“Tomlin” author: He should have won more Super Bowls
A behind-the-scenes look at the rise and career of the Steelers coach
By Kyle Chrise Dec 12, 2023
https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co...burgh-steelers
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“Tomlin” author: He should have won more Super Bowls
A behind-the-scenes look at the rise and career of the Steelers coach
By Kyle Chrise Dec 12, 2023
https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co...burgh-steelers
Interesting that they don' choose to focus on the portion a few lines down from their headline:
"The Steelers could be 2-11, then you’d be dealing with NFL reality."
Or
"So your fan base is just well beyond spoiled. I mean, no one does it. It’s unrealistic, right? What the Steelers have done is unrealistic, because it just doesn’t happen. You don’t go 20 seasons and not have a losing season just once. It just doesn’t even make any sense."
I am shocked they pulled one sentence out of a larger more interesting discussion to create a clickbait headline. Whah???!! Not the internet! Surely no one ever manipulates things on the internet!!
Interesting take.
He thinks Tomlin is good at X's and O's, and seems to be impressed with the "he's never had a losing season" garbage. That tells me all I need to know about him.
If they put together a secondary worth a damn? then yes.
man, I think this could be said for most head coaches who only won one SB with a franchise QB.
Bill Cowher
Pete Carrol
Sean Payton
Mike McCarthy
Tony Dungy
Mike Holmgren
and Bruce Arians.. lol
Wait....wait....wait.Quote:
Originally Posted by feltdizz
Are you saying winning a SB is really really hard? Nah. Stick around here. Learn how easy it is to win in the NFL.
But getting to the playoffs is really easy and winning games against quality opponents in the playoffs is easy!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
I keep forgetting that. Really Tomlin should have about a dozen SBs and whatever the math works out to on that for playoff victories.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
U mad, bro?: Rich Eisen makes a celebrity appearance as opinions fly about Steelers coach Mike Tomlin
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https://triblive.com/sports/u-mad-br...h-mike-tomlin/
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Originally Posted by Mojouw
This is where you hope for reason. Unfortunately, there is very little with far too many people. Some fans held Tomlin to this unreachable standard. That level of success in unattainable.
The problem then becomes those who attacked Tomlin and want him gone, to those who supported him knowing the attackers were being unreasonable. I always supported Tomlin.
The current problem then becomes when there are clear signs that things aren't working and there may be a need for a change at coach. How do you know when it is time?
I think we are at the point where Mr. Rooney needs to step in and at the very least demand that a new OC not of Tomlin's choosing is added to the coaching staff. He would install a new offense and would probably(but not necessarily) want a new QB coach. The new coach would handle that side of the ball and only follow simple commands from Tomlin like when to burn more clock, or when to go for it on fourth down and situations like that. The offense would basically be his.
I think that is the only way that it makes sense to keep Mike Tomlin as the head coach, but even that has to be questioned because of the way some of the players appear to be revolting with the lack of effort.
I like Tomlin and would like to think that only changing out the offensive side of the ball will be enough. I'm just not sure about that anymore.
Bill Cowher should've won more Super Bowls...many more.
With Nolls players. He "wasted" Woodsons years. Oh wait that doesn't fit the current narrative. Because da chin was duh greatest evahh because he never loses to teams with bad records nor does he have any players that make boneheaded mistakes. OH wait.....Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
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Cowher's greatest accomplishment was his record when leading by more than 10 points at any time in the game: 108-1-1. To me, that is a credit to the coach.
The response by Tomlin critics is always "Cowher had mediocre QB's for most of his career, but Tomlin had Ben most of his career."
I don't know about "many", but more than he did.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
He’d have two of Neil O’Donnell didn’t shit the bedQuote:
Originally Posted by Voice of Reason
But as many say, players failing is lack of coaching, preparation, and discipline.Quote:
Originally Posted by DuckHodges
If only Cowher would’ve coached harder, O’Donnell might have seen Brown as clearly as the rest of us did.
Except for that 94 AFC Championship game where they blew a 13-0 lead to Stan freaking Humphries.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesertSteel
I like Cowher but that one still hurts.
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Only 2 in 15 years??Quote:
Originally Posted by DuckHodges
Daniel Valente
@StatsGuyDaniel
Roethlisberger played 17 playoff games under Tomlin. His stats:
- 63.8% completion rate
- 26 TDs
- 20 INTs
- 3 lost fumbles
- 23 turnovers
- 86.7 passer rating
- 6 multi-INT games
Feel like this context gets missed when people dump on Tomlin’s record.
Jan 11, 2024
https://twitter.com/StatsGuyDaniel/s...753687446?s=20
….Not to mention, if it had not been for Harrison….Quote:
Originally Posted by hawaiiansteeler
Two of the greatest plays, (in my opinion) in SB history. Harrison’s 99 yard touchdown and Holmes’s toe tap TD in the corner of the endzone. Tomlin was coaching…..oh that’s right, he did it with Cowher players.:heh:
The Harrison play is the greatest play in Super Bowl History by far. First of all, he decided to drop back in coverage when he was supposed to be rushing, he went however many yards for the TD. It’s something that he’s not supposed to do or be able to do. Ben and Santonios play, was clutch and also up there…as is the David Tyree catch…but those guys are “supposed to” do that. Harrison isn’t supposed to go coast to coast for a TD…Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkman
The “funny” thing is that most players report that Tomlin and coaches had just recently gotten all over them for not blocking on turnover returns as a unit earlier. Read some interviews where multiple guys said that they were going to make sure to block because of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
B-b-b-b-b-but he was Cowher's player but it won't count for Tomlin even though Tomlin emphasized blocking for INTs that week prior.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
So what you are saying is that Tomlin made Ben mediocre in the playoffs. I get it. :wink02:Quote:
Originally Posted by hawaiiansteeler
if a HC consistently gets team to playoffs what more can you ask for. After anywhere from 17-20 games it’s up to players to execute. Marv Levy still a great coach although Norwood missed 40 yard FG. “Marv should’ve won more SB” would be close minded statement, same pertaining to Tomlin. So much more to it, such as Patriots cheating, refs screwing up Jesse James call or Tim Tebow with the play of his life.Quote:
Originally Posted by hawaiiansteeler
That was Ben's ceiling. Some Steelers fans like to think he was at the same level as Tom Brady, but Ben wasn't even close.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Gonzo Jackson
He was a great QB no doubt, but the idea that Tomlin kept Ben from winning more Super Bowls is an absurd one.