Red State Socialism

[JonM229]

http://democraticactionteam.org/redstatesocialism/red-state-socialism.jpg

I sure hate me some freeloading red states

[GoSlash27]

Perhaps you're not understanding the concept of "socialism".
See.. when you tax your citizens in order to give their money to someone else, that's what we refer to as "wealth redistribution". So all this really does is reinforce the point. 14 out of the 18 States that voted primarily Dem butt-raped their residents and gave their money to other States. This is a surprise to nobody.
/ living in Iowa
// we voted Obama last cycle

[st33lersguy]

Perhaps you're not understanding the concept of "socialism".
See.. when you tax your citizens in order to give their money to someone else, that's what we refer to as "wealth redistribution". So all this really does is reinforce the point. 14 out of the 18 States that voted primarily Dem butt-raped their residents and gave their money to other States. This is a surprise to nobody.
/ living in Iowa
// we voted Obama last cycle

That can technically be refered to as stealing

[X-Terminator]

That chart is so misleading. All that means is that the blue states pay more in federal taxes than they take in, meaning that the residents aren't getting shit in return for all the money they send to Washington...while the red states are getting more bang for their buck by actually getting back a lot of the money they send to Washington. Living in one of those blue states, we now have a major transportation funding shortage thanks in large part to Uncle Sam. And guess what may end up happening as a result, unless Corbett resists the urge? The people are going to end up paying for it through higher taxes and fees. But of course, anything to make Republicans look bad, right Jon?

[LLT]

Hmmmm...here are some more numbers to play with:

Top Ten States In Regards to Tax Burden

1) Maine..............Democrat
2) New York ........Democrat
3) Ohio................Republican
4) Minnesota........Democrat
5) Hawaii ............Democrat
6) Nebraska..........Republican
7) Wisconsin ........Democrat
8) Rhode Island ....Democrat
9) Connecticut .....Democrat
10) Vermont.........Democrat

Thats 80% Democrat.

http://www.e50plus.com/public/203.cfm


Top Ten States with Financial Problems

1) California..........Democrat
2) Illinois..............Democrat
3) Arizona............Republican
4) Nevada............Republican
5) New Jersey.......Democrat
6) Wisconsin.........Democrat
7) Florida.............Republican
8) Rhode Island.....Democrat
9) Oregon............Democrat
10) Michigan........Democrat

Thats 70% Democrat.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/11/11/news/economy/states_economies/


Hate me some financially-incompetant Blue States

[JonM229]

But of course, anything to make Republicans look bad, right Jon?

I don't make the charts, I just show them

[LLT]

I don't make the charts, I just show them

Yeah.....me too.

:lol:

[Delraich]

All I had to do is look and see California as one of the giving states to know this post was misleading. If that financial train wreck is what you want the red states to copy then I just don't know what to say.

[LLT]

All I had to do is look and see California as one of the giving states to know this post was misleading. If that financial train wreck is what you want the red states to copy then I just don't know what to say.

Delraich...you are exactly (nice avatar) correct in...uh...saying that (nice avatar)...states like Cali...uh...fornia...(nice avatar) are...uh............I forgot my point.

(nice avatar)

[Mach1]

http://frontpage.americandaughter.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/change-to-socialism.jpg

[Godfather]

That chart is so misleading. All that means is that the blue states pay more in federal taxes than they take in, meaning that the residents aren't getting shit in return for all the money they send to Washington...while the red states are getting more bang for their buck by actually getting back a lot of the money they send to Washington. Living in one of those blue states, we now have a major transportation funding shortage thanks in large part to Uncle Sam. And guess what may end up happening as a result, unless Corbett resists the urge? The people are going to end up paying for it through higher taxes and fees. But of course, anything to make Republicans look bad, right Jon?

What's even more intellectually dishonest about it is this is 2010 and the libs are still using 2005 as their talking point...I wonder why that is? Oh, maybe it's because there was a lot of one-time spending that year in the Gulf Coast states, which inflates their numbers.

[Godfather]

Reason #2 it's intellectually dishonest: Spending is done by Congress. So the color code should match the congressional delegation, not how they voted in the Giant Douche-Turd Sandwich presidential election.

[7SteelGal43]

And in other news, Obama loves America. :jerkit:










BOHICA :bananadoggywow:

[GBMelBlount]

[QUOTE=JonM229;96995]http://democraticactionteam.org/redstatesocialism/red-state-socialism.jpg

My only question is....is that all you got?

Is that the best you can do friend?

Seriously, do you have anything else to rest your hat on as a liberal?

Principles, platform, etc. We are all ears friend....

[steelpinstripe87]

Top Ten States with Financial Problems

1) California..........Democrat
2) Illinois..............Democrat
3) Arizona............Republican
4) Nevada............Republican
5) New Jersey.......Democrat
6) Wisconsin.........Democrat
7) Florida.............Republican
8) Rhode Island.....Democrat
9) Oregon............Democrat
10) Michigan........Democrat

Thats 70% Democrat.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/11/11/news/economy/states_economies/


Hate me some financially-incompetant Blue States

LLT, I'm shocked that New York's not in the top ten on the list of states with financial problems. Albany's a ginormous mess right now, and the rest of us in New York are paying for it in spades.

[GoSlash27]

I don't think this thread went quite the way our resident Raven fan expected.

[Mach1]

And in other news, Obama loves America. :jerkit:







BOHICA :bananadoggywow:

All 57 states.

[Count Steeler]

To only use 1 chart to draw any conclusions is intellectual suicide. There are so many other factors at play, besides voting patterns, to break down spending patterns. The first problem with this method is to prove cause and effect. There are so many of these "lies" floating around. For example, there used to be a cause and effect stated thusly: If an original NFL team wins the Super Bowl, the stock market will have a positive year.

Looking at a small sample database and trying to extrapolate it out to draw meaningful conclusions is poor statistical analysis.

[Wallace108]

I can't figure out why swing states, including my home state of Ohio, are listed as Republican. :huh: Since we have a Democrat governor and went with Obama, shouldn't we be blue? :noidea:

Why do I think this chart is constructed in a way to try to prove a certain point? :scratchchin:

[GBMelBlount]

To only use 1 chart to draw any conclusions is intellectual suicide. There are so many other factors at play, besides voting patterns, to break down spending patterns. The first problem with this method is to prove cause and effect. There are so many of these "lies" floating around. For example, there used to be a cause and effect stated thusly: If an original NFL team wins the Super Bowl, the stock market will have a positive year.

Looking at a small sample database and trying to extrapolate it out to draw meaningful conclusions is poor statistical analysis.

Exactly! This is just a mere correlation with a "time slice" of information.

For instance, for my joint major senior thesis in college I chose the topic "Major Stock Market Trend Forecasting Using Artificial Intelligence."

I used 10 variables that were fairly positive (leading) correlational indicators of the major stock market trends. Then I increased (or decreased) the weight of each variable generating the aggregate "buy / sell" signal as each variable feel in and out of favor as a leading indicator. This was with over 20 years of time series data, NOT a time slice and I used financial variables that were considered causal factors.

Now the one variable I did NOT use was the length of womens skirts! It is well known that during bull markets the length of women's skirts is generally shorter. THAT is simply a CORRELATION AND NOT A CAUSAL FACTOR.

Though admittedly, I did ask my faculty advisor if I could do separate up-close study focusing on the length of women's mini skirts. :)

[Godfather]

I can't figure out why swing states, including my home state of Ohio, are listed as Republican. :huh: Since we have a Democrat governor and went with Obama, shouldn't we be blue? :noidea:

Why do I think this chart is constructed in a way to try to prove a certain point? :scratchchin:

The chart was from 2005, and the red/blue was based solely on the 2004 Presidential election. Seems there would have been plenty of time to get current data but for some reason we didn't see it...hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Another flaw in the chart is it doesn't account for wide discrepancies in natural resource royalties. For example, Louisiana gets only a tiny fraction of offshore royalties and only a very small area off its coast. Texas gets a much bigger share and a much bigger area. And inland states get 100%. But that's technically not taxing and spending so it doesn't show up...the blue states are definitely benefiting from that 'socialism' because they don't have to pay the costs for energy production but they do get to enjoy the benefits.

[Godfather]

Now the one variable I did NOT use was the length of womens skirts! It is well known that during bull markets the length of women's skirts is generally shorter. THAT is simply a CORRELATION AND NOT A CAUSAL FACTOR.


Well, there is a causal factor--the better economic times cause hemlines to rise. It was stronger in the past, but women couldn't afford new stockings as often in lean times so they'd wear old, worn out stockings and long skirts to cover them.

[GBMelBlount]

Well, there is a causal factor--the better economic times cause hemlines to rise. It was stronger in the past, but women couldn't afford new stockings as often in lean times so they'd wear old, worn out stockings and long skirts to cover them.

Absolutely!.....but it is a reverse relationship and not a leading indicator....or perhaps they're so doggone happy their investments are appreciating they want to show a little more leg! lol.

[Wallace108]

The chart was from 2005, and the red/blue was based solely on the 2004 Presidential election.

:lol:
I probably would have noticed that if I had actually read it. I just looked at the title and then the states. That's about how much I cared. :coffee:

I try to ignore Jon's liberal propaganda. :chuckle:

[LLT]

:lol:
I probably would have noticed that if I had actually read it. I just looked at the title and then the states. That's about how much I cared. :coffee:

Yet you make a good point....Ohio and Nevada could both now be labeled "blue states".

[Wallace108]

Yet you make a good point....Ohio and Nevada could both now be labeled "blue states".

We just elected a Republican governor. And hopefully we swing back to the right in 2012. :pray:

[LLT]

We just elected a Republican governor. And hopefully we swing back to the right in 2012. :pray:

I would just like to have a governor that doesnt get indicted while in office. We are 3 out of the last 4.

[The WH]

really what is this suppose to do? i doubt based on that chart the Neo-cons here are going to all of a sudden start questioning their political views.....

[Godfather]

really what is this suppose to do? i doubt based on that chart the Neo-cons here are going to all of a sudden start questioning their political views.....

I think the point is to call the red states hypocrites because they oppose big government but are getting transfers of wealth.

But that point fails because the Tea Partiers are more than willing to give up those transfers. That's why porkers are getting teabagged--look at Murkowski in Alaska (lost the primary, and her sore-loser bid was supported by establishment RINO types and liberals). The Mississippi Tea Party has formally put both our Senators on notice (Cochran is a notorious porker).

The neocons might like big government and free stuff, but the Tea Partiers are going after spenders even when their home states benefit.

[SteelerEmpire]

http://democraticactionteam.org/redstatesocialism/red-state-socialism.jpg

I sure hate me some freeloading red states

Come to think of it, we do get a lot of money from the feds here in Oklahoma... LOL... Wonder were all that money's coming from: a) the blue states ? b) the US mint ? .... lol...