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xX-TSK-Xx
06-04-2010, 02:04 PM
I'm a Buckeye fan and a Big Ten guy so I am excited at the possibilty of expanding the conference. I think a conference championship game is neccesary and by expanding the Big Ten could put one into place.

To me the perfect scenario (for the Big Ten) would be to add five new schools. My prefered five would be 1)Notre Dame 2)Nebrsaka 3)Missouri 4)Rutgers 5)Pitt. Now Pitt and Notre Dame are unlikely to join but if the Big Ten could get 5 teams they could create two 8-team divisions.

Something like:

West: Notre Dame, Missouri, Nebraska, Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Illinois and Northwestern

East: Penn State, Pitt, Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Rutgers, Purdue and Indianna

Like I said I'm a Big Ten guy so I lean toward improvement of the conference over the entire NCAA field. I'm curious to see how fans of other conferences and the Big Ten feel about possible expansion. Do you like it? Do you think it will be good for college football? Does anyone have a scenario for expansion that they prefer?

suitanim
06-04-2010, 02:13 PM
They are actually courting Texas...they'd love to have a bigger impact in the South, and if you add Missouri, why not Texas? There's no rule that says the conference has to be comprised of Midwest teams.

I'm 100% all for it as along as they land competitive teams...I don't want to see any bottom-feeders brought into the conference.

steelersfanman92
06-04-2010, 02:21 PM
I do not see Pitt joining because of Big East basketball. I do like the idea of Pitt playing in the Big Ten because of the greater TV exposure and due to the fact that living in Indiana I would get to see them a lot more, but in the end I do not think that it will happen.

xX-TSK-Xx
06-04-2010, 02:31 PM
I do not see Pitt joining because of Big East basketball. I do like the idea of Pitt playing in the Big Ten because of the greater TV exposure and due to the fact that living in Indiana I would get to see them a lot more, but in the end I do not think that it will happen.

Yeah. Like I said Pitt and Notre Dame are probably unlikely. I have also heard rumors of, as revs said, Texas and also Maryland, Georgia Tech, Syracuse, Cincinnati and even Vanderbilt. Personally if Notre Dame and Pitt turn down an invitation I would like to Georgia Tech amd Cinci join.

steeldevil
06-04-2010, 02:47 PM
Yeah. Like I said Pitt and Notre Dame are probably unlikely. I have also heard rumors of, as revs said, Texas and also Maryland, Georgia Tech, Syracuse, Cincinnati and even Vanderbilt. Personally if Notre Dame and Pitt turn down an invitation I would like to Georgia Tech amd Cinci join.


I hope your right about Maryland. I would love nothing more than to get their asses out of the ACC. Doubt it happens though

Godfather
06-04-2010, 03:06 PM
Yeah. Like I said Pitt and Notre Dame are probably unlikely. I have also heard rumors of, as revs said, Texas and also Maryland, Georgia Tech, Syracuse, Cincinnati and even Vanderbilt. Personally if Notre Dame and Pitt turn down an invitation I would like to Georgia Tech amd Cinci join.

But does Maryland really bring anything to the table? I don't see them adding enough to the TV market to justify slicing up the pie further.

The problem with Texas, GT, etc. is that the travel distances would be too much for the non-revenue sports.

JoePa will try to keep Pitt out and the Big Ten will probably be OK with that because Pitt doesn't give them any new territory. Penn State and Pitt both have statewide fan bases so they're just dividing up the revenues further.

Mizzou and Nebraska are definitely good candidates. They add new territory, are adjacent to Big Ten territory, and have solid athletic programs. Rutgers maybe, since they don't have fans but they do have the NYC television market. UConn is an ESPN-manufactured fraud but they'd bring a lot to the table in MBB and their WBB program is a revenue-generating sport. That gets you to 15 but I don't see a good 16th team out there. (Kentucky/Vandy wouldn't leave the SEC and Cincy/Louisville don't have the academics).

SteelMember
06-04-2010, 03:10 PM
The championship game is definately the goal.

I think you only need one more team right now. Two divisions of 6 teams each is plenty, imo. That is what the SEC has, and I believe that is the model. Although, I have heard of the "super conferences" you're alluding to, and that could be the eventual future.

Nadroj 20
06-04-2010, 03:12 PM
I do not see Pitt joining because of Big East basketball. I do like the idea of Pitt playing in the Big Ten because of the greater TV exposure and due to the fact that living in Indiana I would get to see them a lot more, but in the end I do not think that it will happen.
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Pitt would be better off staying in the big east in terms of basketball...now idk what would be best for them in their other sports, but basketball wise staying in big east is best

xX-TSK-Xx
06-04-2010, 03:13 PM
The arguement that I have heard for Pitt and Maryland is that by adding one of them you give Penn State a real interconference rival. Other than Ohio State and maybe Iowa the last few seasons they really havn't had a true rival school.

TXSteelerFan
06-04-2010, 03:17 PM
You don't want to see Texas in the Big-10? If Texas goes to the Big-10 you can almost bet your money Texas A&M will be hot on their tracks to follow along. I think a match against OSU once a year would be awesome. I'd also like to see Texas Tech move to the Big-10. A lot more kids would get to see Texas Tech on TV which in return would boost the amount of kids they would get into there programs. Right now the Big-12 has a terrible TV slots for all teams in the Big-12.

suitanim
06-04-2010, 03:25 PM
Also, the Big ten currently pays out more than any other conference in revenue sharing from their TV deals, I think the figure WAS $20 million a school and is now going to be $22 million a school. Only ND wouldn't stand to benefit since they have their own NBC deal...

TXSteelerFan
06-04-2010, 03:50 PM
What’s bad is when I live maybe hour and half away from Austin, Texas and I can't even pick up the game on any local stations unless i have College Game Day Pass... Terrible! That goes for Texas A&M, and Texas Tech games also. The Big-12 is looking bad right about now as Texas is one of its biggest revenue pullers (along with Oklahoma)

SteelMember
06-04-2010, 03:51 PM
It'll probably end up being someone like Iowa State.

SteelerSal
06-04-2010, 06:21 PM
I like the idea but I would rather see some of the non elite conferences move their elite programs up...like say a Boise State for example, and lesson the amount of conferences.

SteelCityMan786
06-04-2010, 08:17 PM
They are actually courting Texas...they'd love to have a bigger impact in the South, and if you add Missouri, why not Texas? There's no rule that says the conference has to be comprised of Midwest teams.

I'm 100% all for it as along as they land competitive teams...I don't want to see any bottom-feeders brought into the conference.

Yeah they would, but the problem is I thought I heard somewhere that adding Texas unless a change of expansion rules happens would violate the rule requiring any new team to be in a Big Ten Territory or boarding one.

Well some of the Big East teams may not be competitive in the Big Ten right way. Va Tech has been the only truely consistant team out of the new ACC teams.


Yeah. Like I said Pitt and Notre Dame are probably unlikely. I have also heard rumors of, as revs said, Texas and also Maryland, Georgia Tech, Syracuse, Cincinnati and even Vanderbilt. Personally if Notre Dame and Pitt turn down an invitation I would like to Georgia Tech amd Cinci join.

Georgia Tech would make no sense because of Geographics. Plus I am not certain if they meet the AAU requirement.


I do not see Pitt joining because of Big East basketball. I do like the idea of Pitt playing in the Big Ten because of the greater TV exposure and due to the fact that living in Indiana I would get to see them a lot more, but in the end I do not think that it will happen.

Thing is, if the Big East loses enough teams, the Football Conference will likely end up folding leaving Pitt possibly with no choice.


But does Maryland really bring anything to the table? I don't see them adding enough to the TV market to justify slicing up the pie further.

The problem with Texas, GT, etc. is that the travel distances would be too much for the non-revenue sports.

JoePa will try to keep Pitt out and the Big Ten will probably be OK with that because Pitt doesn't give them any new territory. Penn State and Pitt both have statewide fan bases so they're just dividing up the revenues further.

Mizzou and Nebraska are definitely good candidates. They add new territory, are adjacent to Big Ten territory, and have solid athletic programs. Rutgers maybe, since they don't have fans but they do have the NYC television market. UConn is an ESPN-manufactured fraud but they'd bring a lot to the table in MBB and their WBB program is a revenue-generating sport. That gets you to 15 but I don't see a good 16th team out there. (Kentucky/Vandy wouldn't leave the SEC and Cincy/Louisville don't have the academics).

The only thing that they would bring in market wise is the DC/Baltimore area. That's it. Basketball they would improve that conference dramatically. However, they have great rivalries with ACC teams.


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Pitt would be better off staying in the big east in terms of basketball...now idk what would be best for them in their other sports, but basketball wise staying in big east is best

In terms of Basketball yes, I agree. But again, as I said, what is Pitt supposed to do if the Football Conference folds?


The arguement that I have heard for Pitt and Maryland is that by adding one of them you give Penn State a real interconference rival. Other than Ohio State and maybe Iowa the last few seasons they really havn't had a true rival school.

Well, those two plus Michigan. To some degree Minnesota is developing into a rivlary. Michigan State isn't a rival in my book yet. Even if they play every year.


You don't want to see Texas in the Big-10? If Texas goes to the Big-10 you can almost bet your money Texas A&M will be hot on their tracks to follow along. I think a match against OSU once a year would be awesome. I'd also like to see Texas Tech move to the Big-10. A lot more kids would get to see Texas Tech on TV which in return would boost the amount of kids they would get into there programs. Right now the Big-12 has a terrible TV slots for all teams in the Big-12.

Texas A&M and Tech would most certainly leave, but again, do they meet the AAU Requirement? Plus geographically it makes no sense unless you can bring in teams like Oklahoma, Nebraska, and Kansas to. Of which those teams bring in nothing more then a sports tradition.


It'll probably end up being someone like Iowa State.

Iowa State makes great sense. Considering they have a rivalry with Iowa already going. I could see them working something with a Western Division.

MasterOfPuppets
06-05-2010, 05:30 AM
Yow On Maryland/Big Ten Rumors: “We’re Not Going Anywhere”
Jim Young
Jim Young | Mailbag
ACCSports.com
May 26, 2010

With the Big Ten considering expanding, the recent weeks have been filled with speculation about schools switching leagues.

One of the more popular rumors had Maryland joining the Big Ten.

Don’t bet on it, said Maryland athletic director Debbie Yow. She addressed the topic during an interview on David Glenn’s afternoon radio show.

“As far as I’m concerned, it’s a waste of time,” Yow said of the speculation. “We’re not going anywhere.”

Yow acknowledged that, as AD, she doesn’t have the final say in the matter.

“I certainly could be overruled, but I don’t think that I will (be),” Yow said. “I never have been in the 16 years that I’ve been here.”

“It isn’t all about the money,” she continued. “It’s really about more than that. We love the ACC. We’re part of it and we’re going to say a part of it, as far as I know.”

During the wide-ranging interview, Yow touched on several other topics, including:

The importance of the ACC TV deal; her support for the league’s revenue-sharing system; the expansion of the NCAA basketball tournament; and the BCS system.

Here are a few more quotes from the conversation. Scroll down further for an audio link to the full interview.

Yow on the importance of the timing in the ACC’s TV negotiations:
“I’m really glad we were next in line to negotiate a long-term contract. It’s better to be in the front of this line than at the end of it.”

Yow on leagues that don’t have a revenue-sharing system:
“That makes for very, very bad working relationships. You’re always sitting at the table as an AD trying to figure out if the vote you’re going to cast is going to advantage your school.”

Yow on whether the NCAA tournament will keep expanding:
“My guess is we’re probably going to be larger later. We’re just not larger right now.”

http://www.accsports.com/blogs/jim-young/201005267882/yow-on-marylandbig-ten-rumors-were-not-going-anywhere.php

xX-TSK-Xx
06-06-2010, 10:25 AM
Looks like we'll know soon if Mizzou and Nebraska are serious about joining the Big Ten.


Report: Huskers, Mizzou face ultimatum

ESPN.com news services

The Big 12 has drawn a line in the sand for at least two member schools.

The conference, amid a chorus of story lines that would all significantly change the face of big-league college sports, has imposed a deadline of Friday for Nebraska and Missouri to state their intentions on whether they intend to bolt for the Big Ten, with the possibility of an extension for a decision by next Tuesday, The Austin American-Statesman has reported, citing two sources.

The Big 12's university presidents decided on imposing the ultimatum, two highly placed officials within two of the conference schools said, according to the newspaper.

"Nebraska has until 5 p.m. on Friday to tell us what they're going to do," one school official said, according to the The American-Statesman. "The same deal for Missouri. They have to tell us they're not going to the Big Ten."

A Dallas Morning News report also cited a deadline for the Cornhuskers but said it was within two weeks.

"I've talked to the Pac-10," said the Big 12 school administrator, according to the Austin newspaper. "There is an invitation. When it comes, it'll come fast."

Another political figure connected to Texas told The American-Statesman: "I know the war drums are beating. This is way beyond gossip."

Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott, speaking at meetings in San Francisco, laid out several scenarios Friday to its schools' athletic directors, one of which would include adding six Big 12 schools, with Texas among them.

Scott was to brief school presidents and chancellors Sunday morning.

Big 12 commissioner Don Beebe said Friday he is "comfortable" the league will remain intact.

Beebe said a "process" had been put in place by Big 12 presidents to ensure the long-term viability of a conference that has greatly increased revenue for its members, but still not kept pace in television dollars with the other big leagues.

The Big 12 presidents are scheduled to meet again in October. It could hardly be longer away than February, when they meet just before Beebe begins negotiations on a new cable deal with Fox.

"I am comfortable," Beebe said as four days of Big 12 meetings in Kansas City, Mo., wrapped up. "There's still a process we're going through but based on the conversations we had I think we're in a very good position."

He would not discuss how the process will keep the Big 12 intact.

"The process that has been set is firm. But I'm not going to engage in what that is," he said.

As a sales pitch to keep the league together, Beebe spent the week explaining that he expected huge increases in rights fees from both Fox and ESPN. Unfortunately for those wanting to keep the Big 12 intact, its more lucrative contract with ESPN runs through the 2015-16 academic year.

The greatly staggered contract dates are not working in the Big 12's favor as it seeks to keep up with other leagues.

"We have had analysis and projections that look like we're going to be every bit as well compensated in the future," Beebe said.

Under their present television deals, Big 12 members received between $7 million and $10 million each last year, depending on how many appearances each school made. The Big Ten, enriched by its Big Ten cable network, distributed some $22 million to each member last season.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5257088

steelreserve
06-07-2010, 12:07 AM
Well, now I hear the latest is that the Pac-10 is going to become a 16-team superconference by taking Texas, Texas Tech, A&M, Oklahoma, OSU and Colorado.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5257774

Then I guess the rest of the Big 12 probably ets split up between the ACC and Big 10.

I would actually like that for three reasons:

- One less conference would mean one less automatic BCS bid, so hopefully the Boise States of the world don't get hosed in favor of the #22 ACC winner as often

- An 8/8 team split would mean the Pac-10 teams only have to play 7 conference games instead of 9. I think that only playing TWO games outside the conference all season was a big reason why the BCS title game became such a "PAC-10 SUCKS" ... "NO, BIG TEN SUCKS" hype contest instead of having any actual indicators of relative conference strength.

- No more of that shit where Texas or Oklahoma cakewalks to 11-0 and a spot in the title game because in the rest of the conference, 10 teams flat-out suck and the other one is ranked #19 with a 7-4 record. I know that's gotten better lately, but all through the '90s and the start of this decade, you could be guaranteed that would happen half the time. You could say the same thing about USC for most of the 2000s too. So, no more of that horseshit.

steel9guy
06-07-2010, 12:25 AM
Any way you look at it the Big 12 is in major trouble.

steeldevil
06-07-2010, 02:40 AM
Any way you look at it the Big 12 is in major trouble.

I think that the Big East will soon be in trouble as well

suitanim
06-07-2010, 11:13 AM
Gordon Gee email sheds some light on the situation...I also stand corrected...looks like the BT paid out 22 mil in "08...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/04/texas-big-ten_0_n_600949.html

COLUMBUS, Ohio — An e-mail sent by the president of Ohio State to the Big Ten's commissioner hints that the conference is pursuing Texas as part of its expansion plans.

Ohio State president Gordon Gee told Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany in an April 20 e-mail that Gee had spoken with University of Texas president Bill Powers. In the e-mail obtained by The Associated Press, Gee writes that Powers would welcome a call to say they have a "Tech" problem.

It's not clear what that means, but Texas Tech is one of Texas' rivals in the Big 12 Conference.


As far as any school saying they aren't interested in the Big Ten, ONLY Notre Dame fits the bill. As for Maryland, they can say it's not about the money, but they are having economic trouble now carrying all 27 major sports. The jump the the BT solves that all at once.

GT moves them into the SE, so I could see that. I doubt Iowa State is of interest, because they bring little to the table...I'm not sure about academics (which is another MAJOR appeal of Maryland), and that would play a big role in the Big Ten's decision to extend an invite.

atlsteelers
06-07-2010, 11:26 AM
I am all for conferences adding teams to get to 12 to have a conference championship game but screw the super conferences. i am a SEC guy but i enjoy the fact that there are regional confernces. So OSU will play Michagan once every 2 or 3 years if OSU is in Big 10 east and Michigan is in the Big west? If the super confernce has 16 teams do you still schedule out of confence games? or is just limited to OSU scheduling akron (everybody needs a cup cake)? so you throw away the USC (or other big time game) to play Missouri?

suitanim
06-07-2010, 11:28 AM
Woah...update!

Looks like the Big 12 has issued an ultimatum to Nebraska and Missouri...they have until Friday to stay in the Big XII or get the boot. Seems the Pac-10 has extended invitations to Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and either Colorado or Baylor. Word is that Texas and Missouri are more interested in the Big Ten, and that Notre Dame is as intrested in joining the BT as they've ever been.

Things is gettin' a mite bit interesting!

suitanim
06-07-2010, 11:31 AM
I am all for conferences adding teams to get to 12 to have a conference championship game but screw the super conferences. i am a SEC guy but i enjoy the fact that there are regional confernces. So OSU will play Michagan once every 2 or 3 years if OSU is in Big 10 east and Michigan is in the Big west? If the super confernce has 16 teams do you still schedule out of confence games? or is just limited to OSU scheduling akron (everybody needs a cup cake)? so you throw away the USC (or other big time game) to play Missouri?

OSU is committed to keeping revenue in-state, so they will continue to play Akron, Kent, Toledo, BGSU, Miami and Cincinnati for the foreseeable future....and there's nothing wrong with that, as they are all D-1 schools that will at least be competitive (and, in Cinci's case, sometimes VERY competitive), unlike SOME schools in SOME conferences that schedule multiple absolute jokey tier-two creampuffs to warm up on.

UM and OSU will end up in the same division no matter what, and will always play due to the rivalry. True, a shift like this will force some teams to be more ballsy with their 3-4 OOC games, but that's what people want.

atlsteelers
06-07-2010, 01:39 PM
UM and OSU will end up in the same division no matter what, and will always play due to the rivalry. True, a shift like this will force some teams to be more ballsy with their 3-4 OOC games, but that's what people want.


the super conference team members may only get 1 or 2 OOC games at most. but its all speculation. we will see what happens... i guess the big 10 has a little inferiority complex going on so they gotta go try to steal the best of the big 12...hehehe

suitanim
06-07-2010, 03:47 PM
the super conference team members may only get 1 or 2 OOC games at most. but its all speculation. we will see what happens... i guess the big 10 has a little inferiority complex going on so they gotta go try to steal the best of the big 12...hehehe

MAYBE....I'd guess maybe they'd add one IC game and drop one OC game.

Just adding ND would make it THE conference for football, prestige and revenue-wise. If they snag Texas, too, it's the football conference competition-wise, too.

If the Pac-10 manages to secure Oklahoma and another top-tier former Big 12 team or two, they may be the next best conference.

xX-TSK-Xx
06-07-2010, 03:58 PM
The trouble I see with trying to get Texas is I think they would prefer to stay in a conference with their rivals Oklahoma, Texas Tech and A&M. If the Pac 10 offeres the six Big 12 South schools membership, I think they would be hard pressed to turn it down.

suitanim
06-07-2010, 05:16 PM
The trouble I see with trying to get Texas is I think they would prefer to stay in a conference with their rivals Oklahoma, Texas Tech and A&M. If the Pac 10 offeres the six Big 12 South schools membership, I think they would be hard pressed to turn it down.

I'll take Nebraska and Missouri. This thing is happening one way or the other, so I'd prefer the best competition available. The Cornhuskers and Mizzou are way better than the Terps and Jackets in the long run...and the geography works. Toss in Pitt, ND and a school to be named later and it's solid.

MasterOfPuppets
06-07-2010, 07:00 PM
Pac-10 expansion: What the new ACC-ESPN deal means (breaking down the dollars)

Posted by Jon Wilner on May 17th, 2010 at 11:46 am | Categorized as ACC basketball, Big 12 football, Big Ten football, ESPN, Pac-10 Conference, Pac-10 expansion, Pac-10 football

Potentially significant news on the Pac-10 expansion front, courtesy of the ACC …

The league just reached an agreement with ESPN that topped expectations and, in the Hotline’s humble view, makes Pac-10 expansion less likely.

The better deal the Pac-10 can cut as a 10-team league, the less reason there is to expand.

According to the SportsBusiness Journal, the ACC just sealed a 12-year, $1.86 billion deal with ESPN. It includes broadcast rights for football and basketball and averages out to $155 million/season.

Based on conversations with sources well-versed in college sports TV deals, I don’t expect the Pac-10 to equal the ACC’s per-year figure for two reasons:

1. The ACC footprint covers more TV households than the Pac-10 footprint.

2. ACC basketball is worth much, much more than Pac-10 basketball, if for no other reason than the two North Carolina-Duke games each season.

But the fact that the ACC’s new deal, which takes effect for the 2011-12 school year, is more than double its existing contract ($67 million annually) … and the fact that Fox was interested enough to join the fray, thus creating a bidding war … bodes well for the Pac-10.

Also boding well for the Pac-10: That ESPN did not get the NCAA Tournament broadcast rights and, as a result, has money to spend

Currently, the Pac-10’s TV deal with Fox is worth approximately $43 million annually — a paltry figure when compared to the Big Ten and SEC (more below).

If the Pac-10 can follow the ACC’s double-our-deal lead and reach the $100 million mark … perhaps in partnership with the Big 12 … then the league will begin to approach its revenue goals, according to sources.

And I believe commish Larry Scott can corral in excess of $100 million annually when the league goes to market sometime next winter, in part because the current deal with Fox is artificially low — not nearly as lucrative as it should be given the population within the league’s footprint.

In other words: The Pac-10’s revenue ceiling is higher relative to its current deal than the ACC’s. (On an absolute basis, for the reasons noted above, the ACC’s ceiling is higher.)

And remember, there’s more to annual revenue than just the TV deal. Bowl payouts are also part of the equation — as is a football championship game, which is a distinct possibility for the Pac-10 (even without expansion) and would add another $12 – 15 million annually to the conference pot.

Combine a lucrative new TV deal with a football title game and the bowl payouts and better branding and sponsorship and, in theory, the league could climb into the $135 – $150 million range in annual revenue.

At that point, the Pac-10 CEOs would raise a glass to commish Larry Scott, in addition to giving him a raise.

Now, about those numbers …

Here are the current football TV deals for the Big Ten, Big 12, SEC and ACC in comparison to the Pac-10, based on various reports:

Pac-10 current deal: $43 million annually.

ACC old deal: $67 million annually.
ACC new deal: $155 million annually (football and basketball).

Big 12 current deal: $73 million annually.

Big Ten current deal: $165 million annually.

SEC current deal: $205 million annually.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2010/05/17/pac-10-expansion-what-the-new-acc-espn-deal-means-breaking-down-the-dollars/

Godfather
06-07-2010, 07:04 PM
The Texas Legislature is throwing a monkey wrench into it. The other Texas schools won't be allowed to move without Baylor--there are 15 legislators committed to blocking the PAC-16 if Baylor isn't included.

steeldevil
06-07-2010, 07:06 PM
Yep... ACC basketball rules over everything!!

suitanim
06-07-2010, 07:19 PM
Yep... ACC basketball rules over everything!!

Except football...

43Hitman
06-07-2010, 08:24 PM
I think that's why he said ACC basketball. I could be wrong though.

SteelCityMan786
06-07-2010, 09:31 PM
Right now I would go for the Big Ten adding Pitt, Notre Dame, Syracuse, Nebraska, and Missouri. The others I would consider are Uconn and Rutgers. It would be great to add WVU,

Right now this is how I would look to see The divisions break down
East
Penn State
Ohio State
Pittsburgh
Michigan
Michigan State
Syracuse
Notre Dame
Purdue

West
Minnesota
Missouri
Iowa
Wisconsin
Northwestern
Indiana
Illinois
Nebraska

This project is liquid at this point. It's going to be hard to figure out how to keep the rivlaries in Indiana together while figuring what would be the best geographic fit.

suitanim
06-08-2010, 09:50 AM
I think that's why he said ACC basketball. I could be wrong though.

I'll type it slowly for you:
E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G would include basketball AND football.

As far as SCM's proposal, I like it with the possible exception of Syracuse. They bring a ton of b-ball to the table, but are comparable with Indiana on the gridiron.

SteelersinCA
06-08-2010, 07:06 PM
Yep... ACC basketball rules over everything!!

If anyone thinks basketball, or any other sport makes a hill of beans difference in this, you're just plain wrong. As Colin Cowherd pointed out this morning, Kansas one of the preeminent basketball programs in the nation, isn't being courted by ANYONE. UNC, the preeminent bball program in the nation makes 16 mil/yr. Texas makes that in 2 home football games with one of them being against North Texas. Football is what's driving this train. Nebraska and Mizzou would be good for the Big 10, but whoever lands the Texas conglomerate is the real winner.

I think the NCAA will have to go to a playoff if there are super-conferences simply because they will have lost all control. It's gonna be a fun ride.

SteelersinCA
06-09-2010, 01:37 AM
Reports are Nebraska in Big 10 by Friday, that almost guarantees Texas is going Pac 10.

kmsteelerwr15
06-09-2010, 02:24 AM
Reports are Nebraska in Big 10 by Friday, that almost guarantees Texas is going Pac 10.

Wow didn't think anything would happen this soon.

atlsteelers
06-09-2010, 09:21 AM
Reports are Nebraska in Big 10 by Friday, that almost guarantees Texas is going Pac 10.

i heard that this morning on the radio too. money is the driving force in college football right now. about time to pay the players.

suitanim
06-09-2010, 12:15 PM
Nebraska and Missouri have no choice...they either join the Big 12, or they get the boot...they were issued an ultimatum. Wonder how this will play out for the '10 schedule. If the teams that shifted conferences have to keep the existing schedule, that's gonna be rough. Think the Big 12 refs are going to be kind to the Huskers and Mizzou?

atlsteelers
06-09-2010, 12:21 PM
Nebraska and Missouri have no choice...they either join the Big 12, or they get the boot...they were issued an ultimatum. Wonder how this will play out for the '10 schedule. If the teams that shifted conferences have to keep the existing schedule, that's gonna be rough. Think the Big 12 refs are going to be kind to the Huskers and Mizzou?

i am sure they are going to stick with the 10' schedule. but nebreska fans will tell that they already got screwed by the officials last year in the big 12 championship game on that game ending fieldgoal. i doubt that an official would take "revenge" but you never know. most likely scenerio is they blow a call because thats what they do and then the conspiracy folks will jump all over it.

SteelCityMan786
06-09-2010, 01:39 PM
i am sure they are going to stick with the 10' schedule. but nebreska fans will tell that they already got screwed by the officials last year in the big 12 championship game on that game ending fieldgoal. i doubt that an official would take "revenge" but you never know. most likely scenerio is they blow a call because thats what they do and then the conspiracy folks will jump all over it.

I would imagine they are going to stick with 2010. It's too late now to readjust schedules. Especially when they have to formulate the new scheduling rules for the Big Ten. The 2011 and 2012 Schedules however are set in the Big Ten, but those can be adjusted.


I'll type it slowly for you:
E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G would include basketball AND football.

As far as SCM's proposal, I like it with the possible exception of Syracuse. They bring a ton of b-ball to the table, but are comparable with Indiana on the gridiron.

Syracuse I was thinking might be better for Basketball though. But again, what are they supposed to do if the Big East gets raided? I wouldn't be surprised if things go accordingly that South Florida ends up bolting for the ACC or SEC. Although Football is the driving force in this one, the conference if things played out well might able to nab New York as a future home of the Big Ten Basketball Tournament. Although I don't see why not just have it in Chicago now. That's the biggest media market of the entire current conference set up.


Reports are Nebraska in Big 10 by Friday, that almost guarantees Texas is going Pac 10.

No surprises there. I had a feeling that would be put in the conference if the Big Ten welcomes them. I think the Big XII now is doomed. A merger with the Mountain West maybe in their best interests now.

suitanim
06-09-2010, 05:45 PM
The SEC refs already screw over their own conference teams if they are threatening to knock off a potential NC contender...I'm thinking Missouri and Nebraska are absolutely "marked men" this year in their IC games. That sucks for all involved...

As for 'Cuse, the BT would love their B-ball draw and academics (and people are ignoring that...the Big Ten is a serious academic conference). Syracuse was ranked as the 58th best tier one National University in the country this year by US News and World Report. Pitt is attractive for all the same reasons...and their geography is better. But Syracuse hasn't been a football powerhouse since the days of Jim Brown, and Pitt (although better as of late) hasn't contended for a NC since the Marino days.

SteelCityMan786
06-09-2010, 07:47 PM
Nebraska to bolt for the Big Ten, The 6 Schools Rumored for the Pac 10 appear also ready to bolt, and Missouri I would imagine is next. It appears it's the end of the Big XII as we know it.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5268408

suitanim
06-09-2010, 09:23 PM
Wow...now they don't want Missouri...I'm surprised but I guess it makes sense since they aren't particularly strong in either football or basketball...Nebraska is a good get, and is a good fit geographically. My guess is Big Ten makes a play for ND and one other team..they'll need to do this two teams at a time and the Domers have to be the big prize for the Big Ten.

I think the Big Ten spurred this whole thing simply by making it public knowledge that they WERE expanding. It forced all the other players hands...

Dodt
06-10-2010, 07:19 AM
now we get to see what happens to the rest of the big 12

SteelMember
06-10-2010, 09:33 AM
So if the BIG 10, which is really the BIG 11, does indeed get Nebraska, will they ever consider changing the nomenclature?

I realize they would want to keep their own identity because a NEW BIG 12 wouldn't fly, but they are/will be more that 10.

I was hoping we'd land Notre Dame, but they have a good deal for themselves. If all these changes start happening, they will inevitably need to join somewhere, imo.

SteelersinCA
06-10-2010, 11:22 AM
I was hoping we'd land Notre Dame, but they have a good deal for themselves. If all these changes start happening, they will inevitably need to join somewhere, imo.

I think in order to land ND the Big 10 has to pillage the Big East to force them to break up as well. The best scenario is to go after Rutgers and Syracuse because you lock down a NY market, in my opinion. However, they have to decide how many dead weight teams ND is worth.

SteelCityMan786
06-10-2010, 11:37 AM
I think in order to land ND the Big 10 has to pillage the Big East to force them to break up as well. The best scenario is to go after Rutgers and Syracuse because you lock down a NY market, in my opinion. However, they have to decide how many dead weight teams ND is worth.

Replace Rutgers with Pitt. I think if they were to bring in Pitt and then the Pac 16 goes through, then you will land them.

SteelersinCA
06-10-2010, 11:50 AM
Replace Rutgers with Pitt. I think if they were to bring in Pitt and then the Pac 16 goes through, then you will land them.

What does Pitt get the Big 10? It's not that strong of a team in football, which is what this is all about, so let's not even talk about their soccer or basketball programs or women's ice dancing. They already have the majority of the Pitt market locked up in their coverage now. Rutgers guarantees them the entire NY market which opens a whole new revenue stream. As far as rivalries go, I agree, Pitt would be great. But it's about cash.

st33lersguy
06-10-2010, 11:54 AM
now we get to see what happens to the rest of the big 12

Same thing that happened with the Big East a few years ago

SteelMember
06-10-2010, 02:17 PM
Colorado leaves BIG 12 for the PAC-10. (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/colorado-big-12-pac-10-061010)

and so it begins...

Seems like a good fit for the PAC-10. Better than a Texas, imo. Although they may end up with all of those too.

Updated Jun 10, 2010 1:51 PM ET
The Colorado Buffaloes have bolted from the Big 12, accepting an invitation Thursday to become the 11th member of the Pac-10 Conference.

It's the first expansion of the league since it added Arizona and Arizona State in 1978. More teams could follow Colorado from the Big 12 to the Pac-10. Reports say Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State could accept invitations soon.

Colorado's move was first reported by The Sporting News.

Before the Buffaloes jumped ship to another conference, Nebraska looked poised to become the first team to leave the Big 12, possibly exiting for the Big Ten as soon as Friday.

With Colorado gone and Nebraska on the verge of maybe moving on, this could seriously damage remaining members' hopes to keep the Big 12 intact. Schools such as Missouri, Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas and Kansas State might be left on the sidelines.

“This is an historic moment for the Conference, as the Pac-10 is poised for tremendous growth," Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott said in a statement. "The University of Colorado is a great fit for the Conference both academically and athletically."

A press conference is scheduled for Friday at 1 p.m. ET.

The official statement offered no information about when Colorado would begin playing in the Pac-10. The Daily Camera reported earlier Thursday that it would take effect for the 2012 season.

“On behalf of The University of Colorado students, faculty, alumni and fans, we are proud to accept this invitation from the Pac-10 and join the most prestigious academic and athletic conference in the nation,“ Colorado Chancellor Philip P. DiStefano said in a statement.

Texas and Texas A&M officials are scheduled to meet to discuss the future of their programs. Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds has said he wants to keep the Big 12 together.

Baylor and Texas Tech officials have said that even if the Big 12 breaks apart, they want to remain with Texas and Texas A&M as members of the same conference.

The Pac-10 currently consists of Arizona, Arizona State, Cal, Oregon, Oregon State, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Washington and Washington State.

suitanim
06-10-2010, 04:12 PM
Big Ten and Notre Dame are officially in talks. Here's the interesting bit...word is that if they land the Domers, they are done. And that makes sense...it gives them 12, adds two prestigious programs both very much in the Midwest, and they can add their conference championship game. Also, (and I wasn't aware of this), the Big Ten TV deal is worth MORE than the exclusive NBC deal they currently have in place. I have a feeling the deal will get done and I'm VERY happy with that if it happens.

Plus, if the "Big Twelve" is, um....no longer being used, why not? It's accurate.

atlsteelers
06-10-2010, 04:36 PM
adding notre dame would be a major coup for the big 10. with the addition of nebreska you will have a real nice conference. no need to expand to 16 and share all of that mad money that you all are making. maybe somebody can finally challenge OSU.

SteelersinCA
06-10-2010, 05:03 PM
Wouldn't the addition of Nebraska and ND give them 13? I was under the impression Nebraska was a done deal.

SteelCityMan786
06-10-2010, 11:08 PM
I think 16 still is the number the Big Ten will stop at even as things progress.

BigNastyDefense
06-11-2010, 12:06 AM
The Big 10 has coveted Notre Dame forever. Notre Dame has felt that they are too good for a conference, but it would be in the best interest of Notre Dame football to join the Big Whatever-It-Will-Be-Called. Winning the Conference Championship would ensure then a BCS game. Even just making it to the Big 10 Championship Game could yield a BCS game.

And lets say the Big 10 adds both ND and Nebraska. The don't HAVE to add another team to make 14. They can do it with 13, an unbalanced division. I don't think the rules state that you need an even number of teams in each division, just that you need 12 minimum.

But if they were to add another team to make it equal, I would like Pitt (won't happen, B10 already has the market, JoePa will protest until he keels over, and I don't think they would want to leave the Big East). So if it's not Pitt, I would like to see Rutgers or Cincinnati. Rutgers brings us the New York market and they don't have a bad football program. They would be on the level of Michigan State.

East:
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Notre Dame
Penn State
Purdue
Rutgers

West:
Nebraska
Wisconsin
Iowa
Indiana
Northwestern
Minnesota
Illinois

But I could see the Big 10 add Notre Dame and end it there, since that's who they want more than any other school.

st33lersguy
06-11-2010, 08:56 AM
Adding Notre Dame would make sense since they have played Purdue, Michigan, & Michigan State anually for a long time

suitanim
06-11-2010, 09:30 AM
Nebraska is not a done deal yet...but it may be today. IF The Huskers are in before ND, then the whole idea of 12 is out the door...but the point is, if they land ND all bets are off. They stick at 12...I think they WILL land ND, but as part of a 16 team conference. Nebraska could still bolt for the Pac 10 today.

I think it plays out that Nebraska comes on as #12, they sign ND on as #13, and they have 3 bids to extend. Missouri look off-the-table at this point. Their officials are saying they are NOT going to receive a bid.

I think the plan as of right now is to stick at 12 until they get an answer form ND. IF the Big Ten raids the Big East, I've heard a rumor that they will pursue Kansas and K-State to help fill in the losses.

It's an interesting time in college sports, beyond a doubt...

SteelersinCA
06-11-2010, 11:41 AM
KU and KSU wouldn't be enough to save the Big East, I think the Big 10 has to secure the NY market if they get Nebraska before ND.

suitanim
06-11-2010, 01:05 PM
Nope...but it will offset the basketball losses.

Latest is that Texas A&M wants to move to the SEC and take Texas with them...which actually makes more sense than the Pac 10. Texas is balking because some of the SEC schools are sub-par academically. So that gums up the works on that...but since I haven't heard a peep about Notre Dame, I have to assume Nebraska will move ahead and officially sign on with the Big Ten today.

oneforthetoe
06-11-2010, 01:12 PM
I am all for conferences adding teams to get to 12 to have a conference championship game but screw the super conferences. i am a SEC guy but i enjoy the fact that there are regional confernces. So OSU will play Michagan once every 2 or 3 years if OSU is in Big 10 east and Michigan is in the Big west? If the super confernce has 16 teams do you still schedule out of confence games? or is just limited to OSU scheduling akron (everybody needs a cup cake)? so you throw away the USC (or other big time game) to play Missouri?

I do understand you point about the "super conferences." However, to me, that is the only way we get a reasonably workable a national championship.

MasterOfPuppets
06-11-2010, 05:01 PM
i'd luv to see WVU join the ACC ...the WVU / MD rivalry is a pretty heated one. especially right here on the border.

venom
06-11-2010, 05:22 PM
Wow , the Big 12 is gone. It will be nice to see a Nebraska vs Michigan if the Huskers are accepted

SteelMember
06-11-2010, 06:29 PM
it's officially official...


Nebraska to join Big Ten in 2011 (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10162/1064946-100.stm)

Friday, June 11, 2010
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The Big Ten has approved the University of Nebraska as its newest member, and the Cornhuskers will officially join the conference in 2011.

The vote was a mere formality after the school's board of regents passed a resolution this afternoon stating their intentions to join the conference.

Nebraska will become the 12th Big Ten member and first to join since Penn State in 1990.

But that does not mean the Big Ten is done. Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany said Sunday the conference could "act and act again" on expansion.

SteelersinCA
06-11-2010, 06:40 PM
At the very least the Big 10 has to have a conference championship now.

MasterOfPuppets
06-11-2010, 06:54 PM
so do the teams leaving these conferences have to wait till the TV contracts are expired ? you would think the individual teams would have some sort of obligation to the conference. i mean if i was the head of a network and wanted the ACC basketball TV rights, i'd wanna know that includes the games between duke and NC for the duration of the contract. i'd be a bit upset if one or both teams moved to a different conference partway thru out the contract and i lost rights to those match ups.

BigNastyDefense
06-11-2010, 11:11 PM
Welcome Nebraska!

st33lersguy
06-12-2010, 08:58 AM
Wow , the Big 12 is gone. It will be nice to see a Nebraska vs Michigan if the Huskers are accepted

Not neccessarily, they will probably search for schools in the midmajor conferences, like what the big east did

BigNastyDefense
06-12-2010, 12:36 PM
That depends on what Texas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma State do. If those guys all leave, or even three....then the Big 12 is dead.

Texasteel
06-12-2010, 06:43 PM
it's officially official...


Nebraska to join Big Ten in 2011 (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10162/1064946-100.stm)

Friday, June 11, 2010
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

The Big Ten has approved the University of Nebraska as its newest member, and the Cornhuskers will officially join the conference in 2011.

The vote was a mere formality after the school's board of regents passed a resolution this afternoon stating their intentions to join the conference.

Nebraska will become the 12th Big Ten member and first to join since Penn State in 1990.

But that does not mean the Big Ten is done. Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany said Sunday the conference could "act and act again" on expansion.


There a few people down here that talk like Texas is a done deal.

suitanim
06-14-2010, 01:23 PM
Delaney all but announced a Big Ten conference championship game in 2011...and there's no reason, not even more expansion, why it should not occur.

Hopefully that extra game will help with the insane lay-offs between the last conference games around Thanksgiving and the premium bowl games New Years day and after...this is a win-win-win for the Big Ten.

By the by, the Buckeyes will have a BRUTAL schedule in 2012...they'll play Cal, Cinci, UAB, Miami (OH) and almost certainly Nebraska in-conference.

BigNastyDefense
06-16-2010, 02:08 PM
I don't see why we shouldn't have a conference championship game in 2011. The extra revenue, the Big 10 wouldn't be so "forgotten" because they'd also be in the limelight of a conference championship game. If you're not going to have one, then why expand to 12 teams?

suitanim
06-16-2010, 05:03 PM
I don't think you read what I said correctly. It's pretty much a done deal They just need to dot the "i's" and cross the "t's".

And now any Big Ten team making the NC game will have run the gauntlet. It's still a tough conference to run the table in, but a Bo Pelini led resurgent Cornhuskers team added into the mix, PLUS having to play another tough in-conference game for the conference crown will remove any stigma the Big Ten has been carrying around for the last few years.

As a Buckeyes fans, I welcome it. I WANT the strongest possible schedule to play, both in and out of conference...

BigNastyDefense
06-18-2010, 09:00 PM
I don't think you read what I said correctly. It's pretty much a done deal They just need to dot the "i's" and cross the "t's".

And now any Big Ten team making the NC game will have run the gauntlet. It's still a tough conference to run the table in, but a Bo Pelini led resurgent Cornhuskers team added into the mix, PLUS having to play another tough in-conference game for the conference crown will remove any stigma the Big Ten has been carrying around for the last few years.

As a Buckeyes fans, I welcome it. I WANT the strongest possible schedule to play, both in and out of conference...

I just reread what you said....yeah I read it wrong lol.

I love adding Nebraska and the fact that the Big 10 will have a CCG.

Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Iowa....the best teams in the Big 10. Once Michigan gets rid of DickRod after this season, they can become a top team again. Michigan State can also get into that conversation in the near future. There is no way people will be able to deny that the Big 10 is a power conference, and we won't be "forgotten" about when Conference Championship Games get played.

suitanim
06-19-2010, 06:57 AM
With OSU, Michigan and Nebraska in the conference, you now have 3 of the top 5 all-time winning programs in college football history in one conference. If they can snag Notre Dame, they'll have 4 of 5. If they would have grabbed Texas AND ND, they'd lock up the whole top 5.

xX-TSK-Xx
06-19-2010, 11:30 AM
I'm still hoping for Notre Dame. Maybe the Big Ten can grab them and a Big East/ACC team.

BigNastyDefense
06-19-2010, 01:33 PM
I would love for ND to come to the Big 10. I mean hell, they play a lot of our teams in the football season anyhow. And they can still schedule USC every year if they wanted to as a OOC game.

xX-TSK-Xx
06-30-2010, 06:20 PM
It appears the Big Ten's name will not change.

Big Ten seems unlikely to change name

By Adam Rittenberg

The Big Ten has some big-ticket items to tackle later this summer: division alignment, conference scheduling and a potential conference championship game, to name a few.

To me, these topics carry far more weight than deciding the name of the conference. But there's significant interest among fans and others about whether the Big Ten will still be the Big Ten when Nebraska joins in 2011. You've heard the jokes about the Big 11 for two decades, and as lame and unoriginal as they are, they're not going anywhere if the league keeps its name.

Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany has gone on record as saying he was willing to change the league's name when Penn State joined in 1990. He's still open to a change, but the decision rests solely with the Big Ten presidents and chancellors.

And it sounds like those folks have no plans to scrap the Big Ten brand.

Here's Minnesota president Robert Bruininks in a recent Q&A with The Minnesota Daily:

Any talks of a name change?

Bruininks: No, I think it’s quite certain that we will keep the brand of the Big Ten, and that’s a historic reference to a conference that has been remarkably stable.

Longtime Michigan sports broadcaster Tim Staudt recently talked with Michigan State president Lou Anna Simon, the chair of the Big Ten's Council of Presidents/Chancellors, who had this to say:

She does believe the name Big Ten will stand no matter how many schools are in the field eventually. She doesn't say it's 100 percent certain but she thinks the branding of the name will keep it "Big Ten."

The marketing community seems to agree with the Big Ten keeping its name, despite the mathematical inaccuracy in number of members.

Chuck Piper, who was a longtime vice president in charge of strategic services for Bailey Lauerman marketing agency, said the Big Ten brand has established too much equity to change names now.

“I think it really has nothing to do with how many teams are literally part of it,” Piper said. “You can’t be changing the brand every time you add or subtract. The Big Ten brings to mind a certain kind of entity, and that entity remains intact even though the players might change from time to time.”

I tend to agree. There's so much history in the Big Ten brand name, and you would lose something if it changed. Not to mention that the league's greatest new asset, a television network, has the Big Ten brand attached to it.

The logo has to change, but the brand shouldn't.

"The 'Ten' signifies an ideal, a way of conference life, more than it suggests the number of schools in the league. A name change is unnecessary."

Let the tired and annoying jokes continue, and keep the name in place.

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten

SteelCityMan786
07-01-2010, 12:44 AM
They will find a way to place a 12 in the logo probably. Much like they did with Penn State by placing the 11 in the name.

Nadroj 20
07-01-2010, 12:50 AM
They will find a way to place a 12 in the logo probably. Much like they did with Penn State by placing the 11 in the name.

Whoever designed that was a genious, the Big Ten logo was always one of my favorites because of that lol