!Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
Scientific or not, that’s what the metrics/results show…Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
I wouldnt even attempt to compare the Qb’s between this year and last. I think the real discussion should be between this years offensive system and last years. But maybe thats not as fun.
It is the better question though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
I think there is whatever Canada was doing, 50 feet of sewage, the worst 3 offenses in NFL history, then some other current bad teams, league average, and kind around the high side of average you have 2024 Arthur Smith Steelers offense.
For instance, Smith runs rubs/picks in short yardage to create easy separation. Canada never had two players that coordinated in any single play he called in the entire time he was in Pittsburgh. Like, I literally forgot that teams could do that.
That all depends on what you're referring to.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
But yes, if you mean asian women then I wholeheartedly agree.
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Originally Posted by hawaiiansteeler
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Actually, you're right. But doing that wouldn't advance the "bash Kenny" narrative.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
Fields does not yet have the passing skills to be a top 10 QB. Right now he is going to the Russell Wilson QB College and hopefully he develops further. Fields can win some games if he has a good team around him, but if the defense or special teams is having a bad day chances are he is not orchestrating a come from behind victory.
I honestly dont think the moonballs Russ has throw are too exceptional, GP and Cal and others have made great cathes. Fields can throw down the field as well, has a pretty proven record of that. OL and playbook are the keys to any successful passning.
I am soooooo sold on Fields long-term. Still think he can be a Lamar light. Just imagine Fields with a working OL, a legit WR2, and togehter with Harris/Warren, Muuth, GP,
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I am not the least bit sold on Fields as a long term answer and think it is underestimating Russ to say he's not actually quarterbacking but only throwing moonballs downfield.
Fields would be the weak link?Quote:
Originally Posted by ncgjka
Steelers will need a Qb that can pass.
Fields is still a project after how many years in the league???
I agree with this. I will say that the same things I would complain about Fields passing, I used to complain about with Josh Allen. This season it looks like Allen finally 'got it'. So, the potential is there with Fields which makes it difficult to just let him walk away. I think he will be offered a backup role and backup money on a long term deal, with the possibility of becoming the starter. I don't know that he takes that though. He would be considered a better option than just about any other FA or draft prospect. Somebody is going to make him a starter offer. We'll see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
This year? Meaning he went from top 5 to top 2?Quote:
Originally Posted by Born2Steel
I don't understand the question. Are you asking about my complaint on Allen?Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
If so, he threw with the same heat from 2 yards and 20 yards. He had zero to very little touch on his passes. He had issues with turnovers because he threw short passes so hard it would bounce off his receivers and become a tip drill. I have watched 3 games of his so far this season and his passes have much better touch. He has added a level of finesse to his game he didn't have before this season.
I was saying I see the same thing with Fields passing. Very little touch and too much heat at times. I think he has real potential but he's going to have to develop some more. You can see the difference between Fields and Russ just this season. If Fields develops more finesse with his passes and with his mobility, he could be a very good to great NFL QB. But will it click, and do we take that gamble?
I’m not saying he hasn’t improved. I’m just saying he was borderline MVP for the past 3-4 seasons too.
Fields may be gaining ground after all.
Absolutely. I'm just saying how I used to say Allen would be so much better if he learns some touch on passes rather than just firing it in there. He has and turnovers are down. Same with Fields. Not saying he needs to develop Russ' moonball, but learning some of Russ' touch pass technique would help him a lot. My opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
Exactly, must be one of the least difficult things to improve, touch passes and check downs. The running back skills and size,/ strength /courage to step into the pocket is much harder if not impossble to "develop". I have the feeling Tomlin has Fields under reboot development mode this year, and will extend him before Wilson. Remember Tomlin was in love with Fields 6 years agoQuote:
Originally Posted by Born2Steel
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Not being Russell Wilson ....
is that a qualification?