2011 Pittsburgh Pirates Season Thread.

[steelpride12]

When are the injured players scheduled to return? This is getting exciting.
Ugh probably not till after the All Star Break. I hope most of the starters are healthy at that point at least!

[BPS3akaWirels3]

Most all injured willn't return to end of July like Pedro and Jose. Ronnie will be back after ALL-Star game.. I would expect to see Chris until Sept if he really can come back. Pedro was optioned to AAA this week. Who knows about Ryan anymore. I really could careless if Pearce comes back..

[X-Terminator]

Bucs win 9-1 today to take the series and finish 47-43 going into the break. Cutch with a HR and 5 RBI today, making a statement that he should have been in the ASG from the beginning. Maholm pitched another gem - 1 ER, 0 BB and 8 K in 7.2 innings, and lowered his ERA to 2.96. Imagine what his record would be if he got more run support.

Anyway, here's hoping the break doesn't cause them to lose focus and go into the tank, especially with a tough schedule coming up to end the month. Also, they are apparently looking for some help in a trade and are willing to trade some prospects, a complete reversal of what they usually do at the deadline. Seems like they are at least serious about trying to make a run at the division, being just a game out of first place. We'll see, though.

[HometownGal]

Cutch with a HR and 5 RBI today, making a statement that he should have been in the ASG from the beginning.

Damned straight Cutch should be in the ASG. Pisses me off that he wasn't selected. :mad2:

Great showing by the Bucs today! :applaudit:

[X-Terminator]

Damned straight Cutch should be in the ASG. Pisses me off that he wasn't selected. :mad2:

Great showing by the Bucs today! :applaudit:

He finally did make it in, but only because Ryan Braun of the Brewers is injured and can't play. It's still bullshit if you ask me. BTW, Kevin Correia is also going to the ASG to replace Cole Hamels, who pitched for the Phillies today and won't be available.

[HometownGal]

He finally did make it in, but only because Ryan Braun of the Brewers is injured and can't play. It's still bullshit if you ask me. BTW, Kevin Correia is also going to the ASG to replace Cole Hamels, who pitched for the Phillies today and won't be available.

Awesome and both much deserved! :applaudit:

[steelerdude15]

Another good win today by the Bucs to get two out of three. What does suck however, is that the Brewers and Cards won as well.

[KeiselPower99]

Awesome to watch the Buccos play this year. I knew when Hurdle was hired he was the right man for the job.

[steelerdude15]

Fun fact for the day: The 1979 Pittsburgh Pirates were the last team to win Game 7 of the World Series on the road. They were also the last road team to win Game 7 of the championship round, in any major league sport, until the Pittsburgh Penguins defeated the Detroit Red Wings 2-1 at Joe Louis Arena to win the 2009 Stanley Cup Finals.

[oneforthetoe]

Fun fact for the day: The 1979 Pittsburgh Pirates were the last team to win Game 7 of the World Series on the road. They were also the last road team to win Game 7 of the championship round, in any major league sport, until the Pittsburgh Penguins defeated the Detroit Red Wings 2-1 at Joe Louis Arena to win the 2009 Stanley Cup Finals.

Interesting facts. I am happy the Bucs ended the first half of the season so well. It allows for fans to savior the season so far. You just never know what the future may or may not hold.

Congrats to the Pirates' All Stars.

[steelpride12]

Great to see Correia, Hanrahan and now Cutch all getting into the All-Star Game Ill be watching and rooting for them all the way! Bucs slammed the Cubbies today and yes 4 games over .500 going into the halfway point of the game, WOW it is finally great to see a winning club in Pittsburgh.

Bucs need to just stay the course, get healthy, and prepare for the second half if they want any chance at the division. It looks like the division or no playoffs with the tough wildcard situation in MLB, but I won't get greedy!

[stillers4me]

Although not a great baseball fan myself, I'm thrilled to see my "hometown" excited about baseball again. Granddad is smiling in heaven today.

And I'm sooooooooo sick of hearing about the Reds. :dizzy:

[oneforthetoe]

Just watched enough of the All-Star Game to see the Pirates' appearances. Hanrahan might have been able to close the game sif not for the Castro error. Of course, one had a feeling that maybe Wilson was coming in one way or another.

Good to see the National League win again. Any advantage almost any National League team has over the SOX or Yanks is fine by me. If it is the Rangers in the AL, then maybe a different story depending on who goes from the NL.

[steelpride12]

It was a good year and All Star Game. Of course Wilson closed the game, I think Hanrahan is having a better season than him, but tough to get the love and recognition when you play for Pittsburgh!

Oh well Im just ready for the 15th so we can get the 2nd half of our season underway!

[steelpride12]

Bucs off to a hot start after the break up 3-0 now to the Astros with a Karstens gem in the work. Through 5 inning Karstens has throw 41 pitches compared to Houstons 101 pitches!

[steelpride12]

Karstens 74 pitches through 7 full inning, 4-0 Bucs. I think Olendorf won't be getting his starting job back.

[oneforthetoe]

Do my eyes deceive me or do I see a complete game? I didn't think that was legal anymore.

[steelpride12]

Raise the Jolly Rodger! :jolly: Karstens with a CG and 0 ER WOW!

Chase D'Arnough with 2 amazing catches and throws for out this kid is showing some impressive moves out there and the depth on this team is all of a sudden magical!

The Red beats the Cards and if the Rockies win against the Brewers the Bucs will be tied for 1st in the division.

Still a dream season!

GO BUCS!

[polamalubeast]

unbelievable

Pittsburgh 48 43 .527 -
Milwaukee 49 44 .527-
St. Louis 49 44 .527 -
Cincinnati 46 47 .495 3.0
Chi Cubs 38 56 .404 11.5
Houston 30 63 .323 19.0



http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/standings/index.jsp?tcid=mm_mlb_standings

Rockies lead 4-0 vs brewers right now

[steelpride12]

Yes unbelievable and all, but look at the fine print here people. INJURIES! This team is plagued by them right now, but can you notice? Me neither. Cedeno now plans to rehab and play a few minor league games so he is expect out longer than expected, but the depth it deep and is only getting better for the Bucs!

[Nadroj 20]

How many catchers have they used? They might call me next to catch for them :chuckle:

[polamalubeast]

Pirates have a 30-20 record since May 17....This is the 6th best record in MLB since May 17

[salamander]

Pittsburgh teams seem to do quite well fighting through injuries.

[steelpride12]

Pittsburgh teams seem to do quite well fighting through injuries.
Ya every team is so darn used to it....sadly.

[steelpride12]

Bucs lost last night, but get the win in 11 innings today 7-5 and glady will keep taking 2-3 games and since the Cards lost the Buccos once again take over 1st place in the division woo!

Hanrahan did blow a save if you can call it that in the 8th inning for the first time this season, can't be worried one bit.

[steelerdude15]

Bucs lost last night, but get the win in 11 innings today 7-5 and glady will keep taking 2-3 games and since the Cards lost the Buccos once again take over 1st place in the division woo!

Hanrahan did blow a save if you can call it that in the 8th inning for the first time this season, can't be worried one bit.

We're in second, only half a game behind the Brewers...

[steelpride12]

We're in second, only half a game behind the Brewers...
Thanks for the update I added that before the Brewers played yesterday.

[CantStop85]

Sorry to crush your dreams, Pirates fans, but the D-Train is rolling into Pittsburgh tonight. :heh:

[steelpride12]

Sorry to crush your dreams, Pirates fans, but the D-Train is rolling into Pittsburgh tonight. :heh:
Well take the series glady from the Reds...again :)

[steelerdude15]

It looks like the game is going to be delayed for some time. The Radar shows the city getting hit by the hardest part of the storm now and plenty of rain still to come.

[steelpride12]

Darn right in a good moment. Bases loaded 2 outs!

[steelpride12]

Bucs make it 1-0, but paying the price. D'Naud seems to have jammed his shoulder or neck and McCutchen also tweaked his leg area damn!

[steelpride12]

2-0 Bucs after a sac fly, Morton hold the fort now!

[polamalubeast]

Arizona leads 3-0 against the Brewers right now.

If the pirates and the D-Backs keep their lead, the Pirates will be alone in first place!

[steelerdude15]

I've never heard of a "catchers interference." Anyways, good game tonight so far. Morton didn't pitch well in the first couple of innings, but he really picked it up and Watson has been pitching well too. Nice defense by the infield and Andrew so far. I hope Chase is alright and can come back next game.

[steelerdude15]

And with that we are number one in the N.L. Central! Let's go Bucs!

[polamalubeast]

Pirates is the first place!!!!!!!!

Unbelievable

[Edman]

Raise Dat Jolly Rodger.

Bucs take over sole first place. Oh, and it's the 50th win of the season. The Bucs won 57 all of last year.

[steelpride12]

Raise that Jolly Rodger again in Pittsburgh, man it feels good saying that often!

First place is ours right now and already 50 wins on the season so hard to believe with all the injuries and diversity It's unbelievable!

[steeldevil]

This is SO crazy! Good for the Pirates! I certainly hope they come in 2nd in the division... LOL

[oneforthetoe]

Crazy indeed .... really tough for me to decide what I want the Pirates to do at the trade deadline. I'd like like a bat in the outfield, but I don't want them to go crazy and start trading away prospects. Somehow the powers that be have to balance the future and the present (which no one thought was going to be like this). I'm sure many fans will disagree with me, but I wouldn't be that upset if we stood pat.

[steelerdude15]

I personally wish the Pirates would buy a pitcher. Even with the few good pitchers we have, I still think that area can be upgraded. The bullpen needs it still.

[X-Terminator]

Your Bucs are finally getting some national recognition - they will be on BSPN's Monday Night Baseball next Monday night against the Braves.

[steelpride12]

Your Bucs are finally getting some national recognition - they will be on BSPN's Monday Night Baseball next Monday night against the Braves.
OMG Awesome! Ive been waiting to see them on a national game for many many many years!!

[Nadroj 20]

Against my Braves :D awesome!!


I'm actually going to pittsburgh this evening for the game tonight. Should be fun to see fans in the seats haha

[steelerdude15]

Your Bucs are finally getting some national recognition - they will be on BSPN's Monday Night Baseball next Monday night against the Braves.

:jawdrop2: Shut the front door. This is great, I hope they put on a show for the rest of the nation and Andrew can get the recognition he deserves!

[steelpride12]

:jawdrop2: Shut the front door. This is great, I hope they put on a show for the rest of the nation and Andrew can get the recognition he deserves!
Hope we win and show some impressive skills to the nation!

[steelerdude15]

It seems that ESPN loves the Pirates now. They've been on Sports Center a few times in the past hour. I just hope that this doesn't get to the players heads.

[steelerdude15]

I love the alt black jerseys they wear. They should keep them as an alt for good. Fly out to start the game, good way to start.

[steelpride12]

Mcdonald pitching today has a couple K's in the first inning and Bucs get an early 1-0 lead, GO BUCS!

[steelpride12]

It seems that ESPN loves the Pirates now. They've been on Sports Center a few times in the past hour. I just hope that this doesn't get to the players heads.
It's hard no to. This used to be one of the best organizations and it has been way way wayy too long since they could get any recognition!

[polamalubeast]

How do you feel right now, playing a game being in first place?!

[steelerdude15]

How do you feel right now, playing a game being in first place?!

It feels good, but it could be gone at any second so the Pirates have to be on their toes. McDonald is pitching well tonight so far. Let's get some more runs on the board!

[steelpride12]

How do you feel right now, playing a game being in first place?!
AMAZING! Only been waiting ehhh 20 years hahaha :lol:

[Count Steeler]

1-0 win. Way to go Buccos!

[Edman]

Bucs shut out the Reds for the second night in a row. 1-0 Win tonight.

[X-Terminator]

If this team could score some more runs, they'd be all set. Hopefully the rumors about Beltran or Pence come to pass - they desperately need another big bat in the middle of the lineup. At any rate, someone needs to pinch me, because I must be dreaming. No matter what happens from here on in, it's been an unforgettable season.

[Hindes204]

If this team could score some more runs, they'd be all set. Hopefully the rumors about Beltran or Pence come to pass - they desperately need another big bat in the middle of the lineup. At any rate, someone needs to pinch me, because I must be dreaming. No matter what happens from here on in, it's been an unforgettable season.


So much this....what an exciting year this has been.

On another note, Im heading back to the Burgh, my hometown, for the first time since my wedding in 07, going to check out the St Louis game on the 15th........friend has season tickets right behind 3rd base, should be a great time

[polamalubeast]

Do you think the miracle will happen(pirates in the playoffs)?

If the pirates make the playoffs, it will be the biggest surprise of baseball history and perhaps even in the history of professional sports....I think he never had a team that made ​​the playoffs after having a season of more than 100 losses...And we know that pirates have always had a losing record since 1993.

His is an incredible story if the pirates would the playoff. One thing is sure, the pirates shock the world right now!

[Hindes204]

Do you think the miracle will happen(pirates in the playoffs)?

If the pirates make the playoffs, it will be the biggest surprise of baseball history and perhaps even in the history of professional sports....I think he never had a team that made ​​the playoffs after having a season of more than 100 losses...And we know that pirates have always had a losing record since 1993.

His is an incredible story if the pirates would the playoff. One thing is sure, the pirates shock the world right now!

I wouldnt start talking playoffs just yet, Im not quite sure we are there yet. Yes, Hurdle has made a huge difference, and yes, we seem to be playing well right now. But if we dont get help on the offensive side, we are doomed. If we do happen to limp into the playoffs, I dont see us going far. However, I would be ecstatic if we finish with a winning record, even if we dont reach the playoffs

[JayC]

every time i think the winning/national coverage is going to get to their heads i remember the manager is clint hurdle and he will not let it get to their heads. if they make it through the reds (2-0 of course so far), st louis, atlanta, and philly at .500 i think they'll be in the race down to the last weekend for the division without a doubt. that is about the toughest stretch you can possibly have in a season.

also i would not trade any of our top 3-4 or so prospects in the minors for any carlos beltran or anything i've been hearing about. if you can trade some overbay, diaz, jones, doumit or something for something better (i doubt it), then go for it but the next 5 years is more important than the next 3 months for a rental for sure. if alvarez comes back and plays like last year then thats better than any trade they could make

[X-Terminator]

every time i think the winning/national coverage is going to get to their heads i remember the manager is clint hurdle and he will not let it get to their heads. if they make it through the reds (2-0 of course so far), st louis, atlanta, and philly at .500 i think they'll be in the race down to the last weekend for the division without a doubt. that is about the toughest stretch you can possibly have in a season.

also i would not trade any of our top 3-4 or so prospects in the minors for any carlos beltran or anything i've been hearing about. if you can trade some overbay, diaz, jones, doumit or something for something better (i doubt it), then go for it but the next 5 years is more important than the next 3 months for a rental for sure. if alvarez comes back and plays like last year then thats better than any trade they could make

I would do it for Hunter Pence. He's still young (28), in his prime and signed through 2013. I would NOT do it for Carlos Beltran, who they would not be able to afford as a UFA. You will not get much for any of the guys you mentioned...maybe a decent relief pitcher, but that's about it. Alvarez, BTW, went 4-4 last night and is batting .360 since starting his rehab stint in Indy. That is a VERY good sign. The good thing is that they don't have to rush him back, or any of the other injured guys, because the team is still winning without them.

[steelerdude15]

Frank Coonelly: Pirates will look to add
The division-leading Pittsburgh Pirates will consider adding players before and after the trade deadline, team president Frank Coonelly told ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney.

The surprising Pirates, who lead the NL Central by a half-game over Milwaukee and 1½ games over St. Louis entering Wednesday's games, also are enjoying improved results at the box office, as fans put off by nearly two decades of futility are returning in droves.

Coonelly said that success at the gate will help the Pirates pursue reinforcements as they chase their first winning season, division title and playoff berth since 1992.

Read More: http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/6786450/frank-coonelly-says-pittsburgh-pirates-consider-adding-players

[Chidi29]

I would do it for Hunter Pence. He's still young (28), in his prime and signed through 2013. I would NOT do it for Carlos Beltran, who they would not be able to afford as a UFA. You will not get much for any of the guys you mentioned...maybe a decent relief pitcher, but that's about it. Alvarez, BTW, went 4-4 last night and is batting .360 since starting his rehab stint in Indy. That is a VERY good sign. The good thing is that they don't have to rush him back, or any of the other injured guys, because the team is still winning without them.

I like the idea of adding Willingham. A relatively cheap source of power. Too bad he's striking out at a much higher rate this year than the past.

[steelerdude15]

I hate losing, especially to someone in our same division. Other than that one single and catch, Chase was horrible today. I hope Clint benches him for a game. We need another big bat, our pitching is doing alright. We need more offense and we need to stop leaving people stranded on base.

[X-Terminator]

I hate losing, especially to someone in our same division. Other than that one single and catch, Chase was horrible today. I hope Clint benches him for a game. We need another big bat, our pitching is doing alright. We need more offense and we need to stop leaving people stranded on base.

I think it's pretty safe to say that Chase isn't ready for the big time yet. He hasn't fielded well and has looked overmatched at times at the plate. I do like his aggressiveness and the talent is clearly there. Hopefully Cedeno is ready to go soon.

[steelerdude15]

I think it's pretty safe to say that Chase isn't ready for the big time yet. He hasn't fielded well and has looked overmatched at times at the plate. I do like his aggressiveness and the talent is clearly there. Hopefully Cedeno is ready to go soon.

I've been thinking the same thing that he isn't ready yet. Alex on the other hand has been quite impressive and I hope he continues to play well. I want Cedeno back as well.

[steelpride12]

I think it's pretty safe to say that Chase isn't ready for the big time yet. He hasn't fielded well and has looked overmatched at times at the plate. I do like his aggressiveness and the talent is clearly there. Hopefully Cedeno is ready to go soon.
Agreed. Chase has made a few strong and impressive plays on defense, but his bat is not there, just not ready yet.

Also I love the idea of Pence coming to the Bucs and think he is the exact puzzle piece we need to get this offense going and match it with our starting pitching. Young and powerful.

[KeiselPower99]

Did anyone see the poll ESPN had the other day. It was which would be more suprising for Pittsburgh sports. A.Pirates making the playoffs or B. Steelers missing the playoffs. Pirates won by a landslide.

[steelerdude15]

Did anyone see the poll ESPN had the other day. It was which would be more suprising for Pittsburgh sports. A.Pirates making the playoffs or B. Steelers missing the playoffs. Pirates won by a landslide.

They had a lot of polls about the Pirates. ESPN loves them now. There was a poll asking if people wanted them to win and over seventy percent said yes so I feel people want them to win. It's always a nice story to see franchises that were once great become great again. It would be nice to see it happen to the Royals and O's as well.

[steeldevil]

My Cardinals start a series against the Pirates tonight in Pittsburgh. Wish I could be there!

[steelerdude15]

I'm hoping for two out of three. This is going to be a tough series.

[steeldevil]

I'm hoping for two out of three. This is going to be a tough series.

Very possible. Cardinals have not been doing too well since the break.

[steeldevil]

The Machine is starting to work out his kinks... Watch out.

[Hindes204]

Just got home from work and checked the score...Maholm had a hell of a first inning, gonna be tough to climb out of this hole.

[Hindes204]

looks like this could be a great inning

[Hindes204]

Hate stranding 2 with Carpenter struggling, but Ill take the 2 runs....close game now

[steeldevil]

So glad Carpenter got out of that. Close game now...

[Hindes204]

Molina is killing us today

[steeldevil]

Molina is killing us today

So is Carpenter.

No RBIs for him though.

[Edman]

Round one goes to the Cardinals. 6-4.

Maholm's first inning did the Pirates in.

[Hindes204]

Round one goes to the Cardinals. 6-4.

Maholm's first inning did the Pirates in.

Yea, too big of a hole dug in the first.

[steeldevil]

Cards win 6-4!

If Brewers lose tonight there is a 3 way tie for 1st.

[steelerdude15]

I was hoping for a come back, but it didn't happen. There's always tomorrow!

[steelpride12]

Bucs down 2-1 in the 4th def. nothing to hard to come back from. Correia pitching well so far, should be great till the end, GO BUCS!

[steelpride12]

3 run homer for Berkman and it's 6-1 Cards, dang!

[steelpride12]

And Molina hits a HR in the 5th as well, 7-1 Welp this is getting ugly.

[X-Terminator]

3 straight losses for the Bucs, and they fall a game and a half back. So far, NOT so good in the toughest stretch of their schedule this season. Hopefully they can salvage a win tomorrow.

[steelpride12]

Bucs need to win these games, I know it's one tough stretch, but it's their proving grounds and if they fail like this through the next couple of the series the division could already be long gone, come on boys!

[Edman]

Cards are really smacking the Bucs in this series effortlessly. Despite what their record says this year, the Cards have been a talented contender for years with upper echelon players and big names. They have a ton of power.

So far the Bucs aren't doing so hot handling the top tier competition. If they want to take the next step, they have to start beating the Cards and Brewers, because they've been the biggest thorns in the sides of the Pirates for a while.

[X-Terminator]

Bucs need to win these games, I know it's one tough stretch, but it's their proving grounds and if they fail like this through the next couple of the series the division could already be long gone, come on boys!

I'm not expecting them to win the division. I mean, I HOPE they do, but it isn't the end of the world if they don't. No matter what happens, it's been a great season, and Pirates fans can finally - and legitimately - say that better times are ahead. They've already taken a pretty big step being where they are now.

[Chidi29]

Remember that rough patches happen to every team. It's all about weathering them and so far, Hurdle has done a great job doing so.

Don't panic too much.

[steelpride12]

The Bucs got away with minor offense against the Reds because of the excellent pitching, but the Cards have brought the power bats and when they score more than 3 runs it seems the Bucs feel they can't come back because of the lack of run recently. Have to get the offense going soon, we will need it.

[steelpride12]

I'm not expecting them to win the division. I mean, I HOPE they do, but it isn't the end of the world if they don't. No matter what happens, it's been a great season, and Pirates fans can finally - and legitimately - say that better times are ahead. They've already taken a pretty big step being where they are now.
Oh I don't care to be honest if we make the playoffs, yes it would be of epic proportions and I would break down because it's been so long since I saw a winning team, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

It is VERY annoying the amount of bandwagon fans though. Maybe after this series some will disappear for awhile.

[steeldevil]

Was out partying so wasn't able to keep up with game 2 of ths series but dang glad to see the Cards won again!!1!

[cakmakli]

It is VERY annoying the amount of bandwagon fans though. Maybe after this series some will disappear for awhile.

I agree but it has been refreshing not having to hear stupid remarks and explaining why I love the Pirates everytime I wear my Pirates stuff.

[steelpride12]

I agree but it has been refreshing not having to hear stupid remarks and explaining why I love the Pirates everytime I wear my Pirates stuff.
Agreed, I don't worry anyway because Ive been a fan since I was 6 win or lose so the bandwagons can come out and whatever, but the next time we go through a bad stretch they will be gone!

[Hindes204]

Agreed, I don't worry anyway because Ive been a fan since I was 6 win or lose so the bandwagons can come out and whatever, but the next time we go through a bad stretch they will be gone!

just 6?? In Pittsburgh you are born into it, there is no start date to when you became a fan, you just are...Of course, around 6 is also when I can remember actually caring about what was going on, lol

Im heading into town and going to the Cards game on the 15th...while the bandwagoners piss me off, it sure will be nice to see a large crowd at PNC park for once

[steelpride12]

just 6?? In Pittsburgh you are born into it, there is no start date to when you became a fan, you just are...Of course, around 6 is also when I can remember actually caring about what was going on, lol

Im heading into town and going to the Cards game on the 15th...while the bandwagoners piss me off, it sure will be nice to see a large crowd at PNC park for once

That's what I mean. My grandfather surely had me watching them when I was born, but I didn't know much or care till around 6 of course!

[Chidi29]

Walkoff sac fly to beat the Cards! That'll sure turn morale around after the losing streak.

[X-Terminator]

Well, I'm glad they salvaged one game of the series. Now it's on to Atlanta and Philly, and hopefully they don't get killed.

[Chidi29]

Unsung hero is Eric Fryer. Two hits, including a bunt that led to a run and he threw out two runners, including picking off Larid that ultimately saved a run and the game.

[oneforthetoe]

Big win. With such a young team confidence is such a big issue. Didn't want to get swept going onto to play the Braves. A split with Atlanta would be a big victory.

[Hindes204]

RTJR!!!!!!!!

Just like that, back on top in a 3 way tie for first

[steelpride12]

Braves and Monday Night baseball tomorrow Im so excited to see them on prime time, hope they impress the world!

[Hindes204]

Braves and Monday Night baseball tomorrow Im so excited to see them on prime time, hope they impress the world!

Im excited too...I finally get to see a game, Im tired of watching the play by play on the computer. The feds shut down all of the sites that I used to watch the games on!!

[vader29]

Braves and Monday Night baseball tomorrow Im so excited to see them on prime time, hope they impress the world!

I know that Monday nights game is on Root Sports as well as ESPN, so will the Pittsburgh area have the game blacked out on ESPN?

[SteelCityMan786]

I know that Monday nights game is on Root Sports as well as ESPN, so will the Pittsburgh area have the game blacked out on ESPN?

As far as I am aware, ALL Pittsburgh Area Root Sports customers are going to be blacked out on ESPN. You will see the game there. (I believe Stan Savran said that the other day). I am thinking I am gonna be watching ROOT because I do live near the Pittsburgh market and my cable company gets Root as well.

[venom]

Are the fans showing up to the games ?

[X-Terminator]

Are the fans showing up to the games ?

Yes, they are. They drew fairly large crowds for weeknights on Monday and Tuesday (22,000+ and 26,000+, respectively), sold out 2 of the 3 games over the weekend and drew over 30,000 yesterday. It's good to see. I've only been to one game myself so far this year, but I'm planning on going to another one before the season ends. Hopefully they'll still be in the division title race in August and September so that game will be meaningful. I still can't stand Baghdad Bob Nutting, though, and still hate giving him a cent.

[steelerdude15]

Tonight.... prime time. I hope the Pirates play amazing tonight. McDonald is starting tonight. I'm pumped.

[Nadroj 20]

I justed wanted to stop in and say GOOO BRAVES!!!! :chuckle:

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Used to not have to worry too much about the Pirates but that has changed now. We have to keep our position in the Wild Card because of those dang Phillies. I hate them so much

[Nadroj 20]

Are the fans showing up to the games ?

I went to a game last tuesday and for a week night game it had a very nice crowd. 26,000+

Biggest crowd I have ever been to.

[X-Terminator]

Tim Hudson vs. James McDonald tonight. Advantage Braves.

[Chidi29]

Going t be facing an elite group of pitchers this whole series.

[Nadroj 20]

Tim Hudson vs. James McDonald tonight. Advantage Braves.

I hope so. However if McDonald pitches the way he did last tuesday night against the Reds, it'll be close. He played well that day.

[X-Terminator]

Going t be facing an elite group of pitchers this whole series.

Their best chance for a win might be Thursday against Derek Lowe. Other than that, I'm not expecting them to do anything against Hudson, Hanson and Jurrjens. Then they get Halladay on Friday, Hamels on Saturday and Lee on Sunday in Philly. Gonna be a long, long week.

[Chidi29]

For those outside the Pittsburgh area, is the game on espn for you? espn news is on for me in the Pittsburgh area.

[Hindes204]

Ugh, they just showed the slowest man in baseball Sid Bream slide into home plate in game 7....I remember it vividly, I was 12, I think I may even have cried

[Godfather]

Ugh, they just showed the slowest man in baseball Sid Bream slide into home plate in game 7....I remember it vividly, I was 12, I think I may even have cried

Screw Bonds* for that throw. Most people on this board could have made a better throw than that.

[Nadroj 20]

For those outside the Pittsburgh area, is the game on espn for you? espn news is on for me in the Pittsburgh area.

I figured it would be blacked out in that area.

I'm in south carolina and its blacked out here as well

[BPS3akaWirels3]

Thank you RootSports in Central PA..

[Chidi29]

Pirates take game one. Excellent job by the pitching staff. Offense will be hard to come by throughout this series.

[Edman]

Pirates beat the Braves 3-1 in Game 1. McDonald pitches a solid game.

[Chidi29]

some great defensive plays, too. McKenry's catch, Walker's at the top of the ninth.

[X-Terminator]

Somewhere in Heaven, my Mom is smiling down on the Bucs right now, because she absolutely HATED the Braves!

Good job by McDonald and the pitching staff. It doesn't get any easier from here.

[oneforthetoe]

Fun game to watch. I flipped back a few times to see how the USA Ladies Softball Team was doing, but caught most of the Pirates Game. We can win pitchers duels. Actually, because of that fact, we might match-up better against Atlanta and Philthy than we do against ST. Louis. Atlanta and Philthy are towards the middle of the NL in batting, while last time I checked ST. Louis was on top.

Edited to add: I just checked and, yes, St. Louis is on top of the NL in batting average. All the good teams in the NL this year are pitching teams save for St. Louis and Arizona. Heck, San Fran is below the Pirates in batting average.

[Edman]

Somewhere in Heaven, my Mom is smiling down on the Bucs right now, because she absolutely HATED the Braves!

Good job by McDonald and the pitching staff. It doesn't get any easier from here.

I believe every Longtime Pirate fan hates the Braves. They were repsponsible for the worst moments in Pittsburgh sports history and sent the Pirates into this losing mess to begin with. They enjoyed loads of success while the Bucs mired in losing. Alongside the Patriots, Capitals, Flyers, and Ravens, the Braves belong on that public enemy list in Pittsburgh Sports.

[steeldevil]

Wanted to watch this game. Turned it on ESPN once I saw it had finally started. It wasn't on. I started watching something else. At about midnight I realized it wasn't on because I'm in the Braves viewing area and the game was blacked out on ESPN and was on Fox South....

Epic Fail on my part....

[SteelCityMan786]

As far as I am aware, ALL Pittsburgh Area Root Sports customers are going to be blacked out on ESPN. You will see the game there. (I believe Stan Savran said that the other day). I am thinking I am gonna be watching ROOT because I do live near the Pittsburgh market and my cable company gets Root as well.

I guess what I thought was right. hahaha.

Anyway, great start. Get one more and the rest for this series pretty much is a nice bonus. 3 out of 4 is nice, but a split is the minimum desired.

[Nadroj 20]

I figured Mcdonald would throw well against us. He is coming along nicely, what a weapon he could be throughout the rest of the year for you guys.

Braves need a bat like no other, there hitting is sad recently. I mean they will have their games but they are so inconsistent to be talked about as a big time contender.

There pitching is the reason they have the potential to do well. Hanson tonight (going against Karstens so no easy game there) and Jurrjens tomorrow need to get it done, then we will gift wrap you guys the game with Lowe on the mound Thursday night.

I'd honestly be happy with a 2-2 split

[JayC]

overbay is so terrible or i'm his bad luck charm. i never seen him do anything with the bat except get out

[Edman]

14 innings so far.

[oneforthetoe]

16 and counting.

[Chidi29]

Onward we go.

[steelerdude15]

This will never end.

[oneforthetoe]

This will never end.

IDK .... for some reason this base hit makes me nervous.

[oneforthetoe]

double post

[oneforthetoe]

It must be the Fransisco Cabbrerra(sp) fear in me.

[oneforthetoe]

No sweat. Maybe the curse is dead?

[Hindes204]

And off to the 18th.
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Sounds like golf, lol.
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I feel bad for you guys on the east coast, at least it's only 10pm here.

[steeldawg]

we need one hit here

[Edman]

18 innings. Christ.

[Chidi29]

We've had so many chances in extras.

[JayC]

and into the 19th. this is the longest game i personally ever watched

[Hindes204]

I'm can't even watch it, I've been following play by play on the damn computer. I need some sleep

[oneforthetoe]

We got a very tired pitcher right now.

[oneforthetoe]

Wow .... total screw job.

[steelerdude15]

WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT!?!?!?

[Chidi29]

The worst call I've ever seen. And I've seen Joe Nedney flop.

[JayC]

i wasted 5+ hours for that. WTF??

[steelerdude15]

Total bullshit, such a horrible call.

[steelerdude15]

I honestly think I'd be so mad that I would punch that ump in the face.

[Chidi29]

I honestly think I'd be so mad that I would punch that ump in the face.

I'm kinda surprised Hurdle didn't.

[steelerdude15]

I'm the type of person who never blames the ref for things, but that was an absolute horrible call. I can't believe he was safe even though he didn't make it to the plate.

[Chidi29]

I don't even know what the logic was. It was a no-brainer call and the ump was right there to see it. Had the best look in the house.

[steelerdude15]

Worse call in baseball I've ever seen.

[Randy06]

I am honestly in shock like what the fucking fuck.

[Chidi29]

I didn't even see the safe call. I went to grab my phone to text my buddy who was watching the game too, happy to see we got the out. Then I hear "safe". Thought was an episode of Punk'd.

[Randy06]

I gotta give credit to Hurdle for containing himself I would have knocked the guy on his ass.

[Chidi29]

Friend just made a great point, too. If Lugo is called out, Proctor gets doubled off at first. He fell just after leaving the box.

[Edman]

Just chill folks. Still two more to go.

[Chidi29]

Just chill folks. Still two more to go.

There's no excuse for a call to be so blatanly missed.

If we would've lost in legitmate fashion, fine. Disappointing but someone has to do it. But to lose like that in such a zany game. Disheartening, to say the least.

[cakmakli]

I watched 16 innings and then went to bed. Good thing because if I had seen this BS I wouldn't have been able to go to sleep.


http://youtu.be/HZRGe9Rjzek

[SteelMember]

If he just holds the glove, the runner tags himself out. The ump must have though the sweep tag never touched him.

[Nadroj 20]

Time for the Braves fan to chime in.

Couldn't agree more, it was a bad call. However the Braves had so many chances, with 21 LOB and it was just a sad game for them all the way around. They had so many chances...bases loaded in the 12th is one that really jumps out at me.

They played so bad they didn't deserve to win, now McCann is on the DL and if Frank Wren doesn't go out and find a RH BAT i'll be so furious with the managements satisfaction of this team...

[steeldawg]

That was a im tired and i wanna go home call. :thumbdown:

[X-Terminator]

I just saw it...what an absolutely BRUTAL call that was. There's no question that McKenry tagged Lugo out, and how the hell the ump missed that is beyond me. The Braves were given a gift.

[BPS3akaWirels3]

Someone has been getting a lot of late night phone calls at home... Jerry Meals

http://twitpic.com/5wj2kk#.TjATBuXea4M.twitter

[BPS3akaWirels3]

Just chill folks. Still two more to go.

Yeah because this blown call is no big deal... We should just excuse these kind of mistakes right?

[steeldevil]

They just showed a replay on Sportscenter from the other angle, and I must say, it looks like the catcher missed the tag...

Of course, the ump didn't see it from that side. From the angle the ump did see it from I can't believe he didn't call it an out. But from the other angle it looks like he actually did make the RIGHT call, even if it wasn't a STANDARD call...

[steelpride12]

Mistakes are mistakes, but Im fuckin' sorry that was just garbage and he knew it! HORRIBLE call and he blew the game because of it! Was he tired and ready to go home or what, bullshit. Your welcome for the gift Braves! http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/2619/22301717659427574101317.jpg

[steelerdude15]

Someone has been getting a lot of late night phone calls at home... Jerry Meals

http://twitpic.com/5wj2kk#.TjATBuXea4M.twitter

The girl is from Ohio.....

[SteelMember]

Yeah because this blown call is no big deal... We should just excuse these kind of mistakes right?

It is a long season... and technically, 19 innings... they could have lost 2 games. :chuckle: :noidea:

[cakmakli]

Someone has been getting a lot of late night phone calls at home... Jerry Meals

http://twitpic.com/5wj2kk#.TjATBuXea4M.twitter

Yeah well he should try and actually play for 19 innings. Plus it's his friggin job and what he get's paid to do, so using the excuse that we have no idea what it is like to stand out there for 19 innings is a piss poor excuse. How about spending some time in 100+ degree weather for hours on end wearing Kevlar and Body Armor

So I think she should be the one to STFU

[BPS3akaWirels3]

Checkout Jerry Meals BIO on Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Meals lololol

[BPS3akaWirels3]

Yeah well he should try and actually play for 19 innings. Plus it's his friggin job and what he get's paid to do, so using the excuse that we have no idea what it is like to stand out there for 19 innings is a piss poor excuse. How about spending some time in 100+ degree weather for hours on end wearing Kevlar and Body Armor

So I think she should be the one to STFU

She is a child... Wouldn't understand but to support her dad and his stupid mistakes..

[steelerdude15]

Of course most Brave fans are saying he was safe.

[oneforthetoe]

They just showed a replay on Sportscenter from the other angle, and I must say, it looks like the catcher missed the tag...

Of course, the ump didn't see it from that side. From the angle the ump did see it from I can't believe he didn't call it an out. But from the other angle it looks like he actually did make the RIGHT call, even if it wasn't a STANDARD call...


http://i.imgur.com/JiMyv.jpg

Looks out to me.

[steeldevil]

They just showed it again on SC and it really looks to me like he missed the tag...

I still think it should have been called out though...

[steelerdude15]

http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg737/scaled.php?tn=0&server=737&filename=ss0ca.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640

[cakmakli]

She is a child... Wouldn't understand but to support her dad and his stupid mistakes..

I wouldn't call her a child. She's legal

[SteelMember]

So he should have held the tag and there'd be no question.

[polamalubeast]

Mistakes are mistakes, but Im fuckin' sorry that was just garbage and he knew it! HORRIBLE call and he blew the game because of it! Was he tired and ready to go home or what, bullshit. Your welcome for the gift Braves! http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/2619/22301717659427574101317.jpg

Jerry Meals should be fired.

[X-Terminator]

Of course most Brave fans are saying he was safe.

Of course they are. One of the reasons why I hate them so much.

[cakmakli]

So he should have held the tag and there'd be no question.

I didn't know you had to hold the tag for a certain length of time. I thought you just had to tag them.

[Nadroj 20]

Mistakes are mistakes, but Im fuckin' sorry that was just garbage and he knew it! HORRIBLE call and he blew the game because of it! Was he tired and ready to go home or what, bullshit. Your welcome for the gift Braves! http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/2619/22301717659427574101317.jpg

You didn't give us the gift. You can hate the call all you want but don't blame the Braves, they had no part in the blown call. Did they benefit? of course but it wasn't their fault.

Lets blame the guy who deserves it.

[Nadroj 20]

The thing that gets me is that Meals screwed the braves the whole game, threw out Fredi and Nate and was screwing our pitchers out of strikes the majority of the night...then he does that!

So I guess it was more he just sucks all away around not that he was being worse for Atlanta. Guy missed the call for sure.

[Nadroj 20]

I didn't know you had to hold the tag for a certain length of time. I thought you just had to tag them.
You don't. As long as contact is made its an out.

[oneforthetoe]

Even without the video evidence there is a surefire way to know the tag was applied -look at Julio Lugo actions and non-actions. He clearly felt the tag because he starts walking away until he sees the safe call and then, and not before then, does he come back and step on home plate. Obviously, he thought he missed the bag. Knowing that, it reasons that if Lugo had not felt the tag, he would have immediately stepped on the bag after crossing home plate instead of waiting for the call..

[steelpride12]

You didn't give us the gift. You can hate the call all you want but don't blame the Braves, they had no part in the blown call. Did they benefit? of course but it wasn't their fault.

Lets blame the guy who deserves it.

Was it still a gift to them? Yes it was. In no way and I blaming the braves, please highlight where I did for me. It is all the umps faults 100%.

[Nadroj 20]

Was it still a gift to them? Yes it was. In no way and I blaming the braves, please highlight where I did for me. It is all the umps faults 100%.

Please highlight where I said it wasn't a gift.

It appeared to me you were being very bitter toward the braves when there was no reason to. My apologies.

[cakmakli]

So he should have held the tag and there'd be no question.


I didn't know you had to hold the tag for a certain length of time. I thought you just had to tag them.


You don't. As long as contact is made its an out.

Sarcasm: remarks that mean the opposite of what they seem to say and are intended to mock or deride

[steelpride12]

Instant replay needs to be in affect for next season for plays like this!

[Nadroj 20]

Sarcasm: remarks that mean the opposite of what they seem to say and are intended to mock or deride

There was no signs of sarcasm. This is a football site, not a baseball. It wouldn't surprise me at all for someone to not be very knowledgable about baseball.


Excuse me for not being able to hear the sarcasm through your keyboard.

[X-Terminator]

You know, the more I watch cakmakli's signature, the more pissed I get. How in the HELL do you blow that call when you're standing right there??? If Bud Selig had an ounce of integrity...which he doesn't...Meals would at the very least be suspended today. Totally inexcusable.

We just have to hope this doesn't send the Bucs into a tailspin they can't recover from...

[steeldevil]

I would hope none of our Pirate fan members are blaming the Braves for a questionable call that the UMP made....

That would be the near the equivalent of being a Seahawks fan.....

Just sayin'

[cakmakli]

There was no signs of sarcasm. This is a football site, not a baseball. It wouldn't surprise me at all for someone to not be very knowledgable about baseball.


Excuse me for not being able to hear the sarcasm through your keyboard.

You're right. Point taken.

Sorry, but I'm really ticked right now. I've been a Pirates fan since I moved here in 99. I've went to a lot of games and supported them through a lot of bad years. Now we are making a decent run where every game is so important and for one to get stolen like this just pisses me off.

[vader29]

Looked like Lugo stepped over home plate and then jumped back quickly to tag it once he realized the Ump called him safe.

[Nadroj 20]

You're right. Point taken.

I also did not see you signature so if i was being more observant I may have known you were joking around. So no hard feelings.

[Chidi29]

And then in an opportunity to be accountable for his mistakes like Jim Joyce, Meals says he "might" have been safe. "Might" of?

At least man up and say you blew the call.

[Chidi29]

So he should have held the tag and there'd be no question.

I'm assuming McKenry brought his glove up so Lugo's body wouldn't jar the ball out of the glove when he finished his slide.

[cakmakli]

I also did not see you signature so if i was being more observant I may have known you were joking around. So no hard feelings.

:drink:

[salamander]

Pirates file formal complaint over Meals' call
By Jenifer Langosch / MLB.com | 07/27/11 12:53 PM ET

ATLANTA -- Less than an hour after the Pirates were left baffled by a game-ending call made by home-plate umpire Jerry Meals, the club filed a formal complaint with Major League Baseball's Commissioner's Office.
MLB does not have the authority to overturn judgment calls made by its umpires, but this was one way the Pirates ensured their voice would be heard. That complaint was filed around 2:30 a.m. ET.

more: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110727&content_id=22368562&vkey=news_pit&c_id=pit&partnerId=rss_pit

[X-Terminator]

That's really all they can do to make sure they let them know what they think. But if this doesn't really get the ball rolling for expanding instant replay in MLB, what else has to happen? Oh I know...the Yankees or Red Sox losing game 7 of the WS on a similar call. I mean, it's just the lowly Pirates...nobody cares about them! :coffee:

[steelerdude15]

I didn't know you had to hold the tag for a certain length of time. I thought you just had to tag them.

No you don't have to hold it, you can just tag them. You see it all the time in baseball.

[steelerdude15]

That's really all they can do to make sure they let them know what they think. But if this doesn't really get the ball rolling for expanding instant replay in MLB, what else has to happen? Oh I know...the Yankees or Red Sox losing game 7 of the WS on a similar call. I mean, it's just the lowly Pirates...nobody cares about them! :coffee:

Apparently we're America's team according to ESPN now. :rolleyes:

[SteelMember]

No you don't have to hold it, you can just tag them. You see it all the time in baseball.

I think you guys are misunderstanding what I meant.

If he just hold the glove out and let's the runner slide into it (without unnecessarily sweeping it, and holding it up in the umpire's face) there's no question.

Guys put their glove in front of the bag "all the time" and let base stealers "tag themselves out".

He obviously was avoiding any contact.

Anyway... Should be interesting tonight.

[X-Terminator]

I think you guys are misunderstanding what I meant.

If he just hold the glove out and let's the runner slide into it (without unnecessarily sweeping it, and holding it up in the umpire's face) there's no question.

Guys put their glove in front of the bag "all the time" and let base stealers "tag themselves out".

He obviously was avoiding any contact.

Anyway... Should be interesting tonight.

The problem with that is it's easier to knock the ball out of the catcher's mitt than a regular glove. If he holds his glove out there, there's a good chance Lugo knocks it out. And if he uses both hands, he probably couldn't recover in time to throw out Proctor, though it wouldn't have mattered since he fell down and McKenry would have had time to throw him out. You can't assume that, however. McKenry did what he felt he had to do, and it's the ump's fault he didn't get the call.

[SteelCityMan786]

Apparently we're America's team according to ESPN now. :rolleyes:

America loves the underdog.

[oneforthetoe]

In the dollar short and a day late category I present MLB:


Major League Baseball acknowledged Wednesday that umpire Jerry Meals missed a controversial call that ended the Pirates-Braves game in the 19th inning Tuesday night at Turner Field in Atlanta......

In the what a surprise category:


Torre also preemptively shot down calls for more automated officiating in baseball:....

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/6808357/mlb-acknowledges-jerry-meals-missed-call-pittsburgh-pirates-file-complaint-19-inning-loss

[cakmakli]

Apparently we're America's team according to ESPN now. :rolleyes:

They can shove that America's Team crap.

[steelpride12]

Im already annoyed with the Pirates love going around like a virus. I liked when we were quietly creeping up in the standing.

[steelpride12]

Pirates put Chase d'Arnaud on DL


http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/6809683/pittsburgh-pirates-place-chase-darnaud-dl-broken-finger

[Galax Steeler]

I have seen alot of bad calls in my life but that one was just horrible. Seems like the ump was just wanting to get the game over so he could go smoke a pole. Steelpride and Cakmakli I back you a hundred percent in this one. Hopefully the Braves will fall into a 20 game loosing streak along with that ump getting fired.

[cakmakli]

Smoke a Pole? Have you been dipping the sugar water?

Galax you crack me up

[steelerdude15]

So I just saw on ESPNEWS that the family of the ump are having people show up at their house and people are calling them and threatening them. That takes it to a whole new level, a horrible level. I, like the rest of you, was angry at the call, but you can't show up to the guys house and threaten his family. That's horrible.

[cakmakli]

So I just saw on ESPNEWS that the family of the ump are having people show up at their house and people are calling them and threatening them. That takes it to a whole new level, a horrible level. I, like the rest of you, was angry at the call, but you can't show up to the guys house and threaten his family. That's horrible.

I thought about this: LINK (http://movieclips.com/eP6D5-all-the-right-moves-movie-vandalizing-coachs-house/)

[cakmakli]

Here we go again. Looks like it's going to be another long night

[Nadroj 20]

Ross!


I'm glad we actually earned this win :chuckle:

[Chidi29]

Ugh.

[Edman]

Another extra inning game. Another loss.

I hope that bad call the other night doesn't send the Bucs into a tailspin.

[Nadroj 20]

Look on the bright side guys...Derek Lowe pitches tomorrow

[X-Terminator]

Bucs have lost 5 of their last 6 games. Looks like the lack of offense and all of the injuries are finally starting to catch up to them.

Oh well, let's see where they end up, because they aren't going to win the division. They may as well stand pat at the deadline rather than give up some of the future for a slight chance at a winning record/division title. Hate to sound like I'm giving up on them, but I just can't see them going anywhere even with the very good starting pitching. You need to score runs to beat good teams.

[Edman]

Bucs have lost 5 of their last 6 games. Looks like the lack of offense and all of the injuries are finally starting to catch up to them.

Oh well, let's see where they end up, because they aren't going to win the division. They may as well stand pat at the deadline rather than give up some of the future for a slight chance at a winning record/division title. Hate to sound like I'm giving up on them, but I just can't see them going anywhere even with the very good starting pitching. You need to score runs to beat good teams.

At this point. We can just hope they have a winning season.

The Bucs have been getting by on fabulous pitching. But the top tier teams can also hit. The Bucs have gotten by mediocre offense for a while. That'll fly against the Scubs and the Astros, but as we've seen against the Cards, teams that can hit. The Bucs don't have the stuff to keep up with their power.

[SteelCityMan786]

Bucs have lost 5 of their last 6 games. Looks like the lack of offense and all of the injuries are finally starting to catch up to them.

Oh well, let's see where they end up, because they aren't going to win the division. They may as well stand pat at the deadline rather than give up some of the future for a slight chance at a winning record/division title. Hate to sound like I'm giving up on them, but I just can't see them going anywhere even with the very good starting pitching. You need to score runs to beat good teams.

You forget either Sunday's or Monday's win? haha.

Either way, gotta rebound from this. This week is not playing out properly. Have to win tomorrow.

[X-Terminator]

You forget either Sunday's or Monday's win? haha.

Either way, gotta rebound from this. This week is not playing out properly. Have to win tomorrow.

My bad, I did forget about the win on Sunday, which makes it 5 of 7. Still not a good record and it isn't going to get much better, unfortunately. Even if they add a bat to the lineup, is this person going to make up the lost offense on the DL and the struggles of Alvarez and McCutchen all by himself? I doubt it.

[Edman]

Bucs beat the Braves 5-2 to salvage a split in a difficult series. 1.5 Back of the Brewers in the Central. Yeah, now the Brewers are back in the lead.

Still sucks to lose those Extra Inning games, though. Oh well, on to Philly.

[BPS3akaWirels3]

Whelp!! Wish me luck for Sundays game in Philly. A buddy of mine and myself will be at the game sitting in section 147. Look for the lime green sign with Root Sports on it.. lol

[oneforthetoe]

Can't really complain about a split with the Braves. Now onto Philthy and their meager pitching staff.:lol:

[cakmakli]

Starting this one out kinda rough.

Hey Buc, have fun in Philly.

[Edman]

Bucs smashed 10-3 in Game one. Should've known going up against Roy Halladay was going to be difficult, but geez.

[86WARD]

Phillies are mad after getting beaten by the Giants...Hunter Pence!!!

[X-Terminator]

You know, I really don't mind the Phillies. That's a damn good team, and adding Pence likely puts them over the top. I think they should start planning the championship parade right now. As for the Pirates, well, like I've said before, they aren't ready to play with the big boys yet. Yes, they split with the Braves, but this series is going to be downright UGLY.

[oneforthetoe]

Like I said meager pitching Staff. :lol:

I'd actually be happy squeezing one win out of this series.

[oneforthetoe]

I like Hunter Pence. He would have been my choice if the Pirates were going to pull the trigger. However, after seeing what Philthy gave up to get him, I am even more convinced that standing pat is not the worst idea out there.


The headline pieces were Phillies top pitching prospect, Jarred Cosart, and their top hitting prospect, Jonathan Singleton. The Phillies made those two the centerpieces of their original offer for Pence early this week.

The 21-year-old Cosart was 9-8 with a 3.92 ERA in 20 games, 19 starts, for Clearwater.

The 19-year-old Singleton was batting .282 with nine homers and 47 RBIs for Class A Clearwater. He was selected by the Phillies in the eighth round of the 2009 draft.

Rebuilding Houston also got 25-year-old righty Josh Zeid, who was 2-3 with two saves and a 5.65 ERA in 21 games, 11 starts, for Double-A Reading.

The fourth player will be named later......

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/6817280/philadelphia-phillies-complete-deal-astros-hunter-pence

Four prospects? Two of which are your number one hitting and pitching prospects? Obviously, I don't know how many other real prospects Philly has, but that is a steep price for a team to give up who already is the best team in baseball.

[X-Terminator]

After seeing what the Giants gave up for Beltran and now the Phillies for Pence, I'd be thrilled if the Pirates stood pat. A lot of fans will be pissed off, and management will be ridiculed once again, but it's the smartest thing they can do. No need to give up some of the prospects they've added to their farm system over the past 3 years in order to bring in a guy who may or may not help them get a winning record or win the division.

[Borski]

3 more wins we tie last years win total.

[steelpride12]

Rollings hits a HR and makes it 2-0 Phillies in the 3rd, sigh getting behind early with no offense sucks!

[BPS3akaWirels3]

Two words: Derek Lee

[Edman]

The rough stretch at the end of the month against known NL contenders. People said this will gauge where the Pirates stand.

1-2 against the Cardinals.
2-2 against the Braves.
0-2 so far against the Phillies.

3-6. Not good. The Pirates are getting there, but X-T said it best. Not ready for primetime against the powerhouses yet. The Bucs are going to have to be patient. Stay the course and they'll take the next step next season.

[BPS3akaWirels3]

The rough stretch at the end of the month against known NL contenders.

1-2 against the Cardinals.
2-2 against the Braves.
0-2 so far against the Phillies.

3-6. Not good. The Pirates are getting there, but X-T said it best. Not ready to contend with the league powerhouses yet.


Let's just focus on a winning season people.. One season at a time please...

[X-Terminator]

Let's just focus on a winning season people.. One season at a time please...

The way things are going, we may not even get that. But don't worry - Derrek Lee is here to save the season!

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110730&content_id=22532584&vkey=news_pit&c_id=pit (http://link.mlblists.com/r/J4HXTP/PNFNI6/ZXWLUL/VV0PP5/3CO4CF/HQ/h?a=4340340&b=214622910)

A lot of people aren't going to be happy with this move. But what did they expect? They obviously chose not to give up their best prospects for a rental, which is probably a wise decision. It also likely means the end of Lyle Overbay's tenure in Pittsburgh.

[Chidi29]

It also likely means the end of Lyle Overbay's tenure in Pittsburgh.

Oh no!!!!

:sarcasm:

[oneforthetoe]

I was in Lancaster PA this weekend among Philly fans. They were very complementary about the Pirates and we had a nice calm discussion. For some reason that made me uneasy. Then it occurred to me, that was an indication of just how far the Pirates have fallen lo these last 18 years. Having a old rival happy your team is having a bit of success is really not a good thing. I mean, if we were talking Flyers, we would have been jawing back and forth(still friendly).

Hopefully, the Pirates are on a path that someday Phillies' fans and Pirates' can properly "hate" on each other.' ...... oh what a beautiful world that would be.

[steelpride12]

I like the move to be honest and happy the Bucs picked up somebody at least instead of sitting back and watching their season unfold with all the injuries.

[steelpride12]

Fryer scores on a Jones double in the 7th for some insurance points making it 5-3 Buccos, just need to hold the fort, get Hanrahan out there and salvage a W in Philly.

[oneforthetoe]

Fryer scores on a Jones double in the 7th for some insurance points making it 5-3 Buccos, just need to hold the fort, get Hanrahan out there and salvage a W in Philly.

We might need a new insurance company. ;)

Obviously, you can't waste any opportunities when you have a chance against a team like the Phillies. Would have been nice to win at least one, but onward and upward. Really need to win the next two series. Hopefully, the new guys wiill add a little pop.

[Edman]

Swept. Disappointing, but at least the rough stretch is over.

Philly is one of the League's best teams and will likely contend for the Pennant again this year.

[steelpride12]

Bucs got swept for the first time in 11 series and they is a much improved stat from last season where it felt like every series and hey it was to the leagues hands down best team! Moving forward and with a new strong bat at first base, Derrick Lee!

GO BUCS!