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steelerfan
04-13-2011, 12:54 PM
Hey guys. I thought I would start a thread where we can all mention a certain player, and get others thoughts on those players. That way we can have ONE thread to discuss potential Steeler targets, and who we personally may like. Okay, I'll start. I was wondering, if he were there in round 3, what are everyones thoughts on West Virgina FS, Robert Sands ?

The guy seems to have better then average physical traits. And at 6ft, 4 220 Lbs, he would be a great defender against the bigger WR's in endzone jump balls and fades. Anyone here think he might make a decent replacement for Ryan Clark in a year ?


Thanks :clap2:

The Duke
04-13-2011, 03:22 PM
Don't know much about him, but I heard that after his combine performance he's being thought of as more of a LB than a DB because of his lack of speed and huge size

steelerfan
04-13-2011, 03:33 PM
Don't know much about him, but I heard that after his combine performance he's being thought of as more of a LB than a DB because of his lack of speed and huge size



You heard that ? Really, from who ? Cause he ran a 4.52 forty, and that's faster then Aaron Williams, the Texas DB we are thinking about taking in round 1. Let alone round 3. And Sands has better agility times then alot of Safties in this draft. I've looked, and I can't find a one who says Sands may have to play LB in the Pros. At 217 Lbs, what LB is that light ?

Chidi29
04-13-2011, 03:36 PM
Never watched him closely but anytime you're that tall, you're going to have issues being fluid and turning your hips without a hitch. Afraid teams will actually target him deep and see if they can get their speedy receiver behind him.

steelerfan
04-13-2011, 03:43 PM
Never watched him closely but anytime you're that tall, you're going to have issues being fluid and turning your hips without a hitch. Afraid teams will actually target him deep and see if they can get their speedy receiver behind him.



Normally I would agree but all the reports on him say he can shuffle and twist and turn with WR's. And his shuttle times were better then any of the top 5 CB's in this draft. Let alone the FS positional players. Take alook at his workout numbers. He is no stiff laterally. He is NOT another Scott Shields, who could just run straight line speed. But WAS very stiff, which is why he failed. But Sands seems to have that fluid movement in his Hips. And as a two-time All American, and being matched up against plenty of great WR's, he basically blanketed them all.


So this " Stiff " argument seems to be incorrect.

Chidi29
04-13-2011, 04:14 PM
Normally I would agree but all the reports on him say he can shuffle and twist and turn with WR's. And his shuttle times were better then any of the top 5 CB's in this draft. Let alone the FS positional players. Take alook at his workout numbers. He is no stiff laterally. He is NOT another Scott Shields, who could just run straight line speed. But WAS very stiff, which is why he failed. But Sands seems to have that fluid movement in his Hips. And as a two-time All American, and being matched up against plenty of great WR's, he basically blanketed them all.


So this " Stiff " argument seems to be incorrect.

The workout numbers for defensive backs in the shuttle drill are all in the same range no matter if you're a top prospect of a UDFA. It's tough to get a gauge on what is "good" or "bad" and who is fluid and who isn't. Surely at least one of the prospects aren't that fluid even if there numbers don't indicate it.

And anytime you're talking about a person of his size, the ability to transition is a question mark. Chris Cook had those question marks. Heck, there was a point where some were thinking that Patrick Peterson would have to move to safety because he was too big to play cornerback.

The reports I'm reading all say the same thing. That he is too stiff and isn't as fluid as you like.

http://www.sidelinescouting.com/rankings/s/robert-sands.shtml
Hips look a little stiff, has good footwork, but does not turn and run well enough to be reliable in man coverage on slot receivers

http://www.nfldraft101.com/draft/profiles/player/195018/Robert_Sands.jsp
A little stiff in the hips - average change of direction and agility
Lacks fluidity in man coverage

http://www.nfldraftgeek.com/robsands.html
Does not transition well out of his back pedal to turn and run with receivers
Doesn't have the most fluid hips

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And just glossing over the stats, what's up with the lack of production his senior year? One interception and zero passes broken up. Yuck.

steelersfanman92
04-13-2011, 05:01 PM
I also think he is stiff, he loses a step going from his back pedel to running with the reciever. I have only seen him play 3 or 4 times but watching him I have not been all that impressed, he has pretty good speed, but he has bad hands and is not a great tacklers. One upside to him though is that he seems to be around the ball more often than not, but personally I wouldn't spend anything lower than a 5th round pick on him.

LLT
04-13-2011, 05:43 PM
You heard that ? Really, from who ? Cause he ran a 4.52 forty, and that's faster then Aaron Williams, the Texas DB we are thinking about taking in round 1. Let alone round 3. And Sands has better agility times then alot of Safties in this draft. I've looked, and I can't find a one who says Sands may have to play LB in the Pros. At 217 Lbs, what LB is that light ?

Actually Sands ran a 4.53 at the combine and chose not to run at his pro day.

Aaron Williams ran a 4.44 at the Texas pro day.

LLT
04-13-2011, 05:46 PM
The workout numbers for defensive backs in the shuttle drill are all in the same range no matter if you're a top prospect of a UDFA. It's tough to get a gauge on what is "good" or "bad" and who is fluid and who isn't. Surely at least one of the prospects aren't that fluid even if there numbers don't indicate it.

And anytime you're talking about a person of his size, the ability to transition is a question mark. Chris Cook had those question marks. Heck, there was a point where some were thinking that Patrick Peterson would have to move to safety because he was too big to play cornerback.

The reports I'm reading all say the same thing. That he is too stiff and isn't as fluid as you like.

http://www.sidelinescouting.com/rankings/s/robert-sands.shtml
Hips look a little stiff, has good footwork, but does not turn and run well enough to be reliable in man coverage on slot receivers

http://www.nfldraft101.com/draft/profiles/player/195018/Robert_Sands.jsp
A little stiff in the hips - average change of direction and agility
Lacks fluidity in man coverage

http://www.nfldraftgeek.com/robsands.html
Does not transition well out of his back pedal to turn and run with receivers
Doesn't have the most fluid hips

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And just glossing over the stats, what's up with the lack of production his senior year? One interception and zero passes broken up. Yuck.

Looks like he also has a history of shoulder injuries which will raise eyebrows for some teams.

Looks like a 4th-5th round pick for a team that is willing to gamble.

steelerfan
04-13-2011, 06:01 PM
Okay. Thanks for all your thoughts on Sands guys :wave: Okay so how about some opinions on some more players ? I know LLT likes TCU Tackle Marcus Cannon. And he makes a good argument for him. But I was kinda also Intrigued by Louisville O-Linemen Byron Stingily.


Any thoughts on him possibly being a player we might take in say the 5th or 6th round ?
He seems like a good " Sleeper " Here are some thoughts on him below....



03/15/11 - The University of Louisville held its annual Pro Day for the outgoing senior class in front of the NFL scouts at the Howard Schnellenberger Football Complex on Thursday afternoon. Senior offensive tackle Byron Stingily might have had the best day. He weighed in at a solid 315 and ran a 4.86 in the 40-yard dash. He looked a lot bigger, putting up 225-pounds 28 times. A total of 15 players from the 2010 team worked out on Thursday, including Chris Campa, Jon Dempsey and Abdul Kuyateh from the 2009 team. - Louisville football
03/15/11 - Louisville Pro day: There were 20 teams in attendance Thursday, including eight running back coaches. OT Byron Stingly (6-5, 313) ran 4.98 and 4.98 in the 40, 4.48 in the short shuttle and 7.64 in three-cone. He posted a 27 1/2 vertical, 9-2 broad jump and 25 reps on the bench. - Gil Brandt, NFL.com
12/12/10 - 2010 ALL-BIG EAST CONFERENCE SECOND TEAM (COACHES): OL Byron Stingily, Louisville, Sr., has been selected All-BIG EAST Second Team for the 2010 college football season as selected by a vote of the league’s eight head football coaches. Stingily started all 12 games at offensive tackle and was one of the main reason's why the Cardinals offensive line improved quite a bit in 2010. Stingily started 11 games at tackle last season after transferring to Louisville from junior-college. - Louisville football







So what say all of you ? How about it LLT ?, Is this guy worthy of a 5th or 6th round pick ? And do you think he would fit on our team ?

LLT
04-13-2011, 06:18 PM
VERY interesting prospect....Good size and speed and has a sweet kick slide. I had looked at this prospect when doing my 7 round steeler draft and thought that he was an interesting developmental pick. He needs some work with using his long arms to better advantage. Needs to pop and lock-on while he has his defender on their heels with his initial punch instead of punching and then reaching for them. Some sites have him listed as a 7th round-UDFA...but I think he is worth a 6th round pick.

steelerfan
04-13-2011, 06:38 PM
Boy this guy is not shy about helping himself to some " Punch & Cookies " :pig: huh ?
Take a look at his pic in the link below. Still though, Imagine he and Starks AND Flozell ALL on the same O-Line, I mean could the defense even SEE Ben :nono:


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/draft-2011/players/47898.html



Dedicated to LLT, lets get his Man!!

steelerfan
04-13-2011, 07:50 PM
Hypothetical question fans. Considering Batch's age. And Dixon's status up in the air...IF you had to select a QB in this draft AFTER the first 2 rounds, what QB would you like the team to take a flier on ?..what round, and why ?



Thanks.

Chidi29
04-13-2011, 08:47 PM
Hypothetical question fans. Considering Batch's age. And Dixon's status up in the air...IF you had to select a QB in this draft AFTER the first 2 rounds, what QB would you like the team to take a flier on ?..what round, and why ?



Thanks.

Easy. Nathan Enderle. He's the next Matt Ryan.

steelerfan
04-13-2011, 08:58 PM
Easy. Nathan Enderle. He's the next Matt Ryan.



I totally agree with you sir. I thought the same thing. I mean if we can get a guy like him, with his size and arm, with his playing experience in the 7th round, GOD, that would be a steal. Thanks for your thoughts sir.

Chidi29
04-13-2011, 09:00 PM
I totally agree with you sir. I thought the same thing. I mean if we can get a guy like him, with his size and arm, with his playing experience in the 7th round, GOD, that would be a steal. Thanks for your thoughts sir.

I'd almost hate for us to draft him in a sense. Because I know he won't get much playing time or have an opportunity to.

The Duke
04-13-2011, 10:19 PM
You heard that ? Really, from who ? Cause he ran a 4.52 forty, and that's faster then Aaron Williams, the Texas DB we are thinking about taking in round 1. Let alone round 3. And Sands has better agility times then alot of Safties in this draft. I've looked, and I can't find a one who says Sands may have to play LB in the Pros. At 217 Lbs, what LB is that light ?

from here http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/NFP-Sunday-Blitz-3902.html


West Virginia safety Robert Sands didn’t look athletic enough to play his position, and some teams are going to be forced to consider him at linebacker.

Like I said, don't know much about him and this is all I heard about him after the combine. I was waiting for an update on him after seeing him in a couple of WV games last year and been intrigued by his size. I thought he was a SS though

after some more researching, and the links posted in this thread, seems like he can play both safety LB and special teams, which sounds like a tomlin player. Plus being from west virginia you know they've already at least discussed him

steelerfan
04-14-2011, 10:39 AM
Interesting; 10 players likely to be overdrafted in the 2011 draft. Enjoy fans, and tell us what you think.


http://www.nfldraft101.com/draft/articles/582/10_Players_Likely_To_Be_Overdrafted_In_the_2011_NF L_Draft.jsp

steelerfan
04-14-2011, 11:56 AM
Very interesting. I heard that the steelers brought in Tennessee WR, Denarius Moore for a visit. He is a very good WR. I have seen him several times cause I am a SEC and Big-12 fan. He has had 87 catches for over 1500 Yds and 16 TD's the past two seasons at Tennessee. And this with what I can only call a very BELOW average QB throwing to him.


http://thenationalfootballreport.com/2011/04/12/2011-nfl-draft-profile-denarius-moore/


This guy has the numbers, and physical traits to be a low 1st or early 2nd round choice. But because of a foot injury, and what not, he is considered a 4th rounder. And if he can get drafted then, that would be a nice pick-up. I see alot of Hines Ward in him, only much faster, and a bigger play threat then Hines was when he came out of Georgia.



Any thoughts on him visiting the steelers ?

steelerfan
04-14-2011, 05:51 PM
Another RB to maybe consider, IF you fans like Home Run speed is junior, Tiawan Jones of
Eastern Washington. Here's what Mike Mayock wrote about what he expected him to run on his Pro Day in April.....



03/26/11 - NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock chatted with NFL.com users on Friday, as anticipation for the draft continues to build. One of the great things about a Mayock chat is that you usually discover a prospect that you likely have never heard of. And Mayock failed to disappoint. When asked about a potential “little man” in this year’s draft, Mayock sang the praises of Eastern Washington RB Taiwan Jones. The junior was unable to perform at the combine because of a foot injury, and scouts are clamoring to get a glimpse of the kid. As is Mayock. “He’s 194 pounds and I think he’s going to run 4.35 or better,” Mayock said. “He’s a home-run hitter who can impact the return game and I think that you try to get him another 10 touches per game as a change-of-pace back.” Jones is scheduled to work out April 14 at Los Medanos Junior College in Antioch, Calif., with 26 teams scheduled to attend. - NFL.com




Well Mayock was correct. Here are the resolts of Jones Pro Day today via kffl.com.







NFL | Taiwan Jones posts fast 40 time (http://www.kffl.com/hotw/gnews.php?id=706426-nfl-taiwan-jones-posts-fast-40-time)
Thu, 14 Apr 2011 12:12:43 -0700
Eastern Washington RB Taiwan Jones (http://www.kffl.com/player/24224/nfl/taiwan-jones) ran the 40-yard dash between 4.29 seconds and 4.35 seconds at his Pro Day Thursday, April 14, sources told FOXSports.com (http://www.kffl.com/link/189)'s Adam Caplan.


Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl#ixzz1JXaLsOxi



So steeler fans, any thoughts on him ?

steelerfan
04-14-2011, 06:18 PM
I read this story from the Texas Pro Day that was held a while back. I found the part about Sam Acho pretty interesting. I remember Tomlin saying last year during the draft after selecting two more OLB/Pass rushers,," You can NEVER have enough fast, 250 Lb guys who can hit "



Maybe Tomlin is gonna select Acho at some point in this draft.







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Though there wasn't much national hype surrounding Texas Pro Day, all 32 NFL teams were represented in Austin on Tuesday.
Most noticeable was the Pittsburgh Steelers brass consisting of head coach Mike Tomlin, General Manager Kevin Colbert and its entire defensive staff.
Detroit's head coach Jim Schwartz, Cincinnati's defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer, Cowboys director of scouting Tom Ciskowski and Jets defensive backs coach Dennis Thurman were also in attendance.
The main attraction of the day was the defensive backs, as Aaron Williams, Chykie Brown and Curtis Brown are projected to go in the first couple rounds. Texas has a history of success in sending defensive backs to the NFL, which was evident by the fact that Aaron Ross, Michael Griffin, Michael Huff and Tarrell Brown were all cheering their Longhorn brethren on from the sideline today.
Williams, who's gained 10 lbs. since the end of the college football season (he weighed in at 204 lbs.), had a great Pro Day as expected. The cornerback ran a 4.36 40, which was faster than the 4.5 he clocked in at the scouting combine.
"I definitely accomplished my goal today," Williams said. "I felt really strong coming in and I think I did solid. I caught the ball better, worked on my cuts, my backpedal...so it was a good workout."
One of the questions surrounding Williams is if he's meant to be a corner or safety in the NFL. Williams said that no team has asked him to play safety yet. But he wasn't outwardly opposed to it, saying "I'll play anywhere to get on the field."
Williams is so athletic that he can play all five defensive back spots (both corners, both safeties and nickel).
Along with Williams, Chykie Brown brought his hands today. Brown dropped three catches at the combine, so making catches in front of the coaches and scouts today was crucial.
"Scouts said I had a great workout and that I looked different in their eyes after today," said Brown, who posted a 4.35 40 and a 39-inch vertical jump. "My film spoke better than my combine workout and today I brought everything together."
In addition to his ball skills, Brown showed off his hip fluidity, explosiveness and movement on the field. He mentioned that many of the teams he's talked to are interested in moving him to nickel, which he doesn't mind at all. Brown also said he's had meetings with the Ravens and Patriots and has ones coming up with the Jets, Steelers, Browns, Texans and Packers.
Curtis Brown participated in ball drills today despite having the flu. Luckily for him he had a great combine workout so he didn't need to prove as much today.
"I've been in bed the past four days and haven't been able to eat right so the energy wasn't there," Brown said. "But I came out here to try and do drills just to show my effort."
Sam Acho did a few ball drills today as well and looked quick, tight and ran through every play. He didn't need to do much though, as he's already on a lot of teams radars after the combine.
There's been talk about Acho moving to linebacker, as he's not quite as big as most NFL defensive ends (he came in at 6-foot-1 ¾, 259 lbs. today).
"I'm willing to do whatever," he said in response to switching positions.
Acho also mentioned he's "gotten some pretty solid feedback" from multiple teams. He was chatting it up with Tomlin a lot during today's workout.
In addition to the aforementioned players, tight end Greg Smith, receivers John Chiles, James Kirkendoll and Vondrell McGee, defensive linemen Eddie Jones and Jared Norton and offensive linemen Kyle Hix and Michael Huey also worked out.
Kirkendoll raised a few eyebrows today, running 4.41, 4.42 and 4.47 40s, in addition to having an 11-foot broad jump.

steelerfan
04-15-2011, 12:04 AM
I know there's a thread about " Baline Sumner " But check this dude out. His name is
Leslie Michael Jasper. And talk about BIG SEXY! Dude is 6ft, 6, and 420 Lbs!




http://www.lesliemikejaspernfl.com/

LLT
04-15-2011, 08:28 AM
I have said before that I would not be surprised to see Tomlin shock everyone by grabbing a OLB in the first two rounds. The BPA at the end of the second round could very easily be OLB's Bruce Carter of North Carolina or Sam Acho of Texas.

Texasteel
04-15-2011, 09:11 AM
I have said before that I would not be surprised to see Tomlin shock everyone by grabbing a OLB in the first two rounds. The BPA at the end of the second round could very easily be OLB's Bruce Carter of North Carolina or Sam Acho of Texas.


If Carter is there you have to think about it. Everyone I've read or heard calls him a first rounds that will go in the second. Personally I don't think I would throw a fit about Acho either, that kid can play.

LLT
04-15-2011, 09:21 AM
Perhaps another strong reason to trade down...Start our draft with Cannon, Dowling and Carter?

By the way...Dowling is climbing the draft boards.

steelerfan
04-15-2011, 09:31 AM
LLT, I've noticed that besides the Dallas Cowboys, Aaron Williams has not visited one single NFL team so far...why is that ? I mean the teams pay for their visits right ? I wonder why he has not visited anyone. And Dallas doesn't really count cause it's a half hour drive from Texas University. I wonder, does this kid already have a commitment from a certain team in round 1 ?

Texasteel
04-15-2011, 10:23 AM
Perhaps another strong reason to trade down...Start our draft with Cannon, Dowling and Carter?

By the way...Dowling is climbing the draft boards.


Value is one thing I don't let someone else set for me, and in my mind if Dowling got a clean bill of health from the Pittsburghs doctors. He is a value pick at 31, but if we could trade down a little and still pick him up, then use what ever we got to move up in the 2nd and grab Carter, then pick up Brewer, Gilbert, or Barksdale. We could almost sleep walk through the rest of the draft.

TU is a good 3 hour drive, not that it make that much difference. Dallas will pick Dowling or Cannon with their 2nd pick.

LLT
04-15-2011, 10:37 AM
LLT, I've noticed that besides the Dallas Cowboys, Aaron Williams has not visited one single NFL team so far...why is that ? I mean the teams pay for their visits right ? I wonder why he has not visited anyone. And Dallas doesn't really count cause it's a half hour drive from Texas University. I wonder, does this kid already have a commitment from a certain team in round 1 ?

Virtually the whole world was at the Texas Pro day (or at least every NFL team) and Williams did individual workouts with several teams at that time, so I am not surprised that he hasnt been asked to go to individual workouts by teams who already have a pretty good idea of what they will get with him.

This time of year is very frustrating because no team wants to show their hand...and we will start seeing rumors and rabbit trails from so many teams.

Any team who might be interested in Dowling (especially those at the begining of the first round...wont show their hand at this point in fear that someone will leapfrog them

LLT
04-15-2011, 10:41 AM
Value is one thing I don't let someone else set for me, and in my mind if Dowling got a clean bill of health from the Pittsburghs doctors. He is a value pick at 31, but if we could trade down a little and still pick him up, then use what ever we got to move up in the 2nd and grab Carter, then pick up Brewer, Gilbert, or Barksdale. We could almost sleep walk through the rest of the draft.

TU is a good 3 hour drive, not that it make that much difference. Dallas will pick Dowling or Cannon with their 2nd pick.


I think your right about Dowlings value...and totally agree that I would be very happy with a 1/2 of Dowling/Carter...if we can trade back about 4-5 slots..still get Dowling and an extra draft pick...well...thats just frosting.

steelerfan
04-15-2011, 01:14 PM
One draft experts opinion on Dowling to the steelers,,,A MISTAKE!





Ras-I Dowling is High on Some Steelers Fans' Radars, but he's Not Good Fit For Division
With all my notes involving players that could be potentially good fits for the Steelers, which there seem to be a high number of this year, I figured I would mix it up and note a couple players who may not be a good fit for Pittsburgh. One of these is Ras-I Dowling.
A cornerback out of Virginia, Dowling does have a lot of things that make him look like a smart investment on the surface. He's aggressive, and he can be a ballhawk as well, adding a few extra picks to the cornerback group.
However, despite all this, Dowling is injury-riddled. Yes, the injuries are from his senior year, and when watching tape of his junior year you can see how good he can be. However, he couldn't get a 40 time down at his Pro Day even after spending most of the season recovering from his injuries.
If he has these concerns already, then how is he going to fare in the AFC North, where there are receivers and tough tight ends who will punish a cornerback who isn't at their top level?
Perhaps most importantly, the Steelers have had injury problems already this past year, particularly with Troy Polamalu. They can't afford to bring in someone who may only play 8-10 games in a season or miss the playoffs.
I could be making too much of Dowling's injury situation, but I do believe Pittsburgh would be making a mistake selecting him.
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Just thought I would share. He does have some good points though.

steelerfan
04-15-2011, 11:43 PM
Is Emmanuel Sanders former teammate, Aldrick Robinson a possibility for us in round 7 ?
The kid has great speed from the slot. And he's alot tougher then his frame might indicate.



http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1273600





http://draftace.com/blog/2011/04/10/aldrick-robinson-scouting-report/



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtz1kdGq4Yc&NR=1&feature=fvwp



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxcxYwm3r34&feature=related

steelerfan
04-15-2011, 11:53 PM
And here is a Interview with Aldrick Robinson, please, check it out. I mean how bad can he be as a late round pick ? I mean look who is FAVORITE NFL team is :cheer2: :tt02:



http://bleacherreport.com/articles/662725-nfl-draft-2011-interview-with-former-smu-standout-receiver-aldrick-robinson

Texasteel
04-15-2011, 11:56 PM
Sounded like his total reasoning that Dowling is a bad fit for the Steelers was the injuries in his senor year. Where as this must be seriously taken into consideration, I think there is a danger of over playing this point as well.

The injury's occurred in his senor year and did not happen year after year as it did with James Brewer. I think one thing that could have contributed to this is Dowling trying to get back on the field sooner than he should have. After all this was his last year to impressed the NFL and he had to feel pressured to play as soon, maybe sooner, than possible.

During the combine Dowling ripped of a very good 40 time, but this time was smart enough to stop there when he felt that something was not quite right instead of re-injuring himself. After all he did still have this Pro Day.

I'm not sure what the writer meant by " he couldn't get a 40 time down at his Pro Day". During his Pro Day he show a lot of his old self. He mantained his combine 40 time with a 4.36 and a 4.43, and looked good in the CB drills. His cone times were 6.85, and ran the shuttle in 4.26, and claimed that he still was not 100%

I still think a lot of Dowlings draft status will depend on what the teams doctor says. If they say he is sound, I think he will be a later 1st, early 2nd round pick. If they still have questions about him he will drop some, but not too far.

I guess in Dowlings case beauty is in deed in the eye of the beholder.

Texasteel
04-16-2011, 12:06 AM
And here is a Interview with Aldrick Robinson, please, check it out. I mean how bad can he be as a late round pick ? I mean look who is FAVORITE NFL team is :cheer2: :tt02:



From what I have heard the Steelers noticed Aldrick last year when they were scouting Sanders. They may know him better than any other team. The kids a gamer bud.

LLT
04-16-2011, 08:51 AM
One draft experts opinion on Dowling to the steelers,,,A MISTAKE!





Ras-I Dowling is High on Some Steelers Fans' Radars, but he's Not Good Fit For Division
With all my notes involving players that could be potentially good fits for the Steelers, which there seem to be a high number of this year, I figured I would mix it up and note a couple players who may not be a good fit for Pittsburgh. One of these is Ras-I Dowling.
A cornerback out of Virginia, Dowling does have a lot of things that make him look like a smart investment on the surface. He's aggressive, and he can be a ballhawk as well, adding a few extra picks to the cornerback group.
However, despite all this, Dowling is injury-riddled. Yes, the injuries are from his senior year, and when watching tape of his junior year you can see how good he can be. However, he couldn't get a 40 time down at his Pro Day even after spending most of the season recovering from his injuries.
If he has these concerns already, then how is he going to fare in the AFC North, where there are receivers and tough tight ends who will punish a cornerback who isn't at their top level?
Perhaps most importantly, the Steelers have had injury problems already this past year, particularly with Troy Polamalu. They can't afford to bring in someone who may only play 8-10 games in a season or miss the playoffs.
I could be making too much of Dowling's injury situation, but I do believe Pittsburgh would be making a mistake selecting him.
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Just thought I would share. He does have some good points though.


In regards to the writers opinion.....He never questions Dowlings ability or his fit into our defense...and instead focuses on his senior injuries.

He is also misleading in his assesment that Dowling can't run the 40. He didnt run at his pro day but had ran a 4.40 at the combine...on April 4th he ran in front of scouts and posted times between 4.37-4.42.


Previous to his senior year, Dowling had played in 35 of a possible 37 games for the Cavaliers. ..........The 6-1 (3/8"), 198 pound corner did work out on Monday, however, posting times ranging from 4.37-4.42, according to an NFL scout on the scene. Dowling also registered a 38" vertical jump and a 10'8" broad jump
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1272251

LLT
04-16-2011, 09:13 AM
Is Emmanuel Sanders former teammate, Aldrick Robinson a possibility for us in round 7 ?
The kid has great speed from the slot. And he's alot tougher then his frame might indicate.


I like Robinson alot...but think he will be gone by the the time we pick in the 7th round. One WR that we have thrown around among ourselve is small school sleeper Andre Holmes of Hillsdale. He is 6-4 210 lbs, and ran a 4.45 forty at his workout. He had 104 catches, 1,368 yards and 11 touchdowns last year in D-2.

Texasteel
04-16-2011, 09:25 AM
I like Robinson alot...but think he will be gone by the the time we pick in the 7th round. One WR that we have thrown around among ourselve is small school sleeper Andre Holmes of Hillsdale. He is 6-4 210 lbs, and ran a 4.45 forty at his workout. He had 104 catches, 1,368 yards and 11 touchdowns last year in D-2.


And it does seem that we have been paying more attention to the bigger receivers than the faster receivers.

steelerfan
04-16-2011, 12:11 PM
Wow! As it goes to Kenrick Ellis, I knew about his team rules violations back in 2008 at South Carolina, But after reading this scouting report, I am even surprised that the Steelers even brought him in for a visit. And I may have to remove him as a possible pick for us now.






Kenrick Ellis Scouting Report
http://sidelinescouting.com/images/mock/2011/kenrickellis.jpgKenrick Ellis

[/URL]Kenrick Ellis - Hampton (HT: 6-4⅞ - WT: 346)
Combine 40: 5.28 - Position Rank: 8 of 55


http://sidelinescouting.com/images/logos/fcs/hampton.gif

Positives: Good size... Nice burst off the ball... Good length and long arms... Gets in the backfield... Very good strength... Good power... Can penetrate... Pushes the pocket... Solid bull rusher... Can get off blocks and make plays reasonably well... Good rip move... Bats down a lot of passes... Good closing speed... Plays the run well... Good anchor... Space eater... Occupies and splits double teams... Solid lateral mobility... Can scrape down the line of scrimmage to make plays... Takes good angles... Does a nice job chasing the action... Keeps his head up... Gives a good on-field effort... Good motor... Mean streak... Looked much more fit in 2010... Carries his weight well... Dominated at the FCS level... Good upside... 3-4 NT candidate.

Negatives: Plays too upright and loses leverage at times... Inconsistent... Can sometimes be blocked by single blocker... Questionable workout habits and attitude... Conditioning issues... Loses stamina as the game moves on... Will turn 24 during his rookie season... Dismissed from South Carolina for multiple school rules violations, including academic issues and marijuana use... Arrested for assault and suspended for 2010 season opener... He could be taken off some boards due to character concerns!
[url]http://www.sidelinescouting.com/rankings/dt/kenrick-ellis.shtml (http://sidelinescouting.com/rankings/dt/editor-content.html?cs=utf-8)



Pot use ?, and an assualt this past season ?.....Ah sorry guys, I now have to remove this kid as a pick for us.

LLT
04-16-2011, 12:34 PM
Wow! As it goes to Kenrick Ellis, I knew about his team rules violations back in 2008 at South Carolina, But after reading this scouting report, I am even surprised that the Steelers even brought him in for a visit. And I may have to remove him as a possible pick for us now.






Kenrick Ellis Scouting Report
http://sidelinescouting.com/images/mock/2011/kenrickellis.jpgKenrick Ellis

[/URL]Kenrick Ellis - Hampton (HT: 6-4⅞ - WT: 346)
Combine 40: 5.28 - Position Rank: 8 of 55


http://sidelinescouting.com/images/logos/fcs/hampton.gif

Positives: Good size... Nice burst off the ball... Good length and long arms... Gets in the backfield... Very good strength... Good power... Can penetrate... Pushes the pocket... Solid bull rusher... Can get off blocks and make plays reasonably well... Good rip move... Bats down a lot of passes... Good closing speed... Plays the run well... Good anchor... Space eater... Occupies and splits double teams... Solid lateral mobility... Can scrape down the line of scrimmage to make plays... Takes good angles... Does a nice job chasing the action... Keeps his head up... Gives a good on-field effort... Good motor... Mean streak... Looked much more fit in 2010... Carries his weight well... Dominated at the FCS level... Good upside... 3-4 NT candidate.

Negatives: Plays too upright and loses leverage at times... Inconsistent... Can sometimes be blocked by single blocker... Questionable workout habits and attitude... Conditioning issues... Loses stamina as the game moves on... Will turn 24 during his rookie season... Dismissed from South Carolina for multiple school rules violations, including academic issues and marijuana use... Arrested for assault and suspended for 2010 season opener... He could be taken off some boards due to character concerns!
[url]http://www.sidelinescouting.com/rankings/dt/kenrick-ellis.shtml (http://sidelinescouting.com/rankings/dt/editor-content.html?cs=utf-8)



Pot use ?, and an assualt this past season ?.....Ah sorry guys, I now have to remove this kid as a pick for us.

steelerfan...

Please add the site address when posting another sites information....its polite..(and it can get us in trouble if you dont)

I added it to your last post.

steelerfan
04-16-2011, 12:41 PM
Thanks LLT, I will do that.

LLT
04-16-2011, 12:51 PM
Thanks LLT, I will do that.

Thanks buddy!!!

steelerfan
04-19-2011, 10:03 AM
I found this story a few minutes ago. I always find these articles kinda fun approaching the draft. This was a story from NFLDraftscout.com...a source alot of you have great respect for. Well this is their Top-32 players for the 2011 NFL Draft. But it was written last May of 2010. As stated I always find it interesting to see what players who were considered top, 1st round talent about 10 months earlier, who may not even be top-100 now. Enjoy.



http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2010-05-05-2011-nfl-draft-prospects_N.htm

LLT
04-19-2011, 11:08 AM
I found this story a few minutes ago. I always find these articles kinda fun approaching the draft. This was a story from NFLDraftscout.com...a source alot of you have great respect for. Well this is their Top-32 players for the 2011 NFL Draft. But it was written last May of 2010. As stated I always find it interesting to see what players who were considered top, 1st round talent about 10 months earlier, who may not even be top-100 now. Enjoy.



http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2010-05-05-2011-nfl-draft-prospects_N.htm

Kinda cool to see how things have changed....here is the updated NFLDraftScout draft prospect list.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings

steelerfan
04-19-2011, 11:13 AM
Got this off kffl





NFL | Rahim Moore to attend draft (http://www.kffl.com/hotw/gnews.php?id=707402-nfl-rahim-moore-to-attend-draft)
Tue, 19 Apr 2011 06:20:49 -0700
UCLA FS Rahim Moore (http://www.kffl.com/player/23960/nfl) will be attending the NFL Draft (http://www.kffl.com/link/159) in New York City, reports Bo Marchionte, of NFL Draft (http://www.kffl.com/link/159) Bible.
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Hey LLT, Usually players who attend the draft are players usually slated for round 1. Could it be that Moore has a " Wink-wink " from a team to select the UCLA Safety in round 1 ? Or am I just putting too much into this ? Cause Moore by all accounts is considered a mid-to late 2nd rounder at best. Of course it wouldn't be out of line to think he could be drafted in round 1 LLT. I mean it seems that in EVERY NFL Draft there is always someone who all the experts had tabbed as a 2nd or later round talent who gets a surprise call in round 1. Take for example last year, when the Jags at pick 10 selected the Cal DE Tyson Alualu in round 1. And I remember I DIDN'T have this guy in round one, or did anyone else from what I could find. So LLT, is it possible Rahim Moore has gotten a guarantee of a 1st round selection from a team ? Or am I just blowing wind ?


Thanks.

steelerfan
04-19-2011, 11:57 AM
A couple of more visits from Guards.




view and discuss it now... (http://www.kffl.com/a.php/126766/165/nfl-draft/2011-NFL-Mock-Draft--KFFL.com?source=nfl-hotw-text-ad)

Steelers | Keith Williams visits (http://www.kffl.com/hotw/gnews.php?id=707436-steelers-keith-williams-visits)
Tue, 19 Apr 2011 09:49:07 -0700
The Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl) met with Nebraska OG Keith Williams (http://www.kffl.com/player/24709/nfl) Tuesday, April 19, reports CBSSports.com (http://www.kffl.com/link/273).
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Steelers | Marcus Cannon visits (http://www.kffl.com/hotw/gnews.php?id=707435-steelers-marcus-cannon-visits)
Tue, 19 Apr 2011 09:47:29 -0700
The Pittsburgh Steelers (http://www.kffl.com/team/30/nfl) met with Texas Christian OG Marcus Cannon (http://www.kffl.com/player/24307/nfl) Tuesday, April 19, reports CBSSports.com (http://www.kffl.com/link/273).
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Chidi29
04-19-2011, 03:10 PM
And here is a Interview with Aldrick Robinson, please, check it out. I mean how bad can he be as a late round pick ? I mean look who is FAVORITE NFL team is :cheer2: :tt02:



http://bleacherreport.com/articles/662725-nfl-draft-2011-interview-with-former-smu-standout-receiver-aldrick-robinson

I'm cool with a late round pick but he's a much bigger work in progress than Sanders was. Sanders was a more well-rounded receiver in terms of the route tree and even he didn't run all of those routes.

When I watched Robinson in the bowl game, his job was to take the top off the defense. Pretty much ran streaks and posts. Playing the "X" receiver means he doesn't run as much of a variety of routes.

steelerfan
04-19-2011, 05:07 PM
This is interesting. If true, I would have to question us selecting Phil Taylor at 31 if he makes it past KC and the Jets.





Quote:
Phil Taylor's name has generated a lot of buzz this pre-draft season, with some speculating that he could be a first-round pick. The Baylor product is suited to playing nose tackle in a 3-4 alignment, and this is a unique and valued capability given the prevalence of the formation around the league.

But according to Rob Rang of CBSSports.com, there is a serious medical issue that is causing some teams to re-consider their interest in Taylor; namely, that he has bones growing together in his feet, a condition that cannot be corrected with surgery. As it turns out, Taylor's momentous size is both a blessing -- he needs to be that big to play NT -- and a curse, because it only makes the condition more difficult.

"If he was a 190-pound player, it might be different. Or, if he was an older player and you were only signing him for a few years, it might be different," a source told Rang. "But, it is pretty hard to invest a first round pick in a player who you know coming in is being red-flagged by the doctors. This isn't just our team, by the way. Every team gets the MRIs. Every other team is seeing this too."

In light of the misinformation that is rampant at this point in the pre-draft season, Rang checked in with other sources on Taylor, and all echoed the concern. Now we wait until draft weekend to see if they were all just bluffing.