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venom
02-26-2011, 08:07 PM
TMZ has gotten their hands on a " save the date " card for Big Ben's Wedding on July 23, 2011 .

http://www.tmz.com/2011/02/26/big-ben-roethlisberger-wedding-invitation-pittsburgh-steelers-quarterback-marriage-wife-ashley-harlan/

86WARD
02-26-2011, 08:27 PM
http://static03.mediaite.com/sportsgrid/uploads/2011/01/ashley_3-220x251.jpg

Congrats.

zulater
02-26-2011, 08:34 PM
I think the majority of people who post comments at TMZ are evil hearted, and probably have done some awful things in their life. I'd wager Ben's a better person than nearly every one of them.

oneforthetoe
02-26-2011, 09:13 PM
She reminds me a little of Elisabeth last name not to be spoken.

http://www.esquire.com/cm/esquire/images/elisabeth-hasselbeck-WI-0209-lg-56827965.jpg

steelpride12
02-26-2011, 09:23 PM
Am I invited?

X-Terminator
02-26-2011, 09:25 PM
I don't know, it still seems...sudden to me. From Milledgeville to marriage in less than a year? I can see how people would think this is a PR move given how fast it all happened.

Anyway, congrats and I hope it all works out for both of them!

zulater
02-26-2011, 09:30 PM
I don't know, it still seems...sudden to me. From Milledgeville to marriage in less than a year? I can see how people would think this is a PR move given how fast it all happened.

Anyway, congrats and I hope it all works out for both of them!

He could have been dating her casually before Milledgeville, or even somewhat seriously for all any of us know. I really don't think he'd do this for a pr move. He's going to be 29, I just think he's ready to move on to that stage of his life now.

7willBheaven
02-26-2011, 10:18 PM
He could have been dating her casually before Milledgeville, or even somewhat seriously for all any of us know. I really don't think he'd do this for a pr move. He's going to be 29, I just think he's ready to move on to that stage of his life now.

This is what i remember reading a long time ago...that he had been seeing this Ashley girl on and off for a while and such. So i too do not think its anything new or rushed/etc because of the incident. Now it may look fishy and people will say it is/etc...that part is what i think is unfortunate.

XxKnightxX
02-26-2011, 10:30 PM
This is what i remember reading a long time ago...that he had been seeing this Ashley girl on and off for a while and such. So i too do not think its anything new or rushed/etc because of the incident. Now it may look fishy and people will say it is/etc...that part is what i think is unfortunate.

But at the end of the day, I dont think Ben gives three flying shits. Go get married and have lots of Babies that will be future Steelers QBs PLEEEASE lol.

smokin3000gt
02-26-2011, 10:33 PM
Wow.. that was a fast wedding/engagement! No wonder the divorce rate is so high and everyone is losing half of everything these days...

7SteelGal43
02-26-2011, 11:01 PM
She is so freakin' adorable I can't stand it !

siss
02-26-2011, 11:19 PM
She is cute. And I hope her and Ben are very happy together.


And if he isn't he still has my number!!!!!!


:lust:

steelerdude15
02-27-2011, 12:11 AM
They've been off and on so they might have been dating before the second accusation. TMZ just loves Ben.

Craic
02-27-2011, 01:42 AM
Tell you all one thing. This has me very worried.

Look again at the date. Why would it be so close to training camp?

Charlie Batch has seemed to become a bit of a mentor to Ben. Batch is in the negotiations on the side of the union.

Does Ben know something about this season we don't know?

Steeldude
02-27-2011, 04:15 AM
I don't know, it still seems...sudden to me. From Milledgeville to marriage in less than a year? I can see how people would think this is a PR move given how fast it all happened

another poor decision by BR, but a brilliant one by his g/f. now she is set for life without having to work a single hour.

stillers4me
02-27-2011, 07:11 AM
another poor decision by BR, but a brilliant one by his g/f. now she is set for life without having to work a single hour.

How would you know anything about Ben's personal decisions? Maybe she's the best thing that ever happened to him, better than 100 million dollars and he's not letting her get away. I wish them a lifetime of happiness.

86WARD
02-27-2011, 08:17 AM
Similar path that Brett Favre took...

tube517
02-27-2011, 08:52 AM
Um, no. :no:


She reminds me a little of Elisabeth last name not to be spoken.

http://www.esquire.com/cm/esquire/images/elisabeth-hasselbeck-WI-0209-lg-56827965.jpg

zulater
02-27-2011, 10:53 AM
How would you know anything about Ben's personal decisions? Maybe she's the best thing that ever happened to him, better than 100 million dollars and he's not letting her get away. I wish them a lifetime of happiness.



Thanks for saying what I was thinking. :thumbsup:

stillers4me
02-27-2011, 10:56 AM
What really burns me about this TMZ thing is that Ben and Ashley apparantly sent out the notices to close friends and family that they assumed would keep it in confidence, considering the situation.

One of them ratted them out and contacted TMZ. How else would they have gotten their hands on one? :mad2:

zulater
02-27-2011, 12:35 PM
What really burns me about this TMZ thing is that Ben and Ashley apparantly sent out the notices to close friends and family that they assumed would keep it in confidence, considering the situation.

One of them ratted them out and contacted TMZ. How else would they have gotten their hands on one? :mad2:

Possibly the printer or someone associated with the printer got hold of a copy?

stillers4me
02-27-2011, 12:38 PM
Possibly the printer or someone associated with the printer got hold of a copy?

Could be. If I were them, I'd change printers for the invitations, and I'd be having a little talk with the management of the new company.

Merchant
02-27-2011, 12:43 PM
"Holla we want prenupt.. We want prenupt!!"

zulater
02-27-2011, 12:55 PM
Could be. If I were them, I'd change printers for the invitations, and I'd be having a little talk with the management of the new company.

It may or may not have been the printers? I'm just saying there's other ways the invitation could have got out. Hell those weasels at TMZ could have paid off a maid of someone invited, scoured through someone's trash etc... There's a million ways it could have got out.

And besides, if that's the worst thing that happens to Ben this offseason I think he, and we can all handle it. :chuckle:

KeiselPower99
02-27-2011, 03:01 PM
Im not gonna judge the date or the motive but all I will say is Ben knows what he is doing and congrats!

HometownGal
02-27-2011, 04:30 PM
How would you know anything about Ben's personal decisions? Maybe she's the best thing that ever happened to him, better than 100 million dollars and he's not letting her get away. I wish them a lifetime of happiness.

:applaudit: :thumbsup: :applaudit:

If they're happy, which obviously they are - I'm happy. She is a beautiful young woman who is obviously well educated and career-minded. I wish them a wonderful life together. :drink:

Count Steeler
02-27-2011, 04:59 PM
When you have found the right one, why wait. I went out with my wife for 3 dates and it was obvious that we would be great together. We got married in 6 months. 24 years later, we are still very much in love. I wish the same for everyone.

siss
02-27-2011, 06:10 PM
Ben and the future Mrs. were at his sisters game today.

Count Steeler
02-27-2011, 08:26 PM
Ben and the future Mrs. were at his sisters game today.

Stalker! ;)

siss
02-27-2011, 08:34 PM
Stalker! ;)

It was on TV.

Count Steeler
02-27-2011, 08:36 PM
It was on TV.

Just some playful teasing siss. We know you have a crush on Ben, and are a willing replacement bride if anything should happen to the current Mrs Ben to be.

vader29
02-27-2011, 08:37 PM
Stalker! ;)

:rofl2:

siss
02-27-2011, 09:26 PM
Just some playful teasing siss. We know you have a crush on Ben, and are a willing replacement bride if anything should happen to the current Mrs Ben to be.

I have a dress and everything if I am called to duty!

Count Steeler
02-28-2011, 05:27 AM
I have a dress and everything if I am called to duty!

Way to take one for the team. We love ya siss. :tt02:

stillers4me
02-28-2011, 05:33 AM
Save the date, siss. Just in case...if the bride has a last minute chnage of heart, you'll be ready to step right up!

GodfatherofSoul
02-28-2011, 10:58 AM
She reminds me a little of Elisabeth last name not to be spoken.

+1 I thought it was a joke at first, didn't realize this *wasn't* Elisabeth!

siss
02-28-2011, 12:13 PM
+1 I thought it was a joke at first, didn't realize this *wasn't* Elisabeth!

Are you talking about the chick from Zack and Miri make a Porno?

zulater
02-28-2011, 12:14 PM
She reminds me a little of Elisabeth last name not to be spoken.

http://www.esquire.com/cm/esquire/images/elisabeth-hasselbeck-WI-0209-lg-56827965.jpg

So does that mean you prefer those other hags at The View more? :horror:


:wink02:

siss
02-28-2011, 12:32 PM
So does that mean you prefer those other hags at The View more? :horror:


:wink02:
Ohhh Hasselcracks wife! I gottcha now.


I still think she looks like the chick from Zack and Miri make a Porno.

oneforthetoe
02-28-2011, 02:22 PM
So does that mean you prefer those other hags at The View more? :horror:


:wink02:


Only this one. Come on I know you want IT.:bounce:

http://www.hecklerspray.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/rosie05.jpg

Butch
02-28-2011, 02:32 PM
Don't like it.

I want him focused on football right now. Plenty of time to get married and riding bikes after football...which I hope is not time soon!!!

siss
02-28-2011, 02:50 PM
Don't like it.

I want him focused on football right now. Plenty of time to get married and riding bikes after football...which I hope is not time soon!!!

I'd rather him get married than be in Georgia bar with a drunk sorority skank.

GodfatherofSoul
02-28-2011, 02:51 PM
Are you talking about the chick from Zack and Miri make a Porno?

I was talking about Hasselbeck, but apparently that *is* a picture of Hasselbeck.

Butch
02-28-2011, 03:00 PM
I'd rather him get married than be in Georgia bar with a drunk sorority skank.


How much worse would it have been if he was married??? ie...Tiger.



I'd rather he win Superbowls than anything else.

Craic
02-28-2011, 08:05 PM
How would you know anything about Ben's personal decisions? Maybe she's the best thing that ever happened to him, better than 100 million dollars and he's not letting her get away. I wish them a lifetime of happiness.

Personally, I completely agree with you. But remember, there are a load of people around here that DO believe they know about the personal decisions of two young ladies over the last two years. So I guess it is about the same-eh?

Either way, I wish Ben well and hope for a lifetime of happiness. I also hope he has talked with those closest to him and have made this decision after good counsel from close friends.

siss
02-28-2011, 08:43 PM
The thing is that getting married ups the ante for Ben. If he had been married last year, I think the PR hit would have been worse than it was. He was just a single guy looking for some ass in a bathroom. If it happens again, he's a drunk married ass cheating on his wife. Just ask Tiger.

I just don't think Ben would go into a marriage if he wasn't ready and he didn't intend to be with her and just her. I hope she is the best thing to ever happen to them (although I think one could argue being suspended by Goodouche was the best thing to every happen to him.).

memphissteelergirl
02-28-2011, 10:38 PM
Congrats, Ben. I will be looking for my invite in the mail. (j/k) :D

stillers4me
02-28-2011, 11:04 PM
Personally, I completely agree with you. But remember, there are a load of people around here that DO believe they know about the personal decisions of two young ladies over the last two years. So I guess it is about the same-eh?

I have been a single lady out with my friends for some fun. It was my personal decision not to hang all over men I did not know and let myself get so drunk that I could not even remember if I was raped or not, even if they were picking up the tab. Or set up a meeting with a stranger in his hotel room. Nor would I be happy if my daughter made these decisions. I held myself responsible for my actions.

HometownGal
03-01-2011, 06:26 AM
I have been a single lady out with my friends for some fun. It was my personal decision not to hang all over men I did not know and let myself get so drunk that I could not even remember if I was raped or not, even if they were picking up the tab. Or set up a meeting with a stranger in his hotel room. Nor would I be happy if my daughter made these decisions. I held myself responsible for my actions.

:applaudit: :applaudit: :applaudit:

steelpride12
03-01-2011, 12:18 PM
Ill save the date just in case she becomes available, Ill take her to Millegeville and into the bathroom drunk any day! :bananadoggywow:

zulater
03-01-2011, 12:31 PM
I have been a single lady out with my friends for some fun. It was my personal decision not to hang all over men I did not know and let myself get so drunk that I could not even remember if I was raped or not, even if they were picking up the tab. Or set up a meeting with a stranger in his hotel room. Nor would I be happy if my daughter made these decisions. I held myself responsible for my actions.

You asked for it Preach. :wink02:


:chuckle:

Craic
03-01-2011, 03:05 PM
I have been a single lady out with my friends for some fun. It was my personal decision not to hang all over men I did not know and let myself get so drunk that I could not even remember if I was raped or not, even if they were picking up the tab. Or set up a meeting with a stranger in his hotel room. Nor would I be happy if my daughter made these decisions. I held myself responsible for my actions.

And my solitary point is, how do you know what Ben's accuser was thinking?
Oh yeah, and has there been 1 night in your life, where you maybe made a mistake and drank too much-then things get out of hand?
Sorry, I don't buy that just because someone makes a mistake-that invites someone else to take advantage of them-which is what your post suggests too me.

siss
03-01-2011, 04:31 PM
It has nothing to do with any thought that she deserved anything. Its more of a thought that she isn't the innocent flower she was made out to be and is also solely responsible for her actions as well that night. And this is coming from women preach. Non of us have any sympathy for her or give her a break. She is just as much to blame as he is.

salamander
03-01-2011, 04:37 PM
Ill save the date just in case she becomes available, Ill take her to Millegeville and into the bathroom drunk any day! :bananadoggywow:

I'm telling Amber. :chuckle:

Count Steeler
03-01-2011, 04:39 PM
And my solitary point is, how do you know what Ben's accuser was thinking?
Oh yeah, and has there been 1 night in your life, where you maybe made a mistake and drank too much-then things get out of hand?
Sorry, I don't buy that just because someone makes a mistake-that invites someone else to take advantage of them-which is what your post suggests too me.

But if the mistake is an open invitation, how can the acceptor be the bad guy?

Some of us have remorse and regret after we sin, however, we should not be looking to pass the responsibility of the sin on to others. Like "The devil made me do it". Sorry, the devil is the tempter and the Lord will deliver us from temptation if we allow Him to. If we don't, then who needs to seek forgiveness?

From the accounts I have heard, this girl was no angel and I don't think she was making a "mistake".

X-Terminator
03-01-2011, 05:15 PM
It has nothing to do with any thought that she deserved anything. Its more of a thought that she isn't the innocent flower she was made out to be and is also solely responsible for her actions as well that night. And this is coming from women preach. Non of us have any sympathy for her or give her a break. She is just as much to blame as he is.

Something that Preacher, with all due respect, has failed to acknowledge from day one. It's all "big, evil Ben's fault" and the drunk girl with the "DTF" tag is completely innocent. I mean, what the hell do you think she was doing? Taking petitions for the Christian club at her college? :doh:

So many of us complain about how so many people today shirk responsibility whenever they do something wrong. Here's a clear-cut case of BOTH individuals being in the wrong, yet only one is getting all of the blame, while the other has pretty much been given a free pass from the media, which in turn has shaped the majority of public opinion. When is the girl going to get her share of the blame for what happened? My guess is the Twelfth of Never.

zulater
03-01-2011, 10:14 PM
If Ben's accusers aren't given the benefit of the doubt it might have something to do with how they acted in the aftermath of the alleged incidents. Shouldn't genuine victims of a sexual assault pursue charges and cooperate with authorities fully in an effort to see that they in fact come about?

I mean girl A doesn't even go to the police, ever. She instead waits and has Ben served with a civil suite a year after the so called fact.


Meanwhile girl B makes a highly contradictory statement to the police, then hires a law firm notorious for litigating out of court settlements, then stops talking to authorities forever more.

Sorry but this doesn't pass the smell test for most of us Preach.

I'm not going to get into what people should or shouldn't do in a hotel room or night club setting, I'm not going to suggest that anyone's actions led to something improper happening or not happening. But what I will suggest is that woman who have truly been sexually assaulted need to make a lot more effort than either of these ladies did to see to it that their attacker ( if there had been one) is properly punished!

Yeah we all know that it's a tough haul for genuine victims, we understand how things can be twisted and the accuser can feel as though they are the one's on trial. But these girls bailed before the plane even left the hangar. (figuritively speaking) I'm sorry but I think that's what makes this all bullshit to me!

I've been asked about 20 times since this has all taken place, how would you feel if it was your daughter or sister? You know what I tell them? If they were, you can damn well bet your last breath that I'd use every ounce of influence I had to see to it that their attacker was charged and punished! I'd support them to the fullest, and tell them that as long as they told the truth any immediate pain would be temporary and that it would haunt them forever if they didn't do whatever was in their power to see to it that their attacker couldn't victimize any more woman.


But I think their families know that there was no crime, that's why they advocated they hire lawyers and get what they can while they can.

You see true victims needn't hire a lawyer, or at least not until after criminal proceedings have taken place, because the state is the advocate for genuine victims.

Anyway in my opinion that's why these girls haven't earned the benefit of the doubt.

Craic
03-03-2011, 01:02 AM
But if the mistake is an open invitation, how can the acceptor be the bad guy?

Some of us have remorse and regret after we sin, however, we should not be looking to pass the responsibility of the sin on to others. Like "The devil made me do it". Sorry, the devil is the tempter and the Lord will deliver us from temptation if we allow Him to. If we don't, then who needs to seek forgiveness?

From the accounts I have heard, this girl was no angel and I don't think she was making a "mistake".


Ahhh, the old "She's a slut anyways so of course it had to be ok with her" defense.

Very nice.

Craic
03-03-2011, 02:22 AM
If Ben's accusers aren't given the benefit of the doubt it might have something to do with how they acted in the aftermath of the alleged incidents. Shouldn't genuine victims of a sexual assault pursue charges and cooperate with authorities fully in an effort to see that they in fact come about?

As I have been pointing out for nearly two years, the answer is no. Most of those who are raped will not go to the police. Some will not go because of shame. Others will not go because it is simply a he said/she said incident. Still many others will not go because they fear what others will think-much like what has happened on this board. Rumors, (she's a slut), name calling (ho, bitch, money-grabber, etc) serve to be a great deterrent against the reporting and prosecution of rape.


I mean girl A doesn't even go to the police, ever. She instead waits and has Ben served with a civil suite a year after the so called fact. Meanwhile girl B makes a highly contradictory statement to the police, then hires a law firm notorious for litigating out of court settlements, then stops talking to authorities forever more. Sorry but this doesn't pass the smell test for most of us Preach.

I would submit that is because you have not worked with those who have been raped. I am not making an emotional argument here, but rather, a logical argument that the actions you are seeing from these women are typical reactions to rape. That does not mean in itself that it he did rape them, but their actions after the rape ALSO does not negate that fact.

The truth of the matter is, people will lie to themselves for months or even years about what actually happened. It is a defensive mechanism in the brain. It is the EXACT same thing that happens when a women is beat by a man, and then when asked, she says that she deserved it, or that she really does love him and oh, he isn't THAT bad.

The number one problem I have seen in people defending Ben here, is that they are all resorting to purely logical arguments to explain events and reports that would have been driven not by logic, but by emotion. Thus, making a report, and not telling half the story is completely normal. Having the facts completely screwed up is completely normal. That is PRECISELY why D.A.'s would rather have a case provable by DNA and fingerprints, than an eye-witness.

A much fairer assessment, is comparing her actions to the tendency of other's actions who go through the same thing. When you do THAT instead, I think you would find, that they both pass-at least enough to judge that they aren't simply "lying to make a buck". Again, it doesn't prove rape. It does prove that IN THEIR MINDS- something really did happen. The question then, is how accurate was their assessment of the overall situation. THAT, can be debated all day. But there is no doubt in my mind, that they both BELIEVE something bad happened.


I'm not going to get into what people should or shouldn't do in a hotel room or night club setting, I'm not going to suggest that anyone's actions led to something improper happening or not happening. But what I will suggest is that woman who have truly been sexually assaulted need to make a lot more effort than either of these ladies did to see to it that their attacker ( if there had been one) is properly punished!

Sorry, 2010-90,000 rapes were reported. FBI states that 75,000 more rapes were not.
Arrest rate for rape 25%, Aggravated assault 51%, Murder 79 %
http://www.whas11.com/news/iteam/Under-Prosecuted-What-happens-to-rape-victims-waiting-for-justice-84056202.html

That is the background information. Now let's talk about what actually happens.

1. The rape. someone violates you in a way that destroys part of who you are inside-that is, mentally, emotionally etc. I am not, nor do I need to go into more detail.

Sadly, this is just the beginning.

2. The woman (usually) has to go to the ER. There, she SITS IN THE WAITING ROOM like everyone else, until a room opens up. Since, it isn't "Life or death", she can be in the waiting room 2, 3 hours or more. THEN, she goes into the room for the exam. After this, the woman gets violated AGAIN, in pretty much every orifice-as well as pubic hairs, head hairs, etc. getting pulled-all for sake of the "Rape Kit".

3. Now, someplace in there, or just before/after, she has to relive the story AGAIN, by telling officers what happened-go read testimonies online, and realize just how unsympathetic many of those officers are.

4. Finally, if all of this has been done, and she is one of the FEW people who actually see this go to trial, now, she gets to sit in front of a jury full of strangers, a court room full of strangers, and the schmuck who did it, and re-live the ENTIRE thing again. Furthermore, she then has to put up with the defense attorney twisting every word possible, making all sorts of innuendo and assumptions, basically, trying every way possible to make it her fault-after all, she is just lying and really wanted sex (except for the "Not me" defense, this is the ONLY other plausible defense).

THEN, she has a 50-50 shot of hearing a jury come back and say, "not guilty". All of that, could simply be based on a screwed up statement taken by a police officer, or a bad rape kit.

And you STILL THINK that it is odd that women don't usually want this crime prosecuted if they've been raped? Sorry, but its just the opposite. ANY women who actually wants to prosecute an actual rape, is quite an amazing and strong woman.

Oh yeah, then add THIS STATEMENT to it:
Investigators also report that on the night of the incident, Blash informed the accuser and her friends that "Roethlisberger has a lot of money" and if the women were to follow through with a police report, they "would be wasting their time."

No, it doesn't seem very far-fetched to me at all.


Yeah we all know that it's a tough haul for genuine victims, we understand how things can be twisted and the accuser can feel as though they are the one's on trial. But these girls bailed before the plane even left the hangar. (figuritively speaking) I'm sorry but I think that's what makes this all bullshit to me!
Please, go to a search on "backlog of rape kit". "Percentage of rapes prosecuted," etc. It seems VERY plausible. It's typical for how a woman acts after being raped. ESPECIALLY, if she has FRIENDS that think the same way you do (See below) and push her to go to the police, then here what he said-they push some more, all the while, she is losing heart.


I've been asked about 20 times since this has all taken place, how would you feel if it was your daughter or sister? You know what I tell them? If they were, you can damn well bet your last breath that I'd use every ounce of influence I had to see to it that their attacker was charged and punished! I'd support them to the fullest, and tell them that as long as they told the truth any immediate pain would be temporary and that it would haunt them forever if they didn't do whatever was in their power to see to it that their attacker couldn't victimize any more woman.

You say that now. But when you look into their eyes, and see that they just aren't there anymore-that they have literally been changed, possibly forever, that is no longer true.


But I think their families know that there was no crime, that's why they advocated they hire lawyers and get what they can while they can.

You see true victims needn't hire a lawyer, or at least not until after criminal proceedings have taken place, because the state is the advocate for genuine victims.
Sorry- but no. 1 bundled rape kit. 1 chink in the chain of evidence. 1 screw up by the police (like, oh, telling the woman its not worth prosecuting-and who knows what else may have happened), is all it takes. After all, once again, he said she said. Since it is a lower burden of proof in a civil case, that route is taken, since there just has to be 51% responsibility on the person committing the offense. Just because someone goes civil, doesn't mean they are after money. IT may mean that the schmuck was just a bit too careful with any evidence.


Anyway in my opinion that's why these girls haven't earned the benefit of the doubt.
Well, IMO, that and the B&G Ben wears. After all, how many where willing to throw Sanchez off the Heinz billboard for having legal sex?

As I keep stating, I do not know, NOR DOES ANYONE ELSE HERE- what really happened.

But I continue to be amazed at some of the ignorance concerning rape victims and their following actions.

For instance- it is not unknown at all for a rape victim who was a virgin, to turn into a raging ho thereafter.

It is not unknown for rape victims to have extremely depressive, even psychotic episodes thereafter.

It is not unknown for rape victims to act as if nothing had every happened on the outside, but go home and literally lock themselves in-even sleep in closets with knives and the like.

I could go on, and on, and on.

And yes-for the record: those women who DO fabricate rape for revenge, should be put in jail the same amount of time rapists are put in jail. However, the problem is the same-burden of proof.

zulater
03-03-2011, 05:59 AM
Preach you haven't told me anything I don't already know. But these two cases involving Ben, when you take all the information that's been made available, before, during, and after, and combine it, it just doesn't add up the way's that you have made out.

Do I dismiss the possibility that Ben in fact raped either of these girls altogether. No. But having examined the information available I think the probability that both charges are false is considerably more likely.

The evidence supports Ben deserving a presumption of innocence Preach. I don't know why that's such a hard thing for you to grasp.

Once accused, always suspected. I guess that's the burden Ben will always have to bear from some, even though he was throroughly investigated and uncharged in one instance, and is vigorously defending himself through legal channels in the other.

HometownGal
03-03-2011, 06:06 AM
How did a thread on Ben's upcoming nuptials escalate into this all over again???? :doh: There are umpteen threads on the "yes he did, no he didn't" topic. Let's get this thread back to the original topic, please.

siss
03-03-2011, 09:23 AM
Back on the original topic...

Big Ben's bride-to-be has Beaver County ties

Mike Bires | 3 comments
HOPEWELL TWP. - Ben Roethlisberger's fiancée has a tie to Beaver County.
For three months last year, Ashley Harlan trained as a physician assistant for Dr. James Tatum, a family practitioner who has an office in Hopewell.
A 2004 Laurel High School graduate, Harlan earned a bachelor's degree in health science and a master's degree as a physician assistant from Saint Francis University in Loretto.
"Ashley did a real nice job with us," Tatum said. "She was very energetic. The patients liked her and enjoyed being in her company."
Tatum said that he has been training prospective physician assistants from area colleges for over 10 years now.
"It's like an internship-type thing," Tatum said. "It's part of their training program. They're with us for about three months, 40 hours a week in our office. We share our patients with them."
Roethlisberger, the Steelers' star quarterback, will marry Harlan on July 23.
While Tatum was impressed with Harlan's overall performance while she trained in his office, he was also impressed that she devoted her time and expertise to a medical mission in Honduras last year.
"She's was obviously very philanthropic and wanted to share her skills," said Tatum, who also has done mission work in the Central American nation.http://www.timesonline.com/sports/steelers/article_dcd23b28-448a-11e0-8d7e-0017a4a78c22.html#user-comment-area

Count Steeler
03-03-2011, 04:44 PM
delete

I'll save it for another thread.

HTG, delete the quote of my post, please.

HometownGal
03-03-2011, 05:10 PM
This thread is about Ben's upcoming wedding and that is where the conversation should be centered.

By continuing this dead horse-beating, we are doing exactly what we abhor the media for doing. Not letting a dead dog lay.

tube517
03-03-2011, 08:58 PM
Are you calling Ben a dead dog? :rofl2:


This thread is about Ben's upcoming wedding and that is where the conversation should be centered.

By continuing this dead horse-beating, we are doing exactly what we abhor the media for doing. Not letting a dead dog lay.