It’s Rams week!

[Rotorhead]

It looks like the Rams will be without their top 2 RBs, so maybe we should be focusing on slowing Krupp and Nacua this week. Also, we need to stop Donald. I don’t know how the rest of their defense is playing, but I would imagine they are decent.

Not sure if DJ will be back, but until Crapnada is gone our offense will be poor, so we will need a big defensive effort once again. Any news on Heyward’s return? Hoping for a big day from TJ with at least 3 sacks and 1FF. Probably going to need in INT as well.

[Mojouw]

Hopefully the Steelers put JPJ on the field a ton against the Rams. He might be the only CB on the roster that can do something against Nacua and Kupp. Atwell has some speed and route running as well. The pass rush will have to win this one for the defense, as the secondary is not well positioned to match-up to the Rams weapons. If Stafford has time, he will find the open guy.

I'm not even gonna bother with the offense. Find a way to score 20+ points. Other than that....

[Shoes]

Dotson seems to be doing well in LA with the team and coaching change. Wish him all the best!

https://steelersdepot.com/2023/10/the-rams-have-turned-kevin-dotson-into-one-of-the-nfls-top-guards/ (https://steelersdepot.com/2023/10/the-rams-have-turned-kevin-dotson-into-one-of-the-nfls-top-guards/)

[DesertSteel]

It looks like the Rams will be without their top 2 RBs
To counter that lack of production, we have Najee Harris, the equivalent of a practice squad back.

[pczach]

Dotson seems to be doing well in LA with the team and coaching change. Wish him all the best!

https://steelersdepot.com/2023/10/the-rams-have-turned-kevin-dotson-into-one-of-the-nfls-top-guards/ (https://steelersdepot.com/2023/10/the-rams-have-turned-kevin-dotson-into-one-of-the-nfls-top-guards/)



I was excited when they drafted Dotson. I really liked him as a player. He played well at the RG when he came in for DeCastro, then the team never gave him a shot.

They said he didn't fit this system, saying he wasn't great in zone blocking schemes and that they were really upgrading the position with his replacements. Then, after Dotson leaves, the coaches start using more of a power scheme because the OL was struggling with the zone blocking scheme. Dotson was built for more power runs. He just took some penalties playing in a system that every offensive lineman appears to be struggling with this season. They traded him away and went with guys that are more like him than different from him. They are maulers, man movers.

The entire time Dotson was here, they never put him in the best position to succeed. So far this season, they aren't putting anybody in a position to succeed. They spent money on "upgrades", but he was actually playing better than his replacements for less money, and is now becoming one of the reasons the Rams' offense is getting difficult to deal with.

Remember when the Steelers used to let good players walk, and they wouldn't do anything on their new teams? Not anymore.

Just another example of having a talented player but not putting him in a position to play great football. It seems that it is becoming a common theme in recent years.

[Rotorhead]

This coaching staff doesn’t understand the concept of putting players in a position to succeed.

[tube517]

Mason Cole needs to be 2022 Mason Cole because this year's version isn't cutting it.

[Mojouw]

I was excited when they drafted Dotson. I really liked him as a player. He played well at the RG when he came in for DeCastro, then the team never gave him a shot.

They said he didn't fit this system, saying he wasn't great in zone blocking schemes and that they were really upgrading the position with his replacements. Then, after Dotson leaves, the coaches start using more of a power scheme because the OL was struggling with the zone blocking scheme. Dotson was built for more power runs. He just took some penalties playing in a system that every offensive lineman appears to be struggling with this season. They traded him away and went with guys that are more like him than different from him. They are maulers, man movers.

The entire time Dotson was here, they never put him in the best position to succeed. So far this season, they aren't putting anybody in a position to succeed. They spent money on "upgrades", but he was actually playing better than his replacements for less money, and is now becoming one of the reasons the Rams' offense is getting difficult to deal with.

Remember when the Steelers used to let good players walk, and they wouldn't do anything on their new teams? Not anymore.

Just another example of having a talented player but not putting him in a position to play great football. It seems that it is becoming a common theme in recent years.

The terrible job that Pat Meyers has done with the offensive line gets lost in all the Canada noise. That guy is a totally over-rated coach who has never been part of good offense. Why he was hired and why he continues to get NFL jobs teaching a series of techniques and blocking styles that his players do not like and do not excel at is far beyond me.

[Edman]

Kendrick Green is becoming a decent Center/Guard instead of the trashfire he was here for the Texans.

We'll said it before and we'll say it again. You cannot get an accurate evaluation on any player on this team until Tomlin and his William & Mary boys' club is replaced. Back then you could definitively say a player was trash, because he was, but more and more we see players leave the Steelers and become better. The Coaching and the offensive system on this team is simply below the NFL line.

[Edman]

Pittsburgh has never won in Los Angeles. With this offense, you cannot be definitively confident going into any matchup this season. Steelers will struggle to a win, or Rams in a blowout.

[El Kabong]

Pittsburgh has never won in Los Angeles. With this offense, you cannot be definitively confident going into any matchup this season. Steelers will struggle to a win, or Rams in a blowout.
The Steelers have NEVER won in Los Angeles? Is that stat just vs. the Rams or is that vs. the Raiders and Chargers too?

[Edman]

The Steelers have NEVER won in Los Angeles? Is that stat just vs. the Rams or is that vs. the Raiders and Chargers too?

They are winless against the Rams in Los Angeles is what I meant. They beat them in St. Louis, though.

[Born2Steel]

Steelers beat the Rams in Pasadena.

[El Kabong]

Steelers beat the Rams in Pasadena.
:tt03:

[Dwinsgames]

am I the ONLY one who notices this reoccurring theme ....

when is the last time we had a good OC ?

when is the last time we had a truly good DC ?

when is the last time we had a Good O-Line coach? ( and how long did we complain we needed one before the last good one got here ???) so one good O-Line coach since 2007 that was here what 3 years and made a lateral move to get out

when is the last time a coach ANY coach got hired away from the steelers for a better coaching pos?

what does Mike Tomlins coaching tree look like ? who is on it anyone ???

the theme here is Tomlin wouldn't know a good football coach if he walked up and bit him in the ass ...

I am becoming more and more convinced cool shades aka Mr Cliche smooth talker has little to no substance as a football coach , once his 1st ballot HoF QB started to slide he could no longer keep his head above water....

Maybe the "He won with Cowhers team" holds some water after all ..... (I've never said that before today)

[Born2Steel]

am I the ONLY one who notices this reoccurring theme ....

when is the last time we had a good OC ?

when is the last time we had a truly good DC ?

when is the last time we had a Good O-Line coach? ( and how long did we complain we needed one before the last good one got here ???) so one good O-Line coach since 2007 that was here what 3 years and made a lateral move to get out

when is the last time a coach ANY coach got hired away from the steelers for a better coaching pos?

what does Mike Tomlins coaching tree look like ? who is on it anyone ???

the theme here is Tomlin wouldn't know a good football coach if he walked up and bit him in the ass ...

I am becoming more and more convinced cool shades aka Mr Cliche smooth talker has little to no substance as a football coach , once his 1st ballot HoF QB started to slide he could no longer keep his head above water....

Maybe the "He won with Cowhers team" holds some water after all ..... (I've never said that before today)

Really man? You could have put this post in any of 100 others about that very thing. Whatever, carry on.

[Mojouw]

Coaching trees are dumb and overrated.

The 2013 Washington coaching staff was basically all future head coaches and coordinators. Some of the current most highly regarded dudes in the league.

They went 3-13 and every single one got fired.

[Dwinsgames]

Really man? You could have put this post in any of 100 others about that very thing. Whatever, carry on.

you do a lot of shit here I dont exactly care for or agree with but I never say anything because where and what you post is your business not mine ... that said from now on I will make mention of it every time ( as this isnt the first time you have been a dick to me ) :jerkit:

make sure you cross every T and dot every i

[86WARD]

Coaching trees are dumb and overrated.

The 2013 Washington coaching staff was basically all future head coaches and coordinators. Some of the current most highly regarded dudes in the league.

They went 3-13 and every single one got fired.

They are very dumb. There’s really only two teams that have a “good coaching tree”. Packers and Niners from the 90s. How’s Bill Belichicks coaching tree look? Lotta branches…all rotted out…

[Mojouw]

They are very dumb. There’s really only two teams that have a “good coaching tree”. Packers and Niners from the 90s. How’s Bill Belichicks coaching tree look? Lotta branches…all rotted out…

Yeah.

And you can just keep following the tree back/up and you end up with everyone being off either Noll, Shula, or Brown with some Lombardi thrown in for spice.

[86WARD]

Rams - 38
Steelers - 12 (1 TD, 2 FG)

[Born2Steel]

you do a lot of shit here I dont exactly care for or agree with but I never say anything because where and what you post is your business not mine ... that said from now on I will make mention of it every time ( as this isnt the first time you have been a dick to me ) :jerkit:

make sure you cross every T and dot every i

As I said in my finish. Whatever, carry on.

[ALLD]

Throw deep to Stallworth!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OSX3Y-EObk

[steel striker]

yeah the Steelers need to play Porter JR and, it sucks that Muuth is out as well. Maybe DJ will have a good game.

[Born2Steel]

If I’m understanding… The Steelers are going to play somewhere they never win, with an offense that can’t score, a defense that can’t stop anyone, and coaches that have no idea how to call plays or choose personnel. And hasn’t the team plane had issues twice this season already? At least we’re coming off the bye.

[Born2Steel]

No expectations. I’m going to watch this game with zero expectations. I hope JPjr plays a lot and I hope we see him get beat some. You can’t learn as a CB if you don’t get beat sometimes. We all know Stafford and Kupp can beat you.

Aaron Donald is coming. Maybe we’ll get to see this OL get mad this week? Give little Ironhead some reps as FB this week and put him straight at AD. He won’t stop him but maybe it will slow him down just enough to get a few passes off.

The Rams backup RBs Freeman and Henderson can burn us for big yards on any down and distance. Freeman is a brute and Henderson is straight line fast. Our LBs should get a great workout tackling these 2.

I do believe the Steelers front can get to Stafford and force a mistake or 2. But they better get there fast. Stafford is a smart QB. Give him time and he just makes you pay.

[El Kabong]

If I’m understanding… The Steelers are going to play somewhere they never win, with an offense that can’t score, a defense that can’t stop anyone, and coaches that have no idea how to call plays or choose personnel. And hasn’t the team plane had issues twice this season already? At least we’re coming off the bye.
I wouldn't say our defense can't stop anyone. Sometimes they can even score themselves.

[Born2Steel]

I wouldn't say our defense can't stop anyone. Sometimes they can even score themselves.

That is what I was thinking too. BUT, apparently, and according to the posters, the entire thing sucks total ass. Bury for 100 years and dig us up at the end.

[86WARD]

Just stick porter on Kupp and see what the kid has.

[Born2Steel]

Just stick porter on Kupp and see what the kid has.

Great plan!

[tube517]

https://www.steelers.com/news/steelers-activate-johnson-make-other-moves

DJ activated
Muth on IR
Gunnar released

Sent from my SM-F711U using Tapatalk

[Mojouw]

https://www.steelers.com/news/steelers-activate-johnson-make-other-moves

DJ activated
Muth on IR
Gunnar released

Sent from my SM-F711U using Tapatalk

https://x.com/Alex_Kozora/status/1704312022232342921?s=20

Two out of three ain’t bad.

[86WARD]

Not what he was signed for.

[Mojouw]

Not what he was signed for.

Perhaps from the team's point of view that is true.

I just really like taking the piss out of the contingent of folks here that was doing cartwheels when PF was drafted and was certain that the team had just added a significant asset in the run game. Remember when people made claims like how the team had just fixed the run game for like the next decade?

The Steelers are a worse rushing team with PF than without him.

He may indeed be a lethal weapon in the passing game. We may never know for sure between Canada and QB play just stifling the offense. But I think it is pretty clear at this point that PF has to look up to see average in the run game.

[86WARD]

Perhaps from the team's point of view that is true.

I just really like taking the piss out of the contingent of folks here that was doing cartwheels when PF was drafted and was certain that the team had just added a significant asset in the run game. Remember when people made claims like how the team had just fixed the run game for like the next decade?

The Steelers are a worse rushing team with PF than without him.

He may indeed be a lethal weapon in the passing game. We may never know for sure between Canada and QB play just stifling the offense. But I think it is pretty clear at this point that PF has to look up to see average in the run game.

Not sure what the expectation was. He was a decent blocker at times at PSU but he wasn’t what would be called an asset to the run game and that’s translated to the NFL. He makes a block here and there, but he’s not Mark Bruener or Heath Miller for this run game. I’m not sure Washington is that either…

[Mojouw]

Not sure what the expectation was. He was a decent blocker at times at PSU but he wasn’t what would be called an asset to the run game and that’s translated to the NFL. He makes a block here and there, but he’s not Mark Bruener or Heath Miller for this run game. I’m not sure Washington is that either…

You can go back and read the post draft and rookie year reactions.

Many were convinced that PF was gonna be a big part of a revived rushing attack. Despite that not being his thing.

Just like how people are sure they’re right about what’s going on now.

Washington isn’t bad but his preNFL hype was ludicrous.

TEs take 2-3 years to transition to the NFL.

[DuckHodges]

i got no expectations. hope for a win, expect nothing

[Steeler-in-west]

To borrow a phrase from Al Davis,

just win baby

(Beat the rams in those gawd awful uniforms)

they should’ve kept Gentry, if they knew PF was Lacking in blocking, and that, they should’ve known

[Dwinsgames]

You can go back and read the post draft and rookie year reactions.

Many were convinced that PF was gonna be a big part of a revived rushing attack. Despite that not being his thing.

Just like how people are sure they’re right about what’s going on now.

Washington isn’t bad but his preNFL hype was ludicrous.

TEs take 2-3 years to transition to the NFL.

to your prior post that led to this one and this one ....

1. if you remember correctly Heath Millers forte was not blocking either when he was drafted in fact it was considered a weakness in his game , but with a real coaching staff he was able to develop that part of his game and become a very good blocker

2. PF looked to be a more athletic version of Miller so there was no reason to not think he could develop the same way

3. you just said it takes 2-3 years for a TE to transition to the NFL and PF has only played a few games into his 3rd year with a historically poor coaching staff

[Mojouw]

to your prior post that led to this one and this one ....

1. if you remember correctly Heath Millers forte was not blocking either when he was drafted in fact it was considered a weakness in his game , but with a real coaching staff he was able to develop that part of his game and become a very good blocker

2. PF looked to be a more athletic version of Miller so there was no reason to not think he could develop the same way

3. you just said it takes 2-3 years for a TE to transition to the NFL and PF has only played a few games into his 3rd year with a historically poor coaching staff

Whatever you need to tell yourself.

PF will never be even an average blocker in the run game.

In fact, I’ll predict that the team doesn’t resign him after his rookie deal.

I believe many of the same coaches improved Gentry as a blocker and little Heyward has made more strides than PF has.

PF is Mike Giesecki with better PR.

[Born2Steel]

Whatever you need to tell yourself.

PF will never be even an average blocker in the run game.

In fact, I’ll predict that the team doesn’t resign him after his rookie deal.

I believe many of the same coaches improved Gentry as a blocker and little Heyward has made more strides than PF has.

PF is Mike Giesecki with better PR.

DAYAM!

[Steeler-in-west]

Perhaps from the team's point of view that is true.

I just really like taking the piss out of the contingent of folks here that was doing cartwheels when PF was drafted and was certain that the team had just added a significant asset in the run game. Remember when people made claims like how the team had just fixed the run game for like the next decade?

The Steelers are a worse rushing team with PF than without him.

He may indeed be a lethal weapon in the passing game. We may never know for sure between Canada and QB play just stifling the offense. But I think it is pretty clear at this point that PF has to look up to see average in the run game.

you keep lumping the QB play with Canadas play design. Which i think is wrong, I know we’ve gone over this before but you keep throwing KP under the bus knowing damn well we have a poor o line, no running game, the worst OC in the league, not to mention every QB has had trouble with Canadas offense.

poor receiver routes and poor o line performance are the main culprits - Haley said it himself, and I’ll take his word over yours.

[Mojouw]

you keep lumping the QB play with Canadas play design. Which i think is wrong, I know we’ve gone over this before but you keep throwing KP under the bus knowing damn well we have a poor o line, no running game, the worst OC in the league, not to mention every QB has had trouble with Canadas offense.

poor receiver routes and poor o line performance are the main culprits - Haley said it himself, and I’ll take his word over yours.

Ok.

And Kurt Warner said KP is making poor decisions and bad reads. Ben Roethlisberger said KP is not navigating the pocket and dealing with the pas rush well.

The offense can be bad AND the players can be bad. It’s the case for most teams in the league.

[Steeler-in-west]

Ok.

And Kurt Warner said KP is making poor decisions and bad reads. Ben Roethlisberger said KP is not navigating the pocket and dealing with the pas rush well.

The offense can be bad AND the players can be bad. It’s the case for most teams in the league.

I think what people are doing is looking at a few plays in a vacuum and putting the blame on a missed open receiver or not hanging in a less than clean pocket a little longer. But they’re not looking at the overall offensive performance. The QB is under constant pressure, has to play catch up, can’t rely on a running game cause there is none. Any QB would start pressing, seeing ghosts, or miss a receiver or two. Warner would probably look bad in this offense too (in fact he might look worse cause of his lack of mobility). We already know Ben didn’t look good in this offense.

I just want to see KP under a better coordinator and better line play before calling him a bad QB

[Mojouw]

I think what people are doing is looking at a few plays in a vacuum and putting the blame on a missed open receiver or not hanging in a less than clean pocket a little longer. But they’re not looking at the overall offensive performance. The QB is under constant pressure, has to play catch up, can’t rely on a running game cause there is none. Any QB would start pressing, seeing ghosts, or miss a receiver or two. Warner would probably look bad in this offense too (in fact he might look worse cause of his lack of mobility). We already know Ben didn’t look good in this offense.

I just want to see KP under a better coordinator and better line play before calling him a bad QB

Sure. It would be nice to see what KP looks like in a system that helps rather than hinders him.

I’m not saying that anyone else would have better results in Canada’s offense. But they might have a better process.

Ben got the ball to the best read more often than not in this crappy system. It still left the Steelers struggling to convert third downs and score points, but he executed the bad design proficiently.

KP is executing a bad design at a bad level. Leaving me to not see a lot to work with in a better system.

Put KP into whatever your favorite current NFL system is. Now have him struggle with pass rush, accuracy/ball placement, and make poor reads a handful or two times per game. Does that end up as a good offense or a less than great offense?

I know the Commanders aren’t exactly a massive defensive hurdle, but the Giants replaced Daniel Jones with Tyrod Taylor and viola - Daboll and Kafka look like good offensive coaches again.

I am by no means saying that replacing the QB makes Canada’s offense work. It would t. It’s awful.

But I am saying that KP does not consistently demonstrate NFL playoff winning QB skills that would allow him to thrive in a better system.

[Edman]

We can look at individual plays and throws Pickett missed, but we can also look at all the easy throws he hit too. Like hitting Pickens in stride in the Cleveland game, or that audible that resulted in beating the Ravens. I can easily cherry pick all the individual good plays and argue that Pickett/Offense is actually good. But we know that isn't the case. The Quarterback isn't to blame when everything else doesn't work.

The individual performances and one negative or positive plays don't form the offense as a whole. It doesn't excuse the poor design of the offense that rarely if ever, puts anyone in position to succeed.

[BlackAndGold]

They just find ways to win. Ugly 3 quarters but the offense looked fantastic in the 4th.

[Mojouw]

They just find ways to win. Ugly 3 quarters but the offense looked fantastic in the 4th.

They looked like a totally different team. It’s like the players and coaches all started trusting each other and focused on executing rather than playcalling.

[BlackAndGold]

They looked like a totally different team. It’s like the players and coaches all started trusting each other and focused on executing rather than playcalling.

Whatever they did, I wish they would do it more.

[86WARD]

They looked like a totally different team. It’s like the players and coaches all started trusting each other and focused on executing rather than playcalling.

How long will it last…that’s the question.

[Born2Steel]

How long will it last…that’s the question.

They can only look totally different once.

[86WARD]

They can only look totally different once.

They could wobble back on to the other side of the fence.

[Dwinsgames]

Whatever you need to tell yourself.

PF will never be even an average blocker in the run game.

In fact, I’ll predict that the team doesn’t resign him after his rookie deal.

I believe many of the same coaches improved Gentry as a blocker and little Heyward has made more strides than PF has.

PF is Mike Giesecki with better PR.

what you really mean is whatever you decide to tell us and argue us into submission with 90 pages of horse shit if need be ....

YOUR WORDS ........it takes 2-3 years for a TE to develop into an NFL player yet 2 years 4 games into Muths career you deem him inadequate

you are so full of yourself your eyes are turning brown .... and you tell me
Whatever you need to tell yourself. not sure what happened to the Mojouw I used to know but this one as of late is a pompous asshole

[tube517]

Secret weapon for yesterday's win:

https://scontent-iad3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/395217669_748017020704218_3775750006535442798_n.jp g?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=5xnhomFizxkAX-ytD0i&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-2.xx&oh=00_AfBKvLENoLZZnPwVmziOzPLhb71JDsYEb5muQVZ_LiqC 7g&oe=653BFB14

Also Haden and Farrior were in attendance.

[pczach]

I know many are down on Pat Freiermuth, but it always amazes me how often people don't understand how good Muth has been in a short period of time. He has been abysmal blocking this year, but he was badly injured in the 49ers game. Teammates were talking about him having difficulty talking after games because of the injury.

Here is what Pat Freiermuth has done in his first two seasons. Not a guy that is a disappointment. Not by a mile.




Has played in 32 career games (17 starts)
Has caught 123 passes for 1,229 yards and nine touchdowns
His 123 receptions are the most by a tight end in franchise history over their first two years in the NFL and sixth-most by a tight end in NFL history over their first two years in the NFL
10th tight end in NFL history to reach 100 career receptions in 25 games or less
Reached 100 career receptions in his 25th game in the NFL, which is the 10th-fewest games needed to reach 100 receptions in NFL history
Reached 1,000 receiving yards in his 26th career games, tied for the fastest by a tight end in franchise history (Eric Green)
His 1,229 receiving yards are the most by a tight end in franchise history over their first two years in the NFL
His nine TD catches are the third-most by a tight end in franchise history over their first two years in the NFL and tied for the ninth-most among tight ends since the start of the 2021 season
Made NFL debut in Week 1 of 2021 (at Buffalo)

https://www.steelers.com/team/players-roster/pat-freiermuth/logs/

[Mojouw]

I know many are down on Pat Freiermuth, but it always amazes me how often people don't understand how good Muth has been in a short period of time. He has been abysmal blocking this year, but he was badly injured in the 49ers game. Teammates were talking about him having difficulty talking after games because of the injury.

Here is what Pat Freiermuth has done in his first two seasons. Not a guy that is a disappointment. Not by a mile.




Has played in 32 career games (17 starts)
Has caught 123 passes for 1,229 yards and nine touchdowns
His 123 receptions are the most by a tight end in franchise history over their first two years in the NFL and sixth-most by a tight end in NFL history over their first two years in the NFL
10th tight end in NFL history to reach 100 career receptions in 25 games or less
Reached 100 career receptions in his 25th game in the NFL, which is the 10th-fewest games needed to reach 100 receptions in NFL history
Reached 1,000 receiving yards in his 26th career games, tied for the fastest by a tight end in franchise history (Eric Green)
His 1,229 receiving yards are the most by a tight end in franchise history over their first two years in the NFL
His nine TD catches are the third-most by a tight end in franchise history over their first two years in the NFL and tied for the ninth-most among tight ends since the start of the 2021 season
Made NFL debut in Week 1 of 2021 (at Buffalo)

https://www.steelers.com/team/players-roster/pat-freiermuth/logs/

He’s a really good receiver. But he’s not able to consistently execute TE things in the run game.

So he’s either got to be viewed and evaluated as a slot WR or he’s got to have a Kelce level impact in the passing game.

Maybe he can put it all together early next season in presumably a better system. Unfortunately this is shaping up to be a lost season for PF.

I think he’s got excellent hands and is developing a real feel for finding soft spots in coverage. But I’ve never really been clear on how to evaluate TEs that don’t help their teams run the ball.

Do we need to see low end WR 2 #’s? Are “good” TE #s enough to have a team be comfortable with the lack of blocking? Or is it a more non-statistical based assessment of “impact” by how the defense responds?

Like I said not sure. But if PF wants Hockenson’s contract, I’m not certain the Steelers are willing to go there with Washington coming up behind PF.

Honestly, I think what the team does at TE is the most interesting non-QB question on the entire offense.

[Hawkman]

Secret weapon for yesterday's win:

https://scontent-iad3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/395217669_748017020704218_3775750006535442798_n.jp g?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=5xnhomFizxkAX-ytD0i&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-2.xx&oh=00_AfBKvLENoLZZnPwVmziOzPLhb71JDsYEb5muQVZ_LiqC 7g&oe=653BFB14

Also Haden and Farrior were in attendance.

That’s Outstanding!! Farrior is one of my all time favorite Steeler. The fact that he comes from my part of the country…..has nothing to do with it.

- - - Updated - - -

Who let Troy on the field?:chuckle:

[pczach]

He’s a really good receiver. But he’s not able to consistently execute TE things in the run game.

So he’s either got to be viewed and evaluated as a slot WR or he’s got to have a Kelce level impact in the passing game.

Maybe he can put it all together early next season in presumably a better system. Unfortunately this is shaping up to be a lost season for PF.

I think he’s got excellent hands and is developing a real feel for finding soft spots in coverage. But I’ve never really been clear on how to evaluate TEs that don’t help their teams run the ball.

Do we need to see low end WR 2 #’s? Are “good” TE #s enough to have a team be comfortable with the lack of blocking? Or is it a more non-statistical based assessment of “impact” by how the defense responds?

Like I said not sure. But if PF wants Hockenson’s contract, I’m not certain the Steelers are willing to go there with Washington coming up behind PF.

Honestly, I think what the team does at TE is the most interesting non-QB question on the entire offense.



There is a very good chance that the team doesn't re-sign him. He is going to be valued pretty high and they may not want to spend that money. Washington's development may be the deciding factor in that as well.

I will say that Muth had been blocking better last season, but after that hit in the 49ers game, he literally looked like he was incapable of it. If that was the case, they probably should have gotten Washington and Heyward more playing time and gotten him some time to heal up. He will never be a good in-line blocker. It's just not who he is as a player.

I just want to see him get back healthy, and possibly be a difference maker for this offense going into the playoffs to add to an offense that has started improving and getting traction. I remain hopeful that it could still happen is spite of my criticism of Canada if they continue to build off of yesterday's performance.

Last season, Muth was the man with games on the line and he became a trusted, go-to guy late in games and when everything broke down. If the offense truly found something yesterday and continue to build on that with a better running game and two WRs that are going to do some damage...adding a player like Muth to that plus the occasional big play from Calvin Austin can really make the team more dangerous.

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There is a very good chance that the team doesn't re-sign him. He is going to be valued pretty high and they may not want to spend that money. Washington's development may be the deciding factor in that as well.

I will say that Muth had been blocking better last season, but after that hit in the 49ers game, he literally looked like he was incapable of it. If that was the case, they probably should have gotten Washington and Heyward more playing time and gotten him some time to heal up. He will never be a good in-line blocker. It's just not who he is as a player.

I just want to see him get back healthy, and possibly be a difference maker for this offense going into the playoffs to add to an offense that has started improving and getting traction. I remain hopeful that it could still happen is spite of my criticism of Canada if they continue to build off of yesterday's performance.

Last season, Muth was the man with games on the line and he became a trusted, go-to guy late in games and when everything broke down. If the offense truly found something yesterday and continue to build on that with a better running game and two WRs that are going to do some damage...adding a player like Muth to that plus the occasional big play from Calvin Austin can really make the team more dangerous.

PF the third down security blanket receiver can definitely have a positive impact on the offense. If it was injury, then that was a bad decision on the team to continue to play him.

There is a larger conversation here as well. Canada continually puts players in positions where they have demonstrated that they are not going to succeed. Aside from Gunnar O being asked to lead block on running plays...there is a lot of players being tasked with things that they "should" be capable of doing, but they keep showing that they can not do it consistently. This is why I should admit that we may never truly know what PF's issue(s) with blocking are. Canada keeps asking him to do things that are not outside of reason for a TE to accomplish but are outside of PF's demonstrated capabilities.

Despite recent investments at the position....the bar for Steelers TE's remains pretty low. It is a troubling statement that Gentry was viewed as the best blocking TE on the entire roster and once he got let go, he struggled to find work in the NFL. Considering that experienced and capable TEs (especially those that block) are in exceedingly short supply across the league, it is pretty sobering reality on the state of the position group overall for the Steelers.

The statement that "He will never be a good in-line blocker." is my only actual known point about PF. The rest is not clear. If he can continue to develop as a passing game weapon than it may not matter that he isn't blocking anyone. Especially if he can ramp up the # of coverage breaking "big plays" he puts out. It's a tall order but entirely possible.

It will be interesting no matter what to see how the Steelers value the position moving forward. Would they be willing to pay PF and Washington almost back to back? Is Heyward a guy you like to have around but only on a cheap rookie deal and when you would have to actually pay him, he's a luxury you can't afford?