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Craic
07-28-2011, 11:25 PM
So I've been thinking about why Starks would be released with 2 years left on his contract and Colon resigned. They are both coming off injuries, both injuries ended the careers of good lineman in the last decade. So what made them make the move??

Then it hit me. Let's take a look at a trend.

1. Kemo. Ejected from back to back games for kicking an opponent in college. That's right. He came in for six plays after serving a suspension, then did it again. He was fined $12,500 for late hits against Baltimore in the playoffs last year. Yeah, an Olineman getting fined for late hits. Gotta love that. Kugler's thoughts? "That’s his style of play, and sometimes it ends up the wrong way, but I love the way the guy plays. I love his temperament and his demeanor.”

2. Colon. One of my favorite writeups about him came from PIttsburghlive-- a "feisty hothead." Anyone remember Colon's rookie camp when he went toe to toe with Joey Porter? Porter was at the top of his game and a star, Colon was a guy just barely trying to make the team.

3. Flozell Adams in 2009 had five unnecessary roughness penalties including kicking a player, and was fined for $12,500, $5,000 $50,000 and prob. more.

4. Pouncey is making a name for himself, including putting out Dwan Edwards in the first quarter with a shot to the back. The guy is mean.

Now, let's talk about Starks. Not aggressive, he doesn't have a mean bone in his body.


I think the reason we're seeing these things, as I've hinted at in other posts, is the fact that the majority of the guys who remain are simply mean, or have a mean streak.

Then there's Craig Wolfey's take on the coach.


Number one, he’s played the position. He brings an attitude. He celebrates the physical style of play. When their coach becomes someone that they want to be one of his guys, then you want to be that guy. If you see highlights on film of guys throwing guys down, you want to be the guy throwing guys down. He engenders a great sense of guys busting their humps for him,” he said.

Yeah, I think I'm seeing a pattern.

It reminds me of something....

(Warning: Language)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0FE2RGDzAo&feature=related




It's a shame our defense doesn't have any kind of nastiness what so ever.












:sarcasm:

steelerfan
07-28-2011, 11:53 PM
So I've been thinking about why Starks would be released with 2 years left on his contract and Colon resigned. They are both coming off injuries, both injuries ended the careers of good lineman in the last decade. So what made them make the move??

Then it hit me. Let's take a look at a trend.

1. Kemo. Ejected from back to back games for kicking an opponent in college. That's right. He came in for six plays after serving a suspension, then did it again. He was fined $12,500 for late hits against Baltimore in the playoffs last year. Yeah, an Olineman getting fined for late hits. Gotta love that. Kugler's thoughts? "That’s his style of play, and sometimes it ends up the wrong way, but I love the way the guy plays. I love his temperament and his demeanor.”

2. Colon. One of my favorite writeups about him came from PIttsburghlive-- a "feisty hothead." Anyone remember Colon's rookie camp when he went toe to toe with Joey Porter? Porter was at the top of his game and a star, Colon was a guy just barely trying to make the team.

3. Flozell Adams in 2009 had five unnecessary roughness penalties including kicking a player, and was fined for $12,500, $5,000 $50,000 and prob. more.

4. Pouncey is making a name for himself, including putting out Dwan Edwards in the first quarter with a shot to the back. The guy is mean.

Now, let's talk about Starks. Not aggressive, he doesn't have a mean bone in his body.


I think the reason we're seeing these things, as I've hinted at in other posts, is the fact that the majority of the guys who remain are simply mean, or have a mean streak.

Then there's Craig Wolfey's take on the coach.



Yeah, I think I'm seeing a pattern.

It reminds me of something....

(Warning: Language)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0FE2RGDzAo&feature=related




It's a shame our defense doesn't have any kind of nastiness what so ever.












:sarcasm:





This from Max Starks draft profile from SI.com.








Grading System (http://www.steelersuniverse.com/football/2004/draft/grading_system/)




MAX STARKS




http://www.steelersuniverse.com/football/2004/draft/players/images/max_starks.jpg
Position: OT (http://www.steelersuniverse.com/football/2004/draft/breakdowns/by_position/ot.html)

Class: Sr
School: Florida (http://www.steelersuniverse.com/football/2004/draft/breakdowns/by_school/florida.html)

Conference: SEC (http://www.steelersuniverse.com/football/2004/draft/breakdowns/by_conference/sec.html)

Ht., Wt.: 6'7, 350
40 Time: 5.38
Grade:
3.76

Selected by Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.steelersuniverse.com/football/2004/draft/teams/steelers.html)
Round 3 (http://www.steelersuniverse.com/football/2004/draft/breakdowns/by_round/3.html), pick 12 (75
overall)




BIO: Three-year
starter used at both left and right tackle as well as right guard. All-SEC first
team selection by the coaches as a senior.

POSITIVES: King-sized
lineman that dominates opponents at the point of attack. Quick getting into
blocks, engulfs defenders, totally removing them from the action. Works to stay
square, fights with his hands and easily controls opponents once engaged in a
block. Helps out linemates and mentally alert. Blocks with a wide base, forward
lean and goes hard until the whistle blows.

NEGATIVES: Works to
keep his feet moving but lacks lateral slide skills. Marginal abilities on the
second level. Lumbers and lacks balance.

ANALYSIS: A nasty lineman
that takes pride in his work, Starks' versatility and ability to dominate
opponents bodes well for the next level. Does not have the feet or agility to be
a blind-side tackle but could effectively man either positions on the right side
of the line.

PROJECTION: Early Third Round







So much for your take on Starks not being Nasty!

Chidi29
07-29-2011, 12:12 AM
College was a long time ago. starks definitely wasn't as nasty as his size would indicate.

LLT
07-29-2011, 12:17 AM
This from Max Starks draft profile from SI.com.





Grading System (http://www.steelersuniverse.com/football/2004/draft/grading_system/)


MAX STARKS


http://www.steelersuniverse.com/football/2004/draft/players/images/max_starks.jpg
Position: OT (http://www.steelersuniverse.com/football/2004/draft/breakdowns/by_position/ot.html)

Class: Sr
School: Florida (http://www.steelersuniverse.com/football/2004/draft/breakdowns/by_school/florida.html)

Conference: SEC (http://www.steelersuniverse.com/football/2004/draft/breakdowns/by_conference/sec.html)

Ht., Wt.: 6'7, 350
40 Time: 5.38
Grade:
3.76

Selected by Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.steelersuniverse.com/football/2004/draft/teams/steelers.html)
Round 3 (http://www.steelersuniverse.com/football/2004/draft/breakdowns/by_round/3.html), pick 12 (75
overall)


BIO: Three-year
starter used at both left and right tackle as well as right guard. All-SEC first
team selection by the coaches as a senior.

POSITIVES: King-sized
lineman that dominates opponents at the point of attack. Quick getting into
blocks, engulfs defenders, totally removing them from the action. Works to stay
square, fights with his hands and easily controls opponents once engaged in a
block. Helps out linemates and mentally alert. Blocks with a wide base, forward
lean and goes hard until the whistle blows.

NEGATIVES: Works to
keep his feet moving but lacks lateral slide skills. Marginal abilities on the
second level. Lumbers and lacks balance.

ANALYSIS: A nasty lineman
that takes pride in his work, Starks' versatility and ability to dominate
opponents bodes well for the next level. Does not have the feet or agility to be
a blind-side tackle but could effectively man either positions on the right side
of the line.

PROJECTION: Early Third Round







So much for your take on Starks not being Nasty!




So....Max Starks IS nasty ...because you found an SI article from the year he was drafted.???

Yep...lets throw away all the actual game footage on Starks....SI said he was nasty several years ago...so it MUST be true.

7willBheaven
07-29-2011, 12:33 AM
So....Max Starks IS nasty ...because you found an SI article from the year he was drafted.???

Yep...lets throw away all the actally game footage on Starks....SI said he was nasty several years ago...so it MUST be true.

It IS on the internet...so it HAS TO/MUST be true...duh!!! Hahaha

Craic
07-29-2011, 12:59 AM
I know that's his draft report, but I remember him being benched and part of it was that he just wasn't aggressive enough. Matter of fact, I even recall one of the coaches talking him not getting fired up. Just even tempered, even in games.

43Hitman
07-29-2011, 01:37 AM
Yeah I see a trend too Preach, not saying you're 100% on the money here, but it certainly makes sense. One of the things our running game has lacked over the last couple of years (mainly since Bettis retired) is nastiness. Max has always seemed so nonchalant to me, and with this last neck/back injury, I don't fault management one bit for moving in a different direction. I have always said that I trust the FO, and I will continue to trust the front office. They really haven't let us down in the last 15 years or so.