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Vincent
06-27-2010, 10:52 AM
"Changes are needed to ensure that cybersecurity measures do not unnecessarily infringe on free speech, privacy, and other civil liberties interests,"

Bull@#$%. If you still labor under the delusion that this bunch aren't stalinists, please wake up. You people thought the "Patriot Act" was obtrusive, this monster shuts down the whole damn Internet.

And its completely unnecessary.

"Without a definition of critical infrastructure there are concerns that "it includes elements of the Internet that Americans rely on every day to engage in free speech and to access information,"

http://news.techworld.com/security/3228198/obama-internet-kill-switch-plan-approved-by-us-senate/?olo=rss
Obama Internet kill switch plan approved by US Senate
President could get power to turn off Internet
By Grant Gross
Published: 11:02 GMT, 25 June 10

A US Senate committee has approved a wide-ranging cybersecurity bill that some critics have suggested would give the US president the authority to shut down parts of the Internet during a cyberattack.

Senator Joe Lieberman and other bill sponsors have refuted the charges that the Protecting Cyberspace as a National Asset Act gives the president an Internet "kill switch." Instead, the bill puts limits on the powers the president already has to cause "the closing of any facility or stations for wire communication" in a time of war, as described in the Communications Act of 1934, they said in a breakdown of the bill published on the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee website.

The committee unanimously approved an amended version of the legislation by voice vote Thursday, a committee spokeswoman said. The bill next moves to the Senate floor for a vote, which has not yet been scheduled.

Obama security review gets mixed reception

The bill, introduced earlier this month, would establish a White House Office for Cyberspace Policy and a National Center for Cybersecurity and Communications, which would work with private US companies to create cybersecurity requirements for the electrical grid, telecommunications networks and other critical infrastructure.

The bill also would allow the US president to take emergency actions to protect critical parts of the Internet, including ordering owners of critical infrastructure to implement emergency response plans, during a cyber-emergency. The president would need congressional approval to extend a national cyber-emergency beyond 120 days under an amendment to the legislation approved by the committee.

The legislation would give the US Department of Homeland Security authority that it does not now have to respond to cyber-attacks, Lieberman, a Connecticut independent, said earlier this month.

"Our responsibility for cyber defence goes well beyond the public sector because so much of cyberspace is owned and operated by the private sector," he said. "The Department of Homeland Security has actually shown that vulnerabilities in key private sector networks like utilities and communications could bring our economy down for a period of time if attacked or commandeered by a foreign power or cyber terrorists."

Other sponsors of the bill are Senators Susan Collins, a Maine Republican, and Tom Carper, a Delaware Democrat.

One critic said Thursday that the bill will hurt the nation's security, not help it. Security products operate in a competitive market that works best without heavy government intervention, said Wayne Crews, vice president for policy and director of technology studies at the Competitive Enterprise Institute, an anti-regulation think tank.

"Policymakers should reject such proposals to centralize cyber security risk management," Crews said in an e-mail. "The Internet that will evolve if government can resort to a 'kill switch' will be vastly different from, and inferior to, the safer one that will emerge otherwise."

Cybersecurity technologies and services thrive on competition, he added. "The unmistakable tenor of the cybersecurity discussion today is that of government steering while the market rows," he said. "To be sure, law enforcement has a crucial role in punishing intrusions on private networks and infrastructure. But government must coexist with, rather than crowd out, private sector security technologies."

On Wednesday, 24 privacy and civil liberties groups sent a letter raising concerns about the legislation to the sponsors. The bill gives the new National Center for Cybersecurity and Communications "significant authority" over critical infrastructure, but doesn't define what critical infrastructure is covered, the letter said.

Without a definition of critical infrastructure there are concerns that "it includes elements of the Internet that Americans rely on every day to engage in free speech and to access information," said the letter, signed by the Center for Democracy and Technology, the American Civil Liberties Union, the Electronic Frontier Foundation and other groups.

"Changes are needed to ensure that cybersecurity measures do not unnecessarily infringe on free speech, privacy, and other civil liberties interests," the letter added.

The Patriot
06-27-2010, 08:27 PM
Oh noes! It's not like the CIA couldn't probably do that already.

Vincent
06-27-2010, 10:01 PM
Oh noes! It's not like the CIA couldn't probably do that already.

The gubmint has no right to do that. The Internet doesn't belong to anybody.

The "homeland security" angle is bull@#$%. Anybody can be tracked or blocked. Its another stalinist power grab by the last individual in the world that should have such power in his hands.

The Patriot
06-28-2010, 10:01 AM
The gubmint has no right to do that. The Internet doesn't belong to anybody.

The "homeland security" angle is bull@#$%. Anybody can be tracked or blocked. Its another stalinist power grab by the last individual in the world that should have such power in his hands.

I agree with you up until the Stalinist part. It is a stupid plan. I think they're worried about China. If Obama started censoring the internet, I'd march on Washington with a torch tomorrow (no joke).

7SteelGal43
06-28-2010, 10:35 AM
Oh noes! It's not like the CIA couldn't probably do that already.

Oh Noes! Liberals who blasted bu..bu..bu..Bush for the Patriot act are fine with the annointed one giving himself power to kill the internet 'in case of emergency' :wink02:

Vincent
06-28-2010, 10:42 AM
I agree with you up until the Stalinist part. It is a stupid plan. I think they're worried about China. If Obama started censoring the internet, I'd march on Washington with a torch tomorrow (no joke).

This has nothing to do with China. No amount of shutting down anything mitigates "that" problem.

Ostensibly this is about blocking and containing communication among the bad guys in the event of an unpleasant event. There is no need to "kill the Internet" in such a scenario. In fact, it'd make the situation worse.

This is about shutting down the United States in a whim without the balance of power that was designed to keep stalinists from doing such things.

Wallace108
06-28-2010, 10:43 AM
Oh Noes! Liberals who blasted bu..bu..bu..Bush for the Patriot act are fine with the annointed one giving himself power to kill the internet 'in case of emergency' :wink02:

Bush + Patriot Act = http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:zVKuUdKnZwXXoM:http://www.clipartof.com/images/clipart/xsmall2/32125_expressive_yellow_smiley_face_emoticon_with_ devil_ears_and_a_forked_tail.jpg
Obama + Internet kill switch = http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:RiyyJiLAhnZRvM:http://images.clipartof.com/small/22152-Clipart-Illustration-Of-A-Yellow-Emoticon-Face-Sleeping-And-Drooling-With-A-Puddle-Of-Liquid.jpg

Vincent
06-28-2010, 10:46 AM
http://s647.photobucket.com/albums/uu191/vinnyq/ilDuceObama.jpg

Mach1
06-28-2010, 10:50 AM
The gubmint has no right to do that. The Internet doesn't belong to anybody.

It belongs to the inventor, Gore. :chuckle:

Excuse me I have a round of golf to go play.

The Patriot
06-28-2010, 10:53 AM
Oh Noes! Liberals who blasted bu..bu..bu..Bush for the Patriot act are fine with the annointed one giving himself power to kill the internet 'in case of emergency' :wink02:

You're right. And Obama renewed the Patriot Act as well. I had better keep readjusting my notions of "change".

Vincent
06-28-2010, 11:23 AM
I had better keep readjusting my notions of "change".

They "changed". So can you.

http://monkeysmashesheaven.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/stalin-2.jpg http://www.damonchernavsky.com/Pictures/Pictures_Of_US_Presidents/Barack_Obama/Young_Barack_Obama/barack-obama-smile.jpg

MasterOfPuppets
06-28-2010, 06:19 PM
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st33lersguy
06-28-2010, 06:59 PM
Hey government....GET THE HELL OUT OF MY LIFE!! The only reform we need is government reform, aka government shrinking