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BlackAndGold
04-27-2023, 08:49 PM
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Devilsdancefloor
04-27-2023, 08:52 PM
I like it!

polamalubeast
04-27-2023, 08:53 PM
He was the 3rd best O-lineman according to CBS of this draft.....

DuckHodges
04-27-2023, 08:54 PM
What did they trade to move up? I like the investment in OL though

Mojouw
04-27-2023, 08:54 PM
If they are right in their evaluation that he’s a significantly better LT than Moore, it will have a positive cascade for the entire offense.

If they’re wrong and he’s the Kendrick Greene of OTs, Moore is still under contract.

One of the most risk buffered first round picks they’ve ever made.

steelreserve
04-27-2023, 08:54 PM
Trading up to take an offensive lineman was probably my least favorite of almost any possible outcome.

polamalubeast
04-27-2023, 08:56 PM
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What did they trade to move up? I like the investment in OL though

the 120 pick of this year....

Crossdog
04-27-2023, 08:56 PM
Great pick, and they still have 32 and 49.

Mojouw
04-27-2023, 08:58 PM
Kahn and Wiedl haven’t strayed too far from the Colbert blueprint.

Young? Check redshirt sophomore. I think he was the youngest tackle in the class?

Power 5? Yup.

Production in limited starts? Yes.

Massive athletic traits upside? Yes.

More things change….

polamalubeast
04-27-2023, 08:59 PM
Kahn and Wiedl haven’t strayed too far from the Colbert blueprint.

Young? Check redshirt sophomore. I think he was the youngest tackle in the class?

Power 5? Yup.

Production in limited starts? Yes.

Massive athletic traits upside? Yes.

More things change….

but the thing who have changed this is a trade up....Outside of 2019,it never happened between 2007 to 2022

polamalubeast
04-27-2023, 09:05 PM
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Steeler-in-west
04-27-2023, 09:06 PM
Great pick. LT was the weak link in the line. Now maybe KP will have more time to go deep

86WARD
04-27-2023, 09:06 PM
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GBMelBlount
04-27-2023, 09:33 PM
So Glad we picked Jones and have a top-tier tackle. The most important piece on offense to support Pickett and the offense as a whole imo. The 4th round pick to move up is acceptable given the circumstances.

Round 2 hoping for an edge rusher and then a cornerback. We lost just about every game when TJ was out last year and while we lost Sutton, cornerback is fairly deep.

polamalubeast
04-27-2023, 09:38 PM
The funny thing,Dulac was wrong again!

https://steelersdepot.com/2023/04/dulac-if-steelers-trade-up-itd-be-for-a-top-cornerback/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Edman
04-27-2023, 09:42 PM
The Steelers were clearly shell-shocked from the Ben years and didn't want to do the same thing with Pickett. They want to give him as much protection as possible.

DuckHodges
04-27-2023, 09:47 PM
The Steelers were clearly shell-shocked from the Ben years and didn't want to do the same thing with Pickett. They want to give him as much protection as possible.

Ben weighed 260+ pounds and could handle punishment. Kenny under the same duress wouldn't last 6 years before having to call it a career

BlackAndGold
04-27-2023, 09:51 PM
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https://twitter.com/BrandonThornNFL/status/1651766033554743299



@BrandonThornNFLSteelers fans, you got arguably the most physically talented OL in the class in Broderick Jones (size-power-AA). He is raw, young and inexperienced, but got progressively better in 2022 with his best football likely ahead of him.

Mojouw
04-27-2023, 09:58 PM
but the thing who have changed this is a trade up....Outside of 2019,it never happened between 2007 to 2022

Noted. But he checks all their typical first round boxes.

polamalubeast
04-27-2023, 09:58 PM
Noted. But he checks all their typical first round boxes.

true

Mojouw
04-27-2023, 10:00 PM
1651766033554743299

https://twitter.com/BrandonThornNFL/status/1651766033554743299

I’m warming up to this pick. A lot. They need a tackle no matter what. They only have 3 rostered and the dirtball they have as the #3 just isn’t good enough

Edman
04-27-2023, 10:37 PM
So they traded up to draft a "raw" guy who may or may not be ready. Nice.

DesertSteel
04-27-2023, 10:58 PM
the 120 pick of this year....
When they showed the trade on ESPN, it said the 4th round pick was in 2024. Did that get updated to 2023?

polamalubeast
04-27-2023, 11:00 PM
When they showed the trade on ESPN, it said the 4th round pick was in 2024. Did that get updated to 2023?

They said it was for the 120th overall pick,so this is this year

DesertSteel
04-27-2023, 11:01 PM
His hands are 10 5/8!!!

FordFairLane
04-27-2023, 11:06 PM
Extremely happy with the player. I understand trading up because the trade value was phenomenal and imo got the best LT prospect in the draft. #32 is going to be huge trade bait as there’s a lot of good players left and the Steelers have their choice. I sit tight unless I get a 2024 first and a 2023 day two pick.

Rotorhead
04-28-2023, 12:00 AM
My only wish was us getting an OT, CB and ILB with our first 3 picks (in no particular order). So far we got a day 1 starting OT, have the opportunity to get a day 1 starting CB. If they do get a CB (JPJ is my preference) tomorrow with the 32nd pick, I am happy no matter who else we draft.

Shoes
04-28-2023, 12:02 AM
Good pick, good call from Daniel Jeremiah.

https://steelersdepot.com/2023/04/daniel-jeremiah-gives-steelers-top-ot-in-final-nfl-com-mock-draft/ (https://steelersdepot.com/2023/04/daniel-jeremiah-gives-steelers-top-ot-in-final-nfl-com-mock-draft/)

Edman
04-28-2023, 12:04 AM
The Pick really dulled me at first, but I understand the reasoning behind it and JP Junior fell to Day 2. So there is a chance to get someone to keep up with the receivers of the AFC.

DuckHodges
04-28-2023, 12:12 AM
His hands are 10 5/8!!!

can he play quarterback? :chuckle:

stillers4me
04-28-2023, 05:15 AM
Why did we trade up? Apparently, the Jets were ready to take him ahead of us. NE* trading with us allowed them to screw over the Jets, they still got their guy at 17, and with the extra 4th round pick, Belichick will probably draft their next HOF QB. Classic Darth Hoodie. :lol:

stillers4me
04-28-2023, 05:26 AM
All this hope and then I remember that Matt Canada is still our OC. :frusty:

pczach
04-28-2023, 05:54 AM
His hands are 10 5/8!!!



Imagine how many holding penalties you can get with those hands!!!


:grin:

FordFairLane
04-28-2023, 07:04 AM
Great pick. I thought DB was the pick. Jones is long, athletic and has a mean streak. I think this pushes Moore to fight it out at RT with Chuks and that competition hopefully solidifies the right side.

Moose
04-28-2023, 09:41 AM
I like the pick. I do believe that OFFENSE is the way to go in the future. WE NEED TO SCORE MORE POINTS !! Defense used to win games, but with the nee style of QBs { running| scoring points every possession is key. GO STEELERS

EzraTank
04-28-2023, 09:44 AM
His hands are 10 5/8!!!

Maybe Pickett can play LT and he can QB?

Seriously no one EVER falls in love with OL picks because they are not flashy in the trench guys, but LT is a huge position. I just hope the kid has character and a work ethic to get better that is my only concern. If you look at a lot of the kids drafted real early they all came from strong families, were well spoken and humble (at least in their interviews). Jones flashing up the peace signs ... meh but I may be reading way too much into it after watching AB melt down.

One thing is sure the Eagles are going to have an INSANE pass rush.

SteelMember
04-28-2023, 09:46 AM
I like it!

DesertSteel
04-28-2023, 09:54 AM
I thought for sure when the trade happened that they were going to take Gonzalez. I'm happy with Brod, put would have liked Gonz too. Now that JPJ is there at 32, I'd be ecstatic if we passed on trade offers and took him. Starting LT and CB in the same draft? That's a win.

Dwinsgames
04-28-2023, 09:58 AM
Why did we trade up? Apparently, the Jets were ready to take him ahead of us. NE* trading with us allowed them to screw over the Jets, they still got their guy at 17, and with the extra 4th round pick, Belichick will probably draft their next HOF QB. Classic Darth Hoodie. :lol:

top 12 player in almost every credible mock I seen , my personal favorite OT in the draft have said it many times , just a kid yet Birthday is same day as mine LOL turns 22 on May 16th
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Steelerette
04-28-2023, 10:12 AM
Well, I wasn't excited about the prospect of Broderick. He's a great pass blocker but struggles in run blocking and might need to play Guard in his career. It didn't seem to match what we were doing. But now that he's a Steeler, I'm his biggest fan and I hope he proves out the trust the front office has put on him!

When there's a guy, almost in reach, who matches what you're trying to do - you go up and get that guy. Now let's shore up the secondary and call it a draft.

SteelMember
04-28-2023, 10:28 AM
I thought for sure when the trade happened that they were going to take Gonzalez. I'm happy with Brod, put would have liked Gonz too. Now that JPJ is there at 32, I'd be ecstatic if we passed on trade offers and took him. Starting LT and CB in the same draft? That's a win.

I think it was a simple matter of numbers...

There are many more good CB options than OT options after the 1st round.
If they thought OT was the biggest need, and they probably should have imo, they need to push Moore with quality competition.
To do that after the 1st round would get very limited. Bergeron, Mauch, Breeland possibly. After that, you'd have to be very lucky and have great evaluation.

Dwinsgames
04-28-2023, 10:39 AM
Well, I wasn't excited about the prospect of Broderick. He's a great pass blocker but struggles in run blocking and might need to play Guard in his career. It didn't seem to match what we were doing. But now that he's a Steeler, I'm his biggest fan and I hope he proves out the trust the front office has put on him!

When there's a guy, almost in reach, who matches what you're trying to do - you go up and get that guy. Now let's shore up the secondary and call it a draft.

day 1 starter at LT period and he struggles to run block ?? I suggest you watch him play

Steelerette
04-28-2023, 10:47 AM
I've watched him play. I've seen countless Georgia games. He's a great pass blocker but struggles in run blocking, which he needs to develop or he could be forced inside. The upside here is that he's still on the young side with plenty of room for that development to occur.

This is also a pretty safe pick - as the roster currently sits they're not *desperate* for him to be a Day 1 starter, so it'll happen when he's ready. Or when someone gets hurt, of course.

dislocatedday
04-28-2023, 10:50 AM
I can't understand why some are disappointed in the Steelers drafting of Broderick Jones. I've heard over and over through the years coaches say that after QB, LT is the most important position on an offense. While the Steelers line improved last year, and did not look like the dumpster fire I thought it would be at the start of the season, the left side of the line seemed to be having the most problems. The Steelers likely now have a new starting LT and LG, and this could bring massive improvement across the whole offense. The last thing the Steelers likely want is for Kenny to be under constant pressure and duress, and taking a ton of hits. The Colts failed to protect Andrew Luck, and that helped send him into early retirement. This also helps Najee and the running game. How many times did we see, particularly early on last year, where Najee was getting hit in the backfield almost as soon as he touched the ball? Finally, if the offense can better sustain drives then the defense is not on the field so much, which helps them tremendously. People would talk about the defense collapsing in games last year, but I think they were just on the field way too much from all the 3 and outs, and that takes a toll as games progress into the 4th quarter.

Yeah, we still have Matt Canada as OC, and that is a concern............but he is not going to have any excuses going forward for this offense to not take a massive leap forward this upcoming season.

GBMelBlount
04-28-2023, 10:51 AM
Here is a nice breakdown on him that might lessen some of Steelerette's concerns.

Like you said he seems to be young, raw and athletic with a lot of upside.

Did I also see somewhere that he did not allow a sack last year?

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2023/4/28/23701812/broderick-jones-left-tackle-steelers-fans-nfl-draft-news

Steelerette
04-28-2023, 10:53 AM
I can't understand why some are disappointed in the Steelers drafting of Broderick Jones. I've heard over and over through the years coaches say that after QB, LT is the most important position on an offense. While the Steelers line improved last year, and did not look like the dumpster fire I thought it would be at the start of the season, the left side of the line seemed to be having the most problems. The Steelers likely now have a new starting LT and LG, and this could bring massive improvement across the whole offense. The last thing the Steelers likely want is for Kenny to be under constant pressure and duress, and taking a ton of hits. The Colts failed to protect Andrew Luck, and that helped send him into early retirement. This also helps Najee and the running game. How many times did we see, particularly early on last year, where Najee was getting hit in the backfield almost as soon as he touched the ball? Finally, if the offense can better sustain drives then the defense is not on the field so much, which helps them tremendously. People would talk about the defense collapsing in games last year, but I think they were just on the field way too much from all the 3 and outs, and that takes a toll as games progress into the 4th quarter.

Yeah, we still have Matt Canada as OC, and that is a concern............but he is not going to have any excuses going forward for this offense to not take a massive leap forward this upcoming season.
I'm not disappointed at all. Just didn't perceive his set of strengths to match what we are doing. But now I'm his biggest fan. Not even against the trade-up (even though I hate giving capital to the Cheats) - if you determine someone is your guy, you go get him.

Steelerette
04-28-2023, 11:01 AM
Here is a nice breakdown on him that might lessen some of Steelerette's concerns.

Like you said he seems to be young, raw and athletic with a lot of upside.

Did I also see somewhere that he did not allow a sack last year?

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2023/4/28/23701812/broderick-jones-left-tackle-steelers-fans-nfl-draft-news
If his technique comes together enough for him to become a solid NFL run blocker, then Dan Moore can go over to the right side, where he should be a lot more effective. Right now he has some leverage and placement issues that are going to leave run lanes susceptible to being clogged. But if it all works out, we'll likely say goodbye to Chuks' salary next offseason and be looking for another backup Tackle.

Broderick has a higher ceiling than the other OT in the draft, but that's assuming some faith in the Steelers' O-line coaching to develop him. At the very least, we're not *desperate* for him to start right away, which should help immensely.

ALLD
04-28-2023, 11:03 AM
Maybe they could have brought back Max Starks?

Dwinsgames
04-28-2023, 11:04 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfqa2NaiCIY&ab_channel=SteelerNationHighli ghts

polamalubeast
04-28-2023, 11:05 AM
My favorite stats on him...Btw,it was Moore and Dotson(not Chucks)


Broderick Jones -- 0 holding penalties, 1 false start in his collegiate career. Moore and Chuks combined for 20 penalties in 2022.

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Steelerette
04-28-2023, 11:08 AM
While that's a fun stat, the game is about to get a lot harder. I hope Pat Meyer is up to the task!

DesertSteel
04-28-2023, 11:14 AM
No sacks and no holding penalties against SEC edge rushers. Not too shabby.

dislocatedday
04-28-2023, 11:54 AM
I'm not disappointed at all. Just didn't perceive his set of strengths to match what we are doing. But now I'm his biggest fan. Not even against the trade-up (even though I hate giving capital to the Cheats) - if you determine someone is your guy, you go get him.

I apologize if it seemed like I was targeting you specifically with my post. It was a more general observation. I've seen some chatter in various other threads here at Steelers Universe and other forums where some fans seem to be disappointed and can't believe the Steelers did not choose a defensive player in the 1st round.

Steelerette
04-28-2023, 12:01 PM
Well, this whole offseason has been heavily focused on the O-line. The work continues, and I don't think anyone should be surprised we went OT, even if it wasn't their preference. As for the player, Broderick has a higher ceiling than Paris, but needs work on hand placement and run block leverage. Let's see if our coaching can get it done!

I have a feeling we're getting our Defensive player in... about six hours.

SteelMember
04-28-2023, 03:22 PM
Source: Poor Visit Led Steelers to Pass on Christian Gonzalez (https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers/news/source-poor-visit-led-steelers-to-pass-on-christian-gonzalez)

86WARD
04-28-2023, 03:34 PM
Source: Poor Visit Led Steelers to Pass on Christian Gonzalez (https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers/news/source-poor-visit-led-steelers-to-pass-on-christian-gonzalez)

They mentioned similar during the draft and this might be why “16 teams” passes on him…

Mojouw
04-28-2023, 03:36 PM
Source: Poor Visit Led Steelers to Pass on Christian Gonzalez (https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers/news/source-poor-visit-led-steelers-to-pass-on-christian-gonzalez)

That very well may be true. But it kinda smells like BS. I don't think players are usually at the team facility during the visit sessions. Could be wrong....but I suspect Minkah isn't even in Pittsburgh right now.

BlackAndGold
04-28-2023, 04:11 PM
#77 for Jones.

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https://twitter.com/steelers/status/1652046275527712776

lipps83
04-28-2023, 06:16 PM
He chose 77 to honor his teammate that has passed away.

Pretty cool. I am rooting even harder for him to succeed now.

Psycho Ward 86
04-28-2023, 07:00 PM
Broderick allowed 0 sacks in 2022

Also only had 0 holding calls for his college CAREER. And only 1 false start penalty in 2022 to boot in a nasty conference. Wow...just wow

Rotorhead
04-28-2023, 08:38 PM
Broderick allowed 0 sacks in 2022

Also only had 0 holding calls for his college CAREER. And only 1 holding penalty in 2022 to boot in a nasty conference. Wow...just wow

I just have to ask, how does one have 0 holding calls but 1 holding penalty?

lipps83
04-28-2023, 09:13 PM
I just have to ask, how does one have 0 holding calls but 1 holding penalty?

Beer?

pczach
04-28-2023, 09:57 PM
Beer?



Yes, I'll have one. Thank you very much.

DesertSteel
05-01-2023, 11:42 AM
Jones looks like an athlete and not a fat slob, like some (most) o-lineman. I hope he lines up at LT in week one.

Dwinsgames
05-01-2023, 11:45 AM
Jones looks like an athlete and not a fat slob, like some (most) o-lineman. I hope he lines up at LT in week one.

I have no doubt that he will .......

Dan Moore being the 1st tackle off the bench is a huge upgrade over what we have had too so its a win win ........

Psycho Ward 86
05-01-2023, 05:16 PM
I just have to ask, how does one have 0 holding calls but 1 holding penalty?

Fixed the typo on my part! 0 holding calls for his career, 1 false start in 2022

JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue
05-01-2023, 05:39 PM
Fixed the typo on my part! 0 holding calls for his career, 1 false start in 2022 There should be some kinda award for that. Impressive!

DesertSteel
05-01-2023, 06:33 PM
There should be some kinda award for that. Impressive!
For fixing a typo? I agree. Rarely do people go back and fix them.

GBMelBlount
05-01-2023, 06:44 PM
For fixing a typo? I agree. Rarely do people go back and fix them.

:rofl2:

polamalubeast
05-02-2023, 07:23 PM
But according to the Washington Post’s Jason La Canfora, Patriots head coach Bill Belichick’s motivation for swapping picks and only getting back an additional fourth-rounder was much more vindictive than what meets the eye.

“They should have had to give up a [third-rounder] and not a four to move up there,” an anonymous NFL general manager told La Canfora. “Belichick did it just to f--- the Jets. He sold low because he knew the Steelers were going to take the kid the Jets wanted to take. … I think the trade totally blindsided them. They were scrambling.”

Another anonymous executive told La Canfora Belichick knew exactly what he was doing, stating, “Bill will try to screw them over any chance he gets.”

more

https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/insider_says_patriots_steelers_trade_was_done_just _to_torment_jets/s1_13132_38771374?utm_medium=feed&utm_source=sportspyder

pczach
05-02-2023, 07:30 PM
But according to the Washington Post’s Jason La Canfora, Patriots head coach Bill Belichick’s motivation for swapping picks and only getting back an additional fourth-rounder was much more vindictive than what meets the eye.

“They should have had to give up a [third-rounder] and not a four to move up there,” an anonymous NFL general manager told La Canfora. “Belichick did it just to f--- the Jets. He sold low because he knew the Steelers were going to take the kid the Jets wanted to take. … I think the trade totally blindsided them. They were scrambling.”

Another anonymous executive told La Canfora Belichick knew exactly what he was doing, stating, “Bill will try to screw them over any chance he gets.”

more

https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/insider_says_patriots_steelers_trade_was_done_just _to_torment_jets/s1_13132_38771374?utm_medium=feed&utm_source=sportspyder




I've said the same thing in multiple posts here since the draft. The compensation to move up should have been more, but Belichick wanted to stick it to the Jets.

Thank you Darth Hoodie!

BlackAndGold
05-02-2023, 07:37 PM
Belichicks pettiness towards his rivals is unmatched, and personally, I love it.

DuckHodges
05-02-2023, 08:05 PM
Belichicks pettiness towards his rivals is unmatched, and personally, I love it.

Works out for us!

86WARD
05-04-2023, 07:07 AM
Belichicks pettiness towards his rivals is unmatched, and personally, I love it.

I like it. I’d do the same thing to a rival and I would hope the Steelers would do the same…

fansince'76
05-04-2023, 07:17 AM
But according to the Washington Post’s Jason La Canfora, Patriots head coach Bill Belichick’s motivation for swapping picks and only getting back an additional fourth-rounder was much more vindictive than what meets the eye.

“They should have had to give up a [third-rounder] and not a four to move up there,” an anonymous NFL general manager told La Canfora. “Belichick did it just to f--- the Jets. He sold low because he knew the Steelers were going to take the kid the Jets wanted to take. … I think the trade totally blindsided them. They were scrambling.”

Another anonymous executive told La Canfora Belichick knew exactly what he was doing, stating, “Bill will try to screw them over any chance he gets.”

more

https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/insider_says_patriots_steelers_trade_was_done_just _to_torment_jets/s1_13132_38771374?utm_medium=feed&utm_source=sportspyder

Almost 16 years after Mangini narced on them for cheating. But yeah, tell me again how there was "nothing" to Spygate. :coffee:


Thank you Darth Hoodie!

Is that really an appropriate nick anymore? After all, he hasn't won dick since the exalted Saint Brady left.

pczach
05-04-2023, 08:19 AM
Almost 16 years after Mangini narced on them for cheating. But yeah, tell me again how there was "nothing" to Spygate. :coffee:



Is that really an appropriate nick anymore? After all, he hasn't won dick since the exalted Saint Brady left.





You're right. I hadn't given it much thought. Just went with the old standby.


https://media.giphy.com/media/K9yzeKyvvva9i/giphy.gif

Dreegking
05-11-2023, 04:48 AM
But according to the Washington Post’s Jason La Canfora, Patriots head coach Bill Belichick’s motivation for swapping picks and only getting back an additional fourth-rounder was much more vindictive than what meets the eye.

“They should have had to give up a [third-rounder] and not a four to move up there,” an anonymous NFL general manager told La Canfora. “Belichick did it just to f--- the Jets. He sold low because he knew the Steelers were going to take the kid the Jets wanted to take. … I think the trade totally blindsided them. They were scrambling.”

Another anonymous executive told La Canfora Belichick knew exactly what he was doing, stating, “Bill will try to screw them over any chance he gets.”

more

https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/insider_says_patriots_steelers_trade_was_done_just _to_torment_jets/s1_13132_38771374?utm_medium=feed&utm_source=sportspyder

I like yardbarker but other tables have the Grade and exchange of picks favouring the Patriots. So… quibbling when there’s support each way means it was fair I guess. I’m glad to know.

GBMelBlount
06-26-2023, 12:07 PM
It looks like Moore may have improved in the offseason while Broderick Jones is being pegged by some as a disappointment coming out of mini-camp.

Being positive, Moore end up becoming a decent starter and Jones may just need time to develop due to being so young and inexperienced. It is early.

Thoughts?

pczach
06-26-2023, 01:21 PM
It looks like Moore may have improved in the offseason while Broderick Jones is being pegged by some as a disappointment coming out of mini-camp.

Being positive, Moore end up becoming a decent starter and Jones may just need time to develop due to being so young and inexperienced. It is early.

Thoughts?




There is simply not enough information to know. We have yet to see Jones in a Steelers uniform under real football conditions. He just signed his contract a few days ago.

I think there is a very good possibility that Dan Moore has improved. It's what I expected. I have heard that he is attacking his preparation for this season differently. Sometimes drafting a guy to be a player's replacement can motivate that player to take his preparation to a different level. That is what I have heard about Moore. Is it true? Who knows. We'll find out more in a few weeks.

As for Jones. I still think it's a good move to draft a very talented, very young player at a premium position. It appears he is already making current players better. :chuckle:

I think we have to just let it play out and see how Jones plays. Who knows...drafting Jones may actually push Okorafor off the roster. Okorafor is making a lot more money than Moore is.

All I know is that there is a lot of stuff to be worked out in camp and in preseason games. Can Moore kick over to RT? Can Jones show he is ready to take over at LT? Or even RT? Nobody knows those answers yet, but I am looking forward to some of those battles and the growth we will see with certain players.

Dwinsgames
06-26-2023, 01:54 PM
There is simply not enough information to know. We have yet to see Jones in a Steelers uniform under real football conditions. He just signed his contract a few days ago.

I think there is a very good possibility that Dan Moore has improved. It's what I expected. I have heard that he is attacking his preparation for this season differently. Sometimes drafting a guy to be a player's replacement can motivate that player to take his preparation to a different level. That is what I have heard about Moore. Is it true? Who knows. We'll find out more in a few weeks.

As for Jones. I still think it's a good move to draft a very talented, very young player at a premium position. It appears he is already making current players better. :chuckle:

I think we have to just let it play out and see how Jones plays. Who knows...drafting Jones may actually push Okorafor off the roster. Okorafor is making a lot more money than Moore is.

All I know is that there is a lot of stuff to be worked out in camp and in preseason games. Can Moore kick over to RT? Can Jones show he is ready to take over at LT? Or even RT? Nobody knows those answers yet, but I am looking forward to some of those battles and the growth we will see with certain players.

to lazy to go look it up but if memory serves ( and it may not , this old man shit sucks ) but it seems like Chuks contract made him uncuttable ( or basically so ) until his final year ?

pczach
06-26-2023, 08:55 PM
to lazy to go look it up but if memory serves ( and it may not , this old man shit sucks ) but it seems like Chuks contract made him uncuttable ( or basically so ) until his final year ?



I'm not even saying it would be immediately. It's a future move they can make if Jones is the real deal and Moore turns into a viable LT or very good RT in the league.

Anyway, we know nothing yet and it's so far off that I'm not even worrying about it yet.

Orion
06-27-2023, 02:17 AM
to lazy to go look it up but if memory serves ( and it may not , this old man shit sucks ) but it seems like Chuks contract made him uncuttable ( or basically so ) until his final year ?
yep..chuks aint going anywhere. he had a 4 million roster bonus paid to him on march 19. he would be a 10.16 million dead cap to cut him this year.

Contract Notes:

2023 Roster Bonus: $4M (3/19/2023)
2024 Roster Bonus: $4M (5th league day of 2024)

hawaiiansteeler
12-27-2023, 03:00 PM
Jones is struggling in pass protection:

PICK NO. 14: PITTSBURGH STEELERS: OT BRODERICK JONES

Overall Rookie Grade: 60.6 (Rank: 2/8)
Principal Opponent: Sam Hubbard
Week 16 Snaps: 59
Week 16 Grade: 59.6

Jones struggled in pass protection for the second consecutive week. While he allowed just two pressures, he was beaten on three other occasions and posted a 32.0 pass-blocking grade on true pass sets. Since he moved to right tackle in Week 8, Jones carries a 38.5 pass-blocking grade on true pass sets, a bottom-10 mark among qualified tackles.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-grading-all-first-round-picks-week-16-2023-nfl-season

DesertSteel
12-27-2023, 03:30 PM
I'm not worried about Jones. Hopefully he moves over to LT next season.

Voice of Reason
12-28-2023, 01:15 AM
While he allowed just two pressures, he was beaten on three other occasions

I'm confused. If the "three other occasions" he was "beaten" on didn't result in any pressure on the QB, then what's the problem?

It seems to me that an OL who allows only two pressures and no sacks on the QB for an entire game has done pretty well.

hawaiiansteeler
12-28-2023, 07:54 PM
Are The Steelers Going Down The Kevin Dotson Path With Broderick Jones?

by Alex Kozora
Dec. 28. 2023

https://steelersdepot.com/2023/12/are-the-steelers-going-down-the-kevin-dotson-path-with-broderick-jones/

El-Gonzo Jackson
12-29-2023, 10:57 AM
I'm confused. If the "three other occasions" he was "beaten" on didn't result in any pressure on the QB, then what's the problem?

It seems to me that an OL who allows only two pressures and no sacks on the QB for an entire game has done pretty well.

Glass half full/half empty doesnt get any clicks. Easier to try and make an argument that the glass is defective and will never work.

I think that for OT, to enter the league at RT and get accustomed to the speed and stunts of NFL pass rushing is better than just putting a rookie at the blind side as LT to get possibly overwhelmed by the situation. Jones struggled at LT in the preseason, so IMO getting in later in the season at RT and possibly starting over at LT in training camp this summer is a good progression for him.

Its an instant success world the people expect. The "this player is great" to "this player sucks and needs to be benched" commentary only takes a few weeks. Ask Josh Dobbs, Sam Howell and Tommy DeVito.

tube517
12-30-2023, 03:42 PM
Glass half full/half empty doesnt get any clicks. Easier to try and make an argument that the glass is defective and will never work.

I think that for OT, to enter the league at RT and get accustomed to the speed and stunts of NFL pass rushing is better than just putting a rookie at the blind side as LT to get possibly overwhelmed by the situation. Jones struggled at LT in the preseason, so IMO getting in later in the season at RT and possibly starting over at LT in training camp this summer is a good progression for him.

Its an instant success world the people expect. The "this player is great" to "this player sucks and needs to be benched" commentary only takes a few weeks. Ask Josh Dobbs, Sam Howell and Tommy DeVito.

Wait Tommy Devito is the GOAT.

El-Gonzo Jackson
12-30-2023, 07:12 PM
Wait Tommy Devito is the GOAT. Maybe he will get past the chicken parm, agent in pinstripes gimmicks and be a long term NFL QB.

I hope DeVito has long term success and am still very optimistic that Broderick Jones will have long term success, despite what some keyboard warriors are trying to portray 10 games into a rookies career.

Rocky Mtn.
12-30-2023, 07:57 PM
Maybe he will get past the chicken parm, agent in pinstripes gimmicks and be a long term NFL QB.

I hope DeVito has long term success and am still very optimistic that Broderick Jones will have long term success, despite what some keyboard warriors are trying to portray 10 games into a rookies career.Personally, I hope Jones has long term success . I'm indifferent to DeVito unless he would end up on the Steelers roster.

pczach
12-30-2023, 09:38 PM
Maybe he will get past the chicken parm, agent in pinstripes gimmicks and be a long term NFL QB.

I hope DeVito has long term success and am still very optimistic that Broderick Jones will have long term success, despite what some keyboard warriors are trying to portray 10 games into a rookies career.



Clearly it's over for Broderick Jones. He'll be cleaning toilets for a living very shortly. :sarcasm2:

El-Gonzo Jackson
01-02-2024, 10:15 PM
Just curious, are they still throwing dirt on Broderick Jones grave for clicks this week?