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Nadroj 20
07-09-2011, 01:06 PM
On a home run in the bottom of the 3rd inning against the Rays. David Price gets the honor of giving it up :chuckle:

Congratulations to the captain! I've always been a Jeter fan and I'm very happy for him!

steeldevil
07-09-2011, 01:22 PM
If he wasn't part of the evil empire then it would be cool, but he is a part of the evil empire. So....

Nadroj 20
07-09-2011, 01:33 PM
:chuckle:

I understand man, I hate the yankees too. But I liked Jeter when I was a lot younger before I knew the evil that was the new york yankees so it just stuck.

oneforthetoe
07-09-2011, 02:02 PM
Hate the Yankees, but quite an accomplishment. So, congrats Jeter.

Least he could do is thank his hitting coach.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/original/000/124/933/1304376955947.png?1305859987

venom
07-09-2011, 05:41 PM
http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2011/07/10/wide_jeter_3000_gwh.jpg (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2011/07/09/2011-07-09_derek_jeter_3000_yankees_captain_collects_miles tone_hit_with_home_run_off_rays_d.html)

venom
07-09-2011, 05:42 PM
http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2011/07/09/sports/web_photos/jeter_deep165931.jpg

venom
07-09-2011, 05:44 PM
Being a lifelong Yankee fan , it was great to see Jeter get his 3,000 hit today also with the game winning hit in the bottom of the 8th. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy . Gentleman on and off the field . Congrats Captain !!!

venom
07-09-2011, 05:54 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7PZXMhcw8d0

Count Steeler
07-09-2011, 06:39 PM
What I find amazing is he if the first Yankee to do it. I never would have guessed that. With all the Yankee greats through the years, Jeter is the first and only Yankee with 3000. Quite an accomplishment.

polamalubeast
07-09-2011, 07:31 PM
I am a Red Sox fan, but I congratulate Jeter!

What a career!

86WARD
07-09-2011, 08:09 PM
Did it in style too...

HometownGal
07-09-2011, 08:21 PM
I can't stand the Yanks but I've always loved Jeter! Plus - he's damned HOT! :eyebrows:

Congrats Derek! :drink:

Count Steeler
07-09-2011, 11:03 PM
I love the fact that every time someone achieves this milestone, Roberto Clemente gets mentioned. Amazing that Roberto ended right on 3000, almost like he is St Peter to the hitter's heaven.

suitanim
07-10-2011, 04:41 AM
Certainly can't hurt playing for a team usually filled with guys hitting .300 all around him.

steelerdude15
07-10-2011, 05:47 PM
Congrats Derek. That's quite an accomplishment. Of course theres always Bobbies....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsmqqPxb_xM

Nadroj 20
07-10-2011, 09:27 PM
Certainly can't hurt playing for a team usually filled with guys hitting .300 all around him.

to be fair he is the leadoff hitter.

suitanim
07-11-2011, 09:34 AM
That really only matters about 1 out of every 4-5 at-bats (first time up).

Yankees team batting average by year since 1995 (Jeter's rookie season)
2011- 8th
2010- 10th
2009- 2nd
2008- 6th
2007- 1st
2006- 2nd
2005- 2nd
2004- 15th
2003- 8th
2002- 3rd
2001- 10th
1999- 4th
1998- 3rd
1997- 3rd
1996- 3rd
1995- 7th

Average team batting avg. rank is 5.4th.

THAT makes a big difference.

Nadroj 20
07-11-2011, 10:24 AM
That really only matters about 1 out of every 4-5 at-bats (first time up).

Yankees team batting average by year since 1995 (Jeter's rookie season)
2011- 8th
2010- 10th
2009- 2nd
2008- 6th
2007- 1st
2006- 2nd
2005- 2nd
2004- 15th
2003- 8th
2002- 3rd
2001- 10th
1999- 4th
1998- 3rd
1997- 3rd
1996- 3rd
1995- 7th

Average team batting avg. rank is 5.4th.

THAT makes a big difference.

He is the only yankee to do it.

He would have done it anywhere he played..hes a great hitter

suitanim
07-11-2011, 10:54 AM
I'd guess he'd be short about 250 hits if he played on a team that had a batting average that was ranked 15th, and probably 350 hits short if he was on a team that was near the bottom.

Even the 9-hole hitter for the Yanks probably bats, on average, .40-.50 points higher than comparable players on teams in the bottom half of the league. He's protected on both sides...most years there is just no let-up top-to-bottom in the Yanks line-up. It makes it impossible to pitch to them...toss in a great hitter like Jeter in a line-up filled with really good (and a few other great) hitters, and it definitely has an impact on his ability to get better looks.

Look, I'll give him credit. He is a GREAT hitter, one of the best all-time. But you can't have an honest baseball discussion about the Yanks without mentioning the fact that they pay top-dollar year after year to make sure their line-up is stacked from top-to-bottom with solid hitters. There is also the fact that the umps favor the Yankees with a generous strike zone for their pitchers, and a smaller strike zone for their hitters. If you're Herm Schwartz, recently called up from AAA to play for the Royals, your strike zone is twice as big as Derek Jeter's, who will take a strike in a full count if it's not where he likes it and draw the walk 8 times out of ten.

Count Steeler
07-11-2011, 03:42 PM
That really only matters about 1 out of every 4-5 at-bats (first time up).

Yankees team batting average by year since 1995 (Jeter's rookie season)
2011- 8th
2010- 10th
2009- 2nd
2008- 6th
2007- 1st
2006- 2nd
2005- 2nd
2004- 15th
2003- 8th
2002- 3rd
2001- 10th
1999- 4th
1998- 3rd
1997- 3rd
1996- 3rd
1995- 7th

Average team batting avg. rank is 5.4th.

THAT makes a big difference.

How much of a difference does he make to that? Would they be 7th without Jeter? Don't know, can't tell. How much does he help other players? Works both ways.

suitanim
07-11-2011, 03:48 PM
If his average was 1.000, then it DOES matter...otherwise, not really. Watch Bull Durham. Kevin Costner's character Crash Davis explains hitting beautifully for average beautifully.

A single player is only going to lift an entire teams batting average a couple points at best. You're trying to wag the dog by his tail here...

Count Steeler
07-11-2011, 03:54 PM
Does Ruth help Gehrig or does Gehrig help Ruth?

suitanim
07-12-2011, 06:22 AM
I'm not sure I understand- are you suggesting that having good hitters around a good hitter doesn't help?

Count Steeler
07-12-2011, 07:21 AM
I'm not sure I understand- are you suggesting that having good hitters around a good hitter doesn't help?

Works both ways. A good hitter can elevate those around him as much as those around him can elevate him. You are only presenting the one side of the equation.

suitanim
07-12-2011, 11:05 AM
No, actually, you are leaving it out of YOUR calculations completely, not crediting the fact that Jeter ALWAYS has a superior hitter ahead of him (at least 3, actually, as #2 is a glorified lead-off man, your hitter with the 2nd best OBP, 3 hole is your best combo hitter [hitting for power and average], and 4th is your best power hitter...so the pitcher has nothing even approaching a break for 3-4 more batters). You can't JUST say "Jeter helps those around him". He may in fact help the #9 hitter a bit...maybe. But looking at their prevailing line-up last week, it was Jeter, Granderson (who's as hot as anybody in the league right now), Teixeira, A-Rod, and Cano (who just won the HR derby)...any one of those guys would be the best hitter on more than one team in MLB. He's got 4 of them hitting in front of him.

Furthermore, in the last couple seasons case at least, Jeter is aided by the fact that Brett Gardner, while not a dominant hitter, is a GREAT base stealer. The distraction of the pitcher having to pitch from the stretch whilst being distracted also aids Jeter in getting better looks. I'd also surmise that the Yanks, by way of being about the 5th best hitting team over the last 16 years, probably has had one of the better 9th batters in the league over that same stretch.

Look, I'm not detracting from Jeter's ability to hit, merely saying that it is advantageous to ANY player seeking to set or break records to do it in pinstripes.

venom
07-12-2011, 12:10 PM
I can imagine what will happen when/if AROD gets his 3,000th hit next year ( if memory serves me right , he's around 2,700 hits )

suitanim
07-12-2011, 12:31 PM
To be fair, A-Rod played more than half his career with Seattle and Texas. Neither team was stacked with hitters like NY is (and has been). It will be a more impressive feat for A-Rod if he manages it...

Count Steeler
07-12-2011, 12:46 PM
No, actually, you are leaving it out of YOUR calculations completely, not crediting the fact that Jeter ALWAYS has a superior hitter ahead of him (at least 3, actually, as #2 is a glorified lead-off man, your hitter with the 2nd best OBP, 3 hole is your best combo hitter [hitting for power and average], and 4th is your best power hitter...so the pitcher has nothing even approaching a break for 3-4 more batters). You can't JUST say "Jeter helps those around him". He may in fact help the #9 hitter a bit...maybe. But looking at their prevailing line-up last week, it was Jeter, Granderson (who's as hot as anybody in the league right now), Teixeira, A-Rod, and Cano (who just won the HR derby)...any one of those guys would be the best hitter on more than one team in MLB. He's got 4 of them hitting in front of him.

Furthermore, in the last couple seasons case at least, Jeter is aided by the fact that Brett Gardner, while not a dominant hitter, is a GREAT base stealer. The distraction of the pitcher having to pitch from the stretch whilst being distracted also aids Jeter in getting better looks. I'd also surmise that the Yanks, by way of being about the 5th best hitting team over the last 16 years, probably has had one of the better 9th batters in the league over that same stretch.

Look, I'm not detracting from Jeter's ability to hit, merely saying that it is advantageous to ANY player seeking to set or break records to do it in pinstripes.

And how many Yankees have achieved 3000 hits?

venom
07-12-2011, 01:37 PM
And how many Yankees have achieved 3000 hits?

You mean which Yankees achieved any total over 2721 ?

suitanim
07-13-2011, 07:57 AM
There are only 28 people in the club, so it's not like this is a common occurrence. To keep things in perspective, the FIRST player to reach 3,000 hits did so in 1897. That's 114 years ago. I think most people are a bit surprised about Jeter being the first Yank...and one of the reasons for that is the fact that they have had so many formidable hitters on their roster over the years, and so may line-ups deep with solid hitters. Which is really just the point I am making...it's easier to get 3,000 hits with a help.

Count Steeler
07-13-2011, 11:10 AM
Look, I'll give him credit. He is a GREAT hitter, one of the best all-time.

I agree.

suitanim
07-13-2011, 11:13 AM
Even if he'd have played for a team like the Pirates, had little help, and ended up with 2750 hits, he'd still be considered one of the best ever.