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Love Wheaton, but he's clearly not the answer based on yesterday's performance.
Watching AB back there receiving gives me PANIC ATTACKS ! It's like watching someone getting ready to take your prized Maserati straight into a Demolition Derby !
Jacoby Jones was "supposed" to be the answer but couldn't catch a ball if his life depended on it.
I would rather see someone with 1/2 AB's return skills that can CATCH the damn ball !
Todman is capable of KR's.
I agree about this, we certainly need to find someone who can replace AB, hell, just someone who can field punts would be nice.
Seriously. What is it with this franchise and return guys? The last decent one (non-AB category) they had was, what? Stefan Logan? How hard can it be to root through the mass of rookies every year that flow in to the league and find one guy to stick on the roster to return kicks?
Based on the Steelers, damned near impossible I guess.
IMO, the ST coaching needs to be upgraded like the OL coaching was 2 years ago, for starters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
Did Wheaton even practice fielding punts this week, when it was evident we wouldn't have Brown? Didn't look like it. He looked completely lost out there. That's one thing from yesterday that I will pin on the coaching. I'm not going to blame Wheaton for that.
After Logan
2010 Sanders/AB (KR) and AB/ARE (PRs)
2011 AB/Sanders (KR and PRs)
2012 Rainey (KR)/ AB (PR)
2013 Felix Jones/Sanders (KR)/AB (PR)
2014 Super runt/Suckerpunch/Wheaton (KR)/AB (PR)
2015 Super runt/Jacoby Raven/Wheaton(KR)/ AB (PR)
Wheaton can return kicks. Punts he can not. Todman and Wheaton should have been back there from whenever it was first possible.
AB is our best punt returner by far, and should therefore be the one returning punts.
I've been over this many, many times: The injury rate (per play) for the return man himself is about half the injury rate (per play) of wide receivers. They have done studies on this. It's the other special-teamers doing the blocking and tackling that get hurt a lot. If anything, you should be having a heart attack when Brown is playing receiver. Every time he fields a punt is a chance for a big play, and it's actually SAFER than his normal position. I'll gladly take that.
We do need to find a better backup plan for when AB isn't in the game, though. Wheaton nearly cost us the ball twice inside our own 10-yard line. That's flat-out not going to work. I heard Boykin is a former punt returner, but if he's on the roster next year, it'll be a minor miracle.
If they draft another 5'6" jitterbug I am going to scream. The guy on the Broncos must have dropped 5 passes yesterday.
Jordan Todman.
How bout jesse james?
Too slow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodt
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Boykin should be returning kicks. Boykin also had experience in college returning punts. However, Tomlin has something against letting defensive players return kicks and punts. It's a HUGE flaw in Tomlin's "game". He goes with Wheaton, because he's on offense...yet he returned less than 5 punts in his career...college or pro. He's really not a kick returner either.
TOdman and Boykin should've been back there returning kicks from the start.
There was the kick where he failed to call for a fair catch and a Bronco player "almost" downed it at the 1 yard line. Luckily, the ball went into the endzone for a touchback. Wheaton just stood there clueless.Quote:
Originally Posted by fansince'76
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That's good to know. Thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by steelreserve
Danny Smith blows...how long must we go with the same terrible return game? Coverage improved over time, but the return game has been pretty terrible.
http://www.steelersdepot.com/2016/01...special-teams/
I'm still not a fan of Danny Smith.
I'd like to see how many penalties were assessed after the kickoffs making Ben start behind the 20 or even closer to the goal line?
Average starting field position? According to this chart #26 in Avg Starting Line of Scrimmage after a Kickoff. Avg starting LOS = 20.93 yd line.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/drivestatsoff
Without looking, I'm guessing Korza wrote that on SteelersDepot? He's got a hard on for Smith.
You are correct, sir.Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
He'll defend Smith to the bitter end...lol.
He finally stopped defending Goodell so I guess he needed someone else. :chuckle:Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
(Sorry, Alex - I'm only busting ya. It's all in good fun. :drink: )
This is 100% true.Quote:
Originally Posted by steelreserve
The last two paragraphs highlight this:
http://www.thepointofpittsburgh.com/...antonio-brown/
It's amazing that once AB went down we didn't have one solid option as a punt returner. Perhaps just as amazing is that it took AB missing a playoff game to get to the point that it came up, in other words how can you get through a 16 game season plus a playoff game and not have a second option as a punt returner? What if AB had twisted his ankle slightly or had to miss a series over an equipment problem? The way Wheaton looked back there you would have been better to just run 11 guys at the punter.
I think Tomlin did a good job this year. But when he says he will keep the coaching staff intact I'm not sure how or why Danny Smith's job is secure?
Boykin could have done it...or at least was more experienced than anyone on the roster...
We didn't. My guess is we had a 2nd option in Dri Archer and then Jacoby Jones. (Actually, Jacoby was the first option until he muffed a few punts). By the time that was over, we had enough injuries we had to fill the roster with other players.Quote:
Originally Posted by zulater
If they had any confidence in Dri as a punt returner they would have tried to ease him into it at least in certain situations over the course of last season and early this season. Remember when they cut Steph Logan, they cited his inability to contribute as a position player on either side of the ball, which made him a luxury they couldn't afford to use up a valuable roster spot on. So fast forward to Dri. Here's a guy who proved to have no value on offense, and he's on our roster at a time when kickoffs have been devalued significantly compared to Logan's time due to moving the ball up 5 yards on kickoffs. If he had any ability to return punts he would have been doing it. I think the degree in difficulty in returning punts is much harder and more cerebral than returning kickoffs. There's so many more variable's involved. So essentially I think if Archer had shown any real ability as a punt returner he probably would have been doing it, and quite likely never would have been cut. I think it was pretty evident they tried everything they could to salvage Archer due to the draft pick they spent on him. I'm guessing he would have looked pretty much the same as Wheaton back there had he remained on the roster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craic
Tomlin has his issues with using defensive players to return kicks...
Boykin, once again, was the answer and Tomlin refused to use him.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2016...f6a0d04cb0.jpg
That is 3 positions that Tomlin refused to use Boykin's talents.
Looks like the Steelers are going all in early in the offseason to find a returner or returners. Both Eli Rodgers and Norwood have demonstrated return skills.
Did they re-sign Rogers?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojouw
Not sure. Steelers Depot lists him as a WR in the offseason preview - http://www.steelersdepot.com/2016/01...ense-overview/Quote:
Originally Posted by 86WARD
That is all I was basing it on. I could be off.