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Killer
06-05-2010, 11:00 AM
Helen Thomas Tells Jews — ‘Get the Hell Out of Palestine’ and Go Back to Germany & Poland


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQcQdWBqt14&feature=player_embedded



Nazi whore

http://drudgereport.com/ht.jpg

7SteelGal43
06-05-2010, 11:08 AM
wow, another member of the brain trust.

BPS3akaWirels3
06-05-2010, 11:10 AM
Helen Thomas Tells Jews — ‘Get the Hell Out of Palestine’ and Go Back to Germany & Poland


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQcQdWBqt14&feature=player_embedded



Nazi whore

http://drudgereport.com/ht.jpg


Die bitch die.. Freakin loser... Let me put a burning cross in your front yard..

venom
06-05-2010, 11:12 AM
She must be a Liberal

http://thebsreport.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/helen-thomas.jpg

cakmakli
06-05-2010, 11:20 AM
http://wizbangblog.com/images/2010/06/129149843700534433.jpg

Killer
06-05-2010, 11:21 AM
So should we send all the blacks back to Africa too?

Wallace108
06-05-2010, 11:22 AM
The "unbiased" liberal media shows its ugly face ... literally.

7SteelGal43
06-05-2010, 11:25 AM
hey helen.....

http://revart.blogs.com/minister_of_rants/images/2007/05/04/yubu_stfu.jpg

cakmakli
06-05-2010, 11:53 AM
Hey Helen, remember this...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrM0dAFsZ8k

I haven't forgotten it and never will

SteelerEmpire
06-05-2010, 12:16 PM
I have noticed here recently that this ol' ladies been giving a lot of people a hard time... Obviously she's losing it (seriously... apparently mild dementia) ... whatever news organization she represents will do well to retire her... :der:

http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/0/Helen-Thomas-306.jpg

Vincent
06-05-2010, 12:28 PM
So should we send all the blacks back to Africa too?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPjEjXyZ2vE

:behindsofa: I'm sorry. It just seemed to fit here. :rofl2:

fansince'76
06-05-2010, 12:33 PM
http://wizbangblog.com/images/2010/06/129149843700534433.jpg

The resemblance is uncanny. :horror:

Craic
06-05-2010, 12:56 PM
Typical.

Completely ignore the fact that

1. Jews (and before them, Israelites) have been documented to be in that land for at least 3000 years. Palestinians probably in Gaza for about the same length of time. However...
2. Both the Gaza and West Bank were taken from the Palestinians NOT by Israel, but by the ARAB community. They were then used as a launching point for a war, which Israel barely won and thus, pushed Egypt and Jordan out of the respective lands to create a buffer zone between Israel and the surrounding nations that continued to launch wars against them.
3. To this day, the Arab world does not take any responsibility for their actions in this atrocity-shifting the entire blame on Israel, even though Israel took nothing from the Palestinians. It was all Egypt and Jordan.

Nope. A good liberal like her will ignore all those facts.

Vincent
06-05-2010, 01:27 PM
Typical.

Completely ignore the fact that

1. Jews (and before them, Israelites) have been documented to be in that land for at least 3000 years. Palestinians probably in Gaza for about the same length of time. However...
2. Both the Gaza and West Bank were taken from the Palestinians NOT by Israel, but by the ARAB community. They were then used as a launching point for a war, which Israel barely won and thus, pushed Egypt and Jordan out of the respective lands to create a buffer zone between Israel and the surrounding nations that continued to launch wars against them.
3. To this day, the Arab world does not take any responsibility for their actions in this atrocity-shifting the entire blame on Israel, even though Israel took nothing from the Palestinians. It was all Egypt and Jordan.

Nope. A good liberal like her will ignore all those facts.

The facts don't confuse made up minds.

I call bullshit on the whole palestinian mess. One need look no further than the leper treatment of so called "palestinians" by their arab brethren. Why are 1.5 million "palestinians" blockaded by both Egypt and Israel in Gaza? Why aren't they "repatriated' to the lands of their "fathers"? Nobody, no-@#$%ing-body on this planet gives a damn about "palestinians". The evidence speaks for itself.

"Oh, but the 'aid flotillas'...". Bullshit! Thats to raise "donations" for the "poor downtrodden" :blah: :zzz:. Goes on all over the world. The money goes to fund terrorism. The supposed sponsor of the "aid flotillas is the IHH, a direct sponsor of al quada, hamas, and virtually every other muslim terror group of any repute. The "aid flotilla" bullshit is for two reasons - raise money, and put Israel in a bad PR position.

CAIR Operates the same way in this country. They take money from muslim immigrants to represent them to immigration then stiff them. The only thing CAIR cares about is its image so it can recruit terrorists and money to support terror.

Yasser arafat, he who personally killed over 2,000 Jews including children, died with a fortune over $3.5 BILLION. Several things are wrong with that picture besides the fortune, not the least of which is it being largely from donations and US aid now in the hands of his heirs. BTW, arafat was an Egyptian.

"Palestine" has been nothing more than an administrative designation to whomever occupied that desolate land throughout its history, nothing more. The "palestine" of today is a proxy for terror, nothing more. Look no further that its late "chairman's" exploitation of the "palestinians". Has anything or anybody improved the lot of the "palestinians"? @#$% no. But they've milked "the cause" for all its worth. Bullshit to the whole thing.

tony hipchest
06-05-2010, 01:41 PM
She must be a Liberal



The "unbiased" liberal media shows its ugly face ... literally.


Typical.

Nope. A good liberal like her will ignore all those facts.

:doh: typical.

so let me get this straight...

you guys are saying that the evil leftist liberal media (primarily controlled by jews, actually hates jews (themselves) and wants them kicked out of israel?

ignoring the fact that this 1st generation lebanese american was probably born and bred to hate jews and anti-semitism is in her blood?

gotta love the partisan hackery of all the football politicians. :clap2:

gottal look deeper than a single photo with the CURRENT president guys. racisim and hate knows no boundries (plus i could dig up hundereds of photos of her with bushI, bushII, and nixon.)

tony hipchest
06-05-2010, 02:13 PM
I have noticed here recently that this ol' ladies been giving a lot of people a hard time... Obviously she's losing it (seriously... apparently mild dementia) ... whatever news organization she represents will do well to retire her... :der:


from wiki-


Helen Thomas (born August 4, 1920) is an American news service (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_service) reporter, a Hearst Newspapers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearst_Corporation) columnist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columnist), member of the White House Press Corps (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_Press_Corps) and author. She served for fifty-seven years as a correspondent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correspondent) and, later, White House bureau chief for United Press International (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Press_International) (UPI). Thomas has covered every President of the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_United_States) since the later years of the Eisenhower administration, coming to the forefront with John F. Kennedy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy). She was the first female officer of the National Press Club (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Press_Club_%28USA%29), the first female member and president of the White House Correspondents Association (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_Correspondents_Association), and, in 1975, the first female member of the Gridiron Club (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gridiron_Club). She has written five books; her latest with co-author Craig Crawford is Listen Up, Mr. President: Everything You Always Wanted Your President to Know and Do.

she needs to be fired and probably have her drivers license revoked as well.

Craic
06-05-2010, 02:14 PM
:doh: typical.

so let me get this straight...

you guys are saying that the evil leftist liberal media (primarily controlled by jews, actually hates jews (themselves) and wants them kicked out of israel?

ignoring the fact that this 1st generation lebanese american was probably born and bred to hate jews and anti-semitism is in her blood?

gotta love the partisan hackery of all the football politicians. :clap2:

gottal look deeper than a single photo with the CURRENT president guys. racisim and hate knows no boundries (plus i could dig up hundereds of photos of her with bushI, bushII, and nixon.)

Nope. I think you need to actually watch the video where she said each of those things. Is there ANY fact that I stated, which is wrong? The answer is no. It is Egypt and Jordan's fault that the Palestinians lost their lands, because THEY TOOK THEM. Israel, intern took the lands from Egypt and Jordan when they launched a war off the lands. Now, please explain to me, how that precludes Egypt and Jordan from any wrong-doing. Or, do you agree with Helen Thomas that all the Jews should just go back to German and Poland where they belong. . . back to the site of the holocaust and currently raising anti-semitism. :doh:

Gotta love the partisan hackery defense mechanism of football politicians that immediately equates a quote with an attack on a current president, when absolutely no reference was made to him in my post.

tony hipchest
06-05-2010, 02:24 PM
Nope. I think you need to actually watch the video where she said each of those things. Is there ANY fact that I stated, which is wrong? The answer is no. It is Egypt and Jordan's fault that the Palestinians lost their lands, because THEY TOOK THEM. Israel, intern took the lands from Egypt and Jordan when they launched a war off the lands. Now, please explain to me, how that precludes Egypt and Jordan from any wrong-doing. Or, do you agree with Helen Thomas that all the Jews should just go back to German and Poland where they belong. . . back to the site of the holocaust and currently raising anti-semitism. :doh:

Gotta love the partisan hackery defense mechanism of football politicians that immediately equates a quote with an attack on a current president, when absolutely no reference was made to him in my post.preacher, that was a statement to the thread in general and you know it. the 1st 2 posts contained her with obama and said picture quoted and then liberal bashing ensued.

this is your quote-


http://www.steeluniverse.net/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.steeluniverse.net/showthread.php?p=6956#post6956) Typical.

Nope. A good liberal like her will ignore all those facts.
seems like youre the one who should be defensive. you equated liberals to jew hating (do you even know her political affiliation?).

this is NOT a liberal/democratic issue like you have suggested. this is an anti-semitic/hate filled issue of intollerance.

hate breeds hate.

Craic
06-05-2010, 02:32 PM
Tony,

You included my quote with theirs, which means you included me in your comments... and you know that. If it was to the thread in general, then don't quote anyone-if it wasn't to me, then don't quote me. But when you quote me, then you are responding to my quotes.

And yes. I absolutely equate liberals with a general anti-Israel stance. Outside of those who self-identify as Jews, I can count on one hand how many liberals I have met that have ANY support or care about Israel. I can count on one hand how many conservatives I have met that DON'T have care or support of Israel. That includes our current Sec State who has said some pretty damning things herself about Israel. However, THIS thread, at least MY post, is about Helen Thomas, stand on Israel, and how the American liberal mindsight has affected HER.

Now, once again. Do you agree or disagree with her?

tony hipchest
06-05-2010, 02:38 PM
Now, once again. Do you agree or disagree with her?read the thread, dont glance over it. ive already answered that specifically and succinctly.

and thats fine if you believe this is a liberal/democratic issue. i am a democrat and i disagree with your stereotypical generalization. i will go on believing i am right.

she was born an anti semite whos family and roots were from the palestenian area.

she chose to be a liberal.

Craic
06-05-2010, 03:23 PM
read the thread, dont glance over it. ive already answered that specifically and succinctly.

and thats fine if you believe this is a liberal/democratic issue. i am a democrat and i disagree with your stereotypical generalization. i will go on believing i am right.

she was born an anti semite whos family and roots were from the palestenian area.

she chose to be a liberal.

Why did she choose to become a liberal? Same reason most Cuban's in America chose to become Republicans. Because it identifies with their politics concerning their homeland.

And I'm sorry, but its not my stereotypical generalization. The Republican party, even at the GRASS ROOTS is MUCH MUCH more supportive of Israel.

According to a 2010 Survey of American Attitudes Toward the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict-James Zogby:
http://www.aaiusa.org/page/-/Press/PDF/ZI_AAI.pdf
Favorable Ratings Towards Israel
Democrats- 42 Fav. 49 Un Fav.
Republicans 92 Fav. 7 Unfav.


Towards Palestinians-
Democrats Fav. 35 Unfav. 56
Republican Fav 6 Unfav. 92

Israeli settlements are Legitimate:
Dems 14 Reps. 62 percent.
....Not legitimate
Dems 63 Reps 13.
....Neither, not sure. both are at about a quarter.

US should get tough and stop settlements
Dems 63 Rep. 13
,,,,US should do nothing and allow them. Dems 11 Rep. 46
.....Not sure... Dems 26 Rep. 33

Jerusalem Should be divided between Israelis and Palestinians

Dems 50 Reps. 16
....... Should be exclusively controlled by Israel.
dems 13 Republican 61


And the COUP DE ETAT
How should Obama Conduct Mid-East Peace?
Lean towards Israel Dems 11 Rep. 71
Steer a middle course- Dems 73 Rep. 24
Lean towards Pal. Dems 9 Rep. 1.


It is absolutely clear, that the Republican party has a much stronger stand in support of Israel. Furthermore, While most Dems say "Steer a middle Course" that middle course, as shown in this poll, includes taken at least part of control of Jerusalem-the ancient historical capital of the Jews, away from them. It includes restricting and opposing their work in the "occupied" territories, even after those territories were used by two other nations to launch wars at Israel... AFTER THOSE ARAB nations stole them from the Palestinians. And beyond that, the democrats have almost double a favorable rating towards Palestinians- and half the favorable rating towards Israel as Republicans.

Do you really want to tell my that it is a "stereotype" and not true? Seems to me, a Poll in March of 2010 says its more than a stereotype, it is the current reality in the current American political narrative.

Craic
06-05-2010, 03:33 PM
"Palestine" has been nothing more than an administrative designation to whomever occupied that desolate land throughout its history, nothing more.

Actually not.

Palestine of today is the Philistine of the bible. What is more striking, is where the Philistine lands were: [/URL]

[URL="http://www.bible-history.com/maps/philistines.html"] http://www.bible-history.com/maps/Map-of-Territory-of-Philistines.gif (http://www.bible-history.com/maps/philistines.html)

It is simply unarguable that the Palestinians have NO RIGHTS to the land. They DO have rights. What is completely missed in the entire discussion, is what Egypt and Jordan did to the Palestinians-and the fact that THEY are the ones to blame for the current plight even more than Israel.

tony hipchest
06-05-2010, 03:35 PM
preacher, as an expert on religion (and the study of people as individuals) i know you can cut through the politics and get down to the TRUE underlying source of her problem (heres a hint... its NOT liberals or democrats).

she could be a republican and would still be a hateful anti-semite.

this is about religion and ethnicity, much more so than politics.

you (or anybody else) wont convince me otherwise.

tony hipchest
06-05-2010, 03:43 PM
Why did she choose to become a liberal? Same reason most Cuban's in America chose to become Republicans. Because it identifies with their politics concerning their homeland.



so what's your answer for jewish liberals then? are you suggesting they all become hateful anti-semites, who are against the plight of israel because that is what liberals do.

that is some twisted logic there preacher.

like i said from the get-go, there are deeper underlying roots in this thread than "liberalism' and im sorry you folks cant see that.

oh well, tis the day and age of partisanship we live in. atleast i understand and can accept that.

Craic
06-05-2010, 03:45 PM
Tony.

I am not saying she is hates Israel because she is a liberal. You know that.

What I am saying is that she hates Israel, and has found a home in the democrat party because she has found a lot of like minded people-or at least people that she can agree with on the issue, as the previous stats support.

st33lersguy
06-05-2010, 03:51 PM
Of course this anti-semetic creature will not get in trouble for this

SteelerEmpire
06-05-2010, 03:51 PM
This was a good one also... lol... LINK: http://politifi.com/news/James-FUCK-THE-JEWS-Baker-471090.html

Craic
06-05-2010, 03:52 PM
Like you said, trying reading the entire thread instead of just skimming it.


I absolutely equate liberals with a general anti-Israel stance. Outside of those who self-identify as Jews
Since this is a new board, let's try a new thing and deal straight with the other person's arguments shall we? Its a little more intellectually honest.

The Jews-my inlaws, identify as democrat because of the holocaust. Because they have come to the conclusion that if all groups in America are absolutely accepted and there is no moral, social, ethnical judgement, then they are safe in America. It is the single driving theme at the core of the Jewish community. Thus, they are put in an awkward situation when it comes to the democrat party and Israel. One I have brought up numerous times, to the usual comment of, "Who the hell knows." In other words, the paradox is dismissed and ignored. That is what I have come across with my inlaws. It is anecdotal, but I would wager a guess that it is very representative.

tony hipchest
06-05-2010, 04:11 PM
Like you said, trying reading the entire thread instead of just skimming it.


Since this is a new board, let's try a new thing and deal straight with the other person's arguments shall we? Its a little more intellectually honest.

The Jews-my inlaws, identify as democrat because of the holocaust. Because they have come to the conclusion that if all groups in America are absolutely accepted and there is no moral, social, ethnical judgement, then they are safe in America. It is the single driving theme at the core of the Jewish community. Thus, they are put in an awkward situation when it comes to the democrat party and Israel. One I have brought up numerous times, to the usual comment of, "Who the hell knows." In other words, the paradox is dismissed and ignored. That is what I have come across with my inlaws. It is anecdotal, but I would wager a guess that it is very representative.youre the one who skimmed it. youre the one who missed my answer (yet had to ask the question "again" even though you never asked me if i agreed or not in the fist place. and i read your quote above which means next to nothing besides stereotypical spew.

but lets be intellectually "honest".

this is your quote... this is what you said-

Typical.

Nope. A good liberal like her will ignore all those facts.

so tell us... are your inlaws "good liberals" or bad liberals? an ANTI-SEMITE ignores your posted "facts". a "good" democrat dissects them.

what you have done by making this a partisan issue is akin to me saying there is a reason the likes of ted haggard and other evangelicals, and catholic priests gravitate towards the republican party.

your efferts to stereotype and pigeonhole have failed. this is an issue of bred and ingrained hate, much moreso than the spin that has been spun in this thread.

Shoes
06-05-2010, 04:12 PM
I guess Mr. Nixon and Billy Graham were liberals too then. Sadly, I have lived long enough to know that the cancer of anti-semitism doesn't live in one political party. I have seen it everywhere. My wife and I took a Bible course some years ago and the teacher kept using anti-Semitic phrases when talking about the Jews in the Bible. I rebuked him point blank after the class....he said he wasn't aware that he was saying such things. Sad indeed.

Craic
06-05-2010, 04:27 PM
Let's see.

First, I talk about her hatred of Israel.

THEN, I talk about her as a good liberal, ignoring the facts.

Conclusion: Being a good liberal, she ignores facts contrary to her opinion. Since her opinion is hatred of Israel, it makes it easy for her to ignore other facts. Since the democrat party has shown to be more anti-Israel than the republican party, according to a democrat pollster (Zogby), she is in a political party where she is less apt to be confronted of that position.


Now, Your take Tony.
I talk about her hatred of Israel.

Then, I talk about how as a liberal, she gets to ignore facts

Tony's conclusion: I have said all liberals are liberals because they hate israel and are bigoted racist pigs.


NEXT,

My take, Jews are outside this discussion because they have something called the HOLOCAUST in their background.
Conclusion: The holocaust causes them to take a different tack in American politics.


Tony's take:
I think of my inlaws as anti-semitic bigots because their liberals.




I don't know whether to laugh or cry at the bad logic.

tony hipchest
06-05-2010, 04:32 PM
you participated in the partisainship of this thread. i showed there are much deeper and underlying issues to contribute to the problems this bitch has.

all liberals do not share her anti-semitic views.

would it be fair for me to assume you behave like jimmy baker, ted haggard, and hendereds of catholic priests because of your association in Christ?

cause that is what you are doing in this instance.

Craic
06-05-2010, 04:39 PM
Actually Shoes, Yes. They both were liberals. Nixon ran to the left of JFK in the elections in the 1960's. When he was in office, he introduced price caps, the EPA, detente with China, etc. He was one the most liberal president we had between FDR and Carter-and in some cases, was as liberal as carter.

Graham was also a liberal politically and was always registered as a democrat.

So again, Yes.
Do I think that Anti-semitism comes from 1 source? Nope. Not at all. That wasn't my argument however. My argument, was that 1. Helen Thomas is a bigot. 2. Because she is a liberal, and identifies with the democrat party, she won't be readily challenged on any facts as she would in the Republican party, based on the stances of the two parties vis-a-vis Israel, as Zogby's poll points out.
_______________________________________________

I would be really interested to know what phrase your bible teacher was using, and how he was using it. PM me if you would. Since that is my area of Doctoral work (the early creation of Judaism) I am quite interested. There is a lot of racism in that area, because a lot of the scholarship came from Liberal German scholars (theologically liberal, nothing to do with American Politics). One of the Seminal works in OT studies was littered with racism. IT was written by Julius Wellhausen and is called the "Prolegomina to the History of Israel." Being that it is a Late 19th century German scholarly work, you can just imagine strain in it.

Shoes
06-05-2010, 04:40 PM
My dear friend Michael Brown, a Messianic Jew wrote this book in 1992, "Our hands are Stained with Blood". Must reading for all Christians....

http://askdrbrown.org/resources/store?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=69&category_id=6

tony hipchest
06-05-2010, 04:48 PM
preacher, it is not intellectually honest to introduce shes #1 a bigot after the fact.

this has been your take (and first post on the subject)-


Typical.

Completely ignore the fact that

1. Jews (and before them, Israelites) have been documented to be in that land for at least 3000 years. Palestinians probably in Gaza for about the same length of time. However...
2. Both the Gaza and West Bank were taken from the Palestinians NOT by Israel, but by the ARAB community. They were then used as a launching point for a war, which Israel barely won and thus, pushed Egypt and Jordan out of the respective lands to create a buffer zone between Israel and the surrounding nations that continued to launch wars against them.
3. To this day, the Arab world does not take any responsibility for their actions in this atrocity-shifting the entire blame on Israel, even though Israel took nothing from the Palestinians. It was all Egypt and Jordan.

Nope. A good liberal like her will ignore all those facts.

as we all can see is that first and foremost she was looked at as a liberal by you.

not a single mention a bigot or anti semite.

i am the one who has been pointing out that the roots of her problems run much deeper than political beliefs. i am the one who said her problems are anti-semitism/ ethnic hatred in nature.

if you agree, then just state that you agree. don play spin doctor.

your above quote woulda been more intellectually honest if it read

"a good anti-semite/bigot will ignore all those facts".

then i could agree with it.

sorry preach.

Craic
06-05-2010, 04:48 PM
you participated in the partisainship of this thread. i showed there are much deeper and underlying issues to contribute to the problems this bitch has.

all liberals do not share her anti-semitic views.

would it be fair for me to assume you behave like jimmy baker, ted haggard, and hendereds of catholic priests because of your association in Christ?

cause that is what you are doing in this instance.

No Tony, it is not. Simply put, I stated that she was a racist. That she is ignoring the facts. And that as a true liberal, it is ok for her to ignore facts in her world.

Once again, I think the logic is slipping by you. I did not say all liberals are antisemites. I said all liberals ignore facts. So the counter position would be you saying- "It is the same as me saying to you preacher, that all preachers ignore the facts of the bible that disagree with you positions, equating you to Benny Hinn and the like". See, THAT is the proper comparison, too which I would agree. ALL people ignore facts. I was simply poking at the glaring fact of that in this case, and that by being in a political party that will agree with her stands vis-a-vis Israel (not the racism, but the stands to support Palestine more), that she won't be challenged.

Can you, after reading through the Zogby poll, still claim that the democrats support Israel as much as the Republicans do?
Can you then, understand how someone who is an antisemite, would be more comfortable in the politics of the democratic party on this issue?
Can you understand, that I don't claim antisemitism for the party-

Or is it easier to overgeneralize and make blanket statements concerning my arguments.

venom
06-05-2010, 05:20 PM
Im shocked that someone is defending her , SHOCKING !! They all stick together .

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0CZ0NvWxlic/SM6J2ifojsI/AAAAAAAAAMU/XCwFwYzbimw/s400/Liberals+are+like+slinkys.jpg

SteelCityMom
06-05-2010, 05:25 PM
Wait...calling someone an anti-semite bitch is defending them?

Laura Bush is an anti-semite bitch...we should all love and respect her.

tony hipchest
06-05-2010, 05:34 PM
Im shocked that someone is defending her , SHOCKING !! They all stick together .

what an ill informed and ignorant statement to make.

oh wait. its venom.

carry on. :coffee:

(sad to see Preacher, who IS a good guy, lumped in with the venom crowd).

venom
06-05-2010, 06:21 PM
What happen hipchest , Jon Leibowitz , I mean Jon Stuart is not on tv tonight ?

Shoes
06-05-2010, 06:30 PM
Im shocked that someone is defending her , SHOCKING !! They all stick together .

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0CZ0NvWxlic/SM6J2ifojsI/AAAAAAAAAMU/XCwFwYzbimw/s400/Liberals+are+like+slinkys.jpg

Venom, I'm very conservative in my views and I don't always agree with Tony, but I don't see him defending this pathetic lady at all.



i am the one who has been pointing out that the roots of her problems run much deeper than political beliefs. i am the one who said her problems are anti-semitism/ ethnic hatred in nature.

tony hipchest
06-05-2010, 06:59 PM
No Tony, it is not. Simply put, I stated that she was a racist. That she is ignoring the facts. no preacher. simply put you stated she was a liberal.

not a racist.

not a bigot.

not an anti-semite.

you called her a liberal. not until i brought it up did you attempt to backtrack.

i mean i could post your quote for a fourth time but i think everyone (besides you and venom) get the point.

The Patriot
06-05-2010, 07:08 PM
I'm surprised. That's just an ignorant, apathetic thing to say, but if you think this is a liberal/conservative issue, then you're just a homer.

Craic
06-05-2010, 09:45 PM
no preacher. simply put you stated she was a liberal.

not a racist.

not a bigot.

not an anti-semite.

you called her a liberal. not until i brought it up did you attempt to backtrack.

i mean i could post your quote for a fourth time but i think everyone (besides you and venom) get the point.

Funny. I too think everyone gets my point, but you and maybe a couple others. I stated she was a liberal at the END of my post, concerning how she doesn't care about facts. Not intending that all dems are racists. If you want to think I said that to feel better, go ahead.

I did however show, that the democrat party does NOT support Israel like the Republican... and again, that IS a party issue, which is why an antisemite like her feels better in the dem party-even though that is NOT the Democrat party's platform (which is one of dual state with recognition of Israel's right of existence and support of such). It is a twisting of the dem platform. In the same way, their are Bigots who are white that twist the republican platform of uplifting the individual instead of the collective group into their own racist stands against blacks.

Are there no racists in the dem. party towards blacks? Nope. THere sure are. Are there no antisemites in the Republican party? NOpe there sure are, but the platforms of the parties lend themselves to being twisted by certain individuals better than the other party.

Please tell me that you are not so partisan, that you can see that.

Vincent
06-05-2010, 11:32 PM
Actually not.

Palestine of today is the Philistine of the bible. What is more striking, is where the Philistine lands were:

It is simply unarguable that the Palestinians have NO RIGHTS to the land. They DO have rights. What is completely missed in the entire discussion, is what Egypt and Jordan did to the Palestinians-and the fact that THEY are the ones to blame for the current plight even more than Israel.

I knew you meant to say "Philistia". I don't know where that map came from, but Philistia was the South coast of Judah.

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_early_palestine_name_origin.php

From the fifth century BC, following the historian Herodotus, Greeks called the eastern coast of the Mediterranean "the Philistine Syria" using the Greek language form of the name. In AD 135, after putting down the Bar Kochba revolt, the second major Jewish revolt against Rome, the Emperor Hadrian wanted to blot out the name of the Roman "Provincia Judaea" and so renamed it "Provincia Syria Palaestina", the Latin version of the Greek name and the first use of the name as an administrative unit. The name "Provincia Syria Palaestina" was later shortened to Palaestina, from which the modern, anglicized "Palestine" is derived.

This remained the situation until the end of the fourth century, when in the wake of a general imperial reorganization Palestine became three Palestines: First, Second, and Third. This configuration is believed to have persisted into the seventh century, the time of the Persian and Muslim conquests.

The Christian Crusaders employed the word Palestine to refer to the general region of the "three Palestines." After the fall of the crusader kingdom, Palestine was no longer an official designation. The name, however, continued to be used informally for the lands on both sides of the Jordan River. The Ottoman Turks, who were non-Arabs but religious Muslims, ruled the area for 400 years (1517-1917). Under Ottoman rule, the Palestine region was attached administratively to the province of Damascus and ruled from Istanbul. The name Palestine was revived after the fall of the Ottoman Empire in World War I and applied to the territory in this region that was placed under the British Mandate for Palestine.

The name "Falastin" that Arabs today use for "Palestine" is not an Arabic name. It is the Arab pronunciation of the Roman "Palaestina". Quoting Golda Meir:

* The British chose to call the land they mandated Palestine, and the Arabs picked it up as their nation's supposed ancient name, though they couldn't even pronounce it correctly and turned it into Falastin a fictional entity.

As for the Philistines...

http://www.bible-history.com/geography/maps/Map-Canaan-Twelve-Tribes.gif

And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein. [I]Joshua 21:43

If the Lord gave Canaan to the twelve tribes of Israel, how do any people have any claim to that land, much less a bunch of disaffected muslims that can't pronounce the name of their own imagined country? They're on the wrong side of history.

Administrative designation. Move along.

Craic
06-06-2010, 12:28 AM
The name has moved through languages... but it still signifies what once was there. And as for Joshua, you'd be interested to know that they never did fulfill those lands. That is why all of Judges is written. Furthermore, You simply cannot equate modern day Israel with the ancient Israelites. The land promises to Israel in taking the Levant were tied to the covenant, which the prophets Ezekiel, Jeremiah, and quite a few others, all say are void.

I fully support the nation of Israel today. But there is no "Christian biblical/theological argument" that can be made to support Israel, that actually stands the test of biblical and theological inquiry-outside of claiming historicity of the OT and thus, a place for Israel. Yet, that also lends to a place for the Palestinains-as the modern day Philistines, with a name that has been generalized and applied to a number of ethnicities with a common belief... the same thing actually, that has happened to Israelites and then Jews.

And actually, in say, 593 BC, You have the Philistine plain which incorporates from Dora Dot in the north, (just a little further north than Nazareth) down through Joppa, Ashdod Azotus, Ashkelon, Gaza, Eglon, Gath, Timnah, Gezer Gazara, Antipatris Aphek, etc. The first half are all on the coast and teh second half are all to the east, on the border of Judaea and Samaraia. Before that, the Philistines were "Sea-Going People" who actually created a lot of havok They attacked the larger empires of Egypt and Assyrians (if memory serves...). For some, it is believed that in 604 BC, the philistines were fully deported by the Babylonians. But it is quickly coming about that the "Myth of the empty land" concerning Babylonian deportation is just that. For instance, There is WAY too much evidence to suggest that Judea was not deported to Babylon, but only their royalty, upper families, and educated (including scribes, priests, and artisans). The same is probably true for many of the areas. Even more factual, is Cyrus's decrees restoring many temples and nations-for political expediency. When you look at a map, Judea and Philistia are both necessary to be settled and under the influence of Persia for their coming war with Egypt at the time (though after Cyrus died, Cambyses went a different root, using boats).

Hence, the name, while being ALSO a political designation, designated a people who were once there, and probably were still there to some degree, much as Judea designated both a political region, and to some degree, the people who were still tehre.

LLT
06-06-2010, 09:34 AM
ignoring the fact that this 1st generation lebanese american was probably born and bred to hate jews and anti-semitism is in her blood?



You are right on the money in regards to where the problem derives from Tony.

I would say that the media DOES tend to "ignore" situations/story lines to promote their bigger picture of their own agenda....so yea, I think that there is a purposeful effort to downplay certain stories in the name of looking at the bigger picture (money)...as far as the media is concerned.

I have began to see as I have grown older....that the root cause of "media bias" is the "good old boy system" and can apply to both parties (though the agenda of the left and that of the media more often are in line with each other). I think there is a lot of pressure on reporters and media outlets to overlook and ignore certain stories under pressure, by the power brokers, of getting blackballed and not getting the BIGGER story down the road. Which makes it more imperative that we get some of these lifetime politicians from both parties out of office.

When, and if, this happens I think it will make the media more honest by default.

venom
06-06-2010, 10:35 AM
I would love to ask her these questions due to shes an expert in Middle East issues :

How many times does the Koran mention Jerusalem? Let me help you out...ZERO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why did the Arabs refuse the United Nations when they were offered their own state in 1947?

Do you disagree with the United Nations granting Israel full membership status? Do you disagree with Harry Truman recognizing Israel as the Jewish State? Do you disagree with the Treaty of Versailles which, after World War One, gave England responsibility to create a Jewish state in the Middle East?

When Jordan occupied the West Bank and Eastern Jerusalem from 1948 to 1967 why didnt they establish a Palestinian state?

Why did Yassir Arafat refuse Israel's offer to give them 90% of Palestinian territorial demands with full diplomatic recognition for a Palestinian state?

Helen? Helen? Hello? Is anybody in there? http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_tnpPU5qMUSM/SkzURSOIDYI/AAAAAAAABpw/YpJBpaZWK5A/s400/crickets+chirping,jpg.gif

Vincent
06-06-2010, 11:04 AM
The name has moved through languages... but it still signifies what once was there.

The name was created and imposed by an occupying emperor on a region, only part of which was Philistia. Aside from the happenstance of a family finding direct lineage to antiquity, there is little or no linkage between the Philistines and a bunch of muslim rabble that don't have the first clue who they are.


I fully support the nation of Israel today.

No "but" can follow "I fully...".


But there is no "Christian biblical/theological argument" that can be made to support Israel, that actually stands the test of biblical and theological inquiry-outside of claiming historicity of the OT and thus, a place for Israel.

I have no regard for the arguments of men in this case. The Lord gave Canaan to the twelve tribes of Israel. That settles it.

The Lord also foretold many times of Israel's "resurrection"...

Amos 9:11, 13

"In that day I will restore David's fallen tent. I will repair its broken places, restore its ruins, and build it as it used to be,'' … "The days are coming," declares the Lord, "when the reaper will be overtaken by the plowman and the planter by the one treading grapes. New wine will drip from the mountains and flow from all the hills."

Zechariah 8:7-8

This is what the Lord Almighty says: "I will save my people from the countries of the east and the west. I will bring them back to live in Jerusalem; they will be my people, and I will be faithful and righteous to them as their God."

Isaiah 43:5-6

"Do not be afraid, for I am with you; I will bring your children from the east and gather you from the west. I will say to the north, `Give them up!' and to the south, `Do not hold them back.' Bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the ends of the earth…

Isaiah 51:3

The Lord will surely comfort Zion and will look with compassion on all her ruins; he will make her deserts like Eden, her wastelands like the garden of the Lord. Joy and gladness will be found in her, thanksgiving and the sound of singing.

Micah 4:1

In the last days the mountain of the Lord's temple will be established as chief among the mountains; it will be raised above the hills, and peoples will stream to it.

Isaiah 27:6

In days to come Jacob will take root, Israel will bud and blossom and fill all the world with fruit.

Isaiah 41:18-20

I will make rivers flow on barren heights, and springs within the valleys. I will turn the desert into pools of water, and the parched ground into springs. I will put in the desert the cedar and the acacia, the myrtle and the olive. I will set pines in the wasteland, the fir and the cypress together, so that people may see and know, may consider and understand, that the hand of the Lord has done this, that the Holy One of Israel has created it

Ezekiel 36:11

I will increase the number of men and animals upon you, and they will be fruitful and become numerous. I will settle people on you as in the past and will make you prosper more than before. Then you will know that I am the Lord.

Isaiah 41:12-14

Though you search for your enemies, you will not find them. Those who wage war against you will be as nothing at all. For I am the Lord, your God, who takes hold of your right hand and says to you, Do not fear; I will help you. Do not be afraid, O worm Jacob, O little Israel, for I myself will help you," declares the Lord, your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel.

The "mighty" arab armies have turned tail and now do their bidding through surrogates - terrorists and the "court' of world opinion. Meanwhile, little Israel flourishes against seemingly hopeless odds. The evidence speaks for itself.


Hence, the name, while being ALSO a political designation, designated a people who were once there, and probably were still there to some degree, much as Judea designated both a political region, and to some degree, the people who were still tehre.

Thin.

The name was imposed by Hadrian. Hence the administrative designation. The name was "resurrected" by arafat. Hence the political designation.

"and probably were still there to some degree". Really thin.

7SteelGal43
06-06-2010, 11:39 AM
Funny how Tony takes exception to Preacher pointing out that Helen Thomas is a Liberal when Tony himself has gleefully pointed out that a person must be a Conservative/Republican when a story is posted about some whack jobs comments/actions. Even when the story doesn't specify.

tony hipchest
06-06-2010, 12:50 PM
Are there no racists in the dem. party towards blacks? Nope. THere sure are. Are there no antisemites in the Republican party? NOpe there sure are, but the platforms of the parties lend themselves to being twisted by certain individuals better than the other party.

Please tell me that you are not so partisan, that you can see that.

why would i need to tell you that for a 50th time when I have been the one saying that in this entire thread.

(lmao @ preacher trying to get me to admit the stance that i have taken all along)

this thread was infected with venom and partisanship until i chimed in. im glad i was able to lend some clear headed rationality.


Funny how Tony takes exception to Preacher pointing out that Helen Thomas is a Liberal when Tony himself has gleefully pointed out that a person must be a Conservative/Republican when a story is posted about some whack jobs comments/actions. Even when the story doesn't specify.since you will not be able to provide any specific examples i can dismiss this for the gibberish it is.

and before you try, let me put this out there-

your hero glenn beck IS a nutjob, but NOT because he is a conservative. there are plenty of sane, rational republicans out there. your boy limbaugh is NOT one of them.

Killer
06-06-2010, 03:04 PM
this isn't a pissing contest

Deport the old Nazi hag back to Lebannon.

7SteelGal43
06-06-2010, 03:10 PM
since you will not be able to provide any specific examples i can dismiss this for the gibberish it is.


http://forums.steelersfever.com/showthread.php?t=39026

Here is a thread you started on SF. Your exact comment at the end of the article was.....


GOOOOOO Rightwingnuts!!!!!

tony hipchest
06-06-2010, 03:27 PM
http://forums.steelersfever.com/showthread.php?t=39026

Here is a thread you started on SF. Your exact comment at the end of the article was.....another perfect example of a rightwing nut job.

i am not naive enough to believe people such as yourself, this nazi flag flyer, beck, limbaugh, or even helen thomas, are true representatives of the majority of their party. there are definitely whackjobs on both sides.

its just that people like you tend to pigeonhole w/o looking into the mirror.

Killer
06-07-2010, 08:46 AM
Deport her ass back to Lebanon where she belongs.


Hamas Praises Helen Thomas’ Statement

Hamas affiliated Al Qassam website on Sunday, June 6th, regarding remarks made by White House correspondent Helen Thomas.

The website reports “This statement by Thomas Helen reflects the opinion of American majority in USA and all masses who support justice and peace in Palestine an whole world.

“Peace process will be successful, only when Israel get out of Arab Areas ,Golan and occupied Palestine, then we can say that peace is happily achieved, otherwise, and as long Israel occupies Palestine and some Arab lands, peace will never be achieved and more headache will be brought to the world by state of terror-Israel .Moreover, her statement serves peace process in Middle East as they like to call it, to a very great extent."


http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/General+News/61195/Hamas-Praises-Helen-Thomas-Statement.html

Killer
06-07-2010, 09:02 AM
where is Barry?


Lanny Davis, the former White House Counsel for President Bill Clinton, weighed in on the Helen Thomas controversy today, calling her an “an anti-Semitic bigot.”

“Helen Thomas, who I used to consider a close friend and who I used to respect, has showed herself to be an anti-Semitic bigot. This is not about her disagreement about her criticisms of Israel. She has a right to criticize Israel and that is not the same as being an anti-Semite,” Davis said in a statement.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/clinton_counsel_helen_thomas_an_5qhgIV8QFXEknfHU2B P2WM

Wallace108
06-07-2010, 10:15 AM
I would say that the media DOES tend to "ignore" situations/story lines to promote their bigger picture of their own agenda....so yea, I think that there is a purposeful effort to downplay certain stories in the name of looking at the bigger picture (money)...as far as the media is concerned.

You're pretty much spot on, LLT.

The mainstream media DOES have a liberal bias. I work in the media and I see it everyday. People slam Fox News for leaning right, but those same people aren't able to see that CNN, network news, and major papers such as the New York Times and Los Angeles Times lean left. That's what I meant in my earlier post when i said the liberal media is showing its ugly face. Because journalists are supposed to be unbiased in their reporting. Helen Thomas has not been unbiased.

Killer
06-07-2010, 11:05 AM
Under the bus she goes!


White House: Helen Thomas' Remarks "Offensive and Reprehensible"

White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said today that journalist Helen Thomas' recent remarks about Israel were "offensive and reprehensible" and "certainly" do not reflect the views of the Obama administration.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20006936-503544.html

Killer
06-07-2010, 11:28 AM
ding dong

the witch is dead


Veteran White House reporter Helen Thomas retires following controversial remarks

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2010/06/veteran-white-house-reporter-helen-thomas-retires-following-controversial-remarks/1

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Bush's fault!

Killer
06-07-2010, 11:40 AM
Oh how the libs are wailing over this one!

ha ha

She’ll probably get a gig with Al-Jazeera.

Her last words?

those damn jooooooooos!

venom
06-07-2010, 12:13 PM
Im going to miss that beautiful lady and her " so-called terrorists " questions .
http://www.rightpundits.com/wp-content/photos/Helen_Thomas_13.jpg (http://www.rightpundits.com/?pp_album=main&pp_cat=&pp_image=Helen_Thomas_13.jpg)

suitanim
06-07-2010, 03:13 PM
Wow....

Addressing the "Jewish liberal vs conservative" argument, that one is simple. Jews in the US are, in general, liberal. Zionists are, in general, conservative. However, in the interests of the safety and well-being of Israel, most Jews are willing to set aside their liberalism for the cause.

There is precedent for this....Albert Einstein fits that philosophical mold perfectly, so this is nothing new.

Killer
06-07-2010, 03:39 PM
I bet JFK was bangin' that

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_swkvCeYf5rM/Shl34QCq13I/AAAAAAAAAvk/qYlTq3Oy_m8/s320/Helen.Thomas.JFK.jpg

st33lersguy
06-07-2010, 07:13 PM
ding dong

the witch is dead


Veteran White House reporter Helen Thomas retires following controversial remarks

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2010/06/veteran-white-house-reporter-helen-thomas-retires-following-controversial-remarks/1

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Bush's fault!

Good, it's about time one of these leftist elitist loons got in trouble for their vile, racist, bigoted remarks

The Patriot
06-07-2010, 08:10 PM
90 year old woman makes slightly racist remark.

Nation in chaos.

Killer
06-07-2010, 08:15 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/SeniorChieftain/AGITPROP/helens_heroes.jpg

The Patriot
06-07-2010, 09:46 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/SeniorChieftain/AGITPROP/helens_heroes.jpg

:rofl2:

I feel bad.

Godfather
06-07-2010, 10:27 PM
Good, it's about time one of these leftist elitist loons got in trouble for their vile, racist, bigoted remarks

It was obviously a Jewish conspiracy against her.

Godfather
06-07-2010, 10:28 PM
90 year old woman makes slightly racist remark.

Nation in chaos.

Slightly??

BPS3akaWirels3
06-07-2010, 10:30 PM
See ya Helen... lol...

SteelCityMom
06-07-2010, 10:55 PM
I....I have to do it. I can't hold it in any longer. Everytime I see this thread I think of it, and I have to get the song out of my head...



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb3IMTJjzfo

7SteelGal43
06-08-2010, 01:50 PM
another perfect example of a rightwing nut job.

i am not naive enough to believe people such as yourself, this nazi flag flyer, beck, limbaugh, or even helen thomas, are true representatives of the majority of their party. there are definitely whackjobs on both sides.

its just that people like you tend to pigeonhole w/o looking into the mirror.

Wow, mentioned in the same breath as Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh. Tony, I truly am honored that you think of me as being like-minded with them. :high5:

If you weren't guilty of pigeonholing as well, why did you use the phrase "rightwingnut" ? Why not just say "what a whack job!" ?. You took exception to Helen Thomas being referred to as a "typical liberal" regarding her comments, would you have been ok with calling her a "leftwingnut" ? I mean, doesn't the term "leftwing" infer liberal/democrat ties ?

venom
06-08-2010, 02:25 PM
It just shows that Liberals hate Jews but love the people of Palenstine . But anyone here remember who was cheering in the streets on 9/11 ? Go look it up

http://www.projectonesoul.com/usaattack/Untitled-10.jpg

cakmakli
06-08-2010, 02:30 PM
...anyone here remember who was cheering in the streets on 9/11 ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrM0dAFsZ8k

venom
06-08-2010, 08:39 PM
Just certain people remember that scene .

Killer
06-10-2010, 09:46 AM
Hezbollah Endorses Helen Thomas

Terror group Hezbollah has thrown its support to liberal icon, Helen Thomas, who shares their position on Israel.

Hezbollah on Wednesday saluted veteran US reporter Helen Thomas’s ‘courage’ for her controversial comments against Israel, which sparked a furor and forced her to retire.

’Respected American journalist Helen Thomas’s answer shows … a courageous, bold, honest and free opinion which expresses what people across the globe believe: that Israel is a racist state of murderers and thugs,’ Hezbollah MP Hussein Moussawi said in a statement. (AFP)

http://joytiz.com/2010/hezbollah-endorses-helen-thomas/

suitanim
06-10-2010, 02:05 PM
Ricardismo is sort of our own little board Helen Thomas...