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Vincent
06-24-2010, 07:40 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPtaMgqOwL4

CantStop85
06-24-2010, 10:38 PM
Yes.

Vincent
06-24-2010, 11:07 PM
Yes.

Ya sure?

http://www.steeluniverse.net/forums/showthread.php?936-Oil-Rain-in-Louisiana&p=17124&viewfull=1#post17124

tony hipchest
06-24-2010, 11:27 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbbsytHDp2o

this presents a dilemma for ultra Christian conservatives. if they accept this, then they must accept man made global warming as punishment, too.

but then again, i forgot... God roots for the republicans.

oh well. atleast everyone has forgotten that in 20 years all the rain forests will be wiped clean off the earth (not like they matter or anything).

The Patriot
06-25-2010, 12:20 AM
The Nazis atrociously kill over six million Jews, but when Obama decides not to automatically stand with Israel on all UN Security Council decisions, God draws the line? :der:

Wallace108
06-25-2010, 12:26 AM
The Nazis atrociously kill over six million Jews, but when Obama decides not to automatically stand with Israel on all UN Security Council decisions, God draws the line? :der:

I've heard he works in mysterious ways. :noidea: :chuckle:

Vincent
06-25-2010, 12:33 AM
this presents a dilemma for ultra Christian conservatives. if they accept this, then they must accept man made global warming as punishment, too.

That doesn't follow. If you accept this as presented as retribution for stepping back from Israel, then its an "act of God". If you believe that "global warming" is the result of Man's behavior, then it is the cumulative effect of something we did. There is no relationship to the former.

If you dismiss "global warming", there is no "punishment", and therefore no dilemma.

tony hipchest
06-25-2010, 12:43 AM
That doesn't follow. If you accept this as presented as retribution for stepping back from Israel, then its an "act of God". If you believe that "global warming" is the result of Man's behavior, then it is the cumulative effect of something we did. There is no relationship to the former.

If you dismiss "global warming", there is no "punishment", and therefore no dilemma.it certainly follows with me.

im sure in Gods eyes pissing on the planet is akin to pissing on the jews.

say you build and landscape a beautiful piece of land. then you build a beautiful house on that piece of land for your family.

if a stray dog comes along and shits on your grass, you may be irritated. if it shits on your carpet and your wife steps in it and smears it into the stainmaster youre likely to be livid.

either way, youre pretty ticked off, and the stupid dog is likely to get kicked in the ribs or shot with a pellet gun.

Vincent
06-25-2010, 12:51 AM
Mach 1 has a good thread in BSing that I referenced above. He found an article that speaks to the dimensions of this disaster...

"the British Petroleum (BP) oil and gas leak in the Gulf of Mexico is about to become the worst environmental catastrophe in all of human history threatening the entire eastern half of the North American continent with “total destruction”."

"As the water in the Gulf of Mexico heats up, Corexit 9500 goes through a molecular transition. It changes from a liquid to a gas, which is readily absorbed by clouds and released as toxic rain. The chemical-laden rain then falls on crops, reservoirs, animals and of course, people."

http://www.examiner.com/x-33986-Political-Spin-Examiner~y2010m6d17-North-America-facing-years-of-toxic-rain-from-poisonous-BP-oil-spill-dispersants

Those thast haven't seen "The Road" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0898367/) might want to catch a glimpse of our possible future.

Vincent
06-25-2010, 12:57 AM
it certainly follows with me.

While I agree that God has cause to be irritated with our poor stewardship of the planet, I don't agree with the premise of "man made global warming". IMHO, that premise is arrogant on man's part to assume we have the capability to alter climate.

Wallace108
06-25-2010, 01:13 AM
For some reason, this conversation reminds me of George Carlin (NSFW):


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOOc5yiIWkg

Vincent
06-25-2010, 06:29 PM
Are you sure?

Matt Simmons. the Houston energy banker and author of Twilight in the Desert says we basically have two options: Let the well run dry (taking 30 years, and probably ruining the Atlantic ocean) or nuking the well. (@4:45 in the video). Barring those things, the best move would be to use supertankers to suck up as much oil as possible ahead of hurricane season, when the oil will be picked up, and will paint the Gulf Coast black.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DikQcJTelqc

7SteelGal43
06-25-2010, 07:18 PM
"Pray for the peace of Jerusalem. They shall prosper that love her"

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/10218179/2/istockphoto_10218179-american-and-israeli-friendship-flag.jpg

Vincent
06-25-2010, 07:33 PM
What happens when a hurricane goes through those several gagillion barrels of oil in the Gulf? It'll take the oil with it and rain it down on all in it;s path. What would happen if lightning were to occur in that raging oil?

Team O have stated that a nuclear option for ending this catastrophe is not on the table despite being warned by both Russian and American experts that thats really the only choice to avert total disaster (read: the Eastern half of North America is uninhabitable, the Gulf and the Atlantic are destroyed, and Europe is toast)

Coincidence?

Vincent
06-25-2010, 07:53 PM
For some reason, this conversation reminds me of George Carlin (NSFW):


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOOc5yiIWkg

That sums up my very limited concern about "climate change" bull@#$% very nicely. Man's arrogance is remarkable.

And if I may suggest, this "coincidence" does not run counter to that thinking. This oil in the Gulf has the potential to render two continents uninhabitable, and destroy two of the largest bodies of water on the planet. That's bad news for...? If you guessed "us", you are correct. The planet will cleanse itself in its own time and go on. The oil, after all, came from the planet.

In the context of the timeline George jokes about, we are but a vapor. Of no consequence beyond our own self importance.

tony hipchest
06-25-2010, 07:55 PM
rush limbaugh (or about a million other conservatives) should sacrifice their head to pug the well. they can be like the giraffe in madagascar II.

its a shame that republican stallwarts such as cheney and bush already know the solution to the problem but are holding out on the rest of the world.

all kidding aside, that is really f-ed up if there is 30 years of oil trapped in that well at this spill rate. im suprised several members of steelerfan message board sites havent yet been consulted to offer a quick sustainable solution.

Vincent
06-25-2010, 08:06 PM
If there is a silver cloud to this it is that there won't be political parties in North America any more.

tony hipchest
06-25-2010, 08:37 PM
IMHO, that premise is arrogant on man's part to assume we have the capability to alter climate.unfortunately mankind has had the power to not only alter the climate but to destroy the earth 1000 X over at their fingertips for 50 years.

nuclear winter.


If there is a silver cloud to this it is that there won't be political parties in North America any more. if youre into biblical allegories, the story of adam and eve is a microcosm of what is going on today. mankind has eaten from the tree of knowledge. we can fly to the moon, explain quantum physics, see galaxies a trillion miles away, detect black holes...

hell, we even think we can explain how emptiness and dark space X infinity (plus everything contained within) came into existance.

Vincent
06-25-2010, 08:42 PM
if youre into biblical allegories, the story of adam and eve is a microcosm of what is going on today. mankind has eaten from the tree of knowledge. we can fly to the moon, explain quantum physics, see galaxies a trillion miles away, detect black holes...

hell, we even think we can explain how emptiness and dark space X infinity (plus everything contained within) came into existance.

But we've lost all contact with our Father. Which was the problem with the apple.

tony hipchest
06-25-2010, 08:47 PM
exactly! for being nearly 5000 years old it is amazing how relevant and living those ancient 'stories" still are.

Vincent
06-25-2010, 11:16 PM
exactly! for being nearly 5000 years old it is amazing how relevant and living those ancient 'stories" still are.

There is nothing new under the Sun.

Vincent
07-01-2010, 11:30 AM
Madam Rottweiler's husband has been publicly suggesting that "WE" nuke the well. Interesting concept. The sovs have done it a few times.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSdEzReQHY8

The WH
07-01-2010, 03:45 PM
Fuck it, call in Macguyver

The Patriot
07-01-2010, 08:01 PM
Madam Rottweiler's husband has been publicly suggesting that "WE" nuke the well. Interesting concept. The sovs have done it a few times.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSdEzReQHY8

We should probably try smaller explosives first, before we detonate a nuke. It's just a tiny well.

7SteelGal43
07-02-2010, 10:14 AM
Fuck it, call in Macguyver

nah...we need THIS guy

http://gordonandthewhale.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/macgruber-2.png

Vincent
07-03-2010, 08:18 AM
Threat to the Atlantic Ocean?

To this point there is a virtual media blackout as to the severity of this situation. If the gubmint is admitting that there is even a chance that this reaches the Atlantic, its serious.

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/bp-oil-spill-tourism-industry-suffering-july-weekend/story?id=11077632
BP Oil Spill: Tourism Industry Suffering on July 4th Weekend
As Oil Threatens Miami, Tourism Business Down Along the Gulf Coast

By MATT GUTMAN
DAUPHIN ISLAND, Ala. July 2, 2010

On Day 74 of the BP oil spill, there is growing fear that the oil-polluted waters could soon spread beyond the boundaries of the Gulf of Mexico, threatening the tourism industry along the eastern Florida coast.

Government forecasters now say there's up to an 80 percent chance that the massive spill will reach the waters off Miami by the middle of August, caught in the loop current around Florida and then pushed northward up the state's east coast at a rate of 100 miles per day.

"Just because it's not happening now, it's still prudent to plan that there is a possibility for that to happen," warned NOAA scientist Debbie Payton today.

If it gets in the loop current, the oil would bypass Florida's west coast, but it would thread through the delicate environment of the Florida Keys before moving toward Miami and Ft. Lauderdale. Most forecasts anticipate that Louisiana will continue to be besieged by the oil, though Texas will be spared.

NOAA officials say that Miami would see weathered tarballs, not thick blankets of oil, but that type of material has already been enough to sap places like Dauphin Island, Ala. of beachgoers.

No Tourists on Dauphin Island Beaches

Along the Gulf Coast, it should have been a fun holiday weekend with free-spending tourists packing the beaches, but instead cleanup crews patrol the sand.

Dauphin Island real estate agent Amy Vice said bookings have dropped dramatically.

"Last year this time I had 111," Vice said. "We've got ten coming in tomorrow.

Vice said that most of her day is spent sifting through cancellations.

"I'm afraid that what's going to happen is once it is capped and it's finished and cleaned up, people won't come back," Vice said. "We have a lot of repeat customers and they're trying to keep with us, but they are afraid to bring their families down here."

The WH
07-03-2010, 09:21 AM
oh well. atleast everyone has forgotten that in 20 years all the rain forests will be wiped clean off the earth (not like they matter or anything). Obama's fault.