Steelers Fan won't take flag down.. (A true fan)

[BPS3akaWirels3]

Fan takes flack for flying sports flag

Takes on Homeowners Assoc.

Updated: Thursday, 14 Oct 2010, 7:39 PM MDT
Published : Thursday, 14 Oct 2010, 6:15 PM MDT

Reporter: Crystal Gutierrez (crystal.gutierrez@krqe.com)
ALBUQUERQUE (KRQE) - A flap over a flag is brewing in an Albuquerque neighborhood after the Ventana Ranch Homeowners' Association ordered a resident to take down his Pittsburgh Steelers flag.
Ronnie Martinez said he couldn’t believe it when he got a violation notice, or “friendly reminder,” in the mail two weeks ago.
“They're saying it’s a friendly reminder but,” Martinez said
That friendly reminder is ordering him to fold up a flag bearing the name of his favorite NFL team, the Pittsburgh Steelers, because signs are forbidden under Ventana Ranch HOA’s covenant


http://www.krqe.com/dpp/news/politics/Man-gets-flack-for-flying-flag


Watch the news video..

That's so awesome... I wonder if my homeowners associations would do the same? I have the SB 43 flag hanging out over my patio deck and a small one in beside the garage. You can take my wife and children but no Steelers flag over my dead body... :chuckle:

[CPanther95]

If that's the HOA bylaws, there's not much you can do.

Only thing they routinely over step is with antennas and satellite dishes. Federal law forbids them from banning any satellite dish under 1 meter, or any antenna - of any size - that is no taller than 12 ft. above the highest point of the home. But many ban them anyway - but it can't be enforced.

[BPS3akaWirels3]

If that's the HOA bylaws, there's not much you can do.

Only thing they routinely over step is with antennas and satellite dishes. Federal law forbids them from banning any satellite dish under 1 meter, or any antenna - of any size - that is no taller than 12 ft. above the highest point of the home. But many ban them anyway - but it can't be enforced.

Like the guy said.. It says about signs and not flags... I tried to get DTV back a few months ago and said it couldn't be in front of the house so I am stuck with Comcrap..

[CPanther95]

Like the guy said.. It says about signs and not flags... I tried to get DTV back a few months ago and said it couldn't be in front of the house so I am stuck with Comcrap..

You have Federal Law on your side. If you can't receive satellite signal on the rear of your home, you can place it where you need to in order to receive it. There's nothing the HOA can do about it. If they fight it, they are fighting the FCC and will be liable for their, and your, expenses.

http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html

[BPS3akaWirels3]

You have Federal Law on your side. If you can't receive satellite signal on the rear of your home, you can place it where you need to in order to receive it. There's nothing the HOA can do about it. If they fight it, they are fighting the FCC and will be liable for their, and your, expenses.

http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html

I rent so I cant take the risk of them looking for something else to fight me on.. If I owned then I would fight it..

[vasteeler]

i would never buy a house in a subdivision where they can tell me what i can and cant do on MY property.

[Vis]

i would never buy a house in a subdivision where they can tell me what i can and cant do on MY property.

Which means you can't stop your neighbor from putting a junker on blocks in his front yard right up to the line with yours.

[7willBheaven]

i would never buy a house in a subdivision where they can tell me what i can and cant do on MY property.

Right on!

[vasteeler]

agreed, thats why i live in the woods

[BPS3akaWirels3]

agreed, thats why i live in the woods

Geez.. He's a Phillies fan and a Hillbilly... He is half ok then... Not all bad...

[vasteeler]

Geez.. He's a Phillies fan and a Hillbilly... He is half ok then... Not all bad...

if you assume i am a hillbilly (and theres nothing wrong with that)than i can assume you drive a horse and buggy:scratchchin:.............:chuckle:

[BPS3akaWirels3]

if you assume i am a hillbilly (and theres nothing wrong with that)than i can assume you drive a horse and buggy:scratchchin:.............:chuckle:

That's me!!!!

http://star.walagata.com/w/the-salamander/amish9.jpg


We just bought this one last month..

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRTb0981lPhoSeUwSyoSKw6p7bmtNOkY H3Tq5s94YrlmtOc8AA&t=1&usg=__jIQtnZWCPh7VahzzMqdKYdVZJD0=


We wrecked the sports buggy..

http://www.mygtv.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/rescue01.jpg

[vasteeler]

That's me!!!!

http://star.walagata.com/w/the-salamander/amish9.jpg

:lol:

my cousin grew up in Lancaster , he tells me he has seen them getting arrested for drunk driving :toofunny:

[BPS3akaWirels3]

:lol:

my cousin grew up in Lancaster , he tells me he has seen them getting arrested for drunk driving :toofunny:

They smoke and drink just like the outside world... When they turn 18 they are given a year in the outside world and after that year can choose to stay Amish or be like the sinners..

[vasteeler]

They smoke and drink just like the outside world... When they turn 18 they are given a year in the outside world and after that year can choose to stay Amish or be like the sinners..

interesting fact, i did not know that and ive been up there alot

[BPS3akaWirels3]

interesting fact, i did not know that and ive been up there alot

Rumspringa begins at 18, an age that the Amish believe marks the start of adulthood.The term "rumspringa" means running around.The young person can experience the outside world- move out, drive, drink,cut and dye their hair, get tattoos, go to concerts, cinemas and niteclubs, wear modern clothes and so on.

Eventually the young person, can decide to join the church and abstain from all the things they have experienced or remain in the outside world. The Amish believe that to remain unbaptised, means a person can go to hell so the family will always want their son/daughter to join the church and be baptised.Also,while that person is not shunned the family will not want them to visit in modern clothes with a car lest they be a bad influence to younger siblings.

Traditionally most women remain at home during rumspringa and will kept to their traditional clothes.That means they are more like to join the church and if an Amish guy wants marry a certain Amish women, he will most likely have to join her when she is baptised into the church.Otherwise, they cannot marry.This means many Amish men return to the church.

Rumspringa has been described as getting more difficult for teens today than in the past.Many Amish teens work in factories and restaurants, not farms and therefore have more money than previously and can buy more goods and/ move out.

There is a danger that if a person joins the church, but misses the outside world and releaves, they will be shunned.This is what makes it so hard for the Amish teens.

As it is, most teens return to the church.

[SteelMember]

Geez.. He's a Phillies fan and a Hillbilly... He is half ok then... Not all bad...

So, vasteeler is a Philbilly. :chuckle:

[vasteeler]

So, vasteeler is a Philbilly. :chuckle::buttkick:

[vasteeler]

Rumspringa begins at 18, an age that the Amish believe marks the start of adulthood.The term "rumspringa" means running around.The young person can experience the outside world- move out, drive, drink,cut and dye their hair, get tattoos, go to concerts, cinemas and niteclubs, wear modern clothes and so on.

Eventually the young person, can decide to join the church and abstain from all the things they have experienced or remain in the outside world. The Amish believe that to remain unbaptised, means a person can go to hell so the family will always want their son/daughter to join the church and be baptised.Also,while that person is not shunned the family will not want them to visit in modern clothes with a car lest they be a bad influence to younger siblings.

Traditionally most women remain at home during rumspringa and will kept to their traditional clothes.That means they are more like to join the church and if an Amish guy wants marry a certain Amish women, he will most likely have to join her when she is baptised into the church.Otherwise, they cannot marry.This means many Amish men return to the church.

Rumspringa has been described as getting more difficult for teens today than in the past.Many Amish teens work in factories and restaurants, not farms and therefore have more money than previously and can buy more goods and/ move out.

There is a danger that if a person joins the church, but misses the outside world and releaves, they will be shunned.This is what makes it so hard for the Amish teens.

As it is, most teens return to the church.

and we thought we had it rough as teenagers

[Vis]

Here's a thread that stayed on track. But it's educational

[BPS3akaWirels3]

and we thought we had it rough as teenagers

There was a great story on this a year or two back that I believe was on Dateline.. I really respect the Amish for standing strong in their believes and respect towards us as outsides... I will always have a lending hand to them... Do you remember the schoolhouse massacre back in October 2006?

http://images.ctv.ca/gallery/photo/amish_gallery_20061003/image12.jpg

[SteelMember]

:buttkick:

Your still ok with me.

[SteelMember]

Here's a thread that stayed on track. But it's educational

I apologize. Is this about HOA's, flags, hillbillys, The Amish, or Lancaster? :noidea:

I'll go. :pout:

[vasteeler]

There was a great story on this a year or two back that I believe was on Dateline.. I really respect the Amish for standing strong in their believes and respect towards us as outsides... I will always have a lending hand to them... Do you remember the schoolhouse massacre back in 2008?

http://images.ctv.ca/gallery/photo/amish_gallery_20061003/image12.jpg

i remember hearing about that but dont know all the details

[vasteeler]

I apologize. Is this about HOA's, flags, hillbillys, The Amish, or Lancaster? :noidea:

I'll go. :pout:

amish for now but it could switch at any moment:lol:

[BPS3akaWirels3]

i remember hearing about that but dont know all the details

Don't get me started then.. It really brought this community together..

[BPS3akaWirels3]

amish for now but it could switch at any moment:lol:

You give me any "word" and I'll take you 5 pages of posts into it...

[vasteeler]

Don't get me started then.. It really brought this community together..

i will look it up though you have piqued my curiosity, i havent been to that town in a number of years

[BPS3akaWirels3]

i will look it up though you have piqued my curiosity, i havent been to that town in a number of years

The Amish school shooting was a shooting at the West Nickel Mines School, an Amish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish) one-room schoolhouse (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-room_school) in the Old Order Amish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Order_Amish) community of Nickel Mines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel_Mines), a village in Bart Township (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bart_Township,_Pennsylvania) of Lancaster County (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancaster_County,_Pennsylvania), Pennsylvania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania), on October 2, 2006.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish_school_shooting#cite_note-sandiego-0)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish_school_shooting#cite_note-AP_100206-1)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish_school_shooting#cite_note-cbs-2)[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish_school_shooting#cite_note-3)[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish_school_shooting#cite_note-cnn-4) Gunman Charles Carl Roberts IV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Carl_Roberts) took hostages (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostage) and eventually shot ten girls (aged 6–13), killing five, before committing suicide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide) in the schoolhouse.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish_school_shooting#cite_note-sandiego-0)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish_school_shooting#cite_note-AP_100206-1)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish_school_shooting#cite_note-cbs-2)[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish_school_shooting#cite_note-cnn-4)[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish_school_shooting#cite_note-cnn_100206-5)
The emphasis on forgiveness and reconciliation in the response of the Amish community was widely discussed in the national media. The West Nickel Mines School was torn down, and a new one-room schoolhouse, the New Hope School, was built at another location

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish_school_shooting

[CPanther95]

Speaking of shooting, my Saiga 12 semi-auto 12 gauge shotgun has got to have the worst build quality of any shotgun I've ever owned.

[SteelMember]

Do you remember the schoolhouse massacre back in October 2006?

That was a very sad and sickening story. I think they would have preferred not to have all the publicity.

[Devilsdancefloor]

Geez.. He's a Phillies fan and a Hillbilly... He is half ok then... Not all bad...

nah he is 1/3 ok he is a cryers fan

[solardave]

If that's the HOA bylaws, there's not much you can do.

Only thing they routinely over step is with antennas and satellite dishes. Federal law forbids them from banning any satellite dish under 1 meter, or any antenna - of any size - that is no taller than 12 ft. above the highest point of the home. But many ban them anyway - but it can't be enforced.

HOAs are for Morons who are given power and abuse it. I'd tell them to go fly their flag straight up their collective asses.!!! Personally, I wouldn't live anywhere there is a HOA. For the record. Federal law prohibits regualting Solar or vany other energy saving device as well but they still try. MORONS!!!

[solardave]

agreed, thats why i live in the woods
Amen. No subdivision for me either.

[BPS3akaWirels3]

HOAs are for Morons who are given power and abuse it. I'd tell them to go fly their flag straight up their collective asses.!!! Personally, I wouldn't live anywhere there is a HOA. For the record. Federal law prohibits regualting Solar or any other energy saving device as well but they still try. MORONS!!!

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[BPS3akaWirels3]

Amen. No subdivision for me either.

I couldn't pass of the price and how clean and quiet it is... I have horse and buggies passing by almost everyday..

http://www.danaglassproperties.com/_images/live/Kenworth-09-1_Gallery.jpg

[CPanther95]

Federal law prohibits regualting Solar or vany other energy saving device as well but they still try. MORONS!!!

Sometimes they go too far. There was a case in California where a neighbor was forced to cut down a massive tree in his own yard because it blocked the sun from the solar panels of his neighbor.

[NCSteeler]

Which means you can't stop your neighbor from putting a junker on blocks in his front yard right up to the line with yours.

Let's not get personal here.....LOL.

[Galax Steeler]

agreed, thats why i live in the woods

Me to I love my country life.

[Galax Steeler]

Geez.. He's a Phillies fan and a Hillbilly... He is half ok then... Not all bad...

So what is your point I guess I will have to settle for being half ok as well. I think Buc is jealous deep down he wants to be a Phillie fan but I don't think he will never be a Hillbilly he just ain't the type.LOL

[stlrtruck]

I couldn't pass of the price and how clean and quiet it is... I have horse and buggies passing by almost everyday..

http://www.danaglassproperties.com/_images/live/Kenworth-09-1_Gallery.jpg

:director: ROAD TRIP

By the end of the visit you'll own the entire sub-division, for free.

[BPS3akaWirels3]

:director: ROAD TRIP

By the end of the visit you'll own the entire sub-division, for free.

Your always welcome... You all get to stay in the Steelers room..

[GoSlash27]

Speaking of shooting, my Saiga 12 semi-auto 12 gauge shotgun has got to have the worst build quality of any shotgun I've ever owned.
Well... it's not like the AK platform is known for it's precision, but the Saiga is the highest quality available. Is yours reliable?

[CPanther95]

Well... it's not like the AK platform is known for it's precision, but the Saiga is the highest quality available. Is yours reliable?

Doesn't consistently load from the clip. I now have 4 magazines and only one is fairly reliable. Rounds 2, 3 and 4 typically cycle through fine, but the first and last are hit or miss.

The safety lever is embarrassingly primitive and has virtually no indent for the lever to rest in its safe and off positions, so you end up passing the stops and putting a nice big arcing scratch down to the bare metal.

[stlrtruck]

Your always welcome... You all get to stay in the Steelers room..

Not Buddha, no, not Buddha, he has to sleep outside.

[BPS3akaWirels3]

Not Buddha, no, not Buddha, he has to sleep outside.

I do have a Ratbird fan that lives across the street from me. He owes me still for letting him use my phone one day after he left his keys in the car and it was still running and locked it... lol

Or

He can stay with the neighbor beside me who is a Egirl fan that is a huge AHOLE... It's funny how he willn't put his Egirl flag out anymore since we moved in. Buddha's can pick...

[GoSlash27]

Doesn't consistently load from the clip. I now have 4 magazines and only one is fairly reliable. Rounds 2, 3 and 4 typically cycle through fine, but the first and last are hit or miss.
"Magazine" ;)
Sounds like your mags need some tweaking. That's standard for any manufacturer. I've had to break in the mags for every semiauto firearm I've ever owned.


The safety lever is embarrassingly primitive and has virtually no indent for the lever to rest in its safe and off positions, so you end up passing the stops and putting a nice big arcing scratch down to the bare metal.
Yeah. AKs do that.

[stlrtruck]

I do have a Ratbird fan that lives across the street from me. He owes me still for letting him use my phone one day after he left his keys in the car and it was still running and locked it... lol

Or

He can stay with the neighbor beside me who is a Egirl fan that is a huge AHOLE... It's funny how he willn't put his Egirl flag out anymore since we moved in. Buddha's can pick...

Look Buddha now has two places to stay and can make them smell worse than the HH.