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Hey, common sense like this isn't allowed on this board. :nono:Quote:
Originally Posted by pczach
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When I say that, you tell me I'm not a real Steeler fan. :huh:Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
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FINALLY !!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
Thank you.
I think they need a better O-Line Coach and they'll probably get one here in the near future. Tomlin just doesn't address that sort of thing soon enough in my opinion. I'll give him credit, he doesn't panic hire and fire but in some cases, the case is crystal clear that its not working out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
There has been plenty of time for the O-Line to 'gel' but they just aren't coming together and Jones is just regressing rapidly. To Meyer's credit, Dan Moore is playing much better but the whole line just looks lost out there for most of the game...to the naked eye. Wilson doesn't help at times, but there are times that he does help...same with Fields.
Until they all get on the same page Wilson and Fields will continue to run for their lives. I don't know the answer, maybe Tomlin needs to focus on the O-line and it's coaches a whole lot more? Maybe he is and it's just shitty o-line coaching.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
unfortunately, the 0-line started seeing drop off as soon as Munchak left. We still had a pretty talented group but the difference was apparent. They haven't had any strong 0-line coaching since. A lot of experiments in who they've put in the position. I think that's Tomlin's MO frequently. We rarely see really strong coaches working under Tomlin.Quote:
Originally Posted by steelcityboyz
And now we can update to
Russell Wilson: 10 TD's in 6 games
Kenny Pickett: 13 TD's in 25 games
But why is this in a Justin Fields thread? LolQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Because VOR was trying to say the QB room this year isn't any better than the QB room last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
How’s that yardage looking?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I think they need to come up with a better package on 4th and short instead of putting in Fields to handoff or run around the edge. It makes no sense for him to pass it. They need to go back and watch some Kordell Stewart highlights. That dude would have been in the HoF if he stayed a Slash.
Agree. There’s no threat to the pass. Unless they have it hidden for a special day.Quote:
Originally Posted by ALLD
With as badly as Fields snookered the Bengals on the final RPO; they don’t need another play.
That poor rookie CB just couldn’t believe it when Fields pulled the ball back and took off.
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Originally Posted by Mojouw
That poor rookie CB was the only human in existence that didn't know Fields was going to run with it! :toofunny:
No doubt.Quote:
Originally Posted by pczach
I will give Fields credit, he rode that option handoff long enough that he got every single defensive player to crash inside and give up the edge.
As soon as he pulled the ball, it was clear he had it easily.
I know it is not the world’s most complex play, but it was well executed in a key moment.
Routine plays routinely and all that.
It was great execution.
How many games did last year's QB room produce with no touchdowns?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
You’re a lost cause. Are you seriously trying to debate last years QB corps in same league as this years. Don’t let the facts get in the way of your narrative. I imagine you still want Tomlin fired as well. Apparently in your 70 plus years of life you’ve never heard of the term “cut your losses “.Quote:
Originally Posted by Voice of Reason
He’s like a 2-year-oldQuote:
Originally Posted by cubanstogie
Gave me a break....Last year after 14 games,the steelers had their worst PPG on offense since 1970.And no I will not gave credit to Pickett for the 70 yards run of Warren in Cleveland,otherwise this game would been much worst on offense.This game were so bad that Canada was finally fired 2 days after....The steelers had no chance to win in the last few years when the opponents had 20 points or more in a game
Many in the offseason was talking about the great game that Pickett had in the first game that Canada was fired and it would been 23 points if Johnson would catch the TD(only to have 3 points in the first half in the next game against a poor cardinals defense)....Guess what,they score 44 points against the same bengals defense on sunday
You mean the quote by Noll? “Champions execute the ordinary plays better than everyone else”…..Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
Nollism?Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
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Originally Posted by Steeler-in-west
Since I was not really alive for most of Noll's tenure....I was not aware of that one. But I do know my modern Tomlinisms. So maybe Tomlin is remixing the classics?Quote:
Originally Posted by tube517
How many 3-TD, 400 yard passing games did last year's QB room produce? How many games would it take Kenny to get to 3 TD's and 400 yards passing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Voice of Reason
There is absolutely no way you can claim Russell Wilson hasn't been light years above what Kenny was last year. It really seems foolish that you're still trying at this point.
Some people just have zero concept of reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
And yet when I ask you a question about a "fact" that would debunk YOUR narrative, you duck the question. :boink:Quote:
Originally Posted by cubanstogie
Sure I have. Why do you think I want Tomlin fired?Quote:
Originally Posted by cubanstogie
The Steelers have scored over 20 points in only 6 of their 12 games this year. Which means that if their opponents had scored only 21 points in each game the Steelers record right now would be a mediocre 6-6. It's the defense that's responsible for the above average record this year, not the offense or the QB room.Quote:
Originally Posted by polamalubeast
How many did THIS year's QB room produce? One? Why is that one game so significant but the TWO no-touchdown games are NOT significant? :boink:Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
The steelers would been 7-17 in games in the 24 starts with Kenny if their opponents had scored only 21 points in each gamesQuote:
Originally Posted by Voice of Reason
The steelers score 26 points or more in 4 of the 6 games with Wilson and even Fields was much better...Guaranteed this post will be ignored
The Steelers look more like an NFL team with the Wilson offense than the Pickett MLS.
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Originally Posted by polamalubeast
But that's not how football works. The other teams score more points when Steelers quarterbacks take tons of sacks and commit more turnovers. You can't just put it in a bottle and think it is going to work out that way.
In the first game after Matt Canada was released from his duties as offensive coordinator and Kenny Pickett as quarterback, the Steelers were tied with the Cardinals and were inside the 1 yard line trying to score when Pickett got hurt before halftime. After that moment, Trubisky came in and they lost that game. That loss wasn't on Pickett. Trubisky then lost the next two games after that by playing like crap. At that time, Mike Tomlin named Rudolph the starter. They won the last three regular season games.
I don't count the Arizona game as a loss on Pickett. Trubisky was horrible and lost that game. That means that taking Trubisky out of the equation, the Steelers probably win 12 games last season.
When you combine the three wins with Rudolph as the starter after the Matt Canada firing with the Justin Fields and Russell Wilson starts this season....the Steelers have gone 12-3 with a quarterback that can play a little quarterback and Matt Canada not being involved in the offense. The team started moving the ball much better and scoring more points.
Matt Canada was the biggest problem this offense had for four seasons. It doesn't exonerate quarterback play entirely, but the design of the offense, the play calling, and the overall incompetence of Matt Canada doomed this team. Everything Kenny Pickett knew about NFL offense is based on what Matt Canada's offense was designed to do. Talk about being set up for failure.
Matt Canada was a plague upon this franchise. He was always responsible for the offensive failures of this team.
True about everything and for Matt Canada,I was so upset when they decided to keep him after 2022.My comment was more in response to voice of reason and his obsession with Kenny, I'm tired of that!Quote:
Originally Posted by pczach
I'm going to start to ignoring him completely again
2023 Steelers: Points For: 304 (17.9/g) 28th of 32Quote:
Originally Posted by Voice of Reason
2024 Steelers: Points For: 296 (24.7/g) 10th of 32
With 5 games to go, this year's Steelers are 9 points away from surpassing last year's team in points. Do you really want to take the bet these Steelers can't score 9 points in 5 games? They are higher in points per game, and ranked higher amongst the 32 teams. I know you like to cherry pick the two games this year that they didn't score touchdowns, but they still scored a fair number of points in those games. To get all those field goals, they still had to move the ball well.
:boink::boink::boink::boink::boink:
But if they only score 9 points on Boswells foot, it doesn’t count.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
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Originally Posted by 86WARD
Dong points! :chuckle:
So much for the reliability of your guarantees. I'm glad you're not remodeling my kitchen. :rofl2:Quote:
Originally Posted by polamalubeast
Somehow you seem to think that these stats benefit you, but all they prove is that despite the "big upgrade" in the QB room, in both years it's not the offense that is winning most games for the Steelers, it's still the defense. The "upgraded" QB room has bailed out the defense in only one game so far this year, last Sunday's game against the Bengals. Now, maybe the offense will do better in the remainder of the schedule and maybe it won't, but as of now it is still the defense and the special teams that are responsible for most of the team's success and not the "upgraded" offense, just like last year.
You guys keep talking about MY obsession with Kenny, but most of my posts about Kenny are replies to posts where YOU GUYS are bashing him. The rule here seems to be that anyone who wants to bash Kenny can post as much as they want, but if I reply to any of these posts I'M the one who has an "obsession with Kenny".Quote:
Originally Posted by polamalubeast
Those "Points For" this year include a lot of points that were scored or set up by the defense, and are conveniently skewed by the one productive game the Steeler offense had last week against the Bengals.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
The "Points For" last year were held down by (a) the presence of Matt Canada, and (b) the three games played by Trubisky.
No, the first game after Matt Canada was released was the game against the Bengals where Kenny Pickett produced over 400 yards of offense. The Cardinal game was the game after that.Quote:
Originally Posted by pczach
Other than that, I agree with all you said in your post.
Winner!Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
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Originally Posted by Voice of Reason
You are correct. I just spewed that out without looking it up.
Now I remember that it was the Bengals game. Thanks for the correction.
My point still stands. :lol:
“You are correct” said no one ever to voice of treason until last post. 12/5/2024 0823 hours.