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Borski
01-19-2011, 10:10 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/14572100/faceoff-best-defender-big-bens-place-martzcapers

PRISCO: I still think Tom Brady and Peyton Manning are the two best playing right now. But Roethlisberger will be in the conversation as the third best quarterback in the league. As far as where he goes on the all-time list, that's hard to say. He will certainly be inching toward the top 15. As far as clutch quarterbacks, he's up there now already. It's hard to really gauge Roethlisberger because he's played on teams with such great defenses. He isn't asked to do as much as some other quarterbacks. But his ability to make plays in the fourth quarters of big games, especially postseason games, helps separate him from some of the others. I won't put him in the Brady-Manning class if he wins, but you have to consider him for the third spot if he gets his third ring. In a couple of years, if he gets a fourth ring, who knows? I see him a lot like Terry Bradshaw, a very good quarterback on good teams.


Ouch, lack of respect.

salamander
01-19-2011, 10:15 PM
He isn't asked to do as much as some other quarterbacks.

Oh really? :der:

The Duke
01-19-2011, 10:18 PM
He isn't asked to do as much as some other quarterbacks.

Are other quarterbacks asked to take defenders off their back and make them look silly?

I'm willing to bet Ben's not asked to do it either, but he does it anyway. Cause he's a winner. And he never complains about anything, unlike...well, at this point it's obvious

tube517
01-19-2011, 10:21 PM
Who the hell are these 2 clowns? Never heard of them.


Next.

:ranger:

fansince'76
01-19-2011, 10:37 PM
Bear in mind that Prisco is also the same mouth breather that claims Polamalu is "overrated":


Pittsburgh Steelers Overrated: S Troy Polamalu (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/396174/troypolamalu). Yes, he has been hurt. But that helps bring down his rating. Even when he has been on the field, he hasn't been as good as his reputation.http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/13447444/overratedunderrated-extending-a-branch-to-a-raider-and-jacobs-no-giant

Besides that gem, Prisco has a fairly long and illustrious history of proving himself to be a blithering idiot.

O'Malley
01-19-2011, 11:02 PM
Why is Manning thought so highly of? He for the most part is a choke artist in the playoffs!

fansince'76
01-19-2011, 11:07 PM
Why is Manning thought so highly of? He for the most part is a choke artist in the playoffs!

Brady hasn't done much in the postseason to brag about lately either.

salamander
01-19-2011, 11:10 PM
Brady hasn't done much in the postseason to brag about lately either.

Amazing how things change when you can't cheat.

Borski
01-19-2011, 11:12 PM
Playoff Record by Winning %

A couple of random active QB's

Ben Roethlisberger 9-2 .818
Tom Brady 14-5 .737
Eli Manning 4-3 .571
Donovan McNabb 9-7 .563
Peyton Manning 9-10 .474

Galax Steeler
01-20-2011, 03:29 AM
What douche bags they are same as usual no respect.

stillers4me
01-20-2011, 04:45 AM
He isn't asked to do as much as some other quarterbacks.


Like what?? Do commercials?

That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

HometownGal
01-20-2011, 07:13 AM
Prisco is a moron, always has been, always will be. I don't pay attention to anything that spews from that sewer he calls a mouth.

Other than his mouth being firmly around Ass Chin's schlong, Judge got it right . . .


JUDGE: Neck and neck with Peyton Manning for the second spot in his generation. Manning is a future Hall of Famer. So is Roethlisberger. But both are chasing Tom Brady, and I put Brady in my top five or six of all time. I have Manning in the next tier, with Roethlisberger waiting on a third Super Bowl. What I love about Roethlisberger is his ability to win big games, with his 9-2 playoff record and two Super Bowl victories the evidence. I don't argue that he does as much with his offense as Manning because he doesn't. I don't argue that he's as accurate or as consistent as Brady, either, because he's not. But Manning has one Super Bowl win. Brady has three. With three rings, Roethlisberger soars into rarified air, and I don't care that he's surrounded by one of the game's best defenses and one of the best defensive coaches ever. He still has to win big games. And he has.



To both Prisco and Judge - where is Fairy Tom watching the AFCC this weekend - hmmmmmmmm? :jerkit:

Just George
01-20-2011, 07:31 AM
Why is Manning thought so highly of? He for the most part is a choke artist in the playoffs!

Peyton Manning is an American football (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_football) quarterback (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarterback) for the Indianapolis Colts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indianapolis_Colts) of the National Football League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League) (NFL). Manning holds the record for most NFL MVP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_MVP) awards with four.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peyton_Manning#cite_note-4_MVP-0) He was drafted by the Colts as the first overall pick in 1998 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_NFL_Draft)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peyton_Manning#cite_note-draft-1) after a standout college football (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_football) career with the Tennessee Volunteers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Volunteers_football). He is the son of former NFL quarterback Archie Manning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archie_Manning) and the older brother of current New York Giants (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Giants) quarterback Eli Manning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_Manning).

Manning holds NFL records for consecutive seasons with over 4,000 yards passing and the most total seasons with 4,000 or more yards passing in a career.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peyton_Manning#cite_note-YDSleader-2)[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peyton_Manning#cite_note-titans2k7home-3) Manning holds the sixth highest career passer rating (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passer_rating) (94.9) in NFL history and the highest single-season passer rating (121.1 in 2004). He is the all-time Colts franchise leader in career wins, career passing yards, pass attempts, pass completions, and passing touchdowns.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peyton_Manning#cite_note-unitas-4)

In 2009, he was listed by The Sporting News (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sporting_News) as the No. 1 player in the NFL today.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peyton_Manning#cite_note-5) Also in 2009, Fox Sports (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_Sports_(USA)) named him player of the decade.

Since the Colts drafted Manning in 1998, the team has the highest conversion rate on 3rd down (44.6%) and 4th down (61.1%) plays in the NFL. While leading the Colts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Indianapolis_Colts_season) to their Super Bowl XLI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XLI) victory in 2007 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_NFL_season), Manning helped the team to an NFL record by converting 56.1% of its 3rd downs.[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peyton_Manning#cite_note-6)

In 2010, he was named the eighth best player in NFL history, according to the NFL's top 100 show, and is the only active player in the top 10 category.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peyton_Manning

Now I like Ben, ALOT, but honestly don't be haters about how great Peyton is. YES he chokes in the post season, but he is NOT overhyped by the media. His numbers are amazing, he does it all with (honestly) a poor defense. The Colts win because Peyton puts them in a position to win. I think Ben needs to get a lot more respect (look at some of my other post) He is one of the all time greats, but just because some other idiots want to constantly disrespect Ben, not look at his accomplishemnts or give him the respect he deserves doesn't mean that you all should be as idiotic by not being able to put away your anger and honestly admit Manning is also one of the best, just my opinion.

HometownGal
01-20-2011, 07:55 AM
Peyton Manning is an American football (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_football) quarterback (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarterback) for the Indianapolis Colts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indianapolis_Colts) of the National Football League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League) (NFL). Manning holds the record for most NFL MVP (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_MVP) awards with four.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peyton_Manning#cite_note-4_MVP-0) He was drafted by the Colts as the first overall pick in 1998 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_NFL_Draft)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peyton_Manning#cite_note-draft-1) after a standout college football (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_football) career with the Tennessee Volunteers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Volunteers_football). He is the son of former NFL quarterback Archie Manning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archie_Manning) and the older brother of current New York Giants (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Giants) quarterback Eli Manning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_Manning).

Manning holds NFL records for consecutive seasons with over 4,000 yards passing and the most total seasons with 4,000 or more yards passing in a career.[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peyton_Manning#cite_note-YDSleader-2)[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peyton_Manning#cite_note-titans2k7home-3) Manning holds the sixth highest career passer rating (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passer_rating) (94.9) in NFL history and the highest single-season passer rating (121.1 in 2004). He is the all-time Colts franchise leader in career wins, career passing yards, pass attempts, pass completions, and passing touchdowns.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peyton_Manning#cite_note-unitas-4)

In 2009, he was listed by The Sporting News (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sporting_News) as the No. 1 player in the NFL today.[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peyton_Manning#cite_note-5) Also in 2009, Fox Sports (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_Sports_(USA)) named him player of the decade.

Since the Colts drafted Manning in 1998, the team has the highest conversion rate on 3rd down (44.6%) and 4th down (61.1%) plays in the NFL. While leading the Colts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Indianapolis_Colts_season) to their Super Bowl XLI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XLI) victory in 2007 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_NFL_season), Manning helped the team to an NFL record by converting 56.1% of its 3rd downs.[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peyton_Manning#cite_note-6)

In 2010, he was named the eighth best player in NFL history, according to the NFL's top 100 show, and is the only active player in the top 10 category.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peyton_Manning

Now I like Ben, ALOT, but honestly don't be haters about how great Peyton is. YES he chokes in the post season, but he is NOT overhyped by the media. His numbers are amazing, he does it all with (honestly) a poor defense. The Colts win because Peyton puts them in a position to win. I think Ben needs to get a lot more respect (look at some of my other post) He is one of the all time greats, but just because some other idiots want to constantly disrespect Ben, not look at his accomplishemnts or give him the respect he deserves doesn't mean that you all should be as idiotic by not being able to put away your anger and honestly admit Manning is also one of the best, just my opinion.

I'll be the first to say that Peytoon is most definitely one of the best QB's out there - Top 3 along with Ass Chin and Ben. :thumbsup: However - what separates him from Ben is that for most of his career, Peytoon had the privilege of playing behind a good OL, unlike Ben. This is not meant to disrespect Peytoon, but if you took him and put him behind this season's (and last season's) OL, I can almost guarantee you he wouldn't have the same degree of success. This season, Ben has played behind probably the worst OL not only in his career, but most likely in Steelers history, and he still flourished and prospered because of his ability to duke defensive players and make huge plays while either on the run or amazingly - in a defender's grasp. Imho - Ben is a combo of Elway and the late McNair - playmaker who is as tough as nails.

lamont_jordan_rules
01-20-2011, 07:59 AM
Originally Posted by fansince'76

Brady hasn't done much in the postseason to brag about lately either.




Amazing how things change when you can't cheat.



... hahahahahahahaa ... amen! +1 ...





l_j_r

Just George
01-20-2011, 08:07 AM
I'll be the first to say that Peytoon is most definitely one of the best QB's out there - Top 3 along with Ass Chin and Ben. :thumbsup: However - what separates him from Ben is that for most of his career, Peytoon had the privilege of playing behind a good OL, unlike Ben. This is not meant to disrespect Peytoon, but if you took him and put him behind this season's (and last season's) OL, I can almost guarantee you he wouldn't have the same degree of success. This season, Ben has played behind probably the worst OL not only in his career, but most likely in Steelers history, and he still flourished and prospered because of his ability to duke defensive players and make huge plays while either on the run or amazingly - in a defender's grasp. Imho - Ben is a combo of Elway and the late McNair - playmaker who is as tough as nails.

I never want to give the impression that I don't respect Ben, whom I affectionately call SUPERMAN, he is tough, powerful and as fun for me to watch as Peyton for entirely different reasons. I love seeing him shake off defender after defender or manage to get a pass off with someone "HANGING" off of him. I wish my guy could hold it together in the post season, but I just get tired of people trying to imply that limited success in the championships mean he is not an elite qb, just like honestly in my opinion Ben does not need to win another ring to "legitimize" him as one of the elite He has alread proved that time and time again.

43Hitman
01-20-2011, 08:08 AM
I'll be the first to say that Peytoon is most definitely one of the best QB's out there - Top 3 along with Ass Chin and Ben. :thumbsup: However - what separates him from Ben is that for most of his career, Peytoon had the privilege of playing behind a good OL, unlike Ben. This is not meant to disrespect Peytoon, but if you took him and put him behind this season's (and last season's) OL, I can almost guarantee you he wouldn't have the same degree of success. This season, Ben has played behind probably the worst OL not only in his career, but most likely in Steelers history, and he still flourished and prospered because of his ability to duke defensive players and make huge plays while either on the run or amazingly - in a defender's grasp. Imho - Ben is a combo of Elway and the late McNair - playmaker who is as tough as nails.

I bet we could make an argument that our O-line is the worst in the NFL this year, except for maybe Carolina. I can't think of one in worse shape. Besides Pouncey is there another starter on that line for that could play for any of these playoffs teams and start?

Dino 6 Rings
01-20-2011, 11:38 AM
Manning is Marino + 1 Ring

Ben is making his own path. Not going to set all time records for yards or tds, but is on target for being a Solid Ring Collector.

and in the end...if Montana or Bradshaw don't win 4 Rings each...numbers wise...they weren't the "greatest" fantasy players.

Rings Bittches! Its all About the RINGS!

Just George
01-20-2011, 12:30 PM
Manning is Marino + 1 Ring

Ben is making his own path. Not going to set all time records for yards or tds, but is on target for being a Solid Ring Collector.

and in the end...if Montana or Bradshaw don't win 4 Rings each...numbers wise...they weren't the "greatest" fantasy players.

Rings Bittches! Its all About the RINGS!

aint gonna lie, we could use a couple more rings :), but I will always say looking at everything in the game, peyton is a great QB, just like I don't care if Ben ever gets the numbers for most yards, pass completion, qb rating etc, HE is great. Ben is the best at what HE does.
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O'Malley
01-20-2011, 12:38 PM
I never want to give the impression that I don't respect Ben, whom I affectionately call SUPERMAN, he is tough, powerful and as fun for me to watch as Peyton for entirely different reasons. I love seeing him shake off defender after defender or manage to get a pass off with someone "HANGING" off of him. I wish my guy could hold it together in the post season, but I just get tired of people trying to imply that limited success in the championships mean he is not an elite qb, just like honestly in my opinion Ben does not need to win another ring to "legitimize" him as one of the elite He has alread proved that time and time again.

Stats are for fantasy football. 4,000 yard seasons don't mean dick if you don't get a ring. Otherwise they would tally up the stats at the end of the season and decide a winner from the stats. Not taking anything away from Manning but he is IMO a choke artist. My level of disgust towards him and the Colts for keeping the Steelers out of the playoffs last season and then choking against the Aints is unforgivable. That and he is a statue that you can't touch or it's a penalty. Don't get me wrong the guy can read a D like nobodies buisness but he is a shadow of his former self. His career is winding down and his arm is not what it used to be. Elite, depends on how you judge elite. If it's stats and stats alone then sure he is elite. If it's winning the big games then he is average. Below .500 in the playoffs.

Just George
01-20-2011, 01:27 PM
Stats are for fantasy football. 4,000 yard seasons don't mean dick if you don't get a ring. Otherwise they would tally up the stats at the end of the season and decide a winner from the stats. Not taking anything away from Manning but he is IMO a choke artist. My level of disgust towards him and the Colts for keeping the Steelers out of the playoffs last season and then choking against the Aints is unforgivable. That and he is a statue that you can't touch or it's a penalty. Don't get me wrong the guy can read a D like nobodies buisness but he is a shadow of his former self. His career is winding down and his arm is not what it used to be. Elite, depends on how you judge elite. If it's stats and stats alone then sure he is elite. If it's winning the big games then he is average. Below .500 in the playoffs.

I get what your saying, but I get so tired of hearing the ONLY thing that counts is the BIG GAME. a career spans many years with many different accomplishments. And no offense but if it were true that stats dont matter stop worrying about how many sacks or interceptions someone got, don't keep track of anything at all EXCEPT win/loss in the playoffs everything else gets shredded. THAT is an arguement that just doesn't hold water. The ring is the most important thing, yes, and no one can deny that the Steelers do it better than anyone else, but rings are not the only measure of a great qb or team.

As always only my opinion, it just happens to be the right one :)

O'Malley
01-20-2011, 01:32 PM
I get what your saying, but I get so tired of hearing the ONLY thing that counts is the BIG GAME. a career spans many years with many different accomplishments. And no offense but if it were true that stats dont matter stop worrying about how many sacks or interceptions someone got, don't keep track of anything at all EXCEPT win/loss in the playoffs everything else gets shredded. THAT is an arguement that just doesn't hold water. The ring is the most important thing, yes, and no one can deny that the Steelers do it better than anyone else, but rings are not the only measure of a great qb or team.

As always only my opinion, it just happens to be the right one :)

I also bet you play fantasy football! Everyone has their own opinion but it doesn't make the right!

Butch
01-20-2011, 01:34 PM
Stats are for fantasy football. 4,000 yard seasons don't mean dick if you don't get a ring. Otherwise they would tally up the stats at the end of the season and decide a winner from the stats. Not taking anything away from Manning but he is IMO a choke artist. My level of disgust towards him and the Colts for keeping the Steelers out of the playoffs last season and then choking against the Aints is unforgivable. That and he is a statue that you can't touch or it's a penalty. Don't get me wrong the guy can read a D like nobodies buisness but he is a shadow of his former self. His career is winding down and his arm is not what it used to be. Elite, depends on how you judge elite. If it's stats and stats alone then sure he is elite. If it's winning the big games then he is average. Below .500 in the playoffs.

Gotta agree with ya' O'Malley!!! As the emperor would say "Stats are for losers" I'll take a winner minus the stats any day.

The argument I heard the other day from a jets fan is Ben has a Great D. Funny but that Great D (and it is GREAT) let up late in XLIII yet Ben drove the ball 80+ yards for the game winner. Tommy Gun had the same D and couldn't get it done.

Peyton and tom are rhythm qb's, you throw off their timing and they pretty much suck. Ben has something very unique he can stretch a play like no other!!! If he gets in a rhythm watch out, but if he's not you still can't relax because he's still dangerous.

As someone pointed out peyton and tom go down and live to see another down, Ben fights tooth and nail to get everything he can out of a play. peyton once said there's no contest to see how long you can hold onto the ball (a slap at Ben no doubt), but peyton while there is no contest sometimes it can make for a big play that demoralizes the other team not only on D but on O as well.

Stick by your QB because that's what fans do but I aint even jealous of what anybody else has what we have is unique and that's what the Steelers are all about!!!

O'Malley
01-20-2011, 01:38 PM
Gotta agree with ya' O'Malley!!! As the emperor would say "Stats are for losers" I'll take a winner minus the stats any day.

The argument I heard the other day from a jets fan is Ben has a Great D. Funny but that Great D (and it is GREAT) let up late in XLIII yet Ben drove the ball 80+ yards for the game winner. Tommy Gun had the same D and couldn't get it done.

Peyton and tom are rhythm qb's, you throw off their timing and they pretty much suck. Ben has something very unique he can stretch a play like no other!!! If he gets in a rhythm watch out, but if he's not you still can't relax because he's still dangerous.

As someone pointed out peyton and tom go down and live to see another down, Ben fights tooth and nail to get everything he can out of a play. peyton once said there's no contest to see how long you can hold onto the ball (a slap at Ben no doubt), but peyton while there is no contest sometimes it can make for a big play that demoralizes the other team not only on D but on O as well.

Stick by your QB because that's what fans do but I aint even jealous of what anybody else has what we have is unique and that's what the Steelers are all about!!!

Amen to that Butch!

Butch
01-20-2011, 01:47 PM
I get what your saying, but I get so tired of hearing the ONLY thing that counts is the BIG GAME. a career spans many years with many different accomplishments. And no offense but if it were true that stats dont matter stop worrying about how many sacks or interceptions someone got, don't keep track of anything at all EXCEPT win/loss in the playoffs everything else gets shredded. THAT is an arguement that just doesn't hold water. The ring is the most important thing, yes, and no one can deny that the Steelers do it better than anyone else, but rings are not the only measure of a great qb or team.

As always only my opinion, it just happens to be the right one :)

The Greatest Steeler D of all time did not win a Superbowl. Any Steeler fan from the 70's will tell you so because in '76 we had the best D of any D to play the game!!! Thing is they won 4 of 'em when they weren't as dominant.

peyton won once, and I can't help but wonder how many more he coulda won if the cheats weren't cheating but that is for another day.

I have to agree with O'Malley on this point if you are truely a winner then you go out and Win. Last year the colts laid down (not Manning but the owner and the coach) this is so they would not have to face us. They LAID DOWN and look where it got them!!! Perfect season on the line a chance at immortallity. The colts lay down every year at the end of the year resting their starters and look at how it all turns out for them.

Also peyton is famous for throwing the blame around but until recently has never shouldered it himself. Ben will not only take the blame when we lose, he credits his line when we win never taking it for himself. This is why I am such a Ben fan...he gets it!!! He is a leader and a winner.

Just George
01-20-2011, 01:52 PM
I also bet you play fantasy football! Everyone has their own opinion but it doesn't make the right!

have never played FF not even once and I guess the fact that stats have been kept forever, BY the league, the teams, commentators, analyst and fans mean that they are pointless? C'mon this argument shows your ignorance or bias. Not saying this to be provacative or to be disagreeable, but really.

edit: and the players keep and hype their own stats too, but really they don't count.

Just George
01-20-2011, 01:56 PM
Gotta agree with ya' O'Malley!!! As the emperor would say "Stats are for losers" I'll take a winner minus the stats any day.

The argument I heard the other day from a jets fan is Ben has a Great D. Funny but that Great D (and it is GREAT) let up late in XLIII yet Ben drove the ball 80+ yards for the game winner. Tommy Gun had the same D and couldn't get it done.

Peyton and tom are rhythm qb's, you throw off their timing and they pretty much suck. Ben has something very unique he can stretch a play like no other!!! If he gets in a rhythm watch out, but if he's not you still can't relax because he's still dangerous.

As someone pointed out peyton and tom go down and live to see another down, Ben fights tooth and nail to get everything he can out of a play. peyton once said there's no contest to see how long you can hold onto the ball (a slap at Ben no doubt), but peyton while there is no contest sometimes it can make for a big play that demoralizes the other team not only on D but on O as well.

Stick by your QB because that's what fans do but I aint even jealous of what anybody else has what we have is unique and that's what the Steelers are all about!!!

absolutely that is why Ben is one of the greats. He is alot of fun to just watch. I swear I have seen other teams D-players hitting him with sticks, rocks and a sink once and he still pushed, shoved and hustled his way out for a play. I got nothing against Ben :)

Just George
01-20-2011, 01:59 PM
The Greatest Steeler D of all time did not win a Superbowl. Any Steeler fan from the 70's will tell you so because in '76 we had the best D of any D to play the game!!! Thing is they won 4 of 'em when they weren't as dominant.

peyton won once, and I can't help but wonder how many more he coulda won if the cheats weren't cheating but that is for another day.

I have to agree with O'Malley on this point if you are truely a winner then you go out and Win. Last year the colts laid down (not Manning but the owner and the coach) this is so they would not have to face us. They LAID DOWN and look where it got them!!! Perfect season on the line a chance at immortallity. The colts lay down every year at the end of the year resting their starters and look at how it all turns out for them.

Also peyton is famous for throwing the blame around but until recently has never shouldered it himself. Ben will not only take the blame when we lose, he credits his line when we win never taking it for himself. This is why I am such a Ben fan...he gets it!!! He is a leader and a winner.

cant deny it, this is a sticking point with alot of us fans. BUT the Orginization thinks it is important to keep people healthy and rested. Alot of the players have made comments about really wanting to stay in regardless of what our record is, not for the perfect season but because they are here to play.

polamalubeast
01-20-2011, 02:24 PM
HY7 wrote

lol

Brady, Manning, Brees, Rivers, Rodgers are all in the tier above Big Ben. Apart from this forum, no educated NFL coach or executive would take Big Ben over any of those 5 (unless factoring in age).

He is probably 6th, but Romo is pretty close.


....

JDKing14 wrote

I know that most think that you need a great quarterback to win super bowls but with Troy making that defense so spectacular I almost don't think Ben is essential. He's a great QB and certainly makes it easier but that defense could win a SB with "game-manager" quarterbacks like Brad Johnson and average guys like Trent Dilfer and Eli Manning.

http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=432731&start=15

KingofSTATS wrote

Winning a SB or playoff games have alot to do with numerous variables outside of 1 player. Pit beat the Jets in 04, Ben played bad. They beat Seattle in 05, Ben played bad. They beat Balt in 08 and Ben didn't really play that good. The game was won on a Troy pick 6. So just looking at the surface you ignore the real details. Just like yesterday, with out the defense getting Pit's offense the ball 2 or 3 times inside BALT's 25 yd line, Pit likely losses by 2 scores.

http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=429727&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=255

HometownGal
01-20-2011, 06:13 PM
Besides Pouncey is there another starter on that line for that could play for any of these playoffs teams and start?

Probably not, Pete, but I think The Hotel has played admirably most of the season in replacement of Colon. He's taken a few dodo penalties but overall I think he's played pretty well.

fansince'76
01-20-2011, 06:23 PM
cant deny it, this is a sticking point with alot of us fans. BUT the Orginization thinks it is important to keep people healthy and rested.

Especially Manning - if he goes down, the Colts are pretty much screwed. Besides, going 16-0 didn't do much for the Pats, did it?

86WARD
01-20-2011, 08:00 PM
Manning is a better pure passer than ROethlisberger plain and simple. Mannings offense also allows him to post ridiculous numbers for the most part year after year.

Ben is the second winningest QB in playoff history. I'll take that shit over Manning's talent and stats any day...lol.

But think about it...Steelers fans don't really want "their guy" talked about all the time like that. They want the hard work and the results...I'm not complaining.

Roethlisberger is arguably a Top 3-4 QB in the league...Easily Top 5...

BigNastyDefense
01-21-2011, 10:14 AM
Peyton Manning is a great regular season QB, but when it comes to the postseason he fails.

In the postseason you don't get to beat up on teams like bottom feeder teams. You face defenses that are normally pretty damn good and the best in the league (Jets, Steelers, Ravens to name a few).

Manning hasn't been able to get it done in the playoffs nearly as much as you'd expect a great QB of his stature to. It didn't help that he plays in the stacked AFC. The same AFC where the Steelers have won two Super Bowls and the Patriots three Super Bowls since 2001.

And Manning's Super Bowl MVP should have gone to his running backs.

steel striker
01-21-2011, 02:51 PM
We all know that Prisco is a steel hater and, maybe Ben won't have those off the chart passing numbers. Ben is the the guy I want with the ball with the game on the line. He is clutch and clutch is everything. I know alot of the outside media types don't like to talk how Ben has improved on his accuracy in his passes. Has Brady thrown a TD pass to win a super bowl? No he has not! That's not a knock on Marsha but it is the truth. Ben is a winner.

ALLD
01-21-2011, 03:20 PM
I believe if we continue on defense the way we have been playing and get Ben the best OL in the NFL, then he will be considered the best QB to ever play. Give him time to throw and watch how the game used to be played in the 1970s & 80s.

BigNastyDefense
01-21-2011, 05:00 PM
Here is how I look at it:

Put Tom Brady or Peyton Manning on this year's (last year's or 2008's) Steelers teams, and the Steelers probably don't finish any better than 8-8, and lucky to finish at that.

When you hit those two quarterbacks, they lose confidence. In their offensive line, and in themselves.

When you hit Ben Roethlisberger, you piss him off. It makes him want to make the play even more, just to rub it in. Defenders don't get in his head, he gets in theirs.

Put Ben Roethlisberger on those Patriots and Colts teams, and they likely win the Super Bowl.

When they finally get a good offensive line in front of Ben, watch him become even better than he is now.

He's a future Hall of Famer and deserves to be considered at least the third best QB in the NFL, if not top two.