Backup QB

[tube517]

Rudolph is a free agent.

Mitch is bitching that he should have waited.

I don't see either coming back.



Who would you sign or draft to back up KFP.

[polamalubeast]

Very good question....This is the list of free agent in 2023 at the QB position

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/quarterback/all/

[NCSteeler]

Yeah that's not an easy question to answer. Rush, brissett. Or someone the NEW OC is familiar with to help install his offense

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[polamalubeast]

Maybe Teddy?

[86WARD]

Without knowing the system or anything, Mike White and then a third string guy?

[Steeler-in-west]

Case Keenum or Brissett

or resign MR (probably have to pay a little extra to get him to stay)

[EzraTank]

Draft Stetson Bennett in the 7th round or someone off that list like Bridgewater or Keenum or Brissett.

Just get Trubisky out of here.

[Edman]

I don't mind Trubisky sticking around, the problem is that he thinks he's a starter when he's not, so he can go.

Bring in Keenum or Brisset.

[Mojouw]

Tyler Huntley - he's better than Lamar Jackson!

In all seriousness....Blaine Gabbert. He's gonna stink if he has to play. But he should be able to mentor KP on how to prepare and all of those intangible things. Like Batch did at the end.

Then draft someone who might be able to play a little bit to be the actual back-up.

[steelreserve]

There's no reason not to wipe the slate here. We know Rudolph is going to be a liability if he ever has to play, so we might as well cut him loose and see if someone else can do any better. Trubisky can go get fucked in the ass with a tire iron, get him out of here ASAP.

Just sign some Keenum/Daniels type and use a low draft pick or take a shot at a UDFA project guy to round out the roster.

[Iron Steeler]

Id like to keep Mason if we can keep his spirit high, although, I do not think he wants to be a fulltime backup. He is still looking for his shot at QB1, and if some other team gives him that opportunity I don't blame him for jumping at it.

If we keep Mason, and is on board on being the insurance back up like batch was, this would be IDEAL! Then I say let Mitch go. Perhaps draft another QB in the mid rounds .

[Dwinsgames]

Without knowing the system or anything, Mike White and then a third string guy?

Jets gonna pony up to keep him is my guess to be the starter

[BlackAndGold]

Wonder how much Matt Ryan will cost once he is cut from the Colts? He'll be 38 and his starting days are over with, he's from PA also. He could be a good mentor for KP.

Jacoby Brissett has the NC State connection with Canada(lol)/Faulkner

[DesertSteel]

I'd go Keenum at QB2 and Stetson Bennett at QB3.

[Mojouw]

Another thought....say the hire a new OC. That usually means that they find a QB familiar with that OC's system lying around somewhere and bring him in. Might be hard to predict until that decision is made...

[DuckHodges]

Tom Brady so he can be the first QB in NFL history to win the superbowl as a starter and as a backup

[polamalubeast]

Tom Brady so he can be the first QB in NFL history to win the superbowl as a starter and as a backup

It happen to Jeff Hostetler!

[EzraTank]

Tom Brady so he can be the first QB in NFL history to win the superbowl as a starter and as a backup

LOL

https://media1.giphy.com/media/lByyQHiieBfANvNMQY/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e47z3c9h3hwk5mm1k6fqb69rkzpnmyu yw13qo2f6ck0&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

[Craic]

BRING BACK ZHE DUCK!

:chuckle:

[steelreserve]

Jacoby Brissett is low-key probably the most accomplished backup who can actually give you good enough QB play to win when called upon. However, I have no idea about his availability or whether he's a realistic option for us.

[Born2Steel]

I would want a backup that can come in and win a game or 2. There may be some vet options come available as we move through this offseason. I feel we can expect KP to miss a couple games each season so I would rather have the seasoned backup over the young arm QB. Guys like Dalton or Tannehill or Daniel Jones if those teams choose to go with someone else.
Since they probably won’t, just upgrade what we have and I’m happy enough.

[DesertSteel]

I’d be happy with Mac Jones as our QB3.

[86WARD]

Another thought....say the hire a new OC. That usually means that they find a QB familiar with that OC's system lying around somewhere and bring him in. Might be hard to predict until that decision is made...

That’s what I’m saying. I’d take Mike White though in the mean time. Young, players like him, has proven he’s got a little game…

[polamalubeast]

That’s what I’m saying. I’d take Mike White though in the mean time. Young, players like him, has proven he’s got a little game…

I think White and QB like Brissett will go to a team where they can be a starter during the next season...Right now Teddy may be the best option for the steelers

[86WARD]

I think White and QB like Brissett will go to a team where they can be a starter during the next season...Right now Teddy may be the best option for the steelers

Well Teddy Two Gloves would get along with Kenny Small Hands. People’s heads might explode if two QBs wore two gloves…it’s unheard of…

[polamalubeast]

Dulac Expects Mitch Trubisky Gone, Suggests Joshua Dobbs As Next Backup QB

https://steelersdepot.com/2023/01/dulac-expects-mitch-trubisky-gone-suggests-joshua-dobbs-as-next-backup-qb/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

[Craic]

I'd be okay with that. I think Mitch would be a better backup talent wise but he obviously doesn't want to stay. I wonder, however, if could almost be a QB coach at this stage. He has the smarts and from what I remember, has a really good head for breaking down defenses.

[teegre]

Trade Trubisky and a R7 pick… for Carr.

[Born2Steel]

Trade Trubisky and a R7 pick… for Carr.

To who? Just sign him.

[teegre]

To who? Just sign him.

Isn't he under contract???

[Born2Steel]

Isn't he under contract???

I thought he and the Raiders agreed to part ways. I don’t know if he’s a FA now or not.

[86WARD]

Isn't he under contract???

Care is under contract but no team should trade for him. He will force the Raiders to release him.

[teegre]

Care is under contract but no team should trade for him. He will force the Raiders to release him.

Ah… got it.

[Born2Steel]

Either way it goes I don’t think Carr settles for a backup role. He’ll go somewhere to be the starter. Maybe the Colts or Commanders?

[polamalubeast]

Either way it goes I don’t think Carr settles for a backup role. He’ll go somewhere to be the starter. Maybe the Colts or Commanders?

Jets

[Born2Steel]

Carr in Miami could ne interesting.

[Steeler-in-west]

Wonder how much Matt Ryan will cost once he is cut from the Colts? He'll be 38 and his starting days are over with, he's from PA also. He could be a good mentor for KP.

Jacoby Brissett has the NC State connection with Canada(lol)/Faulkner

someone like Ryan would make a good backup. He’s been there, had success, playoff and Super Bowl experience. Can still perform in a pinch if needed.

I wouldn’t pickup Carr, another guy who still thinks he’s a starter - although I think he’s better than Trubisky - an experience vet near the end of his career would be better

[86WARD]

Carr in Miami could ne interesting.

Buccaneers.

[teegre]

Trade Trubisky and a R7 pick… for Lawrence.

[Born2Steel]

I would seriously take Andy Dalton/Matt Ryan as a backup for KP.

[Steeldude]

Rudolph is a free agent.

Mitch is bitching that he should have waited.

I don't see either coming back.



Who would you sign or draft to back up KFP.

I am still not sure they have a quality starting QB at this point.

[86WARD]

I am still not sure they have a quality starting QB at this point.

It’s like you didn’t watch a game all season. [emoji23]

[Crossdog]

Keenum or Rush. I doubt either Trubisky or Rudolph wants to stay. I have a suspicion Rudolph ends up as a back up in Dallas. So maybe it'd in effect be a swap and Pittsburgh can get C. Rush. And they always bring in an UDFA or two for camp. Maybe the dude from Purdue - O'Connell.

[DesertSteel]

It’s like you didn’t watch a game all season. [emoji23]
He was busy watching All in the Family reruns.

[Steeldude]

It’s like you didn’t watch a game all season. [emoji23]

So last season's performance equates to a quality starting QB? Just one rookie season and that's all you need to make that judgment? Or be quality, do you mean he has a heart beat? You must have thought Kordell was quality starting QB too.

76.7 QB Rating

[polamalubeast]

So last season's performance equates to a quality starting QB? Just one rookie season and that's all you need to make that judgment? Or be quality, do you mean he has a heart beat? You must have thought Kordell was quality starting QB too.

76.7 QB Rating

fake news

[86WARD]

So last season's performance equates to a quality starting QB? Just one rookie season and that's all you need to make that judgment? Or be quality, do you mean he has a heart beat? You must have thought Kordell was quality starting QB too.

76.7 QB Rating

It's like you didn't watch ANY of the season...lol

Pictures don't lie...

https://i.ibb.co/BtRqFjh/Screen-Shot-2023-01-16-at-8-58-49-AM.png

[Steeler-in-west]

Bradshaw had a 70.9 QB career rating. 77 rating in the 1979 super bowl year.

Stats only tell half the story.

KP has been clutch this year, can't deny that.

[Hawkman]

So last season's performance equates to a quality starting QB? Just one rookie season and that's all you need to make that judgment? Or be quality, do you mean he has a heart beat? You must have thought Kordell was quality starting QB too.

76.7 QB Rating

I honestly believe, that the Steelers could go 17-0, breeze through the playoffs and win the SB by 30 points, and you would still complain about a missed tackle by #00 of the special teams in game 3.

I realize that is very rhetorical….but that would be consistent with most of your posts……Keep it coming.

[polamalubeast]

I honestly believe, that the Steelers could go 17-0, breeze through the playoffs and win the SB by 30 points, and you would still complain about a missed tackle by #00 of the special teams in game 3.

I realize that is very rhetorical….but that would be consistent with most of your posts……Keep it coming.

True

He was often not happy about Lebeau and Lamar Woodley when the Steelers were at their best in the 2004-2010 period....

[EzraTank]

I honestly believe, that the Steelers could go 17-0, breeze through the playoffs and win the SB by 30 points, and you would still complain about a missed tackle by #00 of the special teams in game 3.

I realize that is very rhetorical….but that would be consistent with most of your posts……Keep it coming.

Are you trying to say that the glass is not only half full with him but it is also crack, leaking and too small?

[DuckHodges]

Bradshaw had a 70.9 QB career rating. 77 rating in the 1979 super bowl year.

Stats only tell half the story.

KP has been clutch this year, can't deny that.

"Great players aren't always great, they're just great when they have to be"

[Craic]

So last season's performance equates to a quality starting QB? Just one rookie season and that's all you need to make that judgment? Or be quality, do you mean he has a heart beat? You must have thought Kordell was quality starting QB too.

76.7 QB Rating

Are you saying that he isn't quality starting QB material, that he didn't show enough to be considered a quality starting QB, or that he may have showed enough development this year but it is way too early to declare him a quality QB? I would disagree completely with the first one, mostly disagree with the second one (the last few weeks of the season has to be taken into account), but would completely agree with the last one. He should good development this year and hopefully will continue that next year but we need to see it continue through year three.

[Six Rings]

Rudolph is a free agent.

Mitch is bitching that he should have waited.

I don't see either coming back.


Who would you sign or draft to back up KFP.


This is a good question as both Rudolph and Trubsiky are likely gone. I am not sold on Pickett being the long term answer, meaning a QB you give a second contract too. He hasn't shown the down the field throwing, over or in between the defenders. The velocity on his passing is not there, watch the other QB's in the playoffs to see what I am talking about. He has shown he is a safe check down type of passer who doesn't score may points and thrives when the defense is getting interceptions ( we lead the league here ) and the running game is working well. But passing for yards, not really. He is averaging 188 yards a game and 1-4 in games where he has a game he has to throw it over 30 times and the game he won happened to get +2 in the turnover margin. This is not impressive.

This isn't the sign of a QB you keep, and he has played enough as a rookie. The Steelers would be wise the hedge against Pickett just incase he does not improve much. He has been shaken up a bit too much too. Drafting a quarterback in round 3-7 would be a good idea.

I am intrigued by the play if the very quick Stetson Bennett who has shown a live arm, quick feet and is tough to sack / takes very few negative plays! He was only sacked 9 times last year and 9 times the year before. That is amazing. He doesn't fumble much or throw many interceptions either and can take a hit and run / throw on the run. He also plays smart and completed 68% plus last year. Several 300 yard games. He makes the down the field throws the NFL desires. His competition played in college is a good as it gets. Far better than Pickett's. Selecting him in round three or four makes sense for us. Yeah, he is a runt QB. So was Drew Bree and Doug Flute. So was Murray and the soon to be picked in round one Young. As you can tell I am nearly sold on him as a draft prospect and expect him to light up the draft board during the senior bowl week and game. You heard it here first. He's has large hands ( 9' 3/4 " ) by the way.

[polamalubeast]

This is a good question as both Rudolph and Trubsiky are likely gone. I am not sold on Pickett being the long term answer, meaning a QB you give a second contract too. He hasn't shown the down the field throwing, over or in between the defenders. The velocity on his passing is not there, watch the other QB's in the playoffs to see what I am talking about. He has shown he is a safe check down type of passer who doesn't score may points and thrives when the defense is getting interceptions ( we lead the league here ) and the running game is working well. But passing for yards, not really. He is averaging 188 yards a game and 1-4 in games where he has a game he has to throw it over 30 times and the game he won happened to get +2 in the turnover margin. This is not impressive.

This isn't the sign of a QB you keep, and he has played enough as a rookie. The Steelers would be wise the hedge against Pickett just incase he does not improve much. He has been shaken up a bit too much too. Drafting a quarterback in round 3-7 would be a good idea.

I am intrigued by the play if the very quick Stetson Bennett who has show a live arm, quick feet and is tough to sack / takes very few negative plays! He was only sacked 9 times last year and 9 times the year before. That is amazing. He doesn't fumble much or throw many interceptions either and can take a hit and run / throw on the run. He also plays smart and completed 68% plus last year. Several 300 yard games. He makes the down the field throws the NFL desires. His competition played in college is a good as it gets. Far better than Pickett's. Selecting him in round three or four makes sense for us. Yeah, he is a runt QB. So was Drew Bree and Doug Flute. So was Murray and the soon to be picked in round one Young. As you can tell I am nearly sold on him as a draft prospect and expect him to light up the draft board during the senior bowl week and game. You heard it here first. He's has large hands ( 9' 3/4 " ) by the way.

Where did you copy that?

[fansince'76]

Where did you copy that?

LOL. Not only that, I would look good at QB with UGA. I think Bennett has "bust" written all over him.

[Six Rings]

Where did you copy that?

I did not copy that, I wrote it myself.

[Six Rings]

LOL. Not only that, I would look good at QB with UGA. I think Bennett has "bust" written all over him.


Most drafted QB's range from disapointmets ( back ups or bad starters ) to busts, are they not? Tell me why you think Pickett is not one of those, and why Bennett will be a bust. Details are requested related to his games. I get that Bennett is a SEC battle tested, two time national champion on a great team, but IMO he was not just along for the ride. He played well, very well.

[polamalubeast]

I did not copy that, I wrote it myself.


:toofunny::toofunny::toofunny::toofunny::toofunny:

[Mojouw]

:toofunny::toofunny::toofunny::toofunny::toofunny:

We need to be fair. I can not remember if it was Six Rings or not. I also have no idea what dead old thread it was all in.

His draft stuff was always pretty detailed and a good read.

I mean I guess we could Google search stuff…

…Maybe it’s ChatGPT or whatever the robot writer is called?

[DesertSteel]

It was 6.

[Mojouw]

It was 6.

Ok. No need to be fair then!

[fansince'76]

Most drafted QB's range from disapointmets ( back ups or bad starters ) to busts, are they not? Tell me why you think Pickett is not one of those, and why Bennett will be a bust. Details are requested related to his games. I get that Bennett is a SEC battle tested, two time national champion on a great team, but IMO he was not just along for the ride. He played well, very well.

In the interest of full disclosure, I'm not 100% sold on Pickett either. In my book he still has a lot to prove. So it's not simply a matter of my busting on Bennett to build Pickett up.

For one thing, Bennett is already 25 years old. And further, despite QBing a back-to-back national championship-winning team, NFL insiders are STILL only penciling him in as a backup QB at the NFL level (link (https://www.si.com/college/2023/01/06/stetson-bennett-nfl-draft-pick-scouts-potential-backup-georgia-quarterback)). And that's a far cry from a franchise QB.

[Born2Steel]

Stetson Bennett simply isn't an NFL franchise QB level passer. It's really no more complicated than that.

https://thedraftnetwork.com/sr-prospect/stetson-bennett-4be48c57-4b7c-46ad-8535-445c195feda6/

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/stetson-bennett-qb-georgia-nfl-draft-scouting-report-2023/

https://www.si.com/college/2023/01/06/stetson-bennett-nfl-draft-pick-scouts-potential-backup-georgia-quarterback

[Mojouw]

I don't know anything about Bennett. Haven't watched more than 6 consecutive downs of UGA offense ever.

BUT...many of those same draft sites and sources had Pickett pegged as 3-5th round back-up QB.

Again...I am more than willing to take your word for an eval on Bennett but I am also leery of ANYTHING and EVERYTHING to do with QB evaluations.

KP's head for the game appears to be able to more than make-up for any short-comings his physical tools may present. In contrast, Lance and Willis gaps in their game knowledge appear to prevent their jaw dropping physical talents from being fully realized. In all of those cases, I know I was way off in how I saw those guys rookie years going. I assumed all three would turn the ball over a great deal but Willis and Lance would make enough plays to overcome that and that Pickett's college playmaking ability would fall away at NFL speeds. In fact, the opposite has happened so far.

Another example is Hurts. Everyone was so sure they knew what he was going to be in the NFL. And then he got a chance and a commitment from an NFL team to develop him and he has exceeded almost all of his internet scouting reports.

The limited point is that I think we should all be cautious about definitive statements on QBs. Except for Kirk Cousins that dude stinks. And Purdy. He's a mirage. But everyone else...who knows :)

[Born2Steel]

I don't know anything about Bennett. Haven't watched more than 6 consecutive downs of UGA offense ever.

BUT...many of those same draft sites and sources had Pickett pegged as 3-5th round back-up QB.

Again...I am more than willing to take your word for an eval on Bennett but I am also leery of ANYTHING and EVERYTHING to do with QB evaluations.

KP's head for the game appears to be able to more than make-up for any short-comings his physical tools may present. In contrast, Lance and Willis gaps in their game knowledge appear to prevent their jaw dropping physical talents from being fully realized. In all of those cases, I know I was way off in how I saw those guys rookie years going. I assumed all three would turn the ball over a great deal but Willis and Lance would make enough plays to overcome that and that Pickett's college playmaking ability would fall away at NFL speeds. In fact, the opposite has happened so far.

Another example is Hurts. Everyone was so sure they knew what he was going to be in the NFL. And then he got a chance and a commitment from an NFL team to develop him and he has exceeded almost all of his internet scouting reports.

The limited point is that I think we should all be cautious about definitive statements on QBs. Except for Kirk Cousins that dude stinks. And Purdy. He's a mirage. But everyone else...who knows :)

I took the question as why is Bennett expected to be a backup level QB, and some examples of scouting sites explaining that. Obviously we should question everything. If there was a way to know for certain we would all be keyed in on that. If you have a minute, compare and contrast the actual reports on KP vs Bennett. The hesitant feel is similar, the scouting report is very different.

[Mojouw]

I took the question as why is Bennett expected to be a backup level QB, and some examples of scouting sites explaining that. Obviously we should question everything. If there was a way to know for certain we would all be keyed in on that. If you have a minute, compare and contrast the actual reports on KP vs Bennett. The hesitant feel is similar, the scouting report is very different.

Yeah. I’ll read some stuff after the playoffs.

I don’t think Bennet will have much success but I didn’t think KP would either.

[86WARD]

Brandon Weeden 2.0

[Six Rings]

In the interest of full disclosure, I'm not 100% sold on Pickett either. In my book he still has a lot to prove. So it's not simply a matter of my busting on Bennett to build Pickett up.

For one thing, Bennett is already 25 years old. And further, despite QBing a back-to-back national championship-winning team, NFL insiders are STILL only penciling him in as a backup QB at the NFL level (link (https://www.si.com/college/2023/01/06/stetson-bennett-nfl-draft-pick-scouts-potential-backup-georgia-quarterback)). And that's a far cry from a franchise QB.

All right. Bennett is as you say already 25 years old. So is Pickett. Age is not a factor in 1st year QB contracts. Never has been, they are all young, and mostly healthy. At least the QB's who don't feature running in the Pro's are healthy. Just because internet sites say so-and-so in college means very little. Who attached their name to it? Then we can judge better on their track record.

Take it from me, I am impressed with the kid's toughness, durability, pocket mobility, ability to throw on the run, QB's smarts / ability to read a defense, ball security ( Fumbles and interceptions ) the ability to avoid negative plays ( sacks, he is one tough man to sack ) accuracy and down the field passing...the type Pickett lacks. In football lingo I am saying the 5,6,7,8, and 9. Or the Out, Dig, Corner, Post and Go routes. Things that require arm velocity and zip on passes that are typically over 8 yards. It's the type of passes Pickett has not made in general. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying the kid has a great arm. The media often confuses arm with distance traveled / MPH. You need zip on the ball and a low arc for most passes, otherwise your give the defender a better chance to break or the ball / intercept it. It is true.

As you can see I'm not a happy jack blind type of homer type of fan nor I am a I an internet big mouth that lacks data / can't explain what he is saying.

I think Bennett is a draftabale QB, like in round three or four for now ( my opinion ) and until he proves he belongs with the field of other draftable QB's like the senior bowl week and game, and NFL works outs. Or he won't and I will change perspective.

Yes, he is small. But his hands are large ( ball security and release ) and he has proven he can take a hit, and is the type of player that you just don't get a clean shot very often if you know what I saying.

[86WARD]

All right. Bennett is as you say already 25 years old. So is Pickett. Age is not a factor in 1st year QB contracts. Never has been, they are all young, and mostly healthy. At least the QB's who don't feature running in the Pro's are healthy. Just because internet sites say so-and-so in college means very little. Who attached their name to it? Then we can judge better on their track record.

Take it from me, I am impressed with the kid's toughness, durability, pocket mobility, ability to throw on the run, QB's smarts / ability to read a defense, ball security ( Fumbles and interceptions ) the ability to avoid negative plays ( sacks, he is one tough man to sack ) accuracy and down the field passing...the type Pickett lacks. In football lingo I am saying the 5,6,7,8, and 9. Or the Out, Dig, Corner, Post and Go routes. Things that require arm velocity and zip on passes that are typically over 8 yards. It's the type of passes Pickett has not made in general. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying the kid has a great arm. The media often confuses arm with distance traveled / MPH. You need zip on the ball and a low arc for most passes, otherwise your give the defender a better chance to break or the ball / intercept it. It is true.

As you can see I'm not a happy jack blind type of homer type of fan nor I am a I an internet big mouth that lacks data / can't explain what he is saying.

I think Bennett is a draftabale QB, like in round three or four for now ( my opinion ) and until he proves he belongs with the field of other draftable QB's like the senior bowl week and game, and NFL works outs. Or he won't and I will change perspective.

Yes, he is small. But his hands are large ( ball security and release ) and he has proven he can take a hit, and is the type of player that you just don't get a clean shot very often if you know what I saying.

Pickett hasn’t made those throws because he’s not required to make those throws.

[Six Rings]

Stetson Bennett simply isn't an NFL franchise QB level passer. It's really no more complicated than that.

https://thedraftnetwork.com/sr-prospect/stetson-bennett-4be48c57-4b7c-46ad-8535-445c195feda6/

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/stetson-bennett-qb-georgia-nfl-draft-scouting-report-2023/

https://www.si.com/college/2023/01/06/stetson-bennett-nfl-draft-pick-scouts-potential-backup-georgia-quarterback

I read that, and my reply is what did they think about very good to great QB drafted like Dak Prescott, Brock Purdy, Tom Brady, and former QB's that retired recently such as Tony Romo and Kurt Warner? All were drafted in round 4 or beyond and some we not even drafted! My point is, if you don't have a good QB prospect, which Pickett has not proven you should draft one. We have two open qb spots now or will and most Pickett's play has been a bit suspect

Pickett averaged 188 yards a game and 1-4 in games where he has a game he has to throw it over 30 times and the game he won the team happened to get +2 in the turnover margin. This is not impressive. Think about it. He has shown enough to be a game manager type of QB you can win with IF your ground game is working AND the team is on the plus side on turnovers. This is true, but we also didn't pick him to be that. I'm sorry Pickett fans.

The lack of big plays, over 20 yards plus is the bottom of the NFL, like last.

It a good thing the Steelers lead the league in creating interceptions. You can't count in that next year. If we didn't our overall record would be worse, as in like three more losses worse.

[polamalubeast]

We shouldn't jump to conclusions on Pickett immediately or other QB in year 1 and even 2 sometimes...Josh Allen was terrible in year 1,average at best in year 2...Jalen Hurts was average in year 2...Pickett has improved during the 2022 season, so we have to see what he will do in 2023

Bennett had a crazy loaded team around him, so no

[86WARD]

I read that, and my reply is what did they think about very good to great QB drafted like Dak Prescott, Brock Purdy, Tom Brady, and former QB's that retired recently such as Tony Romo and Kurt Warner? All were drafted in round 4 or beyond and some we not even drafted! My point is, if you don't have a good QB prospect, which Pickett has not proven you should draft one. We have two open qb spots now or will and most Pickett's play has been a bit suspect

Pickett averaged 188 yards a game and 1-4 in games where he has a game he has to throw it over 30 times and the game he won the team happened to get +2 in the turnover margin. This is not impressive. Think about it. He has shown enough to be a game manager type of QB you can win with IF your ground game is working AND the team is on the plus side on turnovers. This is true, but we also didn't pick him to be that. I'm sorry Pickett fans.

The lack of big plays, over 20 yards plus is the bottom of the NFL, like last.

It a good thing the Steelers lead the league in creating interceptions. You can't count in that next year. If we didn't our overall record would be worse, as in like three more losses worse.




It’s all Fake News.

[Six Rings]

Pickett hasn’t made those throws because he’s not required to make those throws.

So you are saying the playbook has been cut in half. I agree, he doesn't make these throws... the out, the dig, the corner, the post or the go much, nor has Pickett proven he is accurate and has enough passing velocity in general ( the mph ) on his throws in general. The result is the safeties have an easy game and the opponent can defend the run more with his safe short throws. It is not like Pickens hasn't made amazing did you see that type of catches to help his QB out.

[Six Rings]

It’s all Fake News.


It is as reported. Factual. It's not fake news. Just admit it is truthful.

Or maybe you just don't know enough to comment on and are casual fan who's upset by the data? That's okay too. Your 100% entitled to your opinion.

I'm more than sure this isn't a social media Facebook or Twitter type of place. I'll assume there is a politics / not football for that type of stuff. Not going there.

[polamalubeast]

It is as reported. Factual. It's not fake news. Just admit it is truthful.

Or maybe you just don't know enough to comment on and are casual fan who's upset by the data? That's okay too. Your 100% entitled to your opinion.

I'm more than sure this isn't a social media Facebook or Twitter type of place. I'll assume there is a politics / not football for that type of stuff. Not going there.

fake news

[Six Rings]

We shouldn't jump to conclusions on Pickett immediately or other QB in year 1 and even 2 sometimes...Josh Allen was terrible in year 1,average at best in year 2...Jalen Hurts was average in year 2...Pickett has improved during the 2022 season, so we have to see what he will do in 2023

Bennett had a crazy loaded team around him, so no

If you saw either players first 12 games they shown a lot of stuff, such as the a stronger arm, the and better running / mobility and featured the type of passes that Pickett lacks. I am waiting for Pickett to show me positive signs, I do not care if he makes mistakes rookie mistakes. Comparing them him other QB such as Burrow and Herbet as rookies, just like I am comparing Brock Purdy as a rookie to Pickett. He's behind the in process despite staring a lot of games in college.

Just being honest. Benett is the goods in my opinion should be drafted much sooner than the web sites such as Water Football and Draft Tek say he will.

By the way I like your avatar. Playoffs? Playoffs? Are you kidding me?! Sad fact is we have not won a playoff game in six seasons.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwq7BYOnDrM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwq7BYOnDrM

[polamalubeast]

If you saw either players first 12 games they shown a lot of stuff, such as the a stronger arm, the and better running / mobility and featured the type of passes that Pickett lacks. I am waiting for Pickett to show me positive signs, I do not care if he makes mistakes rookie mistakes. Comparing them him other QB such as Burrow and Herbet as rookies, just like I am comparing Brock Purdy as a rookie to Pickett. He's behind the in process despite staring a lot of games in college.

Just being honest. Benett is the goods in my opinion should be drafted much sooner than the web sites such as Water Football and Draft Tek say he will.

By the way I like your avatar. Playoffs? Playoffs? Are you kidding me?! Sad fact is we have not won a playoff game in six seasons.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwq7BYOnDrM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwq7BYOnDrM

more fake news

[Six Rings]

more fake news

Playoffs? Are you kidding me? What ever your say. It is " fake news " that we have not won a playoff game in six years too. You could reply back with context to my factual data, or my opinions. Playoffs?

[86WARD]

So you are saying the playbook has been cut in half. I agree, he doesn't make these throws... the out, the dig, the corner, the post or the go much, nor has Pickett proven he is accurate and has enough passing velocity in general ( the mph ) on his throws in general. The result is the safeties have an easy game and the opponent can defend the run more with his safe short throws. It is not like Pickens hasn't made amazing did you see that type of catches to help his QB out.

No. Those routes don’t exist in a Matt Canada playbook. It’s already been proven many a times. It’s almost like you’ve watched zero Steelers games the past three seasons.

But you are right…Pickens makes amazing catches to help his QB out. Unlike Diggs, Chase and the rest of the league. If Mahomes had someone who could make amazing catches, or even Joe Burrow, theyd have 6000 yards passing.

More fake news.

[86WARD]

It is as reported. Factual. It's not fake news. Just admit it is truthful.

Or maybe you just don't know enough to comment on and are casual fan who's upset by the data? That's okay too. Your 100% entitled to your opinion.

I'm more than sure this isn't a social media Facebook or Twitter type of place. I'll assume there is a politics / not football for that type of stuff. Not going there.

No it’s not. Fake News. Go use Google.com.

[Crossdog]

If you saw either players first 12 games they shown a lot of stuff, such as the a stronger arm, the and better running / mobility and featured the type of passes that Pickett lacks. I am waiting for Pickett to show me positive signs, I do not care if he makes mistakes rookie mistakes. Comparing them him other QB such as Burrow and Herbet as rookies, just like I am comparing Brock Purdy as a rookie to Pickett. He's behind the in process despite staring a lot of games in college.

Just being honest. Benett is the goods in my opinion should be drafted much sooner than the web sites such as Water Football and Draft Tek say he will.

By the way I like your avatar. Playoffs? Playoffs? Are you kidding me?! Sad fact is we have not won a playoff game in six seasons.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwq7BYOnDrM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwq7BYOnDrM

Well first of all LOL, who looks at Walter Football and Draft Tek as reputable.....just sayin.

Herbert has a cannon arm, there's no doubt. But they finished only one game better than us at 10-7. Burrow OTOH is a complete QB and I hate saying that, but the dude is legit. We will have a tough time unseating them year to year.

All QBs win differently....Lamar with his legs, Brady with his experience/IQ, others with team (Manning, Foles, Dilfer) you can go on and on. If we are comparing Kenny effin Pickett to the rest of the NFL starters past or present, it is just too early imo. Trevor Lawrence was supposed to be the prototype QB assembled in some underground bunker but he has struggled. Some throws last night were pretty bad.

IF Trubisky is moved, then they'll bring in another vet and 7th rounder/UDFA. I actually think Bennett is gone before the 7th so it'll be a moot point. Seems like a 4-5 rnd range to me.

[Six Rings]

No it’s not. Fake News. Go use Google.com.


What did I say that Goolge says is not true in terms of data I submitted? Your examples are? If you have none or can't seem to locate it, well then...

Remember and opinions on a message board can vary, but the data behind them does not.

[Crossdog]

No it’s not. Fake News. Go use Google.com.

haha no don't use Google. They're fake as hell.

[Born2Steel]

One thing I can agree with in this 'discussion' is that "if you don't have a proven QB, you need a backup plan". Sort of the thread title and the purpose of the thread 'discussion' from page 1. One thing I cannot agree with is locking in on one player as THE player we should all lock in on before we even truly know all the options.

We CAN pretty much figure on Mason not being brought back(assumption).
We can also pretty much figure on Mitch remaining for his $10M payday, or maybe even extended another year to break that cost up(assumption).

With these assumptions, I think whoever the Steelers bring in will be as the 3rd option, not the immediate backup. Josh Dobbs makes sense. So does a 7th round draft pick 'jewel in the rough' hopeful. Someone early to come in and immediately challenge KP as the starter does not make sense.

[86WARD]

What did I say that Goolge says os not true in terms of data I submitted? Your examples are? If you have none of can't seem to locate it, well then...

Remember and opinion on a message board can vary, but the data behind them does not.

Your opinion is fake News, the data you provide is REALLY fake news and clearly your grasp of the English language os fake news.

[Six Rings]

Well first of all LOL, who looks at Walter Football and Draft Tek as reputable.....just sayin.

Herbert has a cannon arm, there's no doubt. But they finished only one game better than us at 10-7. Burrow OTOH is a complete QB and I hate saying that, but the dude is legit. We will have a tough time unseating them year to year.

All QBs win differently....Lamar with his legs, Brady with his experience/IQ, others with team (Manning, Foles, Dilfer) you can go on and on. If we are comparing Kenny effin Pickett to the rest of the NFL starters past or present, it is just too early imo. Trevor Lawrence was supposed to be the prototype QB assembled in some underground bunker but he has struggled. Some throws last night were pretty bad.

IF Trubisky is moved, then they'll bring in another vet and 7th rounder/UDFA. I actually think Bennett is gone before the 7th so it'll be a moot point. Seems like a 4-5 rnd range to me.


I hear you and see your point. Mine is the when the current young Qb's are doing well showed me more as rookies than Pickett has. Things like a good arm, throwing less non check down and safe type of passes, yards passing in gerneral, TD's thrown etc.. I dislike the Bengals! But Pickett's upside is that of Andy Dalton I think. Upside mind you. Andy Dalton as much as I hate to admit was at best an above average QB. Nothing more than that. All the young QB's that are good proved more than Pickett has ( inducing rookie Purdy ) in their first 12 games starting.

Lamar Jackson has been hurt and out of action twice ( 10 games ) in the last two seasons. Sulky Lamar's playing style isn't suited for long term NFL play and his body is already breaking down at age 26. I hope the Ravens PAY the man and give him a long term deal, as it will sink the franchise for years. 50 million a year on the salary cap :) If he can't run well / stay healthy and sure as heck is not a good passer who is backed up by ( and I hate to say this ) a good defense, a hall of fame clutch kicker, good special teams and above average coaching he isn't adding much value.

The Steelers aren't not keeping Mitch or Rudy. We have a least one roster spot open for a QB and I hope we spend a pick on a player like Bennett. Not in round one, or even round two by the way, but rounds 3-7 for sure. Other needs at OT, and DL will be filled in round one and with the 2 picks in round two.

[Mojouw]

Here’s the thing, man.

No need to be a jerk to everyone who disagrees with you. That’s my job.

And as far as extolling how you’re an amazing poster that brings the facts and data, remember how you got caught copying and pasting entire posts from other Steelers message boards and passing them off as your own?

All the evidence is in the archives here. The internet is kinda forever or until the severs explode. Keep being a jackass and I’ll decide to find the time to dig it out and we can heckle you off here again. That seems mean spirited and unfair, so I’d really rather not.

You seem to know your draft stuff and have interesting takes. So keep posting but just stop going off guns blazing at anyone who doesn’t see it your way.

Seeing Bennett as more than an NFL backup is putting you in an extreme minority right now. Now as the offseason process unfolds, maybe more information and stuff becomes readily available that moves more people toward your side. Maybe not. Either way, chill out and try being a bit nicer. You’ll likely find more people willing to talk to you about stuff.

[86WARD]

Here’s the thing, man.

No need to be a jerk to everyone who disagrees with you. That’s my job.


And you do a great job at it!!

https://media2.giphy.com/media/kafn9FoBsP6XXl3sXz/giphy.gif



And as far as extolling how you’re an amazing poster that brings the facts and data, remember how you got caught copying and pasting entire posts from other Steelers message boards and passing them off as your own?


Which most of those “facts” have been proven wrong with a simple google search.

[polamalubeast]

Art Rooney II says Steelers will keep Mitch Trubisky

“I expect Mitch will be on the roster next year and be an effective backup if we need him,” Rooney II said on KDKA-TV. “I think he showed that he can be that. We can win with him.”

more on this

https://triblive.com/sports/friday-football-footnotes-art-rooney-ii-says-steelers-to-keep-mitch-trubisky-pursue-nfl-draft/

[Dwinsgames]

25 ...... Pickett was a 24 year old rookie..... both are old for rookies IMO

[Rotorhead]

This is a good question as both Rudolph and Trubsiky are likely gone. I am not sold on Pickett being the long term answer, meaning a QB you give a second contract too. He hasn't shown the down the field throwing, over or in between the defenders. The velocity on his passing is not there, watch the other QB's in the playoffs to see what I am talking about. He has shown he is a safe check down type of passer who doesn't score may points and thrives when the defense is getting interceptions ( we lead the league here ) and the running game is working well. But passing for yards, not really. He is averaging 188 yards a game and 1-4 in games where he has a game he has to throw it over 30 times and the game he won happened to get +2 in the turnover margin. This is not impressive.

This isn't the sign of a QB you keep, and he has played enough as a rookie. The Steelers would be wise the hedge against Pickett just incase he does not improve much. He has been shaken up a bit too much too. Drafting a quarterback in round 3-7 would be a good idea.

I am intrigued by the play if the very quick Stetson Bennett who has shown a live arm, quick feet and is tough to sack / takes very few negative plays! He was only sacked 9 times last year and 9 times the year before. That is amazing. He doesn't fumble much or throw many interceptions either and can take a hit and run / throw on the run. He also plays smart and completed 68% plus last year. Several 300 yard games. He makes the down the field throws the NFL desires. His competition played in college is a good as it gets. Far better than Pickett's. Selecting him in round three or four makes sense for us. Yeah, he is a runt QB. So was Drew Bree and Doug Flute. So was Murray and the soon to be picked in round one Young. As you can tell I am nearly sold on him as a draft prospect and expect him to light up the draft board during the senior bowl week and game. You heard it here first. He's has large hands ( 9' 3/4 " ) by the way.

I stopped reading where he says KP hasn’t shown accuracy throwing in between defenders. That is exactly where he has shown ridiculously ARod accuracy in his game.

[Rotorhead]

We should pick up Minshew as the backup, he has proven capable enough to win some games in that role.

[86WARD]

Mitchell Trubisky it is…I’ll bet they bring Dobbs back for the 3 spot…

[DuckHodges]

25 ...... Pickett was a 24 year old rookie..... both are old for rookies IMO

Too much is to be made of actual age. Wear and tear over multiple seasons matters more than age itself. Look at marcus allen, that guy was a good RB in his mid 30's and everyone thought he found the fountain of youth, but really because of Al Davis benching him, his body took less of a toll than average players his age. Most players who are forced to retire are usually done because of the accumulation of injuries and damage their bodies took over the years. And to add to that, the NFL game is light years ahead of college as far as the amount players put their bodies through.

[Steeler-in-west]

Mitchell Trubisky it is…I’ll bet they bring Dobbs back for the 3 spot…

Mitch is coming back? I thought he was tricked into coming here....

[polamalubeast]

Mitch is coming back? I thought he was tricked into coming here....

Art Rooney II says Steelers will keep Mitch Trubisky

“I expect Mitch will be on the roster next year and be an effective backup if we need him,” Rooney II said on KDKA-TV. “I think he showed that he can be that. We can win with him.”

more on this

https://triblive.com/sports/friday-football-footnotes-art-rooney-ii-says-steelers-to-keep-mitch-trubisky-pursue-nfl-draft/

[BlackAndGold]

I'm completely good with Trubisky as a backup. Though I'm not sure he wants to stay.

[DuckHodges]

I'm completely good with Trubisky as a backup. Though I'm not sure he wants to stay.

Probably not, but I'm ok with him gone.

[BlackAndGold]

Probably not, but I'm ok with him gone.

I can see that, and I'm sure many fans agree. I just want a good experienced backup that knows the offense, and can be depended on to manage a game if KP misses time. Trubisky proved he can do that.

[Craic]

Mitch is coming back? I thought he was tricked into coming here....

No, he said he jumped too fast not that he had been tricked.

[DesertSteel]

Art Rooney II says Steelers will keep Mitch Trubisky

“I expect Mitch will be on the roster next year and be an effective backup if we need him,” Rooney II said on KDKA-TV. “I think he showed that he can be that. We can win with him.”

more on this

https://triblive.com/sports/friday-football-footnotes-art-rooney-ii-says-steelers-to-keep-mitch-trubisky-pursue-nfl-draft/
Aside from giving away the first Ravens game and costing them the playoffs.

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I’m all for saving the cap money from cutting him.

[Steeler-in-west]

Art Rooney II says Steelers will keep Mitch Trubisky

“I expect Mitch will be on the roster next year and be an effective backup if we need him,” Rooney II said on KDKA-TV. “I think he showed that he can be that. We can win with him.”

more on this

https://triblive.com/sports/friday-football-footnotes-art-rooney-ii-says-steelers-to-keep-mitch-trubisky-pursue-nfl-draft/

throwing three picks against the ravens in relief and losing a winnable game isn't being reliable. And he's expensive. I bet we can find a backup that will throw less than three picks for a lot less.

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No, he said he jumped too fast not that he had been tricked.

still doesn't sound good, maybe he should've saved that for his autobiography

[Steeldude]

I honestly believe, that the Steelers could go 17-0, breeze through the playoffs and win the SB by 30 points, and you would still complain about a missed tackle by #00 of the special teams in game 3.

I realize that is very rhetorical….but that would be consistent with most of your posts……Keep it coming.

If the Steelers went 0-17 you would say it was a good season and no improvement was necessary.

Yes, I would complain about a missed tackle, in any game. You would be content with it. That's the difference between you and me. I don't settle for mediocrity or poor play.

[DesertSteel]

I don't settle for mediocrity or poor play.
Exactly how do you influence change, from your position?

[DuckHodges]

Aside from giving away the first Ravens game and costing them the playoffs.

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I’m all for saving the cap money from cutting him.

Not sure about contract details, but isn't he kind of a high cost backup QB? And also isn't his contract friendly to the Steelers if we want to cut him?

Not sure if he's a "good" backup QB. I'd say average, but he's making better than average pay for a backup. For his level of play we could probably keep Rudolph for much cheaper, or maybe re-sign Dobbs

[Moose]

There's no reason not to wipe the slate here. We know Rudolph is going to be a liability if he ever has to play, so we might as well cut him loose and see if someone else can do any better. Trubisky can go get fucked in the ass with a tire iron, get him out of here ASAP.

Just sign some Keenum/Daniels type and use a low draft pick or take a shot at a UDFA project guy to round out the roster.

I gotta agree with this 100% Clean slate and start anew. And maybe a few 'coaches' could go too !!!! i.e. Canada.

[polamalubeast]

This is a good question as both Rudolph and Trubsiky are likely gone. I am not sold on Pickett being the long term answer, meaning a QB you give a second contract too. He hasn't shown the down the field throwing, over or in between the defenders. The velocity on his passing is not there, watch the other QB's in the playoffs to see what I am talking about. He has shown he is a safe check down type of passer who doesn't score may points and thrives when the defense is getting interceptions ( we lead the league here ) and the running game is working well. But passing for yards, not really. He is averaging 188 yards a game and 1-4 in games where he has a game he has to throw it over 30 times and the game he won happened to get +2 in the turnover margin. This is not impressive.

This isn't the sign of a QB you keep, and he has played enough as a rookie. The Steelers would be wise the hedge against Pickett just incase he does not improve much. He has been shaken up a bit too much too. Drafting a quarterback in round 3-7 would be a good idea.

I am intrigued by the play if the very quick Stetson Bennett who has shown a live arm, quick feet and is tough to sack / takes very few negative plays! He was only sacked 9 times last year and 9 times the year before. That is amazing. He doesn't fumble much or throw many interceptions either and can take a hit and run / throw on the run. He also plays smart and completed 68% plus last year. Several 300 yard games. He makes the down the field throws the NFL desires. His competition played in college is a good as it gets. Far better than Pickett's. Selecting him in round three or four makes sense for us. Yeah, he is a runt QB. So was Drew Bree and Doug Flute. So was Murray and the soon to be picked in round one Young. As you can tell I am nearly sold on him as a draft prospect and expect him to light up the draft board during the senior bowl week and game. You heard it here first. He's has large hands ( 9' 3/4 " ) by the way.

Big L for you

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[DuckHodges]

Big L for you

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nice maybe we can get him in round 7 :chuckle:

[DesertSteel]

nice maybe we can get him in round 7 :chuckle:
Or FA. He’s was probably only a 7th rounder to begin with.

[EzraTank]

Stetson reminds me of AJ McCarron. He was great in college playing on a stacked Alabama team that won a national championship then was a very very average backup QB in the NFL. Of course McCarron married a super hot woman so he does have that going for him.

:ttiwwp:

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Those that still aren't sold on Pickett should watch his senior year games. If given the correct offense (something I'm sure Canada isn't capable of) he will be great. Remember people wanted Malik Willis over Pickett and it would not shock me if Willis isn't even in the NFL in two years.

[polamalubeast]

According to a report,Rudolph has no intention to sign with the steelers....

[hawaiiansteeler]

According to a report,Rudolph has no intention to sign with the steelers....

According to another report, the Steelers don't care.

[EzraTank]

Rudolph has been busy anyhow ...

https://i.imgur.com/2qx2zPp.jpg

[Steeler-in-west]

dump Mitch's $8 million salary and start over. Steelers should be able to get a decent backup at a reasonable price.

hopefully they get that part right this time.

[DuckHodges]

Rudolph has been busy anyhow ...

https://i.imgur.com/2qx2zPp.jpg

mason in the lingirie football league :puke:

[tube517]

According to another report, the Steelers don't care.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/002/141/469/81a.gif

[Born2Steel]

What about 'Pro Bowl QB' Tyler Huntley? He's a RFA. :lol:

[DuckHodges]

What about 'Pro Bowl QB' Tyler Huntley? He's a RFA. :lol:

You know his agent is gonna use that as leverage to get him a pay raise :chuckle:

[Dwinsgames]

You know his agent is gonna use that as leverage to get him a pay raise :chuckle:

and the Ratbirds may be forced to pay it .....

I mean who else do they have with the contract situation they have with Lamar

[steelreserve]

and the Ratbirds may be forced to pay it .....

I mean who else do they have with the contract situation they have with Lamar

There are a lot of guys out there who can lose almost every game by making your offense average about 13 points while throwing for 130 yards and half a touchdown per contest.

Oh wait, but he's "mobile" even though he gets almost no yards rushing either.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

According to a report,Rudolph has no intention to sign with the steelers....

Best news that I have heard in a long time here.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Trubisky is under contract, so I can see him being the backup next season.

But I can also see the Steelers picking a QB on Day 3 and one with some mobility and upside, like Dorian Thompson-Robinson from UCLA, Clayton Tune from Houston or Malik Cunningham from Louisville. Tomlin has talked about having a QB with mobility and Pickett is that, so it seems logical that any later round selection as a future backup would have similar traits.

[Mojouw]

For me, it is ideally Pickett, A NOT MT veteran. Take his salary cap $$$ and sign someone who has actually had some success in the NFL. Someone who can fill that Charlie Batch role. And then draft/UDFA some developmental prospect to take like 3 snaps a week in practice as the third string guy.

[Born2Steel]

Trubisky is under contract, so I can see him being the backup next season.

But I can also see the Steelers picking a QB on Day 3 and one with some mobility and upside, like Dorian Thompson-Robinson from UCLA, Clayton Tune from Houston or Malik Cunningham from Louisville. Tomlin has talked about having a QB with mobility and Pickett is that, so it seems logical that any later round selection as a future backup would have similar traits.

I would like to see Holton Ahlers get a UDFA invite. I only saw him play a few times but I was impressed with what I saw.
Next season’s depth chart with KP, MT, and Ahlers as the 3rd string/scout team guy.

[DesertSteel]

For me, it is ideally Pickett, A NOT MT veteran.
It's really unclear to me what this first sentence means. You want the backup to be Pickett? And the rest of it I can’t make sense of.

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There’s lots of top shelf veteran backups available for half the price as Trubisky, who are also better than MT.

[Mojouw]

It's really unclear to me what this first sentence means. You want the backup to be Pickett? And the rest of it I can’t make sense of.

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There’s lots of top shelf veteran backups available for half the price as Trubisky, who are also better than MT.

Pickett us the starter.
Cut MT because he's awful and can't help either the team or KP get better.
Take the $8 million that you save cutting Trubisky and sign some super smart veteran QB that can be a mentor and coach like figure for KP. Like Batch was for Ben R.
Bring in a toolsy and raw youngster to be the 3 and hope he can develop into a competent backup. And that tye smart but not effecrive vet that's officially the backup doesn't have to play much.

[Born2Steel]

Until something goes sideways KP is the starter. Most likely MT will be his backup next season, as has been said already. I doubt the Steelers will bring in another FA this year, just my opinion. I do think a late draft pick will be used on a project QB with some type of promise/upside. It’s not like Ben ever had some savior for a backup.

[DesertSteel]

Pickett us the starter.
Cut MT because he's awful and can't help either the team or KP get better.
Take the $8 million that you save cutting Trubisky and sign some super smart veteran QB that can be a mentor and coach like figure for KP. Like Batch was for Ben R.
Bring in a toolsy and raw youngster to be the 3 and hope he can develop into a competent backup. And that tye smart but not effecrive vet that's officially the backup doesn't have to play much.
Seems like a no brainer. Must mean there’s no way it’ll happen.

[Mojouw]

Seems like a no brainer. Must mean there’s no way it’ll happen.

Yeah. I suspect it won't either. Mopey Mitch should be a joy to have around.

[Steeler-in-west]

Is there any indication that Trubisky even wants to stay?

[86WARD]

Pickett us the starter.
Cut MT because he's awful and can't help either the team or KP get better.
Take the $8 million that you save cutting Trubisky and sign some super smart veteran QB that can be a mentor and coach like figure for KP. Like Batch was for Ben R.
Bring in a toolsy and raw youngster to be the 3 and hope he can develop into a competent backup. And that tye smart but not effecrive vet that's officially the backup doesn't have to play much.

I’d be willing to bet almost anything that Josh Donna winds up back on the roster. Where they should cut Trubisky, I can’t see Tomlin going through that process…we’ve been here long enough to know he keeps dead weight and untalented players at that position for years…whether it be on purpose or just because he’s lazy. The list is long…Jones, Rudolph, Dobbs, Trubisky, Hodges…it’s a long list of garbage and we’ll below average talent…yet Tomlin never saw the need to address it.

Trubisky winds up staying and they sign Dobbs (out of comfort) to be the third guy…and if Pickett fails…you have the typical pile of shit that the Steelers accumulate at position groups…see ILB…

[tube517]

I’d be willing to bet almost anything that Josh Donna winds up back on the roster. Where they should cut Trubisky, I can’t see Tomlin going through that process…we’ve been here long enough to know he keeps dead weight and untalented players at that position for years…whether it be on purpose or just because he’s lazy. The list is long…Jones, Rudolph, Dobbs, Trubisky, Hodges…it’s a long list of garbage and we’ll below average talent…yet Tomlin never saw the need to address it.

Trubisky winds up staying and they sign Dobbs (out of comfort) to be the third guy…and if Pickett fails…you have the typical pile of shit that the Steelers accumulate at position groups…see ILB…

Yep. I would not be surprised if Dobbs is brought back as a backup.

[86WARD]

Whoops…Josh Dobbs…not Josh Donna…guess I’d lose that bet…lol

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Yep. I would not be surprised if Dobbs is brought back as a backup.

I sure hope not. He has been in the NFL for 6 seasons and shown that he is not a productive NFL QB and not even a backup that can get you a win if needed. He is really a waste of a roster space, other than playing the scout team QB and having no upside as an actual player.

[Rotorhead]

I sure hope not. He has been in the NFL for 6 seasons and shown that he is not a productive NFL QB and not even a backup that can get you a win if needed. He is really a waste of a roster space, other than playing the scout team QB and having no upside as an actual player.

Trashbisky is not a backup that can win games and more expensive than Dobbs.

[steelreserve]

Rudolph ... Dobbs ... Trubisky ... what we have in that group is a bunch of guys who we know aren't very good. I don't want any of them. Why would you want a guy you already know is no good?

B-b-but we already know him and he's been in our offense!

So what? You already know he SUCKS, and even worse, he sucks in your specific offense with your specific players. That just makes you extra stupid for bringing him back, not smarter.

Enough of this devil-you-know crap. You might as well just bring in three or four brand-new guys you haven't seen before, who probably suck but might not. You're no worse off, and once in a while you get lucky. Any bum can throw for 110 yards and lose every game. Don't intentionally choose that bum.

[polamalubeast]

Rudolph ... Dobbs ... Trubisky ... what we have in that group is a bunch of guys who we know aren't very good. I don't want any of them. Why would you want a guy you already know is no good?

B-b-but we already know him and he's been in our offense!

So what? You already know he SUCKS, and even worse, he sucks in your specific offense with your specific players. That just makes you extra stupid for bringing him back, not smarter.

Enough of this devil-you-know crap. You might as well just bring in three or four brand-new guys you haven't seen before, who probably suck but might not. You're no worse off, and once in a while you get lucky. Any bum can throw for 110 yards and lose every game. Don't intentionally choose that bum.

Who do you want as backup?

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/quarterback/all/

I don't think like Jimmy G,Brissett is realist so the option will be very limited

[steelreserve]

Who do you want as backup?

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/quarterback/all/

I don't think like Jimmy G,Brissett is realist so the option will be very limited

There are at least 5 or 6 guys on that list who (might) turn out to suck less than Trubisky or Rudolph, maybe more than that, the bar is not high ... also, I'd rather draft one anyway as the primary plan.

[86WARD]

Who do you want as backup?

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/quarterback/all/

I don't think like Jimmy G,Brissett is realist so the option will be very limited

Mike White, Gabbert, Daniels, Mullins over what the Steelers have had the last 7 years…

[Mojouw]

The biggest value a backup QB can have is to mentor KP. Showing him how to prepare and work as a professional. Whoever that is that’s who I want signed.

[Born2Steel]

Cooper Rush off that list. His contract was only around $2M if I read that right. Offer $5M to backup and save $3M if he agrees. I seriously think it will be MT as the backup next season though.

[Steeler-in-west]

Ryan or Keenum. What is KP going to learn from Mitch? “When in doubt - RUN! or throw it at the feet of receiver nearest to the sideline?”

[86WARD]

Cooper Rush off that list. His contract was only around $2M if I read that right. Offer $5M to backup and save $3M if he agrees. I seriously think it will be MT as the backup next season though.

Of course it will. Tomlin likes to sit in comfort and Trubisky is the lazy, comfortable way to build the roster.

[Born2Steel]

Of course it will. Tomlin likes to sit in comfort and Trubisky is the lazy, comfortable way to build the roster.

It’s also not chasing the new shiny thing. There is something to be said for sticking with a known over an unknown as well. Everybody is going to differ on philosophy at times. I do trust the process of the Steelers, so even though I don’t want to go into next season with MT and/or Canada, here we are and here I will be.

[polamalubeast]

The steelers don't deserve our trust right now....

[Mojouw]

I think we all know that MT will be the 2023 back-up QB for the Steelers.

I think that most of us disagree with why they are doing that. Steelers seem to think MT gives them the best chance to "Win" should KP not be able to play. Many do not see it that way.

I am not sure that MT gives the team a better or worse shot at winning games as the back-up than anyone else I can think of.

I am sure, based on nothing specific, that MT is not a highly capable mentor. What is he going to teach KP about reading a defense? What is he going to teach him about getting his body ready to play? What is he going to help him learn about preparing each week? Based on MT's track record in the NFL -- diddly poo.

Reading interviews with players over the years they very often attribute "leaps" in on the field production to this or that guy mentoring them and teaching them how to be a better professional football player. And while players will laud coaching, they seem to frequently indicate this peer to peer teaching is incredibly important.

So...again...I really want the Steelers to go get KP a veteran teacher. I have no idea who that is. Maybe it is Josh Dobbs. Maybe it is some 35+ noodle armed gimpy kneed vet playing out the string. But whoever it is...get that guy in the building because molding KP into a a highly successful NFL QB is more important that one or two narrow wins in 2023.

[steelreserve]

It’s also not chasing the new shiny thing. There is something to be said for sticking with a known over an unknown as well. Everybody is going to differ on philosophy at times. I do trust the process of the Steelers, so even though I don’t want to go into next season with MT and/or Canada, here we are and here I will be.

You are not "chasing shiny things" when what you have is a piece of shit. Here are two guys with bottom-of-the-league performance, who directly cost us wins last season, and yet - here we are.

Steelers fans have this thing where they value the process over the substance, even when the process clearly is not working with a particular individual. They say "The Browns have high turnover, so getting rid of anyone is a knee-jerk reaction and you want to be like the Browns! GOD! Steelers fans are so spoiled!" But no, that's not how it works. There is nothing wise or prescient about sticking with guys who are failing spectacularly.

I for one have lost a massive amount of respect for the Steelers process. There is a time and a place for patience and continuity, but this is ridiculous.

[Born2Steel]

The steelers don't deserve our trust right now....

I completely disagree with that.

When ‘we’ start talking on here about what the Steelers should do, it always starts from a place of ignorance. There is no way a single poster on this forum knows what the Steelers coaches and brass know. You don’t know better than they do, I don’t know better than they do.

“Hey look at all the high profile FAs the Eagles signed and now they are in the SuperBowl!!!”. Ok but….what if the 49ers had a QB in the NFCCG? They still might be in the SB, but also maybe not. Zero moves equal guaranteed success. None of them do. How was Russell Wilson to Denver perceived initially? How about now?

Just because the Steelers don’t heed our every wish doesn’t equate to they don’t know what they’re doing and can’t be trusted. I would also like to move on from MT and Canada. But both are only here for 1 more season anyway if they are kept. Let’s get to FA season, the draft, let’s see how TC looks. It’s all connected and part of a process. Trust the Steelers process.

[steelreserve]

I completely disagree with that.

When ‘we’ start talking on here about what the Steelers should do, it always starts from a place of ignorance. There is no way a single poster on this forum knows what the Steelers coaches and brass know. You don’t know better than they do, I don’t know better than they do.

There are many, many examples of times when I and the other mere fans have known better than the Steelers coaches and front office. Some of them have been over things so blatantly obvious you wonder how anyone could have not seen them coming. This is one of those times.

[86WARD]

Could it be possible that Trubisky may be a better teacher than player?

[Mojouw]

Could it be possible that Trubisky may be a better teacher than player?
I certainly hope so.

[Born2Steel]

There are many, many examples of times when I and the other mere fans have known better than the Steelers coaches and front office. Some of them have been over things so blatantly obvious you wonder how anyone could have not seen them coming. This is one of those times.

I’m sure out of context and without ALL the information involved that does seem true. I would wager those many examples are much fewer than your count. IF ‘we’ had ALL the information.

[Steeler-in-west]

Could it be possible that Trubisky may be a better teacher than player?

Somehow I doubt it. Maybe they should sign Dobbs to be the QB coach - I’d put my money on the aerospace engineer being able to analyze and teach better

[DuckHodges]

Could it be possible that Trubisky may be a better teacher than player?

Yeah he's probably good at teaching what not to do.

(pauses film) "Hey Kenny, you see this read and throw I made here? DON'T do that."

[fansince'76]

There are many, many examples of times when I and the other mere fans have known better than the Steelers coaches and front office. Some of them have been over things so blatantly obvious you wonder how anyone could have not seen them coming. This is one of those times.

I’m sure out of context and without ALL the information involved that does seem true. I would wager those many examples are much fewer than your count. IF ‘we’ had ALL the information.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHipzGL4dwM

:chuckle:

[steelreserve]

Could it be possible that Trubisky may be a better teacher than player?

Given how well he's played, it would be almost impossible NOT to be. He's also probably a better doctor and a better swordfighter than a player.

Then again, it could also be one of those "hold my beer" moments.

[DesertSteel]

There are many, many examples of times when I and the other mere fans have known better than the Steelers coaches and front office. Some of them have been over things so blatantly obvious you wonder how anyone could have not seen them coming. This is one of those times.
I always assume that you know more than the coaches.

[86WARD]

I always assume that you know more than the coaches.

I always assume SixRings knows the most…more than the coaches and anyone here…

[tube517]

I always assume SixRings knows the most…more than the coaches and anyone here…

GOAT of cut/paste :chuckle:

[steelreserve]

I always assume that you know more than the coaches.

More like the people who assume the coaches are always right are just ... so tiresome.

Coaches make mistakes all the time. And yet there is an entire faction who ends every argument with "I'll just trust the coaches know what they're doing since they have more information, it's impossible that the fans could be right." Well ok, but then why are you even here debating things on a message board if you don't have anything to say?

It's like ... "I think this is a good move because X" or "I think this is a bad move because Y" are actual opinions that are interesting to talk about. "I think this is a good move because the coaches did it" is a throwaway that people think makes them look smart, but is really just a big nothing.

[Born2Steel]

And…there it is. You called it.

[polamalubeast]

I completely disagree with that.

When ‘we’ start talking on here about what the Steelers should do, it always starts from a place of ignorance. There is no way a single poster on this forum knows what the Steelers coaches and brass know. You don’t know better than they do, I don’t know better than they do.

“Hey look at all the high profile FAs the Eagles signed and now they are in the SuperBowl!!!”. Ok but….what if the 49ers had a QB in the NFCCG? They still might be in the SB, but also maybe not. Zero moves equal guaranteed success. None of them do. How was Russell Wilson to Denver perceived initially? How about now?

Just because the Steelers don’t heed our every wish doesn’t equate to they don’t know what they’re doing and can’t be trusted. I would also like to move on from MT and Canada. But both are only here for 1 more season anyway if they are kept. Let’s get to FA season, the draft, let’s see how TC looks. It’s all connected and part of a process. Trust the Steelers process.

Maybe trust was the not right word but I am not sure that they are the right people if the steelers want to take the next step,like winning playoffs game and be a true contender....I don't care if we keep Mitch or not but to keep Canada is a awful decision

[Born2Steel]

Maybe trust was the not right word but I am not sure that they are the right people if the steelers want to take the next step,like winning playoffs game and be a true contender....I don't care if we keep Mitch or not but to keep Canada is a awful decision

I did not want Matt Canada back either. The national media has talked about how bad the offense has been under him. Steve Smith and Stephen A have both blasted on Canada and his play calling last season. I am right there with everyone of them and everyone of you on here that wanted a change at OC.

But that didn’t happen. The ‘why’ is where we as fans start to disagree. Some say it’s just stubbornness and not wanting to admit to a mistake. I don’t fall into that group. I just don’t follow that logic. I think there is more to it than just stubbornness.

The point of yours and my conversation is ‘we’ don’t need to know all that went into the decisions. As much as we would like to be or think ‘we’ should be, ‘we’ are actually not a part of it at all. There are many examples at my own job where I wonder why something is, or is done a certain way, or why some employees have lasted as long as they have. So for me, it’s easy to just trust the Steelers to actually know what they are doing, and how they want to go about doing it. I will continue to bitch and complain about the offense don’t you doubt.

[Born2Steel]

Back to the backup discussion...

I honestly think the coaches kinda like MT as the backup option. It wouldn't surprise me if Mitch gets an extension since $10M is a lot to pay a backup. Give him a good signing bonus and spread his money out over the next 2-3 seasons.

For what it's worth, I do agree MT is an upgrade over Mason Rudolph, Duck Hodges, or Landry Jones. I guess there is that.

[polamalubeast]

Back to the backup discussion...

I honestly think the coaches kinda like MT as the backup option. It wouldn't surprise me if Mitch gets an extension since $10M is a lot to pay a backup. Give him a good signing bonus and spread his money out over the next 2-3 seasons.

For what it's worth, I do agree MT is an upgrade over Mason Rudolph, Duck Hodges, or Landry Jones. I guess there is that.

I don't think Mitch want to be back,so no way he will accept a extension...He will be cut or he will be back only for 2023 with his current salary

[86WARD]

I don't think Mitch want to be back,so no way he will accept a extension...He will be cut or he will be back only for 2023 with his current salary

I can’t imagine they would cut him…it just doesn’t seem like a move they would make. Stranger things have happened…

[Mojouw]

From what’s been made public, the Steelers have to decide if they’re down with their backup QB not wanting to be here. MT thinks he can and should be an NFL starter. Evidence says otherwise but he’s young enough to not want to give up on himself as a QB 1.

[DesertSteel]

What’s the deadline to cut Mitch and save the cap figure?

[Born2Steel]

Mitch's contract was already incentive-laden for last year. I don't think he met any of the bonuses. Not so sure he would be willing to go that route again, now I've looked at it twice. He may have some value as a trade piece once we secure a backup. "One man's trash..." and all that. $8M-$10M is still a bargain price for a starting QB. But with only him and KP under contract, he will stay.

[Edman]

I look at Mitch Trubisky as a Charlie Batch type. A High pick that didn't pan out but saw success as a backup. I don't mind if he becomes our new Charlie.

The problem with that is that I don't know if Mitch is okay with that role of being the backup mentor to KP. He still thinks he's a starter, and he's not.

[DesertSteel]

Ditch Mitch. That’s all.

[NCSteeler]

Of course it will. Tomlin likes to sit in comfort and Trubisky is the lazy, comfortable way to build the roster.This is exactly right. Tomlin's biggest fault as a coach is never getting uncomfortable. He has over the years held on to guys he knows well even when it was obvious they were not getting the job done.


That's why we kept Canada and why MT will be a miserable back up this coming season.

He lives in fear of the unknown.

Someone else said this in one of the threads and I find it to be accurate. The bottom of this roster , 3rd and 4th guys should be constantly churning. Snell isn't saving the day very often, but some un proven younger higher ceiling guy might be the answer but if you just keep trusting the guys ya got and not being willing to step out on the limb a bit....

Could be why Eagles are where they are today or KC both . MAde constant in season moves to fix roster holes

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[DuckHodges]

What’s the deadline to cut Mitch and save the cap figure?

No idea but his cost is a lot higher than what he's worth IMO. We could probably sign someone like Dobbs for a lot cheaper and the same effectiveness

[DesertSteel]

Bridgewater, Foles or Keenum are all better/cheaper.

[polamalubeast]

Bridgewater, Foles or Keenum are all better/cheaper.

Foles is washed at this point...The bears were much better with Mitch that with Foles in 2020

[86WARD]

Bridgewater, Foles or Keenum are all better/cheaper.

Not Foles…not now…they missed that boat when Foles was exiting the Rams…

[DesertSteel]

Not Foles…not now…they missed that boat when Foles was exiting the Rams…
I’m not a fan of Foles recent work, but I’d take him at $2-3M over MT at $8M.

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Foles is washed at this point...The bears were much better with Mitch that with Foles in 2020
Sometimes it’s a bad fit. I’m not advocating for Foles, just saying he’s come with better terms and could bump down to QB3 if Dobbs or someone else stepped up.

[steelreserve]

Foles is washed at this point...The bears were much better with Mitch that with Foles in 2020

We can't do worse than Trubisky, he's an expensive piece of shit. I'd prefer a better player, but if we end up paying someone to suck ass again, I hope we at least save ourselves some money.

[polamalubeast]

We can't do worse than Trubisky, he's an expensive piece of shit. I'd prefer a better player, but if we end up paying someone to suck ass again, I hope we at least save ourselves some money.

Yes we can save a lot of money by cutting Mitch but we can have way worst backup that Mitch.....Do you remember Michael Vick in 2015?

[DesertSteel]

Yes we can save a lot of money by cutting Mitch but we can have way worst backup that Mitch.....Do you remember Michael Vick in 2015?
I’ll take Vick.

[Steeler-in-west]

If it doesn't make football sense its probably because the decision is not football related but more financial or political, IMO

In this day and age with replay and analysis available to everyone, fans are more informed and educated on the actual play on the field than ever before. If it doesn't make sense to us in terms of football we're probably right or at least on to something. Of course the politics and financial stuff is harder to discern. I find it curious that Rooney was the one who made the statement on MT, i don't recall Tomlin making a statement on MT or Canada for that matter. Wouldn't the Coach or GM make statements or personnel?

Keeping Mitch, who's proved unreliable as a backup (at 8 million) doesn't make sense. And it doesn't make sense for Mitch to want to stay either for that matter after the comments he's made. We'll see how this plays out.

Of course there's the Canada factor at play with those QB roll outs of his, MT is certainly good at rolling out

[86WARD]

Yes we can save a lot of money by cutting Mitch but we can have way worst backup that Mitch.....Do you remember Michael Vick in 2015?

Yikes…no thanks. I think I’d stick with Mitch. At least he’s able to complete a couple passes. Vick made AB look below average…

[polamalubeast]

I’ll take Vick.

Please,Vick was so bad that he make peak AB look garbage....

[DesertSteel]

Please,Vick was so bad that he make peak AB look garbage....
Vick > Trubisky

[polamalubeast]

Vick > Trubisky

Why?

[DesertSteel]

Why?
He went 2-1 with an 80 passer rating and only one INT.

[polamalubeast]

He went 2-1 with an 80 passer rating and only one INT.

He was only one who could shutdown Antonio Brown in his peak!

[DesertSteel]

He was only one who could shutdown Antonio Brown in his peak!
So it's all about AB and not wins?

[polamalubeast]

So it's all about AB and not wins?

The steelers won 2 games despite Vick,not because of Vick but I know you are just trolling on this!

[pczach]

Yikes…no thanks. I think I’d stick with Mitch. At least he’s able to complete a couple passes. Vick made AB look below average…



I agree. Vick could barely complete a pass when he was with the Steelers.

I know everyone is down on Trubisky, but he's far better than some other backups they have had here. I don't love the $8 mil salary either, but he is under contract, the salary cap is going up, and quarterbacks aren't cheap.

[DesertSteel]

I think most of would be okay with Trubisky for $3 million, but not $8.

[polamalubeast]

I think most of would be okay with Trubisky for $3 million, but not $8.

I agree

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I think most of would be okay with Trubisky for $3 million, but not $8.

I agree

[Born2Steel]

I think currently Mitch is only guaranteed $2.6M in 2023. If the Steelers convert more of this contract to signing bonus(2.6 to 5.6) and extend him 1 season, you can get Mitch as backup for $3M/year. Plus Mitch gets an extra $1M just to do it.

Trading Mitch leaves us with only KP as the only QB under contract. The trade would likely need to include a QB. Who would make that trade and how would we get better with that trade?

Waiving Mitch just to save $8M still leaves us with only 1 QB on the roster. Now we have to spend a draft pick on a QB. And leaves us with little to no leverage in FA deals.

I do not do this for a living so my guesses could be way off. This is just where my mind is on the MT situation. Mitch may cost too much for a backup but that deal was struck before we had drafted KP. Also, Mitch is a better QB than all of our backup QBs in recent history, Rudolph, Duck, Haskins, Jones, and Vick. Might be a ride it out 1 more year situation.

[DesertSteel]

Seeing how no action is their default action, I expect Mitch back.

[Born2Steel]

If the Steelers were to pay MT his $2.6M and let him walk this offseason, who do you bring in, FA vet-wise? There are a few names on the list that understand their role as backup and would not come in trying for the starter job. Add the 2.6 to whatever they sign for and that's what we would be paying for a backup QB for 2023. Josh Dobbs has been the $1M per year guy but he's also been the 3rd QB. Looks like Chase Daniel and Chad Henne played last season for $2M and I think Henne got some play time and did well. Cooper Rush played for around $1M and he played well for the Cowboys while Dak was out. I think he will get more in 2023 though. If we pay a backup $5M what are we really saving?

[86WARD]

Quality back ups usually go for $3M range…gibe or take. It’s always been close to that number.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Hey, where is Mason Rudolph, has any team shown interest in him?

Steelers look like Trubisky and Morgan will goto camp as #2 and #3, but still likely need another camp arm.

[tube517]

Hey, where is Mason Rudolph, has any team shown interest in him?

Steelers look like Trubisky and Morgan will goto camp as #2 and #3, but still likely need another camp arm.Both him and his Oklahoma St teammate James Washington are free agents.

Have not seen anybody interested in either one.

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[86WARD]

Both him and his Oklahoma St teammate James Washington are free agents.

Have not seen anybody interested in either one.

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Dallas had Washington for a short period but injuries pretty much did him in…TY Hilton took his spot last season.

[tube517]

Hunter Johnson
Tanner Morgan
Bryce Perkins


Could the #3 QB come from this group?

Never heard of any of them.


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[oneforthetoe]

Listening to Khan on the radio this week, he showed no interest whatsoever in signing a veteran back-up. Not surprisingly, he mentioned Mitch as the veteran, QB sage, for Kenny. Unless Mitch decides to accept his fate as a career back-up, maybe we look for another veteran player next season? Not so much as a mentor, but as a fill in in Kenny's absence.

[86WARD]

Listening to Khan on the radio this week, he showed no interest whatsoever in signing a veteran back-up. Not surprisingly, he mentioned Mitch as the veteran, QB sage, for Kenny. Unless Mitch decides to accept his fate as a career back-up, maybe we look for another veteran player next season? Not so much as a mentor, but as a fill in in Kenny's absence.

https://media4.giphy.com/media/3o6vXVzKWtkOIpyNMs/giphy.gif

Just keep Kenny and Mitch. There’s no need for a third guy. You can sign someone if one of the other two get injured. There’s your extra roster spot for whatever you were looking to carry too many of…

[oneforthetoe]

https://media4.giphy.com/media/3o6vXVzKWtkOIpyNMs/giphy.gif

Just keep Kenny and Mitch. There’s no need for a third guy. You can sign someone if one of the other two get injured. There’s your extra roster spot for whatever you were looking to carry too many of…

Agreed. If you have to, because of injuries, you can always make a trade down the road for someone with a little experience in with your organization:

And I think it's going to be a long long time
'til touchdown brings me round again to find
I'm not the man they think I am at home
Oh, no, no, no I'm a rocket man .......

[Steelerette]

I’m surprised Trubisky doesn’t feel like he got a raw deal here. I think if he’d made it clear there’ll be a 0% chance he will settle into a longterm backup role, there’d have been an attempt to bring Rudolph back.

And maybe that all happened behind closed doors. How could we know?

[Mojouw]

I’m surprised Trubisky doesn’t feel like he got a raw deal here. I think if he’d made it clear there’ll be a 0% chance he will settle into a longterm backup role, there’d have been an attempt to bring Rudolph back.

And maybe that all happened behind closed doors. How could we know?

Trubisky is the ONLY one who doesn’t understand the NFL is done with him as a starter.

It’s like when a player is the last to realize they should retire.

Last season was his final chance to demonstrate he’s anything salvageable and he imploded.

[Steelerette]

I could see that either way. There have likely been internal discussions with him that stayed internal. I could see him feeling some kind of way about how the beginning of the season was but nevertheless coming to grips with what his place is. But let’s say he’s accepted his fate: he’s not really going to say “yeap, stick a fork in me baby.”

I’m not in love with the guy but after you factor in the dead money, there’s not really anyone better that you’re going to get for cheaper this year. If that can turn into him becoming our next Tomczak, I’ll take it.

[ETL]

I think any backup knows that there is a “healthy” chance that the starter can be injured and miss time. So they will have a chance to show what they can do. At this stage - this is the best they can ask for. I hope Mitch can see what he is and see how he can be a valuable part of the Steelers for a long time and also reap the benefits of a stable storied franchise.

[Orion]

I think any backup knows that there is a “healthy” chance that the starter can be injured and miss time. So they will have a chance to show what they can do. At this stage - this is the best they can ask for. I hope Mitch can see what he is and see how he can be a valuable part of the Steelers for a long time and also reap the benefits of a stable storied franchise. Mitch can also see the coordinators horrible offense and game plans

[DesertSteel]

Agreed. If you have to, because of injuries, you can always make a trade down the road for someone with a little experience in with your organization:

And I think it's going to be a long long time
'til touchdown brings me round again to find
I'm not the man they think I am at home
Oh, no, no, no I'm a rocket man .......
It’s called practice squad player.

[ETL]

Mitch can also see the coordinators horrible offense and game plans

I am totally drinking Steelers Kool aid and totally believing that Canada will make us a high powered offense this year. A second year with a young mobile QB will reap benefits.

[DuckHodges]

I am totally drinking Steelers Kool aid and totally believing that Canada will make us a high powered offense this year. A second year with a young mobile QB will reap benefits.

Brady made a mediocre coach a surefire hall of famer, so there's that

[oneforthetoe]

It’s called practice squad player.

Of course. I was just trying to make a veiled reference.....

[Steeler-in-west]

My only comment left for this thread is I hope KP stays healthy cause we’re done if he goes down for any significant time. And thats assuming Canada doesn’t get in his way

[DesertSteel]

My only comment left for this thread is I hope KP stays healthy cause we’re done if he goes down for any significant time. And thats assuming Canada doesn’t get in his way
Which team’s fans would say otherwise?

[86WARD]

Which team’s fans would say otherwise?

Maybe Raiders, Giants and Eagles? Plunkett, Hiestetler and Foles?

Maybe??

[Steeler-in-west]

Which team’s fans would say otherwise?

Last year Tyler Huntley kept the Ravens afloat and got them in the postseason

I doubt captain Mitch could do that.

[GBMelBlount]

Last year Tyler Huntley kept the Ravens afloat and got them in the postseason

I doubt captain Mitch could do that.

With an improved offensive line and a healthy Najee Harris, I think our chances of winning games with a game manager at QB increase.

[Mojouw]

Last year Tyler Huntley kept the Ravens afloat and got them in the postseason

I doubt captain Mitch could do that.

I really think the Huntley as decent to even functional back-up QB myth needs to die. In a fire or something.

He "beat" an awful Denver team by a point. Split with mediocre at best Steelers team. And scuffled past a horrendous Falcons team. All while losing to the Browns.

If a Steelers QB had come in and performed as he did, we would all be for riding the guy out of town on a rail. But somehow....someway....internet football fans and media laud Huntley like he did anything. It is really strange....even as back-up QBs go...he didn't really do that well.

[Steeler-in-west]

I really think the Huntley as decent to even functional back-up QB myth needs to die. In a fire or something.

He "beat" an awful Denver team by a point. Split with mediocre at best Steelers team. And scuffled past a horrendous Falcons team. All while losing to the Browns.

If a Steelers QB had come in and performed as he did, we would all be for riding the guy out of town on a rail. But somehow....someway....internet football fans and media laud Huntley like he did anything. It is really strange....even as back-up QBs go...he didn't really do that well.

he did enough to win. From the outside specially as a non-Ravens fan (except for the Steelers game) you look at the end result. If KP goes down I don't have any faith Mitch could keep the Steelers afloat at 500. He can't even make the simple short pass with any consistency. I think its his mobility that Canada likes - that's at least half the reason he's still around.

[DesertSteel]

Last year Tyler Huntley kept the Ravens afloat and got them in the postseason

I doubt captain Mitch could do that.
Yeah Huntley put up Pro Bowl numbers (apparently).

[Mojouw]

he did enough to win. From the outside specially as a non-Ravens fan (except for the Steelers game) you look at the end result. If KP goes down I don't have any faith Mitch could keep the Steelers afloat at 500. He can't even make the simple short pass with any consistency. I think its his mobility that Canada likes - that's at least half the reason he's still around.

They are basically the same guy. Intensely flawed QBs. Stats wise, they are about the same guy with different play styles. If anything, MT stats are slightly better.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TrubMi00/gamelog/2022/
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HuntTy01/gamelog/2022/

Everyone just likes Huntley because " Ohh... Fun! A UDFA won a game. Let's make this a thing!" In contrast, Trubisky is failed 1st round pick that has lost 2 starting jobs to less than scintillating competition.

I would like a better back-up QB option than MT. I wish MT was off the roster entirely. But I am not pining away for Huntley.

[86WARD]

Both him and his Oklahoma St teammate James Washington are free agents.

Have not seen anybody interested in either one.

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Washington signed by Saints.

[tube517]

Washington signed by Saints.Just saw this. Rudolph still a free agent

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[DesertSteel]

Just saw this. Rudolph still a free agent

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XFL won’t start up again until February.

[86WARD]

I’d rather just keep Pickett and Trubisky. Trubisky is a good back up QB. Players like him, he’s a veteran, he’s got a winning record, he’s not terrible.

[DesertSteel]

Mason is now a Steeler again...........

[Edman]

I’d rather just keep Pickett and Trubisky. Trubisky is a good back up QB. Players like him, he’s a veteran, he’s got a winning record, he’s not terrible.

He's not terrible as a backup. The main problem with Mitch is that he believes he's a starter and he's not.

[Steeler-in-west]

They are basically the same guy. Intensely flawed QBs. Stats wise, they are about the same guy with different play styles. If anything, MT stats are slightly better.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TrubMi00/gamelog/2022/
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HuntTy01/gamelog/2022/

Everyone just likes Huntley because " Ohh... Fun! A UDFA won a game. Let's make this a thing!" In contrast, Trubisky is failed 1st round pick that has lost 2 starting jobs to less than scintillating competition.

I would like a better back-up QB option than MT. I wish MT was off the roster entirely. But I am not pining away for Huntley.

there is some truth to what you say. Huntley is an underdog considering he wasn't drafted and he managed to keep the Ravens afloat and get them in the playoffs. He's performed beyond expectations. Mitch is a 1st round bust and still thinks he's a starter. That's also a big reason why i don't think he's an ideal mentor to KP.

[Steelerette]

Mason is now a Steeler again...........
According to Poni. Fittipaldo said he’s just coming for a visit tomorrow. Poni clowning again.

I would be in favor, and I wouldn’t consider it to mean that Trubisky was going anywhere this year.

[86WARD]

He's not terrible as a backup. The main problem with Mitch is that he believes he's a starter and he's not.

I don’t know that that’s a true fact.

[Dwinsgames]

Last year Tyler Huntley kept the Ravens afloat and got them in the postseason

I doubt captain Mitch could do that.


actually the defense did it not Huntley he was abysmal ....

[Steeler-in-west]

actually the defense did it not Huntley he was abysmal ....

He let the defense win it for him. that's what a semi decent backup does.

Mitch threw pics at the worst time last season.

[Orion]

he did enough to win. From the outside specially as a non-Ravens fan (except for the Steelers game) you look at the end result. If KP goes down I don't have any faith Mitch could keep the Steelers afloat at 500. He can't even make the simple short pass with any consistency. I think its his mobility that Canada likes - that's at least half the reason he's still around.
how do you explain the 11 wins in 14 starts mitch had in 2018 ? or the 6 wins in 9 starts in 2020 ? he apparently is capable of playing well enough to help put as many or more W's on the board than L's as any QB is with the right coaching and supporting cast. i mean even Canada's crappy offense is capable of producing W's. we sometimes forget football is a TEAM sport. no single person wins or loses games.

[Steeler-in-west]

how do you explain the 11 wins in 14 starts mitch had in 2018 ? or the 6 wins in 9 starts in 2020 ? he apparently is capable of playing well enough to help put as many or more W's on the board than L's as any QB is with the right coaching and supporting cast. i mean even Canada's crappy offense is capable of producing W's. we sometimes forget football is a TEAM sport. no single person wins or loses games.

I don’t know, maybe it had to do with having the worst on target rate in the league. I’m sure the bears can add a little more reason to why they dumped him in favor of Andy Dalton

[Orion]

I don’t know, maybe it had to do with having the worst on target rate in the league. I’m sure the bears can add a little more reason to why they dumped him in favor of Andy Dalton
its called the fifth year option and increased pay. if i was the bears i wouldnt have paid it either. but lets not pretend they had more success with Dalton. he was just a cheaper option. people are singing fields praises in chicago about his individual efforts but that did not translate to W's. why ? because the rest of the team and coaching sucked ass. im not arguing that mitch is a keeper. im just saying with a solid team and coaching behind him he will put up .500+ seasons.

[Steeler-in-west]

its called the fifth year option and increased pay. if i was the bears i wouldnt have paid it either. but lets not pretend they had more success with Dalton. he was just a cheaper option. people are singing fields praises in chicago about his individual efforts but that did not translate to W's. why ? because the rest of the team and coaching sucked ass. im not arguing that mitch is a keeper. im just saying with a solid team and coaching behind him he will put up .500+ seasons.

well the bears chose not to keep him in spite of the W’s and with a stacked team. If he was good they would pay him. This tells me he’s really flawed which is supported by his horrible on target rate, the fact no one else wanted him as a starter and the ineffectiveness he’s shown as a starter with us and the erratic inconsistency as a backup. The high price tag for this stuff makes it worse. I hope he gets another shot at a starting gig somewhere else

[86WARD]

When did the Bears have a stacked team? [emoji23]

[Orion]

1985 ?

[86WARD]

1985 ?

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[Orion]

well the bears chose not to keep him in spite of the W’s and with a stacked team. If he was good they would pay him. This tells me he’s really flawed which is supported by his horrible on target rate, the fact no one else wanted him as a starter and the ineffectiveness he’s shown as a starter with us and the erratic inconsistency as a backup. The high price tag for this stuff makes it worse. I hope he gets another shot at a starting gig somewhere else
i agree he hasnt shown to be solid starting material. you had concerns of him in a backup roll and stated you doubt he could produce a .500 record. well he has already produced better than .500 records in 3 different seasons. a 10-4, a 6-3 and an 8-7.
they have just as much chance as him coming in off the bench as mason . backups are backups, because they aren't starter quality. not very often does a qb relegated to backup duty ever become a successful starter. the thing that pisses me off is the $$$. he should be making 5 at most.

[Steeler-in-west]

i agree he hasnt shown to be solid starting material. you had concerns of him in a backup roll and stated you doubt he could produce a .500 record. well he has already produced better than .500 records in 3 different seasons. a 10-4, a 6-3 and an 8-7.
they have just as much chance as him coming in off the bench as mason . backups are backups, because they aren't starter quality. not very often does a qb relegated to backup duty ever become a successful starter. the thing that pisses me off is the $$$. he should be making 5 at most.

you know, not sure about that. What i don't like about MT is he can't throw accurately (not consistently) - even simple passes in the flat - see the chart of on target rates - i dug it up and posted it here once - he's the worst. And when he tries to elevate his game we get the Raven's fiasco. Mason is mediocre but he seems to know his limitations better. I would be more confident of him letting the defense win the game for us than Mitch.

I don't know what happened in Chicago, but if they let him go in spite of the winning record to me that says the coaches viewed him as holding back a good bears team.

[86WARD]

Rudolph has about the same throwing ability as Trubisky and is about as mobile as a kid birthed by Dan Marino and Peyton Manning.

Trubisky on the market and Rudolph in the market, Trubisky is getting signed 32/32 over Rudolph.

[polamalubeast]

We need to stop as if the Ravens game were the norm for Mitch when he was the backup....It was very rare that Rudolph had a game as Mitch had vs Bucs and Panthers when he was the backup.The norm for Rudolph was the game vs Detroit,around 5 YPA.....

[DesertSteel]

They both suck.

[86WARD]

They both suck.

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[Orion]

you know, not sure about that. What i don't like about MT is he can't throw accurately (not consistently) - even simple passes in the flat - see the chart of on target rates - i dug it up and posted it here once - he's the worst. And when he tries to elevate his game we get the Raven's fiasco. Mason is mediocre but he seems to know his limitations better. I would be more confident of him letting the defense win the game for us than Mitch.

I don't know what happened in Chicago, but if they let him go in spite of the winning record, to me that says the coaches viewed him as holding back a good bears team.
well...if you think about it, the level of consistency is the difference between a starter and a backup. It also separates the quality of starters. Tom Brady was more consistent than Big Ben. That is why he has way more SB rings. well that an all the cheating.

[Born2Steel]

None of the ‘camp arms’ are going to throw a better looking ball than Mason or Mitch. I think, my opinion, is Mitch is just a better QB than Mason. If one of these camp arms can show enough ‘Josh Dobbs’ as the 3, maybe he beats out MR’s better arm. ??

[EzraTank]

There is no way in hell both of them should be on this team next year, but they just added two more years to Trustinky's deal which makes no sense to keep Rudolph.

Here are Trustinky's new cap numbers:

https://steelersdepot.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/trubisky-contract-extension-details.jpg

I like Khan's draft but have NO clue why you would give this dude THIS much money. He stinks.

[Born2Steel]

There is no way in hell both of them should be on this team next year, but they just added two more years to Trustinky's deal which makes no sense to keep Rudolph.

Here are Trustinky's new cap numbers:

https://steelersdepot.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/trubisky-contract-extension-details.jpg

I like Khan's draft but have NO clue why you would give this dude THIS much money. He stinks.

That’s a really good deal for the backup QB. Is that accurate?