Kenny Pickett traded to Eagles.

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Originally Posted by Steeldude

Have the Eagles figured out that One-Read Hurts isn't that great?

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I think that is what the 2nd half of last season was all about.

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Originally Posted by DesertSteel

I haven’t heard any AFC North coaches say how glad they are to have Kenny out of the division.

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Other than a couple no name reporters, Tom Brady wasn't mentioned by any AFC east coaches when he left. Your point is?

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Originally Posted by steelcityboyz

Other than a couple no name reporters, Tom Brady wasn't mentioned by any AFC east coaches when he left. Your point is?

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My point is that AFCN coaches aren’t glad to see him go. But you already knew my point.

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Originally Posted by Voice of Reason

When a statistic is not in Kenny's favor it is ABSOLUTE PROOF that Kenny is a bad QB. Saying anything else is just making excuses, the numbers don't lie.

When a statistic is in Kenny's favor, 1,001 excuses why the statistic means nothing come out of you guy's asses.:poop:

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That’s what the haters do…they dwell and steer their narrative, ignoring anything else. A lot of times, some haven’t even watched him (or comparisons) actually play…

At the end of year one I thought Kenny was the franchise quarterback for the next 10 years. But all year I saw a lot of bad traits, many of which had nothing to do with Canada. My position changed. Apparently so did the position of those who saw him in practice every day.

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Originally Posted by DesertSteel

At the end of year one I thought Kenny was the franchise quarterback for the next 10 years. But all year I saw a lot of bad traits, many of which had nothing to do with Canada. My position changed. Apparently so did the position of those who saw him in practice every day.

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We all understand that and get that.

The only problem is the same guys that watched Pickett and all the other quarterbacks thought Trubisky was the best of the bunch to start in 2022. Those same eyes watched Rudolph for 6 years and believed he was the worst quarterback on the roster.

That's where the issue is and why there are doubts about decisions made on quarterbacks. Hopefully, there are new people involved in the process that are helping to make determinations on quarterback play and players in general.

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Originally Posted by pczach

We all understand that and get that.

The only problem is the same guys that watched Pickett and all the other quarterbacks thought Trubisky was the best of the bunch to start in 2022. Those same eyes watched Rudolph for 6 years and believed he was the worst quarterback on the roster.

That's where the issue is and why there are doubts about decisions made on quarterbacks. Hopefully, there are new people involved in the process that are helping to make determinations on quarterback play and players in general.

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I think it was more about not wanting to throw Pickett to the wolves too soon. And who knows, Trubisky might be a great practice player. Some guys just can’t get it up in real action.

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Originally Posted by DesertSteel

I think it was more about not wanting to throw Pickett to the wolves too soon. And who knows, Trubisky might be a great practice player. Some guys just can’t get it up in real action.

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Maybe, but it's more than just that. Not recognizing that Canada was wasting everybody's time with an inept and limited offensive scheme was troubling. That should have been recognized much earlier and the decision to get him out the door should have happened much earlier.

I think Trubisky definitely plays better in practice, but it is obvious that he can't read coverages and routinely throws the ball into coverage in games when there is more deception in scheme and coverages. But again, a top-notch offensive coach would have been able to figure that out much quicker. I'm also sure that Matt Canada not having that much direct contact with his quarterbacks was an issue as well. When an OC talks to you, they are asking you what you saw when you ran a particular play against a teams defense. The answers he got would have told him which quarterbacks weren't seeing things as they should or going to the right places with the ball. Getting certain coverages and reading those defenses should dictate where the quarterbacks eyes should be going and where the ball should go. I'm just not sure that Canada was even capable of that, and not spending a ton of time with them and working with the quarterbacks directly certainly isn't going to help him figure things out.

Again, maybe they are relying more on Khan, Weidl, and Arthur Smith. Maybe they are getting more input from scouts. All I know is that I hope the people in charge are seeing and doing the right things this time around.

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Originally Posted by pczach

Maybe, but it's more than just that. Not recognizing that Canada was wasting everybody's time with an inept and limited offensive scheme was troubling. That should have been recognized much earlier and the decision to get him out the door should have happened much earlier.

I think Trubisky definitely plays better in practice, but it is obvious that he can't read coverages and routinely throws the ball into coverage in games when there is more deception in scheme and coverages. But again, a top-notch offensive coach would have been able to figure that out much quicker. I'm also sure that Matt Canada not having that much direct contact with his quarterbacks was an issue as well. When an OC talks to you, they are asking you what you saw when you ran a particular play against a teams defense. The answers he got would have told him which quarterbacks weren't seeing things as they should or going to the right places with the ball. Getting certain coverages and reading those defenses should dictate where the quarterbacks eyes should be going and where the ball should go. I'm just not sure that Canada was even capable of that, and not spending a ton of time with them and working with the quarterbacks directly certainly isn't going to help him figure things out.

Again, maybe they are relying more on Khan, Weidl, and Arthur Smith. Maybe they are getting more input from scouts. All I know is that I hope the people in charge are seeing and doing the right things this time around.

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Canada was an organizational failure, starting with Tomlin, then Khan and ultimately Rooney. The latter should have demanded his dismissal at the end of last year. That said, I was encouraged by the mid season firing that things were changing. I see the QB changes as more of the same type of positive change. In past years, they would have rode with Pickett another year of two. The NFL has changed. There's greater urgency to win. I think Tomlin's failures are more that of unmerited loyalty more than talent misevaluation. Do we honestly think that Tomlin couldn't figure out what the average fan knew? But he had a system and an infrastructure that he believed would change the situation, It didn't and they responded. Now we've had our most active offseason in history and it's met with many criticisms here. I'm simply not in the critic's crowd. Between Wilson and Fields, one or the other will get us where we haven't gone in 7-8 years. That's my belief and I'll stick to it until it fails on the field.

Was Mitch good in practice or are we bad at practicing? Seriously, how many times did you watch a game and say out loud “What do they do all week?”

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Originally Posted by pczach

Maybe, but it's more than just that. Not recognizing that Canada was wasting everybody's time with an inept and limited offensive scheme was troubling. That should have been recognized much earlier and the decision to get him out the door should have happened much earlier.

I think Trubisky definitely plays better in practice, but it is obvious that he can't read coverages and routinely throws the ball into coverage in games when there is more deception in scheme and coverages. But again, a top-notch offensive coach would have been able to figure that out much quicker. I'm also sure that Matt Canada not having that much direct contact with his quarterbacks was an issue as well. When an OC talks to you, they are asking you what you saw when you ran a particular play against a teams defense. The answers he got would have told him which quarterbacks weren't seeing things as they should or going to the right places with the ball. Getting certain coverages and reading those defenses should dictate where the quarterbacks eyes should be going and where the ball should go. I'm just not sure that Canada was even capable of that, and not spending a ton of time with them and working with the quarterbacks directly certainly isn't going to help him figure things out.

Again, maybe they are relying more on Khan, Weidl, and Arthur Smith. Maybe they are getting more input from scouts. All I know is that I hope the people in charge are seeing and doing the right things this time around.

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There’s some potential reasons to believe they’re not demonstrating much learning:

1. Smith’s offense has succeeded when the passing game was focused on coming from under center, engaging in play action, and highly accurate throws between the hashes. Unfortunately that basically describes everything that Wilson hates doing and that Fields has not demonstrated any progress at.

2. The above passing game is married of a wide zone run game. Every time the Steelers have tried that; they’ve stunk at it and for the last 3 seasons reverted back to power and inside zone (or so I’ve been told).

So they’ve got a coordinator who wants to do X and Y and offense players best suited to A and B.


No cause for concern here. Did you hear that Wilson won a SB a decade ago?

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Originally Posted by DesertSteel

Canada was an organizational failure, starting with Tomlin, then Khan and ultimately Rooney. The latter should have demanded his dismissal at the end of last year. That said, I was encouraged by the mid season firing that things were changing. I see the QB changes as more of the same type of positive change. In past years, they would have rode with Pickett another year of two. The NFL has changed. There's greater urgency to win. I think Tomlin's failures are more that of unmerited loyalty more than talent misevaluation. Do we honestly think that Tomlin couldn't figure out what the average fan knew? But he had a system and an infrastructure that he believed would change the situation, It didn't and they responded. Now we've had our most active offseason in history and it's met with many criticisms here. I'm simply not in the critic's crowd. Between Wilson and Fields, one or the other will get us where we haven't gone in 7-8 years. That's my belief and I'll stick to it until it fails on the field.

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My post wasn't an ongoing criticism. I'm just identifying what went wrong. My sincere hope is that Wilson and particularly Fields plays well and can become a very good NFL quarterback going forward. Of course, it would be great if Russell Wilson plays his ass off and is able to play at a very high level that gets them a shot at another championship while Fields continues to learn and develop.

I know Wilson has limited years left, so my hopes really go towards Fields. He has immense physical talent. I thought he may have had the highest ceiling when he came out in the draft. Everyone was on the Trevor Lawrence is the greatest quarterback ever train, but I told people that I wouldn't be surprised if Fields ultimately turned out to be the best quarterback of that draft class. I based that on his physical traits, but I knew he was going to need to develop his football mind and get a crash course in reading defenses. I figured it would take some time, but we all know that nothing is guaranteed.

What we do know is that he is an elite talent. If Fields can learn to operate in an offense that fits his skillset perfectly like Smith's power running/play action style of offense, he will have a chance to let all that talent show itself if the light goes on. I like the kid personally. He's a good person from everything I have heard about him and I am hopeful that he can develop while learning to take better care of the football. If he can do that within this system, he can be a real weapon. If he is never able to process everything, his struggles will probably continue to some extent. The great news is that Arthur Smith's offense is exactly the kind of offense that Fields has a chance to excel. All it would take is some fine tuning to customize it to fit Fields' strengths and probably adding more designed plays to take advantage of his elite athleticism.

He still has a lot of work to do, but I would love to see the ultimate form of Justin Fields' game happen right here.

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Originally Posted by Mojouw

There’s some potential reasons to believe they’re not demonstrating much learning:

1. Smith’s offense has succeeded when the passing game was focused on coming from under center, engaging in play action, and highly accurate throws between the hashes. Unfortunately that basically describes everything that Wilson hates doing and that Fields has not demonstrated any progress at.

2. The above passing game is married of a wide zone run game. Every time the Steelers have tried that; they’ve stunk at it and for the last 3 seasons reverted back to power and inside zone (or so I’ve been told).

So they’ve got a coordinator who wants to do X and Y and offense players best suited to A and B.


No cause for concern here. Did you hear that Wilson won a SB a decade ago?

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Don't forget that Smith's offense doesn't have to be a carbon copy here. He can do some things differently here. Just because Fields hasn't done a ton of it doesn't mean he can't do it well. It is an acquired skill, but it simplifies reads and theoretically gives him a chance at more 1-on-1 matchups on the outside for deep passing. That's why I believe it will still take some time with Fields, but you don't know what someone is good at something or not until they actually get to learn it and do it. It may be a strength of his once he is emersed in it.

I'm going to give it a chance to succeed, and I want to see it succeed.

I think it’s difficult for us on the outside to really know how much was Canadas fault and how much was KP’s. I do know a coach, coordinator or even a boss in the work world can kill morale in people below them. And that being a Qb is about being in sync and having confidence in the gameplan. It’s more than seeing X open and connecting or making the right reads in vacuum

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I think it’s difficult for us on the outside to really know how much was Canadas fault and how much was KP’s.

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Which is why I wanted to see what Kenny looked like with a different OC.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

Which is why I wanted to see what Kenny looked like with a different OC.

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I think that was most people’s feeling. Most…

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Originally Posted by 86WARD

I think that was most people’s feeling. Most…

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I wanted to see it but not for 9-16 games if it wasn’t working. That was my fear, that he would be mediocre but still still have the clock reset due to the new OC. Everything happens for a reason. I think it worked out for the best.

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Originally Posted by pczach

Don't forget that Smith's offense doesn't have to be a carbon copy here. He can do some things differently here. Just because Fields hasn't done a ton of it doesn't mean he can't do it well. It is an acquired skill, but it simplifies reads and theoretically gives him a chance at more 1-on-1 matchups on the outside for deep passing. That's why I believe it will still take some time with Fields, but you don't know what someone is good at something or not until they actually get to learn it and do it. It may be a strength of his once he is emersed in it.

I'm going to give it a chance to succeed, and I want to see it succeed.

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Quick response: totally agree. [emoji817]

Just pointing out that it’s possible it’s not all sunshine and unicorn farts.

Either way, I’m excited to watch.

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Originally Posted by DesertSteel

I haven’t heard any AFC North coaches say how glad they are to have Kenny out of the division.

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Not even Harbaugh who lost to Kenny the last two times he played them? :boink:

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Originally Posted by DesertSteel

Between Wilson and Fields, one or the other will get us where we haven't gone in 7-8 years.

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A losing season?

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Originally Posted by pczach

That's why I believe it will still take some time with Fields, but you don't know what someone is good at something or not until they actually get to learn it and do it.

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But nobody here wants to give a QB time. Kenny had a bad half-season (while still winning more games than he lost) and the anti-Kenny mob here ran him out of town on a rail.

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Which is why I wanted to see what Kenny looked like with a different OC.

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so did I. People already writing KP’s career epitaph. I think its premature. I don’t care what some of these pundits say. None of them were in the trenches with him.

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Originally Posted by DesertSteel

Well, they weren't the Steel Curtain. Time for the defense to hit the road? Get rid of them? C'mon, man!

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Exactly my point. If Kenny and Mason aren't worth a damn for their body of work, why does the Defense get a pass? Last I checked, they've make more money and have more star power than the Offense and have been for years.

The difference is that one side is kicked to the curb, but the other was not. One gets all the blame but the other doesn't. The prevailing narrative when Kenny was traded was he was holding the team back. Like this is some elite squad that is a QB away from contending. We'll see if that was true or not. And for all who want to bring up the Browns game. Great game by the Defense, but there have been times when Kenny does his job and the Defense didn't.

Raiders Game: Kenny gives the Steelers a 23-7 lead in the third quarter. The Defense ends up making it a 23-18.

Packers game: Kenny leads an opening drive touchdown. Not behind the 8 Ball on Offense for once. Defense is given a lead. The Defense gives the lead right back on the Packers' opening drive. Cool. Kenny leads ANOTHER TD drive, tacks on a field goal and gives the Defense a 17-7 lead. Defense collapses with 12 unanswered to make it 19-17.

Now has Kenny been great? No. But to say he "Tebowed" it up last year is simply pushing a narrative. The 2023 Steelers were not an amazing team, but they found ways to win under Kenny. Then the first game without Canada he gives us our first 400 yard offensive game since Ben was under center.

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Quick response: totally agree. [emoji817]

Just pointing out that it’s possible it’s not all sunshine and hippo farts.

Either way, I’m excited to watch.

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Fixed it [emoji38]

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You did!

I forgot about the hippo farts. How could i?

So what do all the KP needed time and better coaching folks think his ceiling was/is?

Because that’s a huge part of this.

Did he get jobbed a bit here by being yoked to a shitty OC and flawed approach to QB development? Yup.

But picture your best but realistic version of KP. Is that QB really that good? I kinda picture KP as a version of Tannehill. And since winning playoff games is all everyone wants to talk about. Tannehill won 2 in 11 years. That doesn’t seem to be where people want to be.

Maybe KP can become Kirk Cousins. The apogee of mediocre QBs. 5 playoff wins in 12 years.

Is that more than recent Steelers? Sure whatever.

But I think the Steelers saw Rudolph and KP for what they are. QBs that can help a team scratch and claw their way to the playoffs. Then get their ass kicked in the opening round.

And to be fair; that’s most QBs in the league. But the Steelers seem to be hunting for bigger game at the position. They’re looking for a guy who can make up for weaknesses on the roster rather than need everything to be perfect to have success.

I don’t think they found that guy. But the point remains that KP isn’t that guy either.

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So what do all the KP needed time and better coaching folks think his ceiling was/is?

Because that’s a huge part of this.

Did he get jobbed a bit here by being yoked to a shitty OC and flawed approach to QB development? Yup.

But picture your best but realistic version of KP. Is that QB really that good? I kinda picture KP as a version of Tannehill. And since winning playoff games is all everyone wants to talk about. Tannehill won 2 in 11 years. That doesn’t seem to be where people want to be.

Maybe KP can become Kirk Cousins. The apogee of mediocre QBs. 5 playoff wins in 12 years.

Is that more than recent Steelers? Sure whatever.

But I think the Steelers saw Rudolph and KP for what they are. QBs that can help a team scratch and claw their way to the playoffs. Then get their ass kicked in the opening round.

And to be fair; that’s most QBs in the league. But the Steelers seem to be hunting for bigger game at the position. They’re looking for a guy who can make up for weaknesses on the roster rather than need everything to be perfect to have success.

I don’t think they found that guy. But the point remains that KP isn’t that guy either.

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Cousins has only 1 playoff win in 12 years,not 5!

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Originally Posted by polamalubeast

Cousins has only 1 playoff win in 12 years,not 5!

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Oops!

Not wearing my glasses. Saw the 5 appearances and read it as wins. Hah!

Even better. It illustrates the point.

The best version of KP I can picture in my head still doesn’t win playoff games.

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So what do all the KP needed time and better coaching folks think his ceiling was/is?

Because that’s a huge part of this.

Did he get jobbed a bit here by being yoked to a shitty OC and flawed approach to QB development? Yup.

But picture your best but realistic version of KP. Is that QB really that good? I kinda picture KP as a version of Tannehill. And since winning playoff games is all everyone wants to talk about. Tannehill won 2 in 11 years. That doesn’t seem to be where people want to be.

Maybe KP can become Kirk Cousins. The apogee of mediocre QBs. 5 playoff wins in 12 years.

Is that more than recent Steelers? Sure whatever.

But I think the Steelers saw Rudolph and KP for what they are. QBs that can help a team scratch and claw their way to the playoffs. Then get their ass kicked in the opening round.

And to be fair; that’s most QBs in the league. But the Steelers seem to be hunting for bigger game at the position. They’re looking for a guy who can make up for weaknesses on the roster rather than need everything to be perfect to have success.

I don’t think they found that guy. But the point remains that KP isn’t that guy either.

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The articles that are out there, and they seem to be quoting Omar, Tomlin, etc, say trading KP was not in the plan, until KP asked for a trade. The thought was KP could learn from Russ this year. Fields was not even truly considered until KP asked to be traded, and then they made sure they could deal for Fields before making the trade. The part of this discussion that is 100% false is that the Steelers were done with KP and ran a successful covert campaign to get him to ask to be traded. That did not happen.

KP as an Eagle....I think at least part of this season will be spent with Hurts out with some injury. At least 1 game. Between KP and Grier I would think the Eagles will go with the guy that has the better grasp of the playbook. Not necessarily the overall better QB at this point. Grier is only on a 1yr contract, KP is under contract through 2025 so they still have time to bring him in slowly. Hurts is owed big money through 2028 I think, so he's not going anywhere. Best hope for KP there is QB2 unless Hurts gets traded for some reason.

maybe this thread will die if it gets moved to the NFL section and he isnt a steeler now so

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I wanted to see it but not for 9-16 games if it wasn’t working. That was my fear, that he would be mediocre but still still have the clock reset due to the new OC. Everything happens for a reason. I think it worked out for the best.

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I’ve accepted it. Don’t like how they handled it and wanted to see him get a season in with a real OC. I was willing to write the season off and still build for the next guy…but it is what it is, when he whines and cries…it wasn’t going anywhere after that. I’m looking forward to seeing how this plays out. In Khan I trust…

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Originally Posted by Mojouw

So what do all the KP needed time and better coaching folks think his ceiling was/is?

Because that’s a huge part of this.

Did he get jobbed a bit here by being yoked to a shitty OC and flawed approach to QB development? Yup.

But picture your best but realistic version of KP. Is that QB really that good? I kinda picture KP as a version of Tannehill. And since winning playoff games is all everyone wants to talk about. Tannehill won 2 in 11 years. That doesn’t seem to be where people want to be.

Maybe KP can become Kirk Cousins. The apogee of mediocre QBs. 5 playoff wins in 12 years.

Is that more than recent Steelers? Sure whatever.

But I think the Steelers saw Rudolph and KP for what they are. QBs that can help a team scratch and claw their way to the playoffs. Then get their ass kicked in the opening round.

And to be fair; that’s most QBs in the league. But the Steelers seem to be hunting for bigger game at the position. They’re looking for a guy who can make up for weaknesses on the roster rather than need everything to be perfect to have success.

I don’t think they found that guy. But the point remains that KP isn’t that guy either.

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I don’t know what it would be…that’s the thing. I’d like to see what it would’ve been. Had it been super low, medium or high. I just wanted to see what it was…lol.

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The articles that are out there, and they seem to be quoting Omar, Tomlin, etc, say trading KP was not in the plan, until KP asked for a trade. The thought was KP could learn from Russ this year. Fields was not even truly considered until KP asked to be traded, and then they made sure they could deal for Fields before making the trade. The part of this discussion that is 100% false is that the Steelers were done with KP and ran a successful covert campaign to get him to ask to be traded. That did not happen.

KP as an Eagle....I think at least part of this season will be spent with Hurts out with some injury. At least 1 game. Between KP and Grier I would think the Eagles will go with the guy that has the better grasp of the playbook. Not necessarily the overall better QB at this point. Grier is only on a 1yr contract, KP is under contract through 2025 so they still have time to bring him in slowly. Hurts is owed big money through 2028 I think, so he's not going anywhere. Best hope for KP there is QB2 unless Hurts gets traded for some reason.

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You’re arguing a point I’m not attempting to make.

Take everything you know and think you know about KP as an NFL QB. Project that into the near future.

How good is that QB?

Personally, I arrive at not that great. And not awful either.

I strongly believe the Steelers were not impressed by their internal version of that projection.

Unless your personal projection is of a QB that hoists a Lombardi or two; why are we still arguing about it?

Does KP’s ceiling as an NFL QB justify the $30+ million per year contract another year as the starter would’ve garnered him?

While I don’t think Wilson or Fields are the answers at the position, I also don’t think KP was either. I’m glad they moved off KP, however that came about, and I hope they are willing to move on again just as quickly if Wilson or Fields proves to be as bad a fit as I think they will be.

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I don’t know what it would be…that’s the thing. I’d like to see what it would’ve been. Had it been super low, medium or high. I just wanted to see what it was…lol.

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I might be totally unfair to KP....but I really didn't. I would've rooted for him and been hopeful that Smith could put a system around him that helped him succeed.

But I have long had doubts about KP's fundamental physical abilities as a QB. He has scattershot accuracy without a clear and correctable flaw in his mechanics or fundamentals that makes me believe he just isn't all that accurate of a QB. From what I can see of his Pitt stats, he didn't complete a high percentage really ever during his college career. His final season was the only one over 60%. His instincts are to attempt to make plays that he is not the athlete to pull off at the NFL level. And I am not sure you can ever coach that out of him. It is a lot to ask a guy to ignore everything his brain is yelling at him.

Long and overdone and repeated story short --- wipe out his final season at Pitt and do you even draft KP? Let alone in the first round.

KP was billed as a highly accurate and elite mental processor who was ready to deal with the NFL from the jump. I just don't think that was accurate. Even if you control for the vortex of suck that was Matt Canada.

With all that, I'm surprised I didn't hear a comment from Roethlisberger on the changes to this position...I don't know what he thinks about all that!

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I might be totally unfair to KP....but I really didn't. I would've rooted for him and been hopeful that Smith could put a system around him that helped him succeed.

But I have long had doubts about KP's fundamental physical abilities as a QB. He has scattershot accuracy without a clear and correctable flaw in his mechanics or fundamentals that makes me believe he just isn't all that accurate of a QB. From what I can see of his Pitt stats, he didn't complete a high percentage really ever during his college career. His final season was the only one over 60%. His instincts are to attempt to make plays that he is not the athlete to pull off at the NFL level. And I am not sure you can ever coach that out of him. It is a lot to ask a guy to ignore everything his brain is yelling at him.

Long and overdone and repeated story short --- wipe out his final season at Pitt and do you even draft KP? Let alone in the first round.

KP was billed as a highly accurate and elite mental processor who was ready to deal with the NFL from the jump. I just don't think that was accurate. Even if you control for the vortex of suck that was Matt Canada.

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None of the QBs in that draft class were overly exciting to think about as draft picks and I don’t think many, if any, (here) wanted them to draft a QB in one of the first few rounds.

The decision making, the in accuracy, all of it could be contributed to the offense or it could all be Kenny. We just don’t know exactly. For instance, he may have been told to throw a ball to a spot, that could’ve been disrupted, whatever…there’s no point in getting wrapped up in it because he’s gone, Canada is gone and hopefully they know what to do with the O-Line now that they figured out they can’t zone block…lol

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I’ve accepted it. Don’t like how they handled it and wanted to see him get a season in with a real OC. I was willing to write the season off and still build for the next guy…but it is what it is, when he whines and cries…it wasn’t going anywhere after that. I’m looking forward to seeing how this plays out. In Khan I trust…

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That's our difference. I did not want to write a season off for Kenny Pickett. He holds no stock with me.

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With all that, I'm surprised I didn't hear a comment from Roethlisberger on the changes to this position...I don't know what he thinks about all that!

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I forget it does he do the podcast in the offseason? I am sure he has a lot to say

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I agree but do we have moderators right now who could move it?

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You’re arguing a point I’m not attempting to make.

Take everything you know and think you know about KP as an NFL QB. Project that into the near future.

How good is that QB?

Personally, I arrive at not that great. And not awful either.

I strongly believe the Steelers were not impressed by their internal version of that projection.

Unless your personal projection is of a QB that hoists a Lombardi or two; why are we still arguing about it?

Does KP’s ceiling as an NFL QB justify the $30+ million per year contract another year as the starter would’ve garnered him?

While I don’t think Wilson or Fields are the answers at the position, I also don’t think KP was either. I’m glad they moved off KP, however that came about, and I hope they are willing to move on again just as quickly if Wilson or Fields proves to be as bad a fit as I think they will be.

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I guess my only POINT is the FO was not finished with KP. They did want to continue with him. He wasn't learning anything with Canada and Trubisky, and Mason could teach him to be an ok backup. They brought in a successful veteran for him to learn behind. Not to run him off as has been speculated. I guess I believe the quotes.

This tells me the guys in charge think KP's ceiling is/was higher than where he was.

Personally, I would rather have KP than Fields behind Russ. I like Russ better than both as QB1 though.

Since it is my belief Kenny initiated the trade himself, I am trying to move on into the Russ/Fields/Allen era.