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SteelCityMan786
02-08-2011, 12:22 PM
Denis Dixon-QB
Mewelde Moore-RB
Matt Spaeth-TE
Willie Colon-T
Trai Essex-G
Chris Hoke-NT
Lamar Woodley-LB
Andre Frazier-LB
Keyaron Fox-LB
Ike Taylor-CB
William Gay-CB
Daniel Sepulveda-P
Shaun Suisham?-K

Future FAs also included in case anyone is interested.
http://walterfootball.com/freeagentscontractspit.php

SteelCityMan786
02-08-2011, 12:29 PM
Dixon-Resign
Moore-Resign
Spaeth-Tossup
Colon-Resign, need to get the O-Line in order
Essex-Resign (See Colon)
Hoke-Tossup
Woodley-RESIGN
Frazier-Tossup
Fox-Gone
Taylor-Resign
Gay-Tossup to borderline GONE
Sepulveda-Resign, although Kapinos did pretty well
Suisham-Gone if they can find someone that is better then him. Otherwise he can stay.

salamander
02-08-2011, 12:36 PM
Woodley and Taylor - RESIGN

Dixon, Moore, Colon, Essex, Hoke - Resign (for depth)

Sepulveda - I want to say resign, but he blows out his knee just about every year so I say keep Kapinos

Suisham - I say resign, but obviously if someone better comes along then he's gone

Everyone else is a tossup for me. I want Fox gone. Too many bonehead penalties by him the past few seasons.

XxKnightxX
02-08-2011, 01:05 PM
Denis Dixon-QB- Resign, we need him he knows the offense
Mewelde Moore-RB- eh very diminished role but hes a capable backup, sign him
Matt Spaeth-TE- David Johnsons time, buh bye
Willie Colon-T- I dont know, I want him at RG, more of a natural position for him
Trai Essex-G- Our dependable scrub, he comes in when needed
Chris Hoke-NT-Idk bout this one, hes not getting any younger
Lamar Woodley-LB-RESIGN, period
Andre Frazier-LB- Who? byeee
Keyaron Fox-LB- give him a cab voucher to the airport, ST bully thats all Im done
Ike Taylor-CB- Re-sign but dont be surprised if he wants $$$$$
William Gay-CB- another backup scrub, but comes in handy, re sign
Daniel Sepulveda-P- Kapinos is more dependable , cant be having 2 punters every year.
Shaun Suisham?-K

XxKnightxX
02-08-2011, 01:06 PM
On another note, Who do you want the Steelers to sign in FA. Both Realistically and flat out Unrealistic situations?

7willBheaven
02-08-2011, 01:39 PM
Hahah that list is OLD...hasnt been updated since July 2010. Shoulda been a dead give away that they dont have DJ, Redman, J & C Scott, Legursky, Eason, McLendon, Worilds, Madison, Mundy, Leftwich, Kapinos, or Suisham on it. Andre Frazier hasnt been on the team in a year or more...he didnt make the final roster this past year (hell he may not even been in camp...i dont remember). Urbik isnt on the team anymore either.

Secondly some of these players will be RFAs not regular FAs.

I would not go by this list...now most of the ones listed above are FA or RFAs but there are a LOT of players missing...some of which could be FAs....maybe someone can find an updated and accurate list to go by.

polamalubeast
02-08-2011, 01:48 PM
Ike Taylor:Resign
Spaeth:OUT
colon:resign
Lamarr woodley:RESIGN OR TAG
Shaun Suisham:OUT

SteelerFanInStl
02-08-2011, 01:49 PM
Must sign:
Woodley
Taylor
Colon

The others I don't really care about.
Essex - knows the system and is versatile but he's just not very good.
Dixon - I'd like to see him back but I won't be too upset if he leaves. I don't think he'll ever be anything more than a backup in the NFL.
Gay - I think he's an OK nickel back but he's easily replaced.
Sepulveda - I had high hopes for him when he was drafted but he just can't stay healthy. He also never produced at the level that was expected of him with him being a 4th round draft pick.
Memo & Hoke - Dependable backups but I don't really care if they stay or go.

7willBheaven
02-08-2011, 01:50 PM
Heres a more recent lists of FAs...i still think a couple are missing here, but its a lot more recent list at least...

http://www.steelersdepot.com/2010/09/early-look-at-steelers-2011-free-agents-players-in-final-year-of-contract/

tube517
02-08-2011, 02:03 PM
Must haves: Taylor, Colon, Woodley
Valuable backups but getting old: Hoke
Mediocre backups that could go: Essex, Spaeth, Gay, Moore, Dixon
Don't let the door hit you on the way out: Fox

Kickers and punters aren't real football players so I'm not wasting my energy deciding on them. :chuckle:

steelerdude15
02-08-2011, 02:25 PM
Willie and Matt can go. I really don't care for them and we have better players at that position. We have to resign LaMarr, Ike, and Willie. I would like to see us keep Chris. Fox has had some costly penalties, but he's been a pretty solid special teams player. For our kicker and Punter (even though Dan is pretty good), if we can get better, go for it.

Pittsburghfan
02-08-2011, 03:23 PM
On another note, Who do you want the Steelers to sign in FA. Both Realistically and flat out Unrealistic situations?

Unrealistically? http://static.tvfanatic.com/files/nnamdi-asomugha.jpg
Asomugha

SteelCityMan786
02-08-2011, 03:55 PM
Unrealistically? http://static.tvfanatic.com/files/nnamdi-asomugha.jpg
Asomugha

If he takes a nice pay cut, I want Gay OUT OF HERE.

steelreserve
02-08-2011, 04:16 PM
Denis Dixon - gone
Mewelde Moore - gone
Matt Spaeth - gone
Willie Colon - keep
Trai Essex - keep
Chris Hoke - depends on draft plans
Lamar Woodley - KEEP
Andre Frazier - probably gone
Keyaron Fox - 50-50
Ike Taylor - keep
William Gay - gone
Daniel Sepulveda - gone
Shaun Suisham? - 50-50

Much as I like Sepulveda when he's healthy, the recurring injuries are just becoming too much to deal with. We don't want to be scrambling for a punter off the garbage pile in the middle of every year. Suisham I would've said keep, but he had some dreadful misses as the year progressed. Moore is an OK backup, but I just don't see much room for him in the backfield and we already have guys waiting in the wings for their chance.

Gay can get lost and go suck a cock or two.

SteelerSal
02-08-2011, 04:16 PM
Denis Dixon-QB- Resign, we need him he knows the offense

He don't know it that well, every chance he had to play, they had to dummy up the offense.
Wouldn't make a difference to me if we kept him or not.

steelreserve
02-08-2011, 04:25 PM
He don't know it that well, every chance he had to play, they had to dummy up the offense.
Wouldn't make a difference to me if we kept him or not.

Yeah, Dixon had his make-or-beak chance this year, and he didn't make it. As a QB, either you "get it" by now or you don't. Time to move on to the next roll of the dice on a low-rounder.

Buckinnuts
02-08-2011, 06:35 PM
Denis Dixon-QB = out
Mewelde Moore-RB = out
Matt Spaeth-TE = out
Willie Colon-T = sign
Trai Essex-G = sign
Chris Hoke-NT = out but hope he stays
Lamar Woodley-LB = sign
Andre Frazier-LB = out
Keyaron Fox-LB = out
Ike Taylor-CB = unfortunately signed
William Gay-CB = out
Daniel Sepulveda-P = out
Shaun Suisham?-K =out

Psycho Ward 86
02-08-2011, 06:39 PM
Dennis Dixon-QB RESIGN
Mewelde Moore-RB
Matt Spaeth-TE RESIGN
Willie Colon-T RESIGN
Trai Essex-G
Chris Hoke-NT RESIGN
Lamar Woodley-LB RESIGN
Andre Frazier-LB
Keyaron Fox-LB
Ike Taylor-CB RESIGN
William Gay-CB
Daniel Sepulveda-P RESIGN
Shaun Suisham?-K RESIGN


This is what i think will happen...

Count Steeler
02-08-2011, 06:41 PM
All depends what they think they can get in the draft. We have a strong team, just need to fill a few holes, especially in the DB. We need to shore up our lines, both O and D.

If Lefty is here for one more year, let Dixon go and draft a QB next year.
Mewelde Moore, out. Let Jonathan Dwyer develop.
Spaeth Out.
Colon and Essex, depends on draft, but sign short term for now.
Hoke, hopefully a draft pick can fill his roster spot.
Woodley, stay.
Taylor keep if price is not too steep.
Gay, time to go.
Kickers, pick the 2 best that come to camp next year.

Psycho Ward 86
02-08-2011, 06:41 PM
LOL they stil have Urbik and Frazier on the future FA list

Chidi29
02-08-2011, 06:45 PM
I really like Gay in the nickel. He's done a great job there. He's good enough in zone coverage and is a really solid tackler. He's still growing and maturing and will only continue to get better.

I think some of you guys expect us to have a field of all-stars at CB. Our scheme doesn't even ask for it.

Chidi29
02-08-2011, 06:46 PM
As for Woodley, the only way I would keep him is with the tag. I would not give him a long-term extension. I'm not interested in paying $40+ million in guaranteed money for an OLB when we've clearly shown we can put just about anyone there and have them be successful.

Good/great player? Yes.

Worth that money? Nope.

Texasteel
02-08-2011, 06:50 PM
I really like Gay in the nickel. He's done a great job there. He's good enough in zone coverage and is a really solid tackler. He's still growing and maturing and will only continue to get better.

I think some of you guys expect us to have a field of all-stars at CB. Our scheme doesn't even ask for it.


I agree with you, Gay did great in the nickle his 1st year and this year. We asked too much of him his 2nd year. We expected way too much.

tube517
02-08-2011, 06:52 PM
THey probably had Alonzo Jackson in there too.


LOL they stil have Urbik and Frazier on the future FA list

Psycho Ward 86
02-08-2011, 06:53 PM
Don't let the door hit you on the way out: Fox


What the hell? Our best special teams player, not to mention the captain? Don't be bitter about the personal foul penalty on the losing drive of the superbowl. He didn't lose us the game. Not to mention Keyaron played pretty well starting in place of Timmons in '09. Guy is one tenacious mutha f*cka on special teams and defense. I cannot over emphasize his importance as a backup linebacker, even though we have a lot of them. I don't have as much faith in Foote, and who knows if Sylvester and Worilds do or dont pan out?

Texasteel
02-08-2011, 06:54 PM
As for Woodley, the only way I would keep him is with the tag. I would not give him a long-term extension. I'm not interested in paying $40+ million in guaranteed money for an OLB when we've clearly shown we can put just about anyone there and have them be successful.

Good/great player? Yes.

Worth that money? Nope.


I think I heard a report that stated the Steelers have already decided to use the tag on Woodley.

GoSlash27
02-08-2011, 06:55 PM
Denis Dixon-QB Let him go. I like him, but he doesn't fit the system.
Mewelde Moore-RB Let him go. Promote Redman.
Matt Spaeth-TE Let him go. He can't catch.
Willie Colon-T Re-sign. Not the best OT in the league, but he's like a pit bull when it comes to Ben.
Trai Essex-G Let him go. I want the other Pouncey twin.
Chris Hoke-NT Keep him. Excellent backup.
Lamar Woodley-LB Re-sign and make it worth his time for jerkin' his chain this year.
Andre Frazier-LB Let him go.
Keyaron Fox-LB Keep him. He's gonna be a stud.
Ike Taylor-CB Keep him. We need at least one senior.
William Gay-CB Let him go. The waffling between stellar and inept gives me a headache.
Daniel Sepulveda-P Keep him. He's done good.
Shaun Suisham?-K Keep him.

tube517
02-08-2011, 06:57 PM
Not at all...I like Fox but he's a free agent. I don't know if they are going to keep him and pay him more money to be a special teams player. Unless he agrees and signs for less money, I don't see him staying.


What the hell? Our best special teams player, not to mention the captain? Don't be bitter about the personal foul penalty on the losing drive of the superbowl. He didn't lose us the game. Not to mention Keyaron played pretty well starting in place of Timmons in '09. Guy is one tenacious mutha f*cka on special teams and defense. I cannot over emphasize his importance as a backup linebacker, even though we have a lot of them. I don't have as much faith in Foote, and who knows if Sylvester and Worilds do or dont pan out?

Chidi29
02-08-2011, 08:24 PM
What the hell? Our best special teams player, not to mention the captain? Don't be bitter about the personal foul penalty on the losing drive of the superbowl. He didn't lose us the game. Not to mention Keyaron played pretty well starting in place of Timmons in '09. Guy is one tenacious mutha f*cka on special teams and defense. I cannot over emphasize his importance as a backup linebacker, even though we have a lot of them. I don't have as much faith in Foote, and who knows if Sylvester and Worilds do or dont pan out?

The problem is that this wasn't the first time Fox had costly penalties on special teams. He had at least two in the AFC Championship game. That stuff is absolutely killer.

Burghfan58
02-08-2011, 09:53 PM
Woodley and Taylor - RESIGN

Dixon, Moore, Colon, Essex, Hoke - Resign (for depth)

Sepulveda - I want to say resign, but he blows out his knee just about every year so I say keep Kapinos

Suisham - I say resign, but obviously if someone better comes along then he's gone

Everyone else is a tossup for me. I want Fox gone. Too many bonehead penalties by him the past few seasons.

Sounds like a plan. They can save some cash and let Sepulveda walk. Suisham will end up battling another kicker in camp for the job. Fox went from promising a few years ago to worthless this season.

PS: NEPA I'll be up in your neck of the woods to the WBS Pens game on Sat. night.

steelreserve
02-08-2011, 10:40 PM
I really like Gay in the nickel. He's done a great job there. He's good enough in zone coverage and is a really solid tackler. He's still growing and maturing and will only continue to get better.

I think some of you guys expect us to have a field of all-stars at CB. Our scheme doesn't even ask for it.

Clearly, our scheme asks for better than what we have. Why else do you think the result against pass-heavy teams is always a giant shart lately - and the highlight reel is mostly clips of our safeties dragging down opposing receivers after an 18-yard catch and run because Gay was three steps late? Is that all just coincidence?

7willBheaven
02-08-2011, 10:42 PM
Wow...i find it funny...that after myself...and others have posted certain players in the list by the OP havent been on the team since before the season start...that people STILL continue to act as if they are...by putting "Gone"/etc by their name(s). I know in the posted list its only one guy (even though the site the OP got it from they had MANY MANY errors on their list)...but still. I mean people dont know their own fave football team and its players? WOW, haha. Not that i care how dumb some look by doing this and it doesnt bother me...i just find it amusing. haha

86WARD
02-08-2011, 11:07 PM
Denis Dixon-QB - Keep
Mewelde Moore-RB - Go
Matt Spaeth-TE - Keep
Willie Colon-T - Keep
Trai Essex-G - Go
Chris Hoke-NT - Keep
Lamar Woodley-LB - Keep
Andre Frazier-LB - Go
Keyaron Fox-LB - Keep
Ike Taylor-CB - Keep
William Gay-CB - Keep cut McFadden Draft CB, address position OR Cut Gay Keep McFadden Draft CB, address position. McFadden or Gay = Nickelback.
Daniel Sepulveda-P - Keep
Shaun Suisham?-K - Go

Borski
02-08-2011, 11:55 PM
Resign Woodley. Taylor, and Sushi,

CUT Gay!!!

steelreserve
02-09-2011, 12:33 AM
Wow...i find it funny...that after myself...and others have posted certain players in the list by the OP havent been on the team since before the season start...that people STILL continue to act as if they are...by putting "Gone"/etc by their name(s). I know in the posted list its only one guy (even though the site the OP got it from they had MANY MANY errors on their list)...but still. I mean people dont know their own fave football team and its players? WOW, haha. Not that i care how dumb some look by doing this and it doesnt bother me...i just find it amusing. haha

What, Frazier? Honestly, I was kind of surprised to see he was "on" the team, but figured I'd take his word for it. I really didn't care enough to go look up and validate who the 532rd man on the bench was. Oh well, guess I'm just a lousy bandwagoner. OMG, I should go root for the Pack. Rooooooooooodgerrrrsr!!!!!

Steeldude
02-09-2011, 02:23 AM
Denis Dixon-QB - let him go
Mewelde Moore-RB - the steelers can live without him
Matt Spaeth-TE -no big loss. replace with someone who can catch
Willie Colon-T - depending on the draft the steelers will need to re-sign him
Trai Essex-G - a serviceable backup, but that's about it.
Chris Hoke-NT - re-sign
Lamar Woodley-LB - he'll cost too much. too inconsistent for the money he is going to ask
Andre Frazier-LB - no big loss
Keyaron Fox-LB - try to re-sign
Ike Taylor-CB - try to re-sign, but might ask for too much
William Gay-CB - no big loss, but will need a veteran replacement
Daniel Sepulveda-P - no big loss
Shaun Suisham?-K - depends on what kickers are out there

Austin87
02-09-2011, 02:42 AM
Got this list off Wikipedia:

The guys I want back are Colon, Eason, Fox, Hoke, Sep, Taylor, Woodley and Legursky.

Unrestricted FAs


74 Willie Colon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Colon_%28American_football%29) OT
93 Nick Eason (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Eason) DE
79 Trai Essex (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trai_Essex) G
57 Keyaron Fox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyaron_Fox) ILB
22 William Gay (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Gay_%28cornerback%29) CB
76 Chris Hoke (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Hoke) NT
37 Anthony Madison (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Madison) CB
21 Mewelde Moore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mewelde_Moore) RB
72 Jonathan Scott (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Scott_%28American_football%29) OT
9 Daniel Sepulveda (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Sepulveda) P
89 Matt Spaeth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Spaeth) TE
6 Shaun Suisham (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaun_Suisham) K
24 Ike Taylor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ike_Taylor) CB
60 Greg Warren (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Warren_%28American_football%29) LS
56 LaMarr Woodley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaMarr_Woodley) OLB

Restricted FAs


10 Dennis Dixon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Dixon) QB
31 Tuff Harris (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuff_Harris) SS
66 Tony Hills (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Hills_%28American_football%29) OT

Exclusive-Rights FAs


13 Jeremy Kapinos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Kapinos) P
64 Doug Legursky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Legursky) C
29 Ryan Mundy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Mundy) FS

pepsyman1
02-09-2011, 05:32 AM
I really like Gay in the nickel. He's done a great job there. He's good enough in zone coverage and is a really solid tackler. He's still growing and maturing and will only continue to get better.

I think some of you guys expect us to have a field of all-stars at CB. Our scheme doesn't even ask for it.

And what would our scheme be able to accomplish or adjust to if we DID have all star corners? Ike is a solid cover guy, he's not a Revis, but teams general attack the other side with Bmac or Gay playing, and both of them are really subpar in man coverage. The Packers lost two cornerbacks during the game and the backups were still pretty much all over our receivers for most of the game. Gay isn't bad in nickel coverage, but we need a real ball hawk at one of the corner positions. How many times do you watch the Steelers D line up and Ike is 3 or 4 yards back from his man and Gay or Bmac is 10 yards off? I know Coach D frequently does that in his scheme, but Ike only does that occasionally, so part of it must be their ability to cover one on one. Whenever we play heavy passing teams, they all attack the side away from Ike all game....it's time to address it. We need our next standout defensive player to be another Rod Woodson.

Chidi29
02-09-2011, 05:53 AM
Clearly, our scheme asks for better than what we have. Why else do you think the result against pass-heavy teams is always a giant shart lately - and the highlight reel is mostly clips of our safeties dragging down opposing receivers after an 18-yard catch and run because Gay was three steps late? Is that all just coincidence?

In zone schemes, you'll often have a trail guy underneath which is why it may appear that Gay is always "three steps late".

Gay has had some good games this year. He was excellent against Buffalo and earned a lot of praise from Tomlin.

Regarding the Green Bay game, it definitely had more to do with scheme than players. No team beats a Cover 2 better than Green Bay.

Chidi29
02-09-2011, 06:00 AM
And what would our scheme be able to accomplish or adjust to if we DID have all star corners? Ike is a solid cover guy, he's not a Revis, but teams general attack the other side with Bmac or Gay playing, and both of them are really subpar in man coverage. The Packers lost two cornerbacks during the game and the backups were still pretty much all over our receivers for most of the game. Gay isn't bad in nickel coverage, but we need a real ball hawk at one of the corner positions. How many times do you watch the Steelers D line up and Ike is 3 or 4 yards back from his man and Gay or Bmac is 10 yards off? I know Coach D frequently does that in his scheme, but Ike only does that occasionally, so part of it must be their ability to cover one on one. Whenever we play heavy passing teams, they all attack the side away from Ike all game....it's time to address it. We need our next standout defensive player to be another Rod Woodson.

We would be able to accompllish a lot more with all-star corners. But the chances of getting three of those are slim.

Is Gay worse than Ike? Of course.

Is he iffy in man coverage? Yes.

Am I comparing Gay, a nickelback, to the #1 CB? No.

Do we use a lot of man coverage? Not really.

Our cornerbacks aren't asked to be ballhawks. A player like Asante Samuel or Antonio Cromartie would be horribl for our team. A lot of ballhawks are terrrible in run support. That's why I like McFadden, too. He does an awesome job against the run and basically kept Ike out of the LCB spot for that reason.

Gay comes in for subpackage defenses. Meaning the offense has gone with at least 3 WRs. With Gay usually on the slot guy, he's going to be asked to play off because you don't want to press the stacked side. It's easy for WRs to beat that with combination routes on that stacked side. And again, Ike is a better corner and a better press corner than Gay.

I don't know about this year, but Ike was targeted at least 80 times last season.

Gay isn't great but he fits the requirements we ask for out of our CBs. Good tacklers, physial, and willing to play the run.

JayC
02-09-2011, 09:16 AM
i'd release Gay and Fox for sure. We need to find a cornerback that's decent in free agency (i know that's a lot to ask for in pittsburgh) and hopefully another in the draft.

steelpride12
02-09-2011, 09:26 AM
Denis Dixon-QB = Needed for depth, since Batch is not getting any younger, Resign
Mewelde Moore-RB = How crucial has he been on this team when we needed him to step up, Resign
Matt Spaeth-TE = With the uprise from David Johnson, Spaeth is no longer needed, Out
Willie Colon-T = If he can stay healthy him and Pouncey will be the best line man up from, Resign
Trai Essex-G = Maybe needed for depth, but that should be taken care of during draft, Out
Chris Hoke-NT = Ehh a hell of a back up, but a resign would come later than sooner if they have the money, Resign

I like Sep, and when he was healthy before his knee problems he was a hell of a punter and is still young so I say resign him.
Lamar Woodley-LB = Obvious Sign right away
Andre Frazier-LB = out
Keyaron Fox-LB = One of the best ST's we have on this team besides Madison, Resign
Ike Taylor-CB = signed ASAP!
William Gay-CB = out
Shaun Suisham?-K =Wouldn't mind to see him back next season, but if we find one in the draft hmm.

JayC
02-09-2011, 09:50 AM
i know it sounds crazy and won't happen but i wish we would resign holmes if the jets dont. i know we wont have the money for it but holmes is a go to guy in the clutch, whereas you can't count on wallace that way.

Steeldude
02-09-2011, 09:57 AM
i know it sounds crazy and won't happen but i wish we would resign holmes if the jets dont. i know we wont have the money for it but holmes is a go to guy in the clutch, whereas you can't count on wallace that way.

why would you want a headcase back? sanders is better to have than holmes. why not bring burress back too :)

wallace's hands are better than holmes'. what did holmes do his first two years? the steelers are set at WR

ward
wallace
randle el
sander
brown
sweed
grisham etc...

HometownGal
02-09-2011, 10:07 AM
why would you want a headcase back? sanders is better to have than holmes. why not bring burress back too :)

wallace's hands are better than holmes'. what did holmes do his first two years? the steelers are set at WR

ward
wallace
randle el
sander
brown
sweed
grisham etc...

I agree. We are pretty solid at WR and there are other areas that need immediate attention.

I pretty much agree with steelpride's list, except I would lean towards keeping Gay and letting Fox go.

steelpride12
02-09-2011, 10:50 AM
Looking over this list just proves how much talent on this team we have and I truly believe if we work ont he needed positions in the draft we will only be stronger next season!

Godfather
02-09-2011, 11:13 AM
Woodley and Ike are the only must-have players.

The others would be nice to have but they can be replaced.

7willBheaven
02-09-2011, 01:04 PM
What, Frazier? Honestly, I was kind of surprised to see he was "on" the team, but figured I'd take his word for it. I really didn't care enough to go look up and validate who the 532rd man on the bench was. Oh well, guess I'm just a lousy bandwagoner. OMG, I should go root for the Pack. Rooooooooooodgerrrrsr!!!!!

Yes you should...now go sit in the corner and think about what you've done!

GodfatherofSoul
02-09-2011, 03:09 PM
Denis Dixon-QB GONE, proved he can't step in and be a viable backup
Mewelde Moore-RB GONE, looked sluggish all season except the Super Bowl
Matt Spaeth-TE GONE, lost potential I thought he'd take the reigns from Miller when we first got him
Willie Colon-T SIGN
Trai Essex-G SIGN, (he could get a Super bowl contender upgrade and be too expensive)
Chris Hoke-NT SIGN (should be cheap)
Lamar Woodley-LB SIGN (might be too expensive)
Andre Frazier-LB meh
Keyaron Fox-LB meh
Ike Taylor-CB SIGN
William Gay-CB CAMP CUT If we get a good draft pick, I bet he'd get outplayed.
Daniel Sepulveda-P CUT Too injury prone
Shaun Suisham?-K SIGN Maybe bring in a camp prospect to push him.

NJarhead
02-09-2011, 03:12 PM
On another note, Who do you want the Steelers to sign in FA. Both Realistically and flat out Unrealistic situations?

Let William Gay walk, McFadden can play the nickle and we sign this guy: http://www.nfl.com/players/brentgrimes/profile?id=GRI674817

Brent Grimes is perfect for us and we can't wait to develop a player from the draft.

NJarhead
02-09-2011, 03:33 PM
Also, Fox and Gay get the Buh-Bye, but I'd give serious consideration to extending M. Moore as he is probably one of the best 3rd down backs in the NFL and highly underrated IMO. Maybe we could keep him cheap, but I like him coming out of the backfield when we have to have those 4-7 yards.

steelreserve
02-09-2011, 04:18 PM
In zone schemes, you'll often have a trail guy underneath which is why it may appear that Gay is always "three steps late".

Gay has had some good games this year. He was excellent against Buffalo and earned a lot of praise from Tomlin.

Regarding the Green Bay game, it definitely had more to do with scheme than players. No team beats a Cover 2 better than Green Bay.

No, the issue is not that Gay is doing his job and I just don't understand how the coverage works. The issue is that far too often, he really does make mistakes that take him out of the play. He has good games here and there ... but he's ALWAYS the guy getting picked on in this scheme, which tells me we either need an upgrade at the position or we need to stop using that scheme. Probably both.

I have no fucking idea why we still try to play the sit-back and think we can win. People have figured it out to the point where we just need better talent at CB, or the good teams will beat us because we don't match up well enough. Gay can cover the third receiver on the Bills. Not so much the Patriots or the Packers.

Chidi29
02-09-2011, 04:29 PM
No, the issue is not that Gay is doing his job and I just don't understand how the coverage works. The issue is that far too often, he really does make mistakes that take him out of the play. He has good games here and there ... but he's ALWAYS the guy getting picked on in this scheme, which tells me we either need an upgrade at the position or we need to stop using that scheme. Probably both.

I have no fucking idea why we still try to play the sit-back and think we can win. People have figured it out to the point where we just need better talent at CB, or the good teams will beat us because we don't match up well enough. Gay can cover the third receiver on the Bills. Not so much the Patriots or the Packers.

I think the number of passes thrown Gay's way is more of a testament to more and more teams having at least three competent WRs.

And in zone schemes, just because a player is in the general area of the receiver, doesn't mean he was man-ed on him and just lost site. I'm sure there were situationv where a receiver ends up in-between two defensive zones and Gay is just getting over when the ball is thrown.

And there have been times where we've put Gay in tough situations. Covering Owens in the slot against Cincy and the first TD to Nelson last week. One-on-one in man coverage with no safety help over the top and us showing man coverage.

solardave
02-09-2011, 04:31 PM
He don't know it that well, every chance he had to play, they had to dummy up the offense.
Wouldn't make a difference to me if we kept him or not.

You're right. See Kordell project for clarification. I thought he had all of Stewart's skills only smarter but I think he's the same guy.

SMR
02-09-2011, 04:36 PM
I WANT Asomugha!! There, I've said it! Flame me all you want.

tube517
02-09-2011, 04:58 PM
:flame:

:chuckle:



I WANT Asomugha!! There, I've said it! Flame me all you want.

NJarhead
02-09-2011, 05:01 PM
I WANT Asomugha!! There, I've said it! Flame me all you want.
lol, who wouldn't want him. But you know as well as I do that we don't go for the high priced FA.

7willBheaven
02-09-2011, 06:01 PM
Let William Gay walk, McFadden can play the nickle and we sign this guy: http://www.nfl.com/players/brentgrimes/profile?id=GRI674817

Brent Grimes is perfect for us and we can't wait to develop a player from the draft.

And how would you go about getting him when he's not a FA? I doubt they'd trade him away/etc...though i think he's an RFA i read...would depend how they tender him/etc.

NJarhead
02-09-2011, 06:27 PM
And how would you go about getting him when he's not a FA? I doubt they'd trade him away/etc...though i think he's an RFA i read...would depend how they tender him/etc.

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2011/fa/db.html


Not sure if undrafted players can be RFA's, but his contract is definitely up.

Chidi29
02-09-2011, 07:22 PM
http://www.footballsfuture.com/2011/fa/db.html


Not sure if undrafted players can be RFA's, but his contract is definitely up.

Rotoworld has him listed as a RFA. If that's the case, he's not going anywhere without us having to give up a 1st and 3rd tender.

NJarhead
02-09-2011, 07:28 PM
Rotoworld has him listed as a RFA. If that's the case, he's not going anywhere without us having to give up a 1st and 3rd tender.
Yep, so does NFL.com

Still, I can't see how he could cost us a first round pick. He was undrafted.

Chidi29
02-09-2011, 07:30 PM
Yep, so does NFL.com

Still, I can't see how he could cost us a first round pick. He was undrafted.

Doesn't matter. He's a restricted free agent. That means that Atlanta can tender him. Given the season he had, he'll likely get the highest tender possible which is a 1st/3rd.

NJarhead
02-09-2011, 07:35 PM
Doesn't matter. He's a restricted free agent. That means that Atlanta can tender him. Given the season he had, he'll likely get the highest tender possible which is a 1st/3rd.

Well, he might be worth it, but I agree that we would never go there.

haha, maybe the new CBA does away with that shit. ;-)

7willBheaven
02-09-2011, 08:03 PM
http://www.footballsfuture.com/2011/fa/db.html


Not sure if undrafted players can be RFA's, but his contract is definitely up.

As far as an RFA it only matters WHERE your drafted when it comes to compensation being given to a team letting that RFA sign with another team...some teams can tender a player and get the round he was taken in in return, some give low tenders and get nothing, some tender the highest and can get a 1st and 3rd (regardless of where the player was drafted).

A RFA is a player who has less than 4 years in the league (it went to 6 this past year with all this crazy CBA stuff). Even if that players contract expires with a team but hes only been in the league 3 years (going by how it was in the previous CBA) that team still has rights to that player and must tender them by a certain date or that player becomes a regular FA.

NJarhead
02-09-2011, 08:07 PM
As far as an RFA it only matters WHERE your drafted when it comes to compensation being given to a team letting that RFA sign with another team...some teams can tender a player and get the round he was taken in in return, some give low tenders and get nothing, some tender the highest and can get a 1st and 3rd (regardless of where the player was drafted).

A RFA is a player who has less than 4 years in the league (it went to 6 this past year with all this crazy CBA stuff). Even if that players contract expires with a team but hes only been in the league 3 years (going by how it was in the previous CBA) that team still has rights to that player and must tender them by a certain date or that player becomes a regular FA.

Interesting. Okay, he's undrafted and has 4 years in the league. Let's see what Atlanta wants to do.

XxKnightxX
02-09-2011, 09:28 PM
Haha i remember driving to Pittsburgh and seeing the sign for Grimes PA, and his name came up to my head right away, and then seeing that he went to Shippensburg was even more interesting. I think his tender probably went up from his contract and earning a starting spot.

tube517
02-10-2011, 12:06 AM
Wouldn't it be nice to just try a to get a legitimate 1st round CB, though?? I mean we all know the Rooneys/Colbert/Tomlin etc build through the draft, don't spend on "high priced" free agents and try to get the best players for their system. We haven't had a real influx of talent in the secondary since the mid 2000's. Yet, we've gotten a 1st rounder in every other area since 2004. QB 2004, RB 2008, WR 2006, TE 2005, OL 2010, DL 2009 LB 2007.

We can only dream......





I really like Gay in the nickel. He's done a great job there. He's good enough in zone coverage and is a really solid tackler. He's still growing and maturing and will only continue to get better.

I think some of you guys expect us to have a field of all-stars at CB. Our scheme doesn't even ask for it.

Chidi29
02-10-2011, 05:50 AM
Wouldn't it be nice to just try a to get a legitimate 1st round CB, though?? I mean we all know the Rooneys/Colbert/Tomlin etc build through the draft, don't spend on "high priced" free agents and try to get the best players for their system. We haven't had a real influx of talent in the secondary since the mid 2000's. Yet, we've gotten a 1st rounder in every other area since 2004. QB 2004, RB 2008, WR 2006, TE 2005, OL 2010, DL 2009 LB 2007.

We can only dream......

We just don't ask our corners to be ballhawks. 1st round corners are the 4.4 ballhawks. Not the zone guys who are solid tacklers.

Fun fact. We've taken just two CBs in the 1st round since 1979.

7willBheaven
02-10-2011, 04:51 PM
Interesting. Okay, he's undrafted and has 4 years in the league. Let's see what Atlanta wants to do.

And keep in mind who knows what the new CBA will state as far as how to handle RFA's and required years/etc...because as of now he'd have to have 6 years in the league to be a FA. Will the new CBA go back to 4 or what...who knows...haha.