Re-Grading Pittsburgh Steelers' Past 5 Drafts

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...-past-5-drafts


Draft grading is its own cottage industry. But it is a far more constructive exercise to undertake when the players have at least one year of NFL experience to their names. Even better still is to go further out than that to see how well a team not only drafted for that year but also for the future. After all, the teams that fare best in the draft, in the long term, generally have the most success.

So let's take a look at—and give grades to—the Pittsburgh Steelers' past five draft classes. We'll see who panned out, who didn't and who remains on their roster to this day.

I stopped reading after this:
2010 got a B-

AB is arguably the best R6 pick in the past decade; he led the NFL in two receiving categories. Pouncey is a perennial Pro Bowler. Sanders left, but he was a good pick. Worilds wasn't the greatest, but he was a serviceable starter. And, Dwyer contributed while he was here.

I heard a GM state that in any draft, your goal is one good starter, one decent starter, and a role player. That is it. If you look at most drafts, that is the average (which shows how hit & miss the draft really is).

SUMMATION:
So, getting two GREAT players (AB, Pouncey), two other starters (Sanders, Worilds), and a role player (Dwyer) is better than a measly B-.

Really... what more do people expect out of a draft??? :noidea:

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Originally Posted by teegre

I stopped reading after this:
2010 got a B-

AB is arguably the best R6 pick in the past decade; he led the NFL in two receiving categories. Pouncey is a perennial Pro Bowler. Sanders left, but he was a good pick. Worilds wasn't the greatest, but he was a serviceable starter. And, Dwyer contributed while he was here.

I heard a GM state that in any draft, your goal is one good starter, one decent starter, and a role player. That is it. If you look at most drafts, that is the average (which shows how hit & miss the draft really is).

SUMMATION:
So, getting two GREAT players (AB, Pouncey), two other starters (Sanders, Worilds), and a role player (Dwyer) is better than a measly B-.

Really... what more do people expect out of a draft??? :noidea:

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Obviously you are not familiar with the standards for a Steelers draft. Each and every player picked must make multiple Pro Bowls, start in their first season, and be universally regarded as a "steal" at their draft slot -- no overdrafting here! Oh, they must also only ever play for the Steelers.

Clorox Report

its not always who you get .... sometimes it has more to do with who you left on the board

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Originally Posted by teegre

I stopped reading after this:
2010 got a B-

AB is arguably the best R6 pick in the past decade; he led the NFL in two receiving categories. Pouncey is a perennial Pro Bowler. Sanders left, but he was a good pick. Worilds wasn't the greatest, but he was a serviceable starter. And, Dwyer contributed while he was here.

I heard a GM state that in any draft, your goal is one good starter, one decent starter, and a role player. That is it. If you look at most drafts, that is the average (which shows how hit & miss the draft really is).

SUMMATION:
So, getting two GREAT players (AB, Pouncey), two other starters (Sanders, Worilds), and a role player (Dwyer) is better than a measly B-.

Really... what more do people expect out of a draft??? :noidea:

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I don't know. I'd still put it in the B or B- range. Pouncey is excellent, but you're supposed to get a good player in the first round, especially if you spend the pick on an offensive lineman. So I don't look at that as "knocking it out of the park," just a little better than expected. Brown was the steal of the draft, but who else did we really get out of it?

Dwyer and Worilds weren't really contributors; they were guys starting because we didn't have a real impact player at their positions, and most of the time they were just barely struggling along. That's not being a decent starter or role player, that's us being forced to rely on sub-par guys because we didn't have anybody better. I doubt either of them would've started a single game for us in their careers if they'd been on one of our better teams from a few years prior. Might not have even made the roster. And as a bonus, both of them eventually turned out to be head cases. Sanders was OK, but never thrived and was not on the field a whole lot. So we got a third receiver who was available half the time, which I guess is OK, but not a huge payoff for your third-round pick either. That plus two scrubs was all we got out of the rest of the picks.

Look, unless you're very unlucky, you're probably going to get a couple of pretty good players in any draft. But if you don't also get a couple of role players (who actually play their role well), then you're going to be hurting down the road. I actually may like the 2013 draft the best out of this bunch, because we got our one superstar (Bell) for a damn good value, but there's also the possibility that three or four other guys (Wheaton, Williams, Thomas, and yes, maybe Jones) turn out to be serviceable players. Of course, the whole thing could go down the crapper if none of them turn the corner, although I'm pretty confident Williams is at least a reliable backup.

If the Steelers have two great players like Pouncey and Brown in the next draft to the position of CB, S or OLB, I'm sure everyone will be happy...In 2010,our needs were the OL and WR

The 2010 draft by the Steelers is one of the best draft in the last 10 years in the NFL, it's just a shame that Sanders had his breakout year with the Broncos

2010...3 top notch players in 0ne draft is better than a B grade for that draft. Not sure I care who was left on the board, or how good the other draftees turned out. Brown, Sanders, and Pouncey! That's an A draft. Only thing more you could want was for one of the 5th rounders to pan out. Just my opinion.

The only grade I really disagree with is 2010. Like Dwins said, a lot of it (more for me) is who they left on the board. The infamous 2008 draft is the one for me that is the PERFECT example of that...

Going by Similar positioning.

1-Rashard Mendenhall - Ray Rice, Matt Forte, Jamaal Charles, Chris Johnson left on the board.
2-Limas Sweed - Earl Bennett, Mario Manningham, Harry Douglas left on the board.
3-Bruce Davis - Cliff Avril left on the board.

You can go on and on and on (Dennis Dixon instead of Matt Flynn) and really at this point it's all in hindsight, but even to me, at the time some of it was really obvious. Matt Forte and Cliff Avril were my two biggest ones I was pissed about. Never cared for Mendenhall or Davis...I did like the Limas Sweed pick...at the time...lol. He was supposed to take over the world!

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Originally Posted by 86WARD

I did like the Limas Sweed pick...at the time...lol. He was supposed to take over the world!

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SWEEEEEEEEEED!

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Originally Posted by fansince'76

SWEEEEEEEEEED!

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with these examples I stayed with players selected after the Steelers in the same round ( only 14 selections to pick from ) I did not venture to next round in any of the selections
( or could have counted way more valid picks ) sure it is all hindsight but that is what a regrade is hindsight

did not count supplemental picks or picks acquired by trade Holmes for the Antonio Brown selection

2010 RD1 we took Pouncey

could have taken Demaryius Thomas , Bryan Bulaga , ( head case but hard to argue production ) Dez Bryant

RD2 Jason Worilds .... could have had Carlos Dunlap , Sean Lee

RD3 Emmanuel Sanders ... could have had Eric Decker , Jimmy Graham

RD4 Thaddeus Gibson .... could have had Geno Atkins , Al Woods

RD5 Chris Scott ..... could have had Riley Cooper

RD6 Jonathan Dwyer ...could have had James Stark

At the time, I think I'd rather had Pouncey...they needed, really needed that OLine help. I wouldn't have taken Eric Decker over Sanders and as good asmJimmy Graham is, was there a need for TE at that time? But I would take him over Sanders every day. I really liked the Dwyer pick at that time too...

IF they hadn' taken Pouncey, this would have been your starting center:

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Originally Posted by Dwinsgames

with these examples I stayed with players selected after the Steelers in the same round ( only 14 selections to pick from ) I did not venture to next round in any of the selections
( or could have counted way more valid picks ) sure it is all hindsight but that is what a regrade is hindsight

did not count supplemental picks or picks acquired by trade Holmes for the Antonio Brown selection

2010 RD1 we took Pouncey

could have taken Demaryius Thomas , Bryan Bulaga , ( head case but hard to argue production ) Dez Bryant

RD2 Jason Worilds .... could have had Carlos Dunlap , Sean Lee

RD3 Emmanuel Sanders ... could have had Eric Decker , Jimmy Graham

RD4 Thaddeus Gibson .... could have had Geno Atkins , Al Woods

RD5 Chris Scott ..... could have had Riley Cooper

RD6 Jonathan Dwyer ...could have had James Stark

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For the Round 1, the o-line was a big need for the steelers and for the WR......the steelers are very good for Drafted a WR between 3rd to 6th round under Tomlin(Wallace,Brown,Sanders,Bryant,Wheaton), so it was not a good idea to draft a WR in the first round...And Pouncey is much better than Bryan Bulaga.


For Sanders....He is better than Decker(Not even close,jusk ask to Broncos fan)and the steelers did not need of a TE in 2010

Of course, every year, we would like our draft be good as in 1974, but it is impossible...If every year the steelers drafted good players like Sanders, Brown and Pouncey to the need positions,the steelers would have 12-14 win every year

This draft deserve an A

Wow, seems people are really high on the Sanders pick in hindsight. If you're basing that on his production last season with Denver, remember: That was in the Peyton Manning Denver offense. He was half as productive here.

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Originally Posted by steelreserve

Wow, seems people are really high on the Sanders pick in hindsight. If you're basing that on his production last season with Denver, remember: That was in the Peyton Manning Denver offense. He was half as productive here.

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His production may be inflated last year, but he is still a very good player

Sanders was productive enough that the FO kept him from going to the Pats. Stats can mean whatever, value is in the checkbook.

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Originally Posted by 86WARD

At the time, I think I'd rather had Pouncey...they needed, really needed that OLine help.

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Agreed. Hartwig sucked, and almost singlehandedly cost us a Super Bowl to boot. Pouncey was a HUGE upgrade at the position from day one, even if he is a knucklehead off the field at times.

And I admit, center isn't the most "sexy" position to burn a first round pick on, but if the pick affords you the luxury of not having to worry about the position for 12-15 years afterward, it's kinda worth it, IMO.

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Originally Posted by steelreserve

Wow, seems people are really high on the Sanders pick in hindsight. If you're basing that on his production last season with Denver, remember: That was in the Peyton Manning Denver offense. He was half as productive here.

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His inflated value >> Deckers inflated value. Sanders in Pittsburgh >> Decker with the Jets?

Sanders was the #3 WR when we lost to the FudgePackers in the SuperBowl. When he got injured, that hurt. They put in ARE in the slot and AB wasn't used. After that, Sanders was outshined by AB and being hurt in 2011 did not help his cause. Sanders is a good receiver but he is not a playmaker like AB.

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Originally Posted by 86WARD

His inflated value >> Deckers inflated value. Sanders in Pittsburgh >> Decker with the Jets?

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perhaps so , however if you are going to attribute the " Manning Factor" you also have to attribute the " Ben Factor " and I would go on record and say Ben is a LOT closer to Manning in ability than anything the Jets have trotted out at QB since Decker arrived in NY than the distance of any of those are to Ben ... and it is not even close

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Originally Posted by polamalubeast

If the Steelers have two great players like Pouncey and Brown in the next draft to the position of CB, S or OLB, I'm sure everyone will be happy...In 2010,our needs were the OL and WR

The 2010 draft by the Steelers is one of the best draft in the last 10 years in the NFL, it's just a shame that Sanders had his breakout year with the Broncos

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Originally Posted by Born2Steel

2010...3 top notch players in 0ne draft is better than a B grade for that draft. Not sure I care who was left on the board, or how good the other draftees turned out. Brown, Sanders, and Pouncey! That's an A draft. Only thing more you could want was for one of the 5th rounders to pan out. Just my opinion.

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And, this.

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Originally Posted by polamalubeast

For the Round 1, the o-line was a big need for the steelers and for the WR......the steelers are very good for Drafted a WR between 3rd to 6th round under Tomlin(Wallace,Brown,Sanders,Bryant,Wheaton), so it was not a good idea to draft a WR in the first round...And Pouncey is much better than Bryan Bulaga.


For Sanders....He is better than Decker(Not even close,jusk ask to Broncos fan)and the steelers did not need of a TE in 2010

Of course, every year, we would like our draft be good as in 1974, but it is impossible...If every year the steelers drafted good players like Sanders, Brown and Pouncey to the need positions,the steelers would have 12-14 win every year

This draft deserve an A

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And, a whole lot of this.

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Originally Posted by Dwinsgames

perhaps so , however if you are going to attribute the " Manning Factor" you also have to attribute the " Ben Factor " and I would go on record and say Ben is a LOT closer to Manning in ability than anything the Jets have trotted out at QB since Decker arrived in NY than the distance of any of those are to Ben ... and it is not even close

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It's not Manning's ability versus Ben's ability straight-up. They have different habits and styles of play, and Manning's benefit a guy like Sanders tremendously.

Manning favors the #1 and #2 "route running" receivers and tight ends who run intermediate routes. Those guys all do well in his system no matter who they are. Different from, say, the Brady offense that runs the true spread-it-around dink-and-dunk that favors TEs and slot receivers. Or the Ben offense that favors playmakers who can catch a well-timed pass and run away from people, or guys who can come down with the longball. Or the Flacco offense that favors jumpball artists and guys who can draw pass interference.

It's all irrelevant anyway. Sanders was never that successful FOR US. If he goes on to make 15 straight Pro Bowls and break every receiving record in the book, we derive exactly zero benefit from that. Keenan Lewis was another third-round guy who turned into a good player. But his becoming a starter in New Orleans helped us with precisely dick. If you look at what WE got out of it, that turned out to be a terrible draft pick.

You can pat yourself on the back if you want for identifying a good player, I guess. But if he's not playing for you, that doesn't count as a "win." Sanders' time here was nothing to be that excited about, so neither was the pick.

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Originally Posted by steelreserve

It's not Manning's ability versus Ben's ability straight-up. They have different habits and styles of play, and Manning's benefit a guy like Sanders tremendously.

Manning favors the #1 and #2 "route running" receivers and tight ends who run intermediate routes. Those guys all do well in his system no matter who they are. Different from, say, the Brady offense that runs the true spread-it-around dink-and-dunk that favors TEs and slot receivers. Or the Ben offense that favors playmakers who can catch a well-timed pass and run away from people, or guys who can come down with the longball. Or the Flacco offense that favors jumpball artists and guys who can draw pass interference.

It's all irrelevant anyway. Sanders was never that successful FOR US. If he goes on to make 15 straight Pro Bowls and break every receiving record in the book, we derive exactly zero benefit from that. Keenan Lewis was another third-round guy who turned into a good player. But his becoming a starter in New Orleans helped us with precisely dick. If you look at what WE got out of it, that turned out to be a terrible draft pick.

You can pat yourself on the back if you want for identifying a good player, I guess. But if he's not playing for you, that doesn't count as a "win." Sanders' time here was nothing to be that excited about, so neither was the pick.

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Blame the front office or the situation in the salary cap for the reasons why the Steelers have not kept Sanders and especially Lewis.

The only player that the Steelers would have been a better choice than Sanders in round 3, it was Graham, but the Steelers did not need a TE at this time.

And forget Sanders,even with just Brown and Pouncey, it's an incredible draft, since the Steelers took two players they are among the best of their position

The Other players that the Steelers have taken in this draft was not bad too...There has no Dri Archer, Jarvis Jones or Limas Sweed in this draft for the steelers

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Originally Posted by steelreserve

I don't know. I'd still put it in the B or B- range. Pouncey is excellent, but you're supposed to get a good player in the first round, especially if you spend the pick on an offensive lineman. So I don't look at that as "knocking it out of the park," just a little better than expected. Brown was the steal of the draft, but who else did we really get out of it?

Dwyer and Worilds weren't really contributors; they were guys starting because we didn't have a real impact player at their positions, and most of the time they were just barely struggling along. That's not being a decent starter or role player, that's us being forced to rely on sub-par guys because we didn't have anybody better. I doubt either of them would've started a single game for us in their careers if they'd been on one of our better teams from a few years prior. Might not have even made the roster. And as a bonus, both of them eventually turned out to be head cases. Sanders was OK, but never thrived and was not on the field a whole lot. So we got a third receiver who was available half the time, which I guess is OK, but not a huge payoff for your third-round pick either. That plus two scrubs was all we got out of the rest of the picks.

Look, unless you're very unlucky, you're probably going to get a couple of pretty good players in any draft. But if you don't also get a couple of role players (who actually play their role well), then you're going to be hurting down the road. I actually may like the 2013 draft the best out of this bunch, because we got our one superstar (Bell) for a damn good value, but there's also the possibility that three or four other guys (Wheaton, Williams, Thomas, and yes, maybe Jones) turn out to be serviceable players. Of course, the whole thing could go down the crapper if none of them turn the corner, although I'm pretty confident Williams is at least a reliable backup.

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There are 44 All Pro players.
The Steelers had 4 of them.
Pouncey & AB being 2 of those 4.

I heard a stat (on ESPN???) that the averages for R1 picks are as follows:
30% are busts
30% become decent players
30% become good starters
6% become Pro Bowl level players
3% become All Pro level players
1% become Hall of Famers

For Pouncey to be in the top 4%, makes him a great pick.

I heard a GM talking about "draft success", and he stated that a "successful" draft netted: one good starter, one decent starter, and a role-player. That's it. Teams like the Chargers have gone six entire seasons without drafting a Pro Bowl caliber starter. So, for the Steelers to get two All Pros in the same draft is huge.

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Originally Posted by polamalubeast

Blame the front office or the situation in the salary cap for the reasons why the Steelers have not kept Sanders and especially Lewis.

The only player that the Steelers would have been a better choice than Sanders in round 3, it was Graham, but the Steelers did not need a TE at this time.

And forget Sanders,even with just Brown and Pouncey, it's an incredible draft, since the Steelers took two players they are among the best of their position

The Other players that the Steelers have taken in this draft was not bad too...There has no Dri Archer, Jarvis Jones or Limas Sweed in this draft for the steelers

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I do blame the front office and salary cap for that. But I don't rate our draft picks on how much they help the Broncos. The fact is, we don't have Sanders in the years when he is producing, we have a zero instead. His production while he was here was maybe a couple hundred yards more than what you could expect from a replacement-level third receiver. So I don't think that draft pick helped us very much.

As for the 2010 draft overall - I said before, you're supposed to get at least one star player in every draft. If you don't, you really fucked up, even if you're the Browns. We were fortunate enough to get two that year, but then it went off a cliff and we basically wound up with two players total out of 10 picks. Look at our 2002 draft. Now THAT was a draft class that really set us up for success. No really big names there, but SIX building-block guys who contributed. We've really struggled lately to find those mid-level or mid-high contributors in the middle and late rounds of the draft, which is why we have serious depth problems now. "We don't have starters-in-waiting, we have guys who absolutely suck ass," that should be our motto for the backups these days. It's not all about the home run.

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Originally Posted by polamalubeast

The Other players that the Steelers have taken in this draft was not bad too...There has no Dri Archer, Jarvis Jones or Limas Sweed in this draft for the steelers

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There was Jason Worilds.

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As for the 2010 draft overall - I said before, you're supposed to get at least one star player in every draft. If you don't, you really fucked up, even if you're the Browns

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not true....especially when you do not draft in the top 15-20

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There was Jason Worilds

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Not great,but not bad as Archer or Sweed

I look at draft success like this....if in this draft, we get 1 OLB and 1 CB that become quality starters for us, then this is an A draft for us. Out of our 8 picks, I just want 2 good players to fill those roles. I don't care if we miss out on the next Jerome Bettis because, this draft, we don't NEED a RB. If we end up with 3 quality starters from this draft, like in 2010, this will be a very good draft. Very good.

Somebody must have had too many IC Lights when they drafted Archer.