Steelers sign free agent guard Isaac Seumalo to a 3 year deal

[BlackAndGold]

Former Eagles starting right guard

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The Andy Weidl connection, again.

[BlackAndGold]

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[Bluecoat96]

Dude, I don't know how to take all of this free agency movement. [emoji23]

Really pleased to see Khan and Weidl not messing around.

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[DuckHodges]

very good signing. our interior OL is set from here.

[BlackAndGold]

Being physical at the LOS/running the football is going to be the identity of this team.

[Born2Steel]

Seumalo is a C/G that has been an OG in the pros but was an OC in college. I think Green is gone, I think Hassenauer is gone. The IOL looks fantastic right now. Drafting Tackles.

[DesertSteel]

Pleasant Surprise!!

[polamalubeast]

To be honest I don't know who he is but he seems to be very good...A lock to be a starter in 2023?

[polamalubeast]

Yeah,he is likely a lock to be a starter!...Now we need to improve the tackle position!

[86WARD]

Happy with this one. Played well last year. Don’t remember why he didnt play in 2021…

[polamalubeast]

Happy with this one. Played well last year. Don’t remember why he didnt play in 2021…

Injuries maybe?

[Dwinsgames]

I like it ... building from the inside out ............. Dotson has just become 1st man up off the Bench and our Line just got a lot better say bye buy to Dud Green

[polamalubeast]

3 years,24 millions....

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[Psycho Ward 86]

3 years,24 millions....

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thats a good deal for a Probowl alternate guard

[86WARD]

He grades out pretty good too.

[oneforthetoe]

Pleasantly surprised.

Starting O'line and back-ups taking shape
Chuks, Daniels, Cole, Seumalo, Moore.

Back-up center - Herberg ,Seumalo (maybe Hassenauer)
Back-up guard - Herberg, Dotson (to be signed or Kendrick Green or Hassenauer)
Back-up tackles - Draft pick (to be signed maybe Trent Scott back)

I know everybody thinks this is the end of Green. For all intents and purposes, he is done. However, I think the Steelers will justify keeping him because he has starting (sucking at it) experience. Of course, they could cut him and re-sign Hassenauer -my preference, but I don't think they will.

As for Moore, they may want to see how he plays with a better guard next to him. Unless they go first round tackle, I'd expect a second or third round tackle to be first off bench at the start of the season with plans for that player to take over either for Moore or Chuks in 2024.

[ETL]

Clearly the new FO identified the interior line and middle LBs as areas of extreme weakness. They must have watched tape of the lack of run defense and inept run offense for most of last season.

[Mojouw]

I would love the comfort of Dotson being the first guard off the bench....but I think he could just as easily get released.

Dotson is $2.9 million against the cap with a $2.7 million cap savings if you just release him.
Herbig is $2.5 on the cap. Not likely to release him unless he just craters in the off-season programs.
Green is $1.3 million against the cap. That is his best quality....hard to get any cheaper and even find a guy big enough to wear the uniform.

So you have your starting 5 (Moore/Seumalo (if only Myron Cope was still around...)/Cole/Daniels/Chuks). Last season they carried 3 interior backups (Hassenhauer, Davis, and Green) and one OT.

That would appear to mean that there is one interior spot "open" (Herbig and Green) but it could be Dotson. And I think they will carry at least one OT not currently on the roster on the final 53. They broke camp with only 8 OL last season. So there is a chance they go with 2 interior back-ups and 1 OT back-up.

This is a big rambly post...but Dotson is currently the most expensive "back-up" OL and there is an argument that he is too expensive to carry as a reserve. Especially if they only want to go 8 deep at the position.

I just had a thought....is there another NFL team that would take Dotson off their hands for a 4th round pick? Even if you got lower than the original value for him....he's gone after this year anyways. The above says that the don't "need" him....and if that 4th round pick turned into a useful LB or DL piece....would anyone complain?

[Shoes]

I really like what I'm seeing before this draft. Andy Weidl may just prove to be the most important piece of the Steelers future.

[polamalubeast]

I would love the comfort of Dotson being the first guard off the bench....but I think he could just as easily get released.

Dotson is $2.9 million against the cap with a $2.7 million cap savings if you just release him.
Herbig is $2.5 on the cap. Not likely to release him unless he just craters in the off-season programs.
Green is $1.3 million against the cap. That is his best quality....hard to get any cheaper and even find a guy big enough to wear the uniform.

So you have your starting 5 (Moore/Seumalo (if only Myron Cope was still around...)/Cole/Daniels/Chuks). Last season they carried 3 interior backups (Hassenhauer, Davis, and Green) and one OT.

That would appear to mean that there is one interior spot "open" (Herbig and Green) but it could be Dotson. And I think they will carry at least one OT not currently on the roster on the final 53. They broke camp with only 8 OL last season. So there is a chance they go with 2 interior back-ups and 1 OT back-up.

This is a big rambly post...but Dotson is currently the most expensive "back-up" OL and there is an argument that he is too expensive to carry as a reserve. Especially if they only want to go 8 deep at the position.

I just had a thought....is there another NFL team that would take Dotson off their hands for a 4th round pick? Even if you got lower than the original value for him....he's gone after this year anyways. The above says that the don't "need" him....and if that 4th round pick turned into a useful LB or DL piece....would anyone complain?

The problem,Green is so unplayable at this point....Maybe both Dotson and Green will be gone.I don't think Green will make the 53 this year.I think it will be the case for Dotson if they have to keep one of the 2 between him and Green....Maybe the signing of Herbig mean that Dotson will be gone as well?

[oneforthetoe]

I would love the comfort of Dotson being the first guard off the bench....but I think he could just as easily get released.

Dotson is $2.9 million against the cap with a $2.7 million cap savings if you just release him.
Herbig is $2.5 on the cap. Not likely to release him unless he just craters in the off-season programs.
Green is $1.3 million against the cap. That is his best quality....hard to get any cheaper and even find a guy big enough to wear the uniform.

So you have your starting 5 (Moore/Seumalo (if only Myron Cope was still around...)/Cole/Daniels/Chuks). Last season they carried 3 interior backups (Hassenhauer, Davis, and Green) and one OT.

That would appear to mean that there is one interior spot "open" (Herbig and Green) but it could be Dotson. And I think they will carry at least one OT not currently on the roster on the final 53. They broke camp with only 8 OL last season. So there is a chance they go with 2 interior back-ups and 1 OT back-up.

This is a big rambly post...but Dotson is currently the most expensive "back-up" OL and there is an argument that he is too expensive to carry as a reserve. Especially if they only want to go 8 deep at the position.

I just had a thought....is there another NFL team that would take Dotson off their hands for a 4th round pick? Even if you got lower than the original value for him....he's gone after this year anyways. The above says that the don't "need" him....and if that 4th round pick turned into a useful LB or DL piece....would anyone complain?

Your right. I probably have too many o'linemen on my list. Maybe they keep 9 this year if one is a rookie. They could indeed cut both Green and Dostson and stash the extra guard on the practice squad as well. I don't really hate Dotson. I still think he could be a decent reserve (part time starter) guard. However, if they could trade him even for 6 rounder, I'd say do it. He is clearly not in their long-term plans anymore.

[Mojouw]

The problem,Green is so unplayable at this point....Maybe both Dotson and Green will be gone.I don't think Green will make the 53 this year.I think it will be the case for Dotson if they have to keep one of the 2 between him and Green....Maybe the signing of Herbig mean that Dotson will be gone as well?


Your right. I probably have too many o'linemen on my list. Maybe they keep 9 this year if one is a rookie. They could indeed cut both Green and Dostson and stash the extra guard on the practice squad as well. I don't really hate Dotson. I still think he could be a decent reserve (part time starter) guard. However, if they could trade him even for 6 rounder, I'd say do it. He is clearly not in their long-term plans anymore.

It could be that Green is out and they keep Dotson around...it just seems a lot of coin to pay a guy that has to be figuring on leaving town after his rookie deal expires. They just basically told him he isn't in their plans as a starter. At least with Green you have a few more seasons to see if he can be developed into a useful piece?

Should be interesting to see what they add in the draft and the rest of FA....lot of off-season to go yet!

[86WARD]

Green is not worth the savings that they would get releasing Dotson. Unless Green cost $300,000. Not even close…

[Born2Steel]

Green was terrible in his rookie year. He didn't play a single snap in year 2. I think it's safe to assume he won't make the cut once TC ends.

Keep in mind Dotson has been playing on bad and injured ankles. He still played every snap with a healthy Green waiting.

[Mojouw]

Green is not worth the savings that they would get releasing Dotson. Unless Green cost $300,000. Not even close…

Salary cap math and years of team control makes for odd player evaluations...

[polamalubeast]

You can't keep a player who is unplayable at the o-line position(Green)

[pczach]

I would love the comfort of Dotson being the first guard off the bench....but I think he could just as easily get released.

Dotson is $2.9 million against the cap with a $2.7 million cap savings if you just release him.
Herbig is $2.5 on the cap. Not likely to release him unless he just craters in the off-season programs.
Green is $1.3 million against the cap. That is his best quality....hard to get any cheaper and even find a guy big enough to wear the uniform.

So you have your starting 5 (Moore/Seumalo (if only Myron Cope was still around...)/Cole/Daniels/Chuks). Last season they carried 3 interior backups (Hassenhauer, Davis, and Green) and one OT.

That would appear to mean that there is one interior spot "open" (Herbig and Green) but it could be Dotson. And I think they will carry at least one OT not currently on the roster on the final 53. They broke camp with only 8 OL last season. So there is a chance they go with 2 interior back-ups and 1 OT back-up.

This is a big rambly post...but Dotson is currently the most expensive "back-up" OL and there is an argument that he is too expensive to carry as a reserve. Especially if they only want to go 8 deep at the position.

I just had a thought....is there another NFL team that would take Dotson off their hands for a 4th round pick? Even if you got lower than the original value for him....he's gone after this year anyways. The above says that the don't "need" him....and if that 4th round pick turned into a useful LB or DL piece....would anyone complain?




I think Dotson would be attractive to many teams. He played at a very high level when he was the RG. After moving to the LG position and installing Daniels as RT he hasn't been as good. It could be the injuries or just not being as comfortable. I think teams will probably project him as a RG. He doesn't have the best movement skills for blocking on the move, but he is a man-mover and a physical force in the run game. I can see them getting a draft pick for him if they decide to move on. He would be an unbelievable backup as he plays both G spots and he's not really that expensive. Green is the guy that hasn't shown any ability to play at this level. Unless he has taken a huge step forward, he is clearly the least accomplished backup player.....but they may want to keep him because he has played center.

[86WARD]

I think Dotson would be attractive to many teams. He played at a very high level when he was the RG. After moving to the LG position and installing Daniels as RT he hasn't been as good. It could be the injuries or just not being as comfortable. I think teams will probably project him as a RG. He doesn't have the best movement skills for blocking on the move, but he is a man-mover and a physical force in the run game. I can see them getting a draft pick for him if they decide to move on. He would be an unbelievable backup as he plays both G spots and he's not really that expensive. Green is the guy that hasn't shown any ability to play at this level. Unless he has taken a huge step forward, he is clearly the least accomplished backup player.....but they may want to keep him because he has played center.

I would NOT send Dotson away for a draft pick if the result is keeping Green…

[polamalubeast]

I would NOT send Dotson away for a draft pick if the result is keeping Green…

same for me

[pczach]

I would NOT send Dotson away for a draft pick if the result is keeping Green…



I'm not advocating it. It's a response to a question by Mojouw.

I believe Dotson has value.

[Mojouw]

I'm not advocating it. It's a response to a question by Mojouw.

I believe Dotson has value.

It was.

It all comes down to how Dotson reacts to being demoted this week.

Regardless, he’s not a Steeler in 2024.

So….cap space and a draft pick now? In a draft where you have a 100 pick gap after pick 120.

The more I think about it. The more I’d do it.

Not saying it’s a great idea but it is what I’d do. Heck, just turn around and get se the pick on a guard. Reset that rookie deal clock.

[BlackAndGold]

Herbig is the #3 guard on this team. If a team comes calling for Dotson and they offer a 5th?(not a deep IOL draft class) go for it.

[BlackAndGold]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DQtKHtE8V0

[86WARD]

Herbig is the #3 guard on this team. If a team comes calling for Dotson and they offer a 5th?(not a deep IOL draft class) go for it.

Which is fine if the pick is used for a guard or another one is signed. If Green is still on the team as a result, it’s not worth it.

[oneforthetoe]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DQtKHtE8V0

Thanks for that video BlackAndGold. That was impressive ... particularly watching him and the rest of the Phillly line pick up those stunts. Huh .. offensive line coaching. What a novel idea.

[Mojouw]

Which is fine if the pick is used for a guard or another one is signed. If Green is still on the team as a result, it’s not worth it.

Ok. I’m convinced. Trade Dotson. Cut Green. Herbig is top backup. Draft a guard/C prospect.

[polamalubeast]

Ok. I’m convinced. Trade Dotson. Cut Green. Herbig is top backup. Draft a guard/C prospect.

Best case scenario but is it realistic?....I don't think Dotson has value in the trade market

[Dwinsgames]

Best case scenario but is it realistic?....I don't think Dotson has value in the trade market

I think he does , that said I also do not believe its substantial ... likely a 6th or 7th as low as a conditional ... he has started in this league , is young , rookie contract still so not very expensive ...

that said I think we keep him unless he develops an attitude about being demoted or another signing makes his contract $$ much needed , you always want your best 53 and I believe Dotson to be among those at this juncture at least

[Drazo85]

If ineligible man down the field is Canada's fault, keep him. If not, good riddance.

[86WARD]

I think he does , that said I also do not believe its substantial ... likely a 6th or 7th as low as a conditional ... he has started in this league , is young , rookie contract still so not very expensive ...

that said I think we keep him unless he develops an attitude about being demoted or another signing makes his contract $$ much needed , you always want your best 53 and I believe Dotson to be among those at this juncture at least

6th or 7th…not worth it. Just keep him this season and let him walk next year. I don’t need a conditional pick to make a team worse.

[86WARD]

Just reading some stuff on this guy…he can play on the right side as well and Herbig can play both sides. There’s a possibility that Dotson and Seumalo wind up being the Guards or maybe Herbig and Seumalo. What if Daniels was cut? Possibility??

[Mojouw]

Just reading some stuff on this guy…he can play on the right side as well and Herbig can play both sides. There’s a possibility that Dotson and Seumalo wind up being the Guards or maybe Herbig and Seumalo. What if Daniels was cut? Possibility??

Why bail on Daniels?

He seemed to get better as the season went on. Meanwhile, Dotson directly got the QB concussed at least once.

But, I suspect you're thinking of something I am not...

[86WARD]

Why bail on Daniels?

He seemed to get better as the season went on. Meanwhile, Dotson directly got the QB concussed at least once.

But, I suspect you're thinking of something I am not...

Let’s be honest…neither set the world on fire. Maybe Daniels stays the same and Dotson improves, maybe the two new guys outplay the current. I’m just trying to look at it from all angles. But I do know that neither guy was great…Daniels has a bigger contract so harder to justify releasing but you could consider the idea that he could be outplayed. Will be an interesting battle to watch.

[Mojouw]

Let’s be honest…neither set the world on fire. Maybe Daniels stays the same and Dotson improves, maybe the two new guys outplay the current. I’m just trying to look at it from all angles. But I do know that neither guy was great…Daniels has a bigger contract so harder to justify releasing but you could consider the idea that he could be outplayed. Will be an interesting battle to watch.

Certainly will be. I still think they are likely to add a draft pick to either the Guard or Center mix.

Cole is fine, but not exactly the next HOF caliber center either.

[86WARD]

Certainly will be. I still think they are likely to add a draft pick to either the Guard or Center mix.

Cole is fine, but not exactly the next HOF caliber center either.

I’d have no problem adding a center. There seems to be some good ones in this draft.