Claypool traded to the Bears for a 2023 2nd Round Pick

[hwalker84]

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2022/11/01/bears-trade-for-chase-claypool-steelers/

Thoughts?

[hawaiiansteeler]

I like it A LOT!!! :thumbsup:

[Rotorhead]

Stupid IMO, but not like we were using him correctly. The compensation is fine.

[Bluecoat96]

You can't pass up a 2nd rounder. GREAT move, although I do like Chase.

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[that1guy]

One 2nd round pick? That's it?!? We all knew he'd be traded but it seems like the Bears got te better end of this deal.

[SteeleReign]

One 2nd round pick? That's it?!? We all knew he'd be traded but it seems like the Bears got te better end of this deal.Based on what data?

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[EzraTank]

Well at least the Bears pick will be high (like ours). It's not like this team is going anywhere this year, let's just hope Omar can draft WR's like his predecessor.

EDIT: I just read they got the Ravens 2nd round pick that was part of the R. Smith deal. Oh well.

[86WARD]

Don’t like it at all. If it had to be done, compensation is good. Not a fan of it though…

[Steeler-in-west]

I wish they threw Canada in as part of the deal

[Iron Steeler]

A self proclaimed 3rd bed WR in the league for a 2nd rounder?!

I will be rooting hard against the bears now !

[Bluecoat96]

Nope. It is the bears original pick. Just corrected it on TV.

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[that1guy]

Based on what data?

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Data? This is an opinion not a political debate.

[Mojouw]

Don’t like it at all. If it had to be done, compensation is good. Not a fan of it though…
Same.

This makes me have other super angry thoughts about WRs though. Almost certainly means either the mighty midget or Sims (please let it be Sims) is the new slot WR. If that is the case, why wasn't Sims playing before this season? Like that period last season where they didn't have enough capable WRs...why not try him then? It would seem (giant leap on my part) that he's your new starting slot WR now. Did he get all that much better in one off-season?

Be interesting to see what Claypool does as a Bear. If he ever puts it together, he could be a monster with like zero competition for targets in that offense.

[hawaiiansteeler]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz4YTjHZ5is

[SteelMember]

"We want volunteers... ah, forget it.

[Mojouw]

Also...initially this seems like the kind of trade a rebuilding team makes. Fine. Great. That is what the Steelers are. So asset accumulation is never a bad thing.

But if 8 weeks into the season you are ready to push the "rebuild" button...why did they fart around all off-season with the "we're not rebuilding...we are competing" stuff?

This is starting to feel scarily like the lurching decision making of a "bad" franchise.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know. Claypool wasn't that good and is likely to never live up to his size and speed measurables. I'm not debating that. It is that they seem to have switched "process" multiple times between Ben R's retirement and the halfway point of the subsequent season. That rarely leads to good results.

[dislocatedday]

I like this, and think it is a good trade for each team. In the short term this degrades the Steelers, but it is not like the team's passing game is setting the league on fire this season anyway.

I like getting a 2nd round pick that should be a high 2nd rounder at that. It also gives Claypool a chance to be at least the WR2 and more likely WR1 for the Bears for the rest of this season. The Bears needs receivers for Justin Fields in the worst way.

[polamalubeast]

He would leave after the 2023 season so I have no problem with this trade....Of course without Canada he will be much better in Chicago.....

[SteeleReign]

Data? This is an opinion not a political debate.Fair enough, but I was just interested in hearing your take as to why the Bears got the better of the deal. Yes, I get the whole bird-in-hand theory, but with the quality of the Steelers product so far, I prefer to see what's in the bush.

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[tube517]

I'll take it. He's gone after next year anyways. Now, we'll be the 1980s Commandos/Foreskins w/one tall receiver and 3 smurfs.

[T&B fan]

He would leave after the 2023 season so I have no problem with this trade....Of course without Canada he will be much better in Chicago.....

yup

[polamalubeast]

It could be a high second round pick too....The bears have traded 2 of their best defensive player in the last few days and they give up 49 points in Dallas....They are 3-5 right now

[Mojouw]

https://steelersdepot.com/2022/11/report-chase-claypool-deemed-distraction-in-locker-room-trade-had-been-on-table-for-weeks/

None of this seems surprising. I wouldn't want to catch 3 yard crossing patterns in this offense for the next two years either.

Maybe this is one of those rare trades where everyone wins?

[polamalubeast]

https://steelersdepot.com/2022/11/report-chase-claypool-deemed-distraction-in-locker-room-trade-had-been-on-table-for-weeks/

None of this seems surprising. I wouldn't want to catch 3 yard crossing patterns in this offense for the next two years either.

Maybe this is one of those rare trades where everyone wins?

For Claypool and the steelers,likely....But for Chicago,we will see.They are 3-5 right now and they have just traded their 2 best defensive player in the last few days,so if the bears are not much better in 2023 and they don't sign Claypool after that,this is a bad trade for them

[Orion]

good move. now maybe the better receiver, Pickens, will get more targets. i guess tomlin finally accepted he doesnt have a winning formula, so its time to change the ingredients. EVEN Stevie wonder could have seen before the season started the offensive line was far from being fixed.
i am a bit shocked they made this move after they didnt activate austin.

[steelreserve]

I was in favor of trading him if we could get a return that high. SO glad I'm not the one running the franchise.





In all seriousness, I really did not see any way this guy had a future with the team, so it's good we got something for him, wouldn't have even expected it to be that high. Bears' pick is likely to be a high one, too.

A second-round pick this offseason also sure beats the hell out of a "third-round comp pick" in 2025 that more realistically would just be nothing.

[Steeler-in-west]

Don’t like it at all. If it had to be done, compensation is good. Not a fan of it though…

the fact that the elephant is still in the room is the reason I don’t like it. Wasn’t Claypool one of the guys who just publicly dissed the playcalling?

[86WARD]

Same.

This makes me have other super angry thoughts about WRs though. Almost certainly means either the mighty midget or Sims (please let it be Sims) is the new slot WR. If that is the case, why wasn't Sims playing before this season? Like that period last season where they didn't have enough capable WRs...why not try him then? It would seem (giant leap on my part) that he's your new starting slot WR now. Did he get all that much better in one off-season?

Be interesting to see what Claypool does as a Bear. If he ever puts it together, he could be a monster with like zero competition for targets in that offense.

What scares me most is there seems like there’s an arrogant feeling like any receiver can be replaced because “the Steelers know how to draft receivers”. Eventually there’s garbage that is selected and that actually happens way more frequently than people realize with this team…it’s gonna bite them in the ass…

James Washington
Demarcus Ayers
Sammie Coates
Dri Archer
Markus Wheaton
Justin Brown
Toney Clemons

There’s more misses than hits since 2010…

Antonio Brown
Martavis Bryant
JuJu Smith-Schuster
Diontae Johnson
Chase Claypool

Not to mention the free agents that don’t really workout…

[SteelMember]

Guess Boykin gets work in the offense now...


I wish they threw Canada in as part of the deal

With Gunner and Sims probably getting more snaps, Canada probably sees this as an opportunity to call more jet sweeps and reverses. :doh:

[DesertSteel]

I wish they threw Canada in as part of the deal
That would have downgraded it to a 7th rounder for compensation. But still worth it!

[hawaiiansteeler]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5JqgaMMtcM

[RunNGun]

Same.

This makes me have other super angry thoughts about WRs though. Almost certainly means either the mighty midget or Sims (please let it be Sims) is the new slot WR. If that is the case, why wasn't Sims playing before this season? Like that period last season where they didn't have enough capable WRs...why not try him then? It would seem (giant leap on my part) that he's your new starting slot WR now. Did he get all that much better in one off-season?

Be interesting to see what Claypool does as a Bear. If he ever puts it together, he could be a monster with like zero competition for targets in that offense.

I remember a certain someone saying they couldn't even get a 4th for Claypool. ;) 2nd round pick for Claypool is a good move. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

[fansince'76]

Once upon a time, the Bears had "Sweetness."

Now they have "Softness."

I think they'll see a difference.

On a side note, a 2nd round pick for a 6'4" WR who plays like he's 5'8" is a really good deal.

[Mojouw]

I remember a certain someone saying they couldn't even get a 4th for Claypool. ;) 2nd round pick for Claypool is a good move. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

I did say that and I don't have a problem with saying it.

The Bears over-paid. There is a version of Claypool based on physical traits that is super worth a second round pick. The guy currently running routes in his jersey is not.

Maybe the Bears move him back outside and he flourishes?

[dislocatedday]

Guess Boykin gets work in the offense now...



With Gunner and Sims probably getting more snaps, Canada probably sees this as an opportunity to call more jet sweeps and reverses. :doh:

But can they throw a left-handed pass on a jet sweep like Claypool? :dance:

[RunNGun]

I did say that and I don't have a problem with saying it.

The Bears over-paid. There is a version of Claypool based on physical traits that is super worth a second round pick. The guy currently running routes in his jersey is not.

Maybe the Bears move him back outside and he flourishes?

Claypool is a freak, but he can't run routes and he never developed chemistry with any of the QBs because they couldn't trust him to be where he needed to be. If he ever figures that part of the game out he could be a good WR.

I don't view him as an outside WR. Usually those guys are the ones who create separation. He can't do that.

They definitely overpaid and I love it.

[pczach]

I understand why the Steelers made this trade. They are getting a high second round pick for a player that hasn't had a huge role in the offense. They got pretty good value for him, so I get it.

What I don't understand is that in recent weeks, he has been the guy that Pickett looks for in third down situations or when he's running for his life. There appeared to be some chemistry building between the two. Also, Claypool was getting tough yards, running hard and dragging people to get first downs. That is now gone. Who's going to get those yards now... Diontae Johnson??? :jerkit:

The other thing that bothers me is that this is a guy that had 11 touchdowns as a rookie. They fell in love with Diontae Johnson, and forced Claypool to play in the slot, a role that he had never played before. He clearly struggled to learn the position quickly, and his production is way down in a hooooooorible offense.

The most concerning thing of all is that the team never figured out how to use him. Somehow, they made him an NFL sensation in a different offense with a different OC......but the dopes running the show now can't figure out how to use him????? What the flying f@%k is this team doing? If they don't fix the problem with the people misusing the talent and designing bad offenses, it won't matter who they draft.

Since his rookie season, Claypool has the fifth most receiving yards on tight window throws in the NFL. That doesn't sound like a guy that there isn't a need for with a rookie QB. You find a way to get the most out of a player and adjust scheme to fit the talent in the room.

I'm hoping that they can turn these picks into great players. I hope Omar Khan nails this upcoming draft and the team turns it around. I just hope that they solve the bigger issues that are holding this team down. Chase Claypool was a symptom caused by the current lack of coaching, offensive design, and being forced into a role he didn't fit by men that don't appear to understand offensive football at an NFL level.

I suspect Claypool is going to thrive in Chicago, and that his talents will be more apparent and cultivated there.

[Dissolv]

I thought this was an April Fools joke come way late or something.

I APPROVE of the trade. Not that I like that Claypool is ultimately a miss for us. He could have, should have, and may eventually be a monster.....somewhere. But not here, not trapped in our crappy offense. And we need rebuilding capital. An under performing WR for a 2nd when we need to rebuild? Yes please, and thank you.

And yeah, we are wholesale rebuilding, imo. This year will have some good games in there....somewhere....... but end of the day I don't see how they can get their act together and overcome all the hurdles that have to be competitive this year. Nope. This year is drink beer, eat chips, enjoy that there is a game on type year. Same old Steelers. Return of the 80's. You know the drill.

I figure the real question is how long will they have to "rebuild". Hopefully they can make a few more clutch trades like this, draft well, and be back on their feet in a year or two. Not looking forward to a decade of stagnation.

[Dwinsgames]

Claypool was vocal about this offense sucking , I'm guessing he asked for a trade and they said sure and at that point proceeded to offer him to teams with shitty offenses ( just not as shitty as ours ) to say you wanted a trade there ya go have at it hope you are happy ... if Bears continue to play as they have ( like us really shitty) then we get more out of Claypool than we originally paid and we paid him min money in the process ( rookie deal )

I like it

[86WARD]

I understand why the Steelers made this trade. They are getting a high second round pick for a player that hasn't had a huge role in the offense. They got pretty good value for him, so I get it.

What I don't understand is that in recent weeks, he has been the guy that Pickett looks for in third down situations or when he's running for his life. There appeared to be some chemistry building between the two. Also, Claypool was getting tough yards, running hard and dragging people to get first downs. That is now gone. Who's going to get those yards now... Diontae Johnson??? :jerkit:

The other thing that bothers me is that this is a guy that had 11 touchdowns as a rookie. They fell in love with Diontae Johnson, and forced Claypool to play in the slot, a role that he had never played before. He clearly struggled to learn the position quickly, and his production is way down in a hooooooorible offense.

The most concerning thing of all is that the team never figured out how to use him. Somehow, they made him an NFL sensation in a different offense with a different OC......but the dopes running the show now can't figure out how to use him????? What the flying f@%k is this team doing? If they don't fix the problem with the people misusing the talent and designing bad offenses, it won't matter who they draft.

Since his rookie season, Claypool has the fifth most receiving yards on tight window throws in the NFL. That doesn't sound like a guy that there isn't a need for with a rookie QB. You find a way to get the most out of a player and adjust scheme to fit the talent in the room.

I'm hoping that they can turn these picks into great players. I hope Omar Khan nails this upcoming draft and the team turns it around. I just hope that they solve the bigger issues that are holding this team down. Chase Claypool was a symptom caused by the current lack of coaching, offensive design, and being forced into a role he didn't fit by men that don't appear to understand offensive football at an NFL level.

I suspect Claypool is going to thrive in Chicago, and that his talents will be more apparent and cultivated there.

Second time now…take Claypool out and insert JuJu and you have the exact same story…

Don’t need JuJu they have Claypool. Don’t need Claypool, they have Boykin…lol. Okay…

[DesertSteel]

Boykin is not an NFL receiver. He's great on ST, but he's no WR.

[polamalubeast]

The steelers have only 2 NFL caliber WR in their roster at this point....Maybe they will run the ball more often in the second half?.....Of course they need to be much better(and need more Warren too)

[hawaiiansteeler]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnoMoWZMAbw

[pczach]

Second time now…take Claypool out and insert JuJu and you have the exact same story…

Don’t need JuJu they have Claypool. Don’t need Claypool, they have Boykin…lol. Okay…


Yep. We were told by many here that JuJu can't play anymore. He's not even a #2 WR. Good riddance!

He looks a little better in a real NFL offense, when every pass isn’t within 2 yards of the LOS. Playing in the slot in this offense is NFL purgatory.

I can't say it enough times. It's the system stupid!

[that1guy]

Yep. We were told by many here that JuJu can't play anymore. He's not even a #2 WR. Good riddance!

He looks a little better in a real NFL offense, when every pass isn’t within 2 yards of the LOS. Playing in the slot in this offense is NFL purgatory.

I can't say it enough times. It's the system stupid!

100%! The Steelers weren't capable of developing or utilizing Claypool properly.

[EzraTank]

The Bears traded Roquan Smith for a second round pick. Then we got a 2nd round pick for Claypool.

I wish we just straight up traded Claypool for Smith. Then we could just let Bush walk next year.

[Edman]

Yep. We were told by many here that JuJu can't play anymore. He's not even a #2 WR. Good riddance!

He looks a little better in a real NFL offense, when every pass isn’t within 2 yards of the LOS. Playing in the slot in this offense is NFL purgatory.

I can't say it enough times. It's the system stupid!

Juju was expected to step up and become a #1 receiver after Brown left, and never materialized. Claypool likewise. We don't have a true #1 receiver, and never had one since Antonio Brown left. The fact that Juju is the #2 guy in Kansas City proves it. Even if he's doing better (good for him), he's their #2 receiver.

I expect the same from Claypool. Not a #1 guy but being moved to a system that lets him use his strengths better.

The fact that we're just shipping Claypool out and Canada is still employed is just re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic. You can put Montana and Rice in this offense and they would still suck hard. Matt Canada is a tool and I can't stand him.

[Born2Steel]

On the trade ONLY...

I had said earlier I would start with asking for a 2nd and 4th, only because of some of the crazy stuff teams have been getting for players in trade. A 2nd with the Bears is still a pretty good return for a WR we weren't extending anyway. I really wish Claypool had worked out but I said the same about Martavius too. I honestly don't think this will hurt the team this season or next season, and then he would be a free agent. We're not shipping Claypool out, we are trading him for value. If he goes on to a HoF career with the Bears then good for him.

[DesertSteel]

Got more for Claypool than we did for AB.

[Dwinsgames]

Got more for Claypool than we did for AB.

got more than what we initially paid too bears 2nd round pick is not gonna be pick 17 in round 2 ... good chance its a top 40 selection in entire draft

[86WARD]

Juju was expected to step up and become a #1 receiver after Brown left, and never materialized. Claypool likewise. We don't have a true #1 receiver, and never had one since Antonio Brown left. The fact that Juju is the #2 guy in Kansas City proves it. Even if he's doing better (good for him), he's their #2 receiver.

I expect the same from Claypool. Not a #1 guy but being moved to a system that lets him use his strengths better.

The fact that we're just shipping Claypool out and Canada is still employed is just re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic. You can put Montana and Rice in this offense and they would still suck hard. Matt Canada is a tool and I can't stand him.

Who said JuJu was supposed to be the number one receiver in Pittsburgh? JuJu is considered the number one in KC although KC kinda doesn’t really have a number one…but JuJu is considered the number one.

[Edman]

100%! The Steelers weren't capable of developing or utilizing Claypool properly.

Tried him as a deep threat. He can't high-point passes and loses jump balls to guys smaller than he is.

Tried as an intermediate threat. He runs sloppy routes.

Tried him in the slot. He's too slow and doesn't use his size.

Claypool may go to a team and coach that can teach him to use his size, but it isn't here.

[Orion]

https://media.tenor.com/0E4o66052usAAAAM/dayummm.gif

well there goes our shot at the superbowl this year ...:panic:

[cubanstogie]

Claypool initially looked like megatron, but lately has been closer to Limas Sweed. Martavis was better and Steelers got less from Raiders. Although he had personal issues so not apples to apples. Considering his production a good trade, possibly benefit both teams.

[pczach]

Tried him as a deep threat. He can't high-point passes and loses jump balls to guys smaller than he is.

Tried as an intermediate threat. He runs sloppy routes.

Tried him in the slot. He's too slow and doesn't use his size.

Claypool may go to a team and coach that can teach him to use his size, but it isn't here.





What did they try him as when he had 11 touchdowns as a rookie? That's what everyone needs to be asking.

He had no problem high pointing the ball and being a red zone nightmare for defenses.

They saw what he did well, and let him do it. He crushed it for the team. He didn't have a ton of time at the position and wasn't really ever developed in running routes or reading defenses with limited time in high-end football in high school and in college. Then Ben went down. Then they kept moving him around to different WR positions. Then they change the offense again. Then they move him to the slot, which he has never played before and has a completely different skillset....and there is a ton to learn running routes based on coverage, developing chemistry with the QB and getting a real feel for where to stop versus zone and when to continue his route. He also struggled with things that should be easily taught like learning to stop pushing a route upfield in certain situations when he should have been flattening the route to create more separation and make easier throws for his QB.

There are a ton of questions to be asked. Maybe much of this is on him, but I know that the team didn't maximize his skills or scheme things to help him succeed after his rookie season. It certainly didn't help the team succeed either. I can understand some of this if other guys were tearing it up and the team was winning like crazy, but that hasn't been the case.

I'm happy the team got a good draft pick for him, and I hope the team crushes it in this upcoming draft.

I will still be hoping for his personal success in Chicago, just as I am happy for JuJu in Kansas City.

[86WARD]

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[Psycho Ward 86]

What scares me most is there seems like there’s an arrogant feeling like any receiver can be replaced because “the Steelers know how to draft receivers”. Eventually there’s garbage that is selected and that actually happens way more frequently than people realize with this team…it’s gonna bite them in the ass…

James Washington
Demarcus Ayers
Sammie Coates
Dri Archer
Markus Wheaton
Justin Brown
Toney Clemons

There’s more misses than hits since 2010…

Antonio Brown
Martavis Bryant
JuJu Smith-Schuster
Diontae Johnson
Chase Claypool

Not to mention the free agents that don’t really workout…

This doesnt get talked about enough. But i think we can let some of these late round picks like Demarcus Ayers off the hook. All that being said, we still got a kings ransom for Claypool showing zip this season outside of the Bucs game and STILL getting back likely a superior 2nd round pick than what was used on him. Ill take that any day

[Dwinsgames]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20221102/ea8e90ca2fd69e9971bf8606bb85428d.jpg

he has been vocal about this offense ( who can blame him we all have been too ) so yeah that might be considered a distraction ...

truth be told I would be more concerned if players were not vocal and disgusted ...

Tomlin wants yes men not independent thinkers apparently

[86WARD]

Tomlin wants yes men not independent thinkers apparently

This is what will be his downfall…he’s now let one fan favorite and most dependable receiver walk and now let, possibly, the next most dependable receiver walk. The arrogance that they can keep drafting receivers is going to eventually hire them in the ass.

[86WARD]

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[polamalubeast]

This is what will be his downfall…he’s now let one fan favorite and most dependable receiver walk and now let, possibly, the next most dependable receiver walk. The arrogance that they can keep drafting receivers is going to eventually hire them in the ass.

I still waiting for that some national media to call Tomlin out for that!

[teegre]

Tomlin probably got tired of Claypool asking to play music during practices...

[polamalubeast]

Juju was expected to step up and become a #1 receiver after Brown left, and never materialized. Claypool likewise. We don't have a true #1 receiver, and never had one since Antonio Brown left. The fact that Juju is the #2 guy in Kansas City proves it. Even if he's doing better (good for him), he's their #2 receiver.

I expect the same from Claypool. Not a #1 guy but being moved to a system that lets him use his strengths better.

The fact that we're just shipping Claypool out and Canada is still employed is just re-arranging deck chairs on the Titanic. You can put Montana and Rice in this offense and they would still suck hard. Matt Canada is a tool and I can't stand him.

JuJu is the number 1 WR of the chiefs right now and their second option overall even if he is still new in their team.....The Steelers have wasted the talent of JuJu and several other players on offense since 2019 because of their poor offensive system...Very poor

[Mojouw]

So after a bit to think about it, I can see a great deal of benefit and value to both trades the team made yesterday. Honestly, if anything, it was a season or two too late. I will point out that it is a bet of potentially treading water though.

Take a look at the WR room for 2023:
Johnson
Pickens
Austin
Sims?
Boykin (ST's only)
OPEN

That's basically only 2.5 or 3 NFL caliber WRs. So....wanna bet that either the Bears pick or the Steelers original 2 becomes a WR? Especially because they don't have the body types they seem to like in the WR room right now. They have had their WRs blocking a lot and running a hihg % of 3 WR sets. DJ, Sims, Gunner, Austin, etc. aren't blocking anyone. Pickens can only play one position at a time...they're going to need someone else.

Also....I want to bang my head against a wall on the Sims issue. We had to deal with McCloud and Gunner when Sims was sitting right there the whole time. I've never understood why they didn't give him a look sooner. Oh well. It is here now.

[DesertSteel]

Also....I want to bang my head against a wall on the Sims issue. We had to deal with McCloud and Gunner when Sims was sitting right there the whole time. I've never understood why they didn't give him a look sooner. Oh well. It is here now.
Interesting read on Sims, coming out of college.

https://www.hogshaven.com/2019/5/5/18526406/washington-redskins-2019-udfa-profile-steven-sims-jr-wr-kansas

[Born2Steel]

Bears fans on the radio excited about getting a true #1 WR in this trade. A stat they have thrown out is Claypool has more ‘tight window’ catches than any other WR in the NFL this season. Sounds like win-win to me.

[DesertSteel]

"A true number one"

One team's trash is another team's treasure.

[SteelMember]

Well, there was no chance he was getting Pickens spot.

Don't think he ever had the speed to be an outside guy. He'll have to develop his moves and route running to pull it off, or just become the king of 50/50 balls.

Not sure what they are expecting... Brandon Marshall?

[Mojouw]

Interesting read on Sims, coming out of college.

https://www.hogshaven.com/2019/5/5/18526406/washington-redskins-2019-udfa-profile-steven-sims-jr-wr-kansas

I knew nothing about him before he had like one random good stretch of games with the WFT and then they let him go and he washed up in Pittsburgh. He can certainly fly and this is a relatively slow team overall so that could help. Assuming they let him on the field and don't just split up Claypools snaps between Gunner, Gentry, and Heyward the Younger.

[86WARD]

Take a look at the WR room for 2023:
Johnson
Pickens
Austin
Sims?
Boykin (ST's only)
OPEN



Yikes. That’s not a promising WR room…

[polamalubeast]

Yikes. That’s not a promising WR room…

It will be the excuse for Matt Canada in 2023!

[Mojouw]

Yikes. That’s not a promising WR room…

It is not. But I just listened to a podcast over lunch and due to some CBA stuff related to playing time for younger players, Claypool was going to be making $3.7 million dollars next year. No ifs ands or buts about it. That makes moving on for him for his original round pick just so much more understandable.

It also gives them clarity in the WR roles. Johnson is the X. Pickens is the Z down the field. And Sims/Austin is the undersized hope you don't break but faster than greased snot Y.

Unfortunately they have absolutely no depth. So a bargain bin FA that they will forget about halfway through the season and 2 draft picks?

[Dwinsgames]

Take a look at the WR room for 2023:
Johnson
Pickens
Austin
Sims?
Boykin (ST's only)
OPEN


I don't think that room is as bad as some think it is ....

Add in a mid round selection in 2023 ...

Austin was down right dirty in college if that translates and he gets healthy he is going to be a absolute NIGHTMARE to try and defend and I think Boykin is better than most here are willing to admit he just hasnt had a decent qb to throw to him and now he is in a system that would make Jerry Rice look like Dri Archer

[86WARD]

It is not. But I just listened to a podcast over lunch and due to some CBA stuff related to playing time for younger players, Claypool was going to be making $3.7 million dollars next year. No ifs ands or buts about it. That makes moving on for him for his original round pick just so much more understandable.

It also gives them clarity in the WR roles. Johnson is the X. Pickens is the Z down the field. And Sims/Austin is the undersized hope you don't break but faster than greased snot Y.

Unfortunately they have absolutely no depth. So a bargain bin FA that they will forget about halfway through the season and 2 draft picks?

Sims and Austin…if they are relying on that, they’re in big trouble…

[RunNGun]

I don't think that room is as bad as some think it is ....

Add in a mid round selection in 2023 ...

Austin was down right dirty in college if that translates and he gets healthy he is going to be a absolute NIGHTMARE to try and defend and I think Boykin is better than most here are willing to admit he just hasnt had a decent qb to throw to him and now he is in a system that would make Jerry Rice look like Dri Archer

Agreed. I'm sure they will look at some solid WRs in free agency, as well. I could see a Juju return to the Burgh as a possibility. I don't believe the Chiefs can afford to pay him and the Steelers should have some money to play with.

[polamalubeast]

Agreed. I'm sure they will look at some solid WRs in free agency, as well. I could see a Juju return to the Burgh as a possibility. I don't believe the Chiefs can afford to pay him and the Steelers should have some money to play with.

I don't think JuJu will want to be back unless the steelers have some major change and obvious improvement in our offense

[RunNGun]

I don't think JuJu will want to be back unless the steelers have some major change and obvious improvement in our offense

You're probably right, but he seemed loyal to Pittsburgh when he was playing on that team friendly one year deal.

[polamalubeast]

You're probably right, but he seemed loyal to Pittsburgh when he was playing on that team friendly one year deal.

I agree and I am sure he still love Pittsburgh but at some point,a player like to be in a good situation to product...The current situation of the steelers offense is maybe the worst in the NFL right now

[T&B fan]

all of the talk about WRs means nothing if you only going to make 5 yard or less passes .

[86WARD]

I don't think JuJu will want to be back unless the steelers have some major change and obvious improvement in our offense

Why would he want to come back? There’s nothing in Pittsburgh that’s positive and there’s not an offense where he can grow. I’d actually be disappointed for him if he did come back. Things would have to change majorly first.

[pczach]

Why would he want to come back? There’s nothing in Pittsburgh that’s positive and there’s not an offense where he can grow. I’d actually be disappointed for him if he did come back. Things would have to change majorly first.


Exactly. They run a shitty offense. They would want to put him in the slot again. He wouldn't produce again because he's in the slot in a shitty offense. They then blame him for lack of production again, and use that as leverage to pay him next to nothing.

Stay with Mahomes and Andy Reid's offense JuJu.

He must feel like he escaped a Canadian prison! :bounce:

[Born2Steel]

I agree and I am sure he still love Pittsburgh but at some point,a player like to be in a good situation to product...The current situation of the steelers offense is maybe the worst in the NFL right now

Correct. If JuJu came back just because he loves the town and the fans, he's done. The only way to advance in his career is to play in a 'real' offense. That's not what we have currently.

[Mojouw]

I’ll go on record now that one of their two second round picks is a wideout.

[Dwinsgames]

I agree and I am sure he still love Pittsburgh but at some point,a player like to be in a good situation to product...The current situation of the steelers offense is maybe the worst in the NFL right now

statistically speaking there is no "maybe's" about it ... they are dead ass last in most catagories

[polamalubeast]

Why would he want to come back? There’s nothing in Pittsburgh that’s positive and there’s not an offense where he can grow. I’d actually be disappointed for him if he did come back. Things would have to change majorly first.

It was my point too!

[86WARD]

It was my point too!

Maybe if the OC changed and the WR coach…

[polamalubeast]

Maybe if the OC changed and the WR coach…

I think the entire offensive staff need to be changed...And I am not sold on Pickett even if this is very hard to judge him right now since he is such in a bad situation

[86WARD]

I think the entire offensive staff need to be changed...And I am not sold on Pickett even if this is very hard to judge him right now since he is such in a bad situation

Yeah. If they are in the Top-3, I draft a QB and trade Pickett to someone like the Vikings for a second round pick and move on.

[Dwinsgames]

I’ll go on record now that one of their two second round picks is a wideout.


hard to argue the 2nd and 3rd round seems to be the normal target range for this team and WR's

George Pickens
Chase Claypool
Diontae Johnson
James Washington
JuJu Smith-Schuster
Sammie Coates
Markus Wheaton
Emmanuel Sanders
Mike Wallace
Willie Reid
Antwaan Randle El

so round 2-3 would be a good guess

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

The trade doesn't make sense unless the Steelers address the OL or DL with the pick. Steelers have taken a WR or TE in the 2nd in 5 of the last 6 drafts.

This doesn't help Pickett this year and probably won't next year either. It seems like Tomlin has paid absolutely no attention to bringing along a rookie QB. None of the parts of a team that help a rookie QB are in place: top OL, top running game, top defense, reliable receivers.

This is why rookie QBs fail so hard on bad teams.

[Born2Steel]

I wonder if the Bears would take their 2nd round pick back in trade for Kyler Gordon.

[DuckHodges]

Well the rebuild is official, though I don’t blame them, not much optimism after a 2-6 start

[Rotorhead]

I hope Claypool turns his career around in Chicago and plays up to his potential.

[polamalubeast]

Very likely he will be limited today, because it's his first week with a new team but it will be very interesting what Claypool will does today and the rest of the season with the Bears

[86WARD]

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[Shoes]

That is a win for the Steelers future. I like it! Nothing is happening this year anyway and I doubt the year after.

[86WARD]

They potentially gave up a better pick and a second pick to accept the Bears second round pick. Bears may be a much better team than the Packers…

[Born2Steel]

They potentially gave up a better pick and a second pick to accept the Bears second round pick. Bears may be a much better team than the Packers…


The Bears are not a “much better team than the Packers”.

I don’t get a lot about the whole thing. The Packers are willing to give up 2 picks in the same draft for Claypool, but traded away Adams?
The Bears trade away 2 of their top defensive players for picks, then trade the best of those picks for Claypool?
Why did the Steelers choose the Bears trade over the Packers?

The only part of this I do get is the Steelers got a high 2nd round pick for a WR they weren’t planning to keep past his rookie deal.

[polamalubeast]

They potentially gave up a better pick and a second pick to accept the Bears second round pick. Bears may be a much better team than the Packers…

At worst it will be around the same....This is a good gamble....

[86WARD]

The Bears are not a “much better team than the Packers”.

I don’t get a lot about the whole thing. The Packers are willing to give up 2 picks in the same draft for Claypool, but traded away Adams?
The Bears trade away 2 of their top defensive players for picks, then trade the best of those picks for Claypool?
Why did the Steelers choose the Bears trade over the Packers?

The only part of this I do get is the Steelers got a high 2nd round pick for a WR they weren’t planning to keep past his rookie deal.

Have you watched both teams play? Bears might be much better…lol.

[Mojouw]

The Bears are not a “much better team than the Packers”.

I don’t get a lot about the whole thing. The Packers are willing to give up 2 picks in the same draft for Claypool, but traded away Adams?
The Bears trade away 2 of their top defensive players for picks, then trade the best of those picks for Claypool?
Why did the Steelers choose the Bears trade over the Packers?

The only part of this I do get is the Steelers got a high 2nd round pick for a WR they weren’t planning to keep past his rookie deal.

The Packers wildly underestimated the ability of Rodgers to be a petulant man-baby and the approach of father time. Rodgers just does whatever he wants on the field and if it doesn't work he pouts and blames coaches, receivers, and whatever else he comes up with. Meanwhile, he's getting tackle eligible passes picked by random DL. Rodgers through a combination of simply "not giving a shit", refusing to adapt any of his ways, and a bit of age related decline, looks washed up.

In a desperate attempt to save their season, the Packers panicked and tried to go get Claypool. The Packers decision to trade Adams was a "correct" one in a vacuum. He wanted far too much money. He actually didn't want to be in GB. And their scheme shouldn't need a totally dominant WR to work. It does, however, require buy-in from the QB. Which they totally do not have right now. Claypool would have been their attempt to get Rodgers to re-engage.

The Bears are finally trying to build around their young QB. Shed defensive assets that were not going to be on the team past this season. Then converted them into offensive assets to grow with their QB. Now, I think Claypool was not that asset...but the plan makes sense. After drafting Fields and totally ignoring things like OL, WR, and a functional offensive plan....the Bears are trying to backfill those items as quickly as they can. Leads to less than ideal choices.

For the trade, same reason Miami chose to deal MF to Pittsburgh. The Steelers brain trust figures that Chicago will finish with the worse record. And as 86Ward pointed out, that may not be the case! Packers look to be in free-fall.

[tube517]

1589309270377758720 Whoops :chuckle:

[86WARD]

1589309270377758720 Whoops :chuckle:

Thought maybe we shipped them DJ but then saw Claypool’s patented contested jump and it was definitely Claypool…

[Born2Steel]

The Packers wildly underestimated the ability of Rodgers to be a petulant man-baby and the approach of father time. Rodgers just does whatever he wants on the field and if it doesn't work he pouts and blames coaches, receivers, and whatever else he comes up with. Meanwhile, he's getting tackle eligible passes picked by random DL. Rodgers through a combination of simply "not giving a shit", refusing to adapt any of his ways, and a bit of age related decline, looks washed up.

In a desperate attempt to save their season, the Packers panicked and tried to go get Claypool. The Packers decision to trade Adams was a "correct" one in a vacuum. He wanted far too much money. He actually didn't want to be in GB. And their scheme shouldn't need a totally dominant WR to work. It does, however, require buy-in from the QB. Which they totally do not have right now. Claypool would have been their attempt to get Rodgers to re-engage.

The Bears are finally trying to build around their young QB. Shed defensive assets that were not going to be on the team past this season. Then converted them into offensive assets to grow with their QB. Now, I think Claypool was not that asset...but the plan makes sense. After drafting Fields and totally ignoring things like OL, WR, and a functional offensive plan....the Bears are trying to backfill those items as quickly as they can. Leads to less than ideal choices.

For the trade, same reason Miami chose to deal MF to Pittsburgh. The Steelers brain trust figures that Chicago will finish with the worse record. And as 86Ward pointed out, that may not be the case! Packers look to be in free-fall.


I just think the Bears and Packers will finish with about the same record. If I had to pick one to win head to head, I’ll take the Packers. They are having a bad season, sure. But this is who the Bears are and have been.

I think there was a return the Steelers wanted for Claypool and the Packers refused. So they made the trade with the Bears instead. I really do think it was as simple as that.

[stillers4me]

No. The Packers offered a 2nd round pick as well but the Bears 2nd round pick is likely to be higher. As simple as that.

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[Born2Steel]

No. The Packers offered a 2nd round pick as well but the Bears 2nd round pick is likely to be higher. As simple as that.

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I thought the Packers were willing to give up 2 picks but the Steelers went with the bears single pick instead?

[86WARD]

No. The Packers offered a 2nd round pick as well but the Bears 2nd round pick is likely to be higher. As simple as that.

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Packers offered a second round pick and an additional pick.

[hawaiiansteeler]

No. The Packers offered a 2nd round pick as well but the Bears 2nd round pick is likely to be higher. As simple as that.


wrong, not as simple as that.

Packers also offered a late round pick...

[Mojouw]

FWIW, Many local Packers watchers feel this was leaked after the fact to mollify Rogers. The pursuit of Claypool and Waller is suspected to be halfhearted at best.

No idea if it’s true.

[86WARD]

FWIW, Many local Packers watchers feel this was leaked after the fact to mollify Rogers. The pursuit of Claypool and Waller is suspected to be halfhearted at best.

No idea if it’s true.

Wouldn’t be surprised…

[polamalubeast]

Funny that the packers are always close to make a trade but never make this trade!

[86WARD]

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[Mojouw]

Shmaybe?

Chiefs are top 5 YPA and top 3 in pass yards. Also #1 in plays of 20+

The rest...yes.

But the Chiefs did it "right". They traded their focal point WR and then had a specific and multi-pronged approach to replacing that player. Steady proven vet FAs? Check. Expanded roles for existing players? Check. Exciting rookie prospects acquired? Check.

That way if one of those doesn't work out (MVS, Moore, Hardman) you have other paths to success.

There are other factors in all those trades....but yeah....having good players is important.

[polamalubeast]

You can not blame the packers for Adams too since Adams wanted to be gone and play with Carr...The packers had offer a similar contract to Adams that the raiders

[tube517]

Undefeated since the Claypool trade! [emoji1787]

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[polamalubeast]

The second round draft pick of the bears will be high...The lions just beat the bears in Chicago....

[86WARD]

The second round draft pick of the bears will be high...The lions just beat the bears in Chicago....

Bears are one of those crazy unpredictable teams. Let’s hope they stay this way!!

[Shoes]

Looking good!

https://steelersdepot.com/2022/11/the-chase-claypool-trade-keeps-looking-better-for-pittsburgh/ (https://steelersdepot.com/2022/11/the-chase-claypool-trade-keeps-looking-better-for-pittsburgh/)

[pczach]

Looking good!

https://steelersdepot.com/2022/11/the-chase-claypool-trade-keeps-looking-better-for-pittsburgh/ (https://steelersdepot.com/2022/11/the-chase-claypool-trade-keeps-looking-better-for-pittsburgh/)



I want Claypool to do well and I really like Justin Fields....but I hope they lose every remaining game!

[86WARD]

Looking good!

https://steelersdepot.com/2022/11/the-chase-claypool-trade-keeps-looking-better-for-pittsburgh/ (https://steelersdepot.com/2022/11/the-chase-claypool-trade-keeps-looking-better-for-pittsburgh/)

That’s one of the dumber articles that Steelers Depot has written and what’s more surprising is that Alex wrote it of all people. You’d expect that kind of spin from that Matthew guy but Alex knows what goes into a trade when it’s made and what a new player on a new team goes through to get acclimated. He mentions no where in the article that when Claypool is on the field, Darnell Mooney’s TD production has increased (which it has). This is just a dumb attempt at making Claypool look bad. Shitty writing at best.

So to summarize his article - the Steelers receiving room looks worse, is performing worse but some of the Bears receivers, who have been with the team all season through training camp are playing more than the guy who just got there and because they traded for Claypool, a squandering franchise, lost three games in a row…because of that trade. Steelers Depot is one of the bigger jokes out there…

Here’s to hoping the Bears lose every game!! Good job Chase!!

[teegre]

Looking good!

https://steelersdepot.com/2022/11/the-chase-claypool-trade-keeps-looking-better-for-pittsburgh/ (https://steelersdepot.com/2022/11/the-chase-claypool-trade-keeps-looking-better-for-pittsburgh/)

I am thankful that Shoes is here. :nod:

[Shoes]

That’s one of the dumber articles that Steelers Depot has written and what’s more surprising is that Alex wrote it of all people. You’d expect that kind of spin from that Matthew guy but Alex knows what goes into a trade when it’s made and what a new player on a new team goes through to get acclimated. He mentions no where in the article that when Claypool is on the field, Darnell Mooney’s TD production has increased (which it has). This is just a dumb attempt at making Claypool look bad. Shitty writing at best.

So to summarize his article - the Steelers receiving room looks worse, is performing worse but some of the Bears receivers, who have been with the team all season through training camp are playing more than the guy who just got there and because they traded for Claypool, a squandering franchise, lost three games in a row…because of that trade. Steelers Depot is one of the bigger jokes out there…

Here’s to hoping the Bears lose every game!! Good job Chase!!

I beg to differ, the "The Game Day Thread" has secured that title hands down. :chuckle:

[86WARD]

I beg to differ, the "The Game Day Thread" has secured that title hands down. :chuckle:

Nah…the game day thread is just a bunch of hack fans. Steelers Depot is trying to be legit.

[Orion]

well it looks like in 3 games for da bears, claypool has caught 5 passes or like 31 yards.

[Dwinsgames]

well it looks like in 3 games for da bears, claypool has caught 5 passes or like 31 yards.

32 yards but still lol

11 targets 5 catches 32 yards .... at this point sure doesnt seem like they got a good deal ,,, no give backs !!!

[DuckHodges]

looks like he's still doing the same thing where he falls backwards while attempting catches and failing while at it

[Orion]

man can you imagine if hines ward had claypools body ? defenses would have been terrified.

[polamalubeast]

Claypool hasn't had a training camp with the bears and he's with a first run QB, so yes I like the trade for the steelers but I'll wait until at least next year before making a final judgment at Claypool

[vasteeler]

Claypool hasn't had a training camp with the bears and he's with a first run QB, so yes I like the trade for the steelers but I'll wait until at least next year before making a final judgment at Claypool

Wait to make a final judgement?!
That's not how things work around here:rulez:

[Mojouw]

I honestly though he’d have an immediate impact. I’ve not been able too see many snaps, but what I have seen makes no sense. Bears are using Claypool short like Steelers did. With Fields arm, Claypool and whatever his name is should just be running go routes and posts all day.

[polamalubeast]

2 rec for 51 yards for Claypool in the first quarter right now.....

[DesertSteel]

2 rec for 51 yards for Claypool in the first quarter right now.....
And that’s where it ended

[teegre]

Some are saying it’s pick 33.
Others say, pick 34.

Either way… :willy:

[polamalubeast]

And that’s where it ended

true

[teegre]

btw: on his long reception… he fell down​. :lol:

[86WARD]

btw: on his long reception… he fell down​. :lol:

That’s what drove me the most crazy about him. Every catch he would jump to catch in the gut and then fall down.

[86WARD]

Speaking of Exes…James Conner looked really good yesterday…

[Mojouw]

btw: on his long reception… he fell down​. :lol:

Where he jumped to high point the ball with his waist over a CB he already had a half a foot on? That seemed familiar!

[Mojouw]

So the best part of Claypool trade is that Pickens gets more work. Also... I didn't look up the draft slots...but Pittman was/is what Claypool was intended to be.

[teegre]

Where he jumped to high point the ball with his waist over a CB he already had a half a foot on? That seemed familiar!

DING-DING-DING!!!

[HollywoodSteel]

Speaking of Exes…James Conner looked really good yesterday…

He usually looks good when he’s healthy. I understand why we didn’t keep him but he’s kind of hard not to root for. I just wish he landed on a better team.

[HollywoodSteel]

So the best part of Claypool trade is that Pickens gets more work. Also... I didn't look up the draft slots...but Pittman was/is what Claypool was intended to be.

I‘m not 100% sure on this because I didn’t bother to double check, but weren’t Claypool and Pickens both the 11th WR picked in their drafts? Or something like that? At the time I thought Claypool was a steal and might have become the best receiver from that draft (I was obviously wrong about that. It’s probably Jefferson). But now I’m pretty sure that Pickens was a much bigger steal and does have a good chance of ultimately becoming the best WR from his draft.

Unlike Claypool, Pickens knows how to get the most out of his body to play that position. He’s the physical receiver we’ve really wanted, and I love that he’s a willing blocker. I think he likes violent contact. Last time we had a receiver with that kind of mentality it worked out well.

[fansince'76]

In the 5 games since he was traded, he has 12 receptions (on 22 targets) for 111 yards and 0 TDs.

The second round pick the Steelers got for him is looking better and better.

[polamalubeast]

In the 5 games since he was traded, he has 12 receptions (on 22 targets) for 111 yards and 0 TDs.

The second round pick the Steelers got for him is looking better and better.

Likely a top 35 pick....

[tube517]

Where he jumped to high point the ball with his waist over a CB he already had a half a foot on? That seemed familiar!

Pfffft. He is not paid to jump.

[Rotorhead]

So the best part of Claypool trade is that Pickens gets more work. Also... I didn't look up the draft slots...but Pittman was/is what Claypool was intended to be.

One would think so, but we have a guy named Canada that thinks differently.

[polamalubeast]

Canada can't involve our best players at the same time

[86WARD]

So the best part of Claypool trade is that Pickens gets more work. Also... I didn't look up the draft slots...but Pittman was/is what Claypool was intended to be.

I’m not sure that’s accurate. Pittman isn’t that impressive (average with a couple good games) and may look better on paper because he’s not stuck in inept/terrible offenses. I’m not sure Pittman is what we thought Claypool would be…progressing better? Yes.

[polamalubeast]

This draft pick will very likely be in the top 35 at worst!

[pczach]

This draft pick will very likely be in the top 35 at worst!



It is certainly looking good. All of the Bears' WR's are out with injuries. Fields is basically playing offense by himself.

It's hard to imagine them winning many more games. Multiple picks high in the draft really gives the team a lot of options. They can stand pat, or they can choose to trade down and acquire more draft picks. Draft day will be very exciting.

[DuckHodges]

This draft pick will very likely be in the top 35 at worst!

Awesome, it's like having another late first rounder haha

[teegre]

Currently picking 33rd… possibly 32nd… worst, worst, worst case would be 39th.

[Born2Steel]

Currently picking 33rd… possibly 32nd… worst, worst, worst case would be 39th.

If this keeps up the 'Bears' 2nd round pick could end up higher than the Steelers 1st round pick. :smoker:

[polamalubeast]

‘I Know It Was A Great Trade’: Chase Claypool Says Bears Will Be Happy With Big Investment In Him

https://steelersdepot.com/2022/12/i-know-it-was-a-great-trade-chase-claypool-says-bears-will-be-happy-with-big-investment-in-him/

[polamalubeast]

Bears WR Chase Claypool was hot as he went to the sideline after that third down play. Tossed his helmet to the ground. Voiced his frustration to WR coach Tyke Tolbert. Justin Fields came over and talked to him for a minute.

https://twitter.com/kfishbain/status/1609644598321717248

[BlackAndGold]

Hopefully this is just a tease of the great work Omar Khan will do as GM, just a masterclass of a trade. We'll have to wait for the draft to see Andy Weidl's impact(I feel pretty optimistic).

[teegre]

Next week…

If the Bears lose, it’s the 33rd pick (at worst).

Then, if the Texans win (which is a realistic possibility, since the Colts are reeling), it then becomes the 32nd pick.

[86WARD]

Next week…

If the Bears lose, it’s the 33rd pick (at worst).

Then, if the Texans win (which is a realistic possibility, since the Colts are reeling), it then becomes the 32nd pick.

https://media0.giphy.com/media/Am8CfY11N2jEwkODds/giphy.gif

[Dwinsgames]

not a bad haul for a guy averaging about 22 yards a game since being traded LOL

[teegre]

Next week…

If the Bears lose, it’s the 33rd pick (at worst).

Then, if the Texans win (which is a realistic possibility, since the Colts are reeling), it then becomes the 32nd pick.

Worst, worst, worst case scenario: 36th pick :nod:

[DuckHodges]

Worst, worst, worst case scenario: 36th pick :nod:

They gotta beat the Vikings. Highly unlikely lol.

[Orion]

if,,,Da Bears are smart they'll use their 1st on a new QB and cut their loses with fields. fields is just the newest of a long list of Ohio State QB bust. the curse lives on. stay away from Stroud.

[pczach]

if,,,Da Bears are smart they'll use their 1st on a new QB and cut their loses with fields. fields is just the newest of a long list of Ohio State QB bust. the curse lives on. stay away from Stroud.



Fields is almost literally doing it himself out there. They have no offensive line, and what few weapons he has are out injured. He has run for over 1100 yards and is still a very talented thrower with a great arm.

I believe he still has a chance to be great if the Bears don't destroy him first.

[polamalubeast]

Justin Fields is like Michael Vick when he was with the Falcons.Amazing runner but way below average passer right now.Lamar is a much better passer right now.For Fields,I hope it will change next year and this is true the bears gave him no favor too....

[Shoes]

Worst, worst, worst case scenario: 36th pick :nod:

This was a Steelers win the day they traded Claypool. Now if Khan could just do something with DJ.

[polamalubeast]

The steelers were also right to take the Bears offer instead of the Packers offer,despite their additionnel late draft pick in their offer!

[teegre]

This was a Steelers win the day they traded Claypool. Now if Khan could just do something with DJ.

Indeed… and that would be nice.

[86WARD]

First pick of the second round…that’s a good thing!

[polamalubeast]

First pick of the second round…that’s a good thing!

It will be very fun to have the debate between us between the day 1 and 2 since they will have the first pick in round 2!

[teegre]

It will be very fun to have the debate between us between the day 1 and 2 since they will have the first pick in round 2!

Right!!! That will be a fun evening/next morning!!!

[Edman]

Steelers get the top pick of the second round.

If it weren't for Seattle completely fleecing Denver, this would be the big robbery of 2022.

[BlackAndGold]

This pick is just as important as the first pick for this team.

[EzraTank]

I just read that the Dolphins got stripped of their first round pick this year for tampering charges back when Brady was a free agent to be. So essentially there will only be 31 picks in the first round and we will have 12 hours to draft a guy that would have been 1st a rounder.

Thanks Bears.

[polamalubeast]

Not all his fault but this year the teams of Claypool was 2-15 combined this year......

[pczach]

I just read that the Dolphins got stripped of their first round pick this year for tampering charges back when Brady was a free agent to be. So essentially there will only be 31 picks in the first round and we will have 12 hours to draft a guy that would have been 1st a rounder.

Thanks Bears.




You are correct sir. It couldn't have worked out any better.

Now if the team can turn those high draft picks into a few immediate impact players. The sky is the limit for this team going forward.

[polamalubeast]

The Steelers committed highway robbery when they sent wide receiver Chase Claypool to the Bears before the NFL trade deadline.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/01/10/steelers-get-32nd-overall-pick-from-bears-in-chase-claypool-trade/

[fansince'76]

Top-3 WR! :jerkit:

[86WARD]

Top-3 WR! :jerkit:

https://media4.giphy.com/media/3oEjHAUOqG3lSS0f1C/giphy.gif

[teegre]

Top-3 WR! :jerkit:

Well, the Bears did pay “top 3” compensation for him… :lol:

[Edman]

Top-3 WR! :jerkit:

Top 3 all time in fail celebrations and getting outmuscled by 5'8 corners.

[ALLD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcE_HwzWFVk

[DuckHodges]

Top 3 all time in fail celebrations and getting outmuscled by 5'8 corners.

He’s so good he tries to high point balls with his stomach because it’s just unfair to try and use his hands!

[pczach]

I think everyone is so excited about how high the Bear's draft pick has become that they are forgetting how great Claypool was his rookie season. I also think most don't understand how good Claypool was this year with Trubisky throwing him the ball.

When targeting Chase Claypool, Trubisky's numbers were: 16/24, 66.7% completion percentage, 161 yards, 1 TD, 99.5 rating. Claypool became his go to guy in crucial situations of the game. He also did that when the offense around him was a complete shitshow.

Not bad for a guy everyone is trashing in this thread in a shitty offense where he was playing in the slot most of the time. Even JuJu wasn't doing shit in the slot in Canada's offense.

I wouldn't write Claypool off just yet, and he did more here than most are giving him credit for. Don't get me wrong, the trade couldn't have worked out any better. I just know the WR corp was better when he was here.

[cubanstogie]

I think everyone is so excited about how high the Bear's draft pick has become that they are forgetting how great Claypool was his rookie season. I also think most don't understand how good Claypool was this year with Trubisky throwing him the ball.

When targeting Chase Claypool, Trubisky's numbers were: 16/24, 66.7% completion percentage, 161 yards, 1 TD, 99.5 rating. Claypool became his go to guy in crucial situations of the game. He also did that when the offense around him was a complete shitshow.

Not bad for a guy everyone is trashing in this thread in a shitty offense where he was playing in the slot most of the time. Even JuJu wasn't doing shit in the slot in Canada's offense.

I wouldn't write Claypool off just yet, and he did more here than most are giving him credit for. Don't get me wrong, the trade couldn't have worked out any better. I just know the WR corp was better when he was here.
Of course WR group better when he was here. It was an investment, I think most get that. One step back, now two forward. The frustration was you’d expect a big leap in production going into years 2 and 3 but didn’t happen. In fairness it’s not like any WR’s getting TD’s.

[86WARD]

I think everyone is so excited about how high the Bear's draft pick has become that they are forgetting how great Claypool was his rookie season. I also think most don't understand how good Claypool was this year with Trubisky throwing him the ball.

When targeting Chase Claypool, Trubisky's numbers were: 16/24, 66.7% completion percentage, 161 yards, 1 TD, 99.5 rating. Claypool became his go to guy in crucial situations of the game. He also did that when the offense around him was a complete shitshow.

Not bad for a guy everyone is trashing in this thread in a shitty offense where he was playing in the slot most of the time. Even JuJu wasn't doing shit in the slot in Canada's offense.

I wouldn't write Claypool off just yet, and he did more here than most are giving him credit for. Don't get me wrong, the trade couldn't have worked out any better. I just know the WR corp was better when he was here.

The WR Corp was much much better when Claypool was here and while it looks like the trade couldn’t have worked out any better, it’s not about how the trade “looks” it’s now about what they do with that pick. It’s the unknown right now. I’d still lean towards having Claypool, DJ, Pickens in a competent offense with Pickett, Harris and Freiermuth over what may or may not be. It all depends on what they do with that “#33” (32) pick…there’s mostly good that comes out of the second round but there’s some clankers in there as well somewhere in the 60/40 range…so there’s a good chance that they bust out on one of the second round picks…

[Dwinsgames]

The WR Corp was much much better when Claypool was here and while it looks like the trade couldn’t have worked out any better, it’s not about how the trade “looks” it’s now about what they do with that pick. It’s the unknown right now. I’d still lean towards having Claypool, DJ, Pickens in a competent offense with Pickett, Harris and Freiermuth over what may or may not be. It all depends on what they do with that “#33” (32) pick…there’s mostly good that comes out of the second round but there’s some clankers in there as well somewhere in the 60/40 range…so there’s a good chance that they bust out on one of the second round picks…


essentially a 1st round pick with a night to sleep on the board on who is left ... I am betting its closer to a homerun than a bust ...

[polamalubeast]

Problem,Claypool is just not a slot WR and in the Canada offense, he was wasted....I mean Canada is not able to involve Pat and Pickens at the same time

Also, Claypool will be without a contract after 2023 and he has regressed since his rookie season...I didn't think it was possible to have a second round draft pick for him before this trade for his reasons

[Mojouw]

I am starting to think the Claypool trade had more to do with attitude/goals then performance.

Claypool wants to be "the guy" and he thinks he can thrive in that role. The Steelers want Claypool to be a piece of the larger whole.
His contract is up after 2023. Very little chance he signs up to be third behind DJ and Pickens. So he's leaving for no compensation after the 2023 season.

Steelers trade him while they still have "leverage". What until this off-season or during the 2023 season and teams are going to low-ball their offers based on Claypool's pending FA status. And also the chance that more time causes more of the bloom to come of that rookie season rose.

Raw talent, it made the roster worse. But it was the best trade they were going to be able to make for a player who was giving every indication that he wanted out.

[DesertSteel]

We won't really know how great the trade was until the Steelers use the #32 pick and we compare Claypool's career with that player's.

[DuckHodges]

claypool is trash, he's what you call big for nothing. he's 6'3 but plays like he's 5'6

[86WARD]

essentially a 1st round pick with a night to sleep on the board on who is left ... I am betting its closer to a homerun than a bust ...

Doesn’t mean the second second round one won’t be a bust. Just going if their draft history. Both could be great, both could be busts…

[polamalubeast]

Doesn’t mean the second second round one won’t be a bust. Just going if their draft history. Both could be great, both could be busts…

at least,it give us a chance

[86WARD]

at least,it give us a chance

Gives a great chance.

[pczach]

claypool is trash, he's what you call big for nothing. he's 6'3 but plays like he's 5'6



Trash??

I guess you didn't watch the Steelers games earlier in the year when he was dragging multiple defenders for first downs and fighting for every yard.

5' 6" wide receivers don't do that.

If only #18 played with half that effort and toughness.

[DuckHodges]

Trash??

I guess you didn't watch the Steelers games earlier in the year when he was dragging multiple defenders for first downs and fighting for every yard.

5' 6" wide receivers don't do that.

If only #18 played with half that effort and toughness.

Yep he's trash. He lost a jump ball to a 5'9 corner. That's why he got traded. He made no difference in Chicago, probably even helped them get us the #1 pick in the 2nd round :chuckle:

[pczach]

Yep he's trash. He lost a jump ball to a 5'9 corner. That's why he got traded. He made no difference in Chicago, probably even helped them get us the #1 pick in the 2nd round :chuckle:




I didn't know you had that much inside information about the reason for the trade.

[RunNGun]

Imo, Claypool never developed his route running. He ran well after the catch, but you have to scheme him open and we all know how great Canada is at that.

Claypool went from being a solid deep threat and redzone option in his rookie season to not being able to create separation, win combat catches, or know when to adjust his route based on coverages.

In the right system I think he could be productive again, but this Matt Canada lead offense wasn't a fit, IMO.

[Dwinsgames]

this Matt Canada lead offense isn't a fit for anyone

fixed it for you

[Orion]

there is no doubt claypools stats were effected by qb play and an aweful OC. but neither of those impacted his dropped balls and failure to play like a 6-4 , 235 lb , 4.4 - 40 receiver they drafted. looks like tarzan plays like janes.
if the steelers dont hit a homerun with that pick they got, it still doesnt change the fact that was a trade only a fool would turn down. i'd still like to see em unload DJ with a similar trade. before anyone starts with the "best receiver, who else we got, blah , blah , blah....he aint worth the $20 million cap hit , and they were looking for a receiver when they found DJ, Pickens, etc, etc, etc. pickens needs to move into the #1 route option. he is everything everyone hoped claypool would be. mistake corrected.

[cubanstogie]

Steelers get the top pick of the second round.

If it weren't for Seattle completely fleecing Denver, this would be the big robbery of 2022.
Actually the biggest robbery of 2022 was Griner trade with Putin.

[polamalubeast]

Steelers legend Hines Ward blasted Chase Claypool for his immaturity during his time in Pittsburgh. “With Chase, it became more about Chase and less about the team,” Ward said in a recent interview with Steelers Talk by Chat Sports. “The team comes first before any individual accolade. There is a little more of maturity level, he needs to grow up a little bit.” Although he was critical of Claypool, Ward did wish him the best of luck and wanted to see him succeed in Chicago.

https://steelersnow.com/daily-links-george-pickens-breakout-ward-claypool/

[Mojouw]

https://steelersnow.com/daily-links-george-pickens-breakout-ward-claypool/

I am not saying that Ward is wrong. He may very well be right. But how would he know? He hasn't been on the staff since 2017. The WR and offensive coaching staff has turned over several times since Ward was last associated with the team, so he likely isn't chilling and talking shop with his old coaching buddies or whatever.

What does he know about Claypool besides what the rest of us know?

[fansince'76]

I am not saying that Ward is wrong. He may very well be right. But how would he know? He hasn't been on the staff since 2017. The WR and offensive coaching staff has turned over several times since Ward was last associated with the team, so he likely isn't chilling and talking shop with his old coaching buddies or whatever.

What does he know about Claypool besides what the rest of us know?

Ward has a history of talking out of turn.

On a side note, just imagine the beast Claypool would have been if he approached playing WR like Ward instead of being a marshmallow...

[polamalubeast]

I am not saying that Ward is wrong. He may very well be right. But how would he know? He hasn't been on the staff since 2017. The WR and offensive coaching staff has turned over several times since Ward was last associated with the team, so he likely isn't chilling and talking shop with his old coaching buddies or whatever.

What does he know about Claypool besides what the rest of us know?

I think he was talking when Claypool wanted music in practice and stuff like that...He was talking about it and other thing during the super bowl week,so this is the video of this interview (13 minutes long)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLaNrNAejPE

[polamalubeast]

It was at the 11th minutes of this video about Claypool....

[86WARD]

I am not saying that Ward is wrong. He may very well be right. But how would he know? He hasn't been on the staff since 2017. The WR and offensive coaching staff has turned over several times since Ward was last associated with the team, so he likely isn't chilling and talking shop with his old coaching buddies or whatever.

What does he know about Claypool besides what the rest of us know?

He said from outside looking in. He’s pretty much describing what we all (here) have said…

I don’t think he’s claiming to know from an insiders standpoint. Although, I’m sure he knows a little bit about what happens with the Steelers. It’s not like he has been exiled or anything like that. He might keep in touch with Ben or Tomlin…we don’t know…

[Mojouw]

Good replies all. But I think all these former players showing up on radio row at the SB or randomly on social media and weighing in like they know something when they only know what everyone else can see from the outside is a jerk move.

Claypool may be all the negative things we have ascribed to him and more. But none of us really knows anything and neither does Ward.

[86WARD]

Good replies all. But I think all these former players showing up on radio row at the SB or randomly on social media and weighing in like they know something when they only know what everyone else can see from the outside is a jerk move.

Claypool may be all the negative things we have ascribed to him and more. But none of us really knows anything and neither does Ward.

Most of those players showing up on Radio row are there to plug a business venture, charity or something personal. They aren’t there to shoot the shit about their former teams…that just comes up in the line of questioning. It’s not like that is their purpose for being there. I’ve listened to a lot of them over the years on the talk shows during media week and not that many are dudes saying they just want to stop by to shoot the shit…

[Mojouw]

Most of those players showing up on Radio row are there to plug a business venture, charity or something personal. They aren’t there to shoot the shit about their former teams…that just comes up in the line of questioning. It’s not like that is their purpose for being there. I’ve listened to a lot of them over the years on the talk shows during media week and not that many are dudes saying they just want to stop by to shoot the shit…

Sure. And a better response would’ve been “I don’t know”.

[86WARD]

Sure. And a better response would’ve been “I don’t know”.

I mean he’s only saying what is fans think anyway. Why would he say I don’t know if he has an opinion? It’s not like he’s got anything invested in Chase Claypool that he would need to be PC about it.

[Dwinsgames]

Good replies all. But I think all these former players showing up on radio row at the SB or randomly on social media and weighing in like they know something when they only know what everyone else can see from the outside is a jerk move.

Claypool may be all the negative things we have ascribed to him and more. But none of us really knows anything and neither does Ward.

not picking on you here several posts tho with that sentiment .... problem with that is anyone saying this is as guilty of it as they are proclaiming ward to be ....

now all that being said ........... the NFL is a very small fraternity noise makes it way around rather quickly and if you have ties to an organization I would imagine those murmurings probably make it around even quicker ...

do I know any of this with any amount of certainty , well no but it only stands to reason or at least in my mind it does.......

[Mojouw]

I just wish that the former players were better at playing the media game. They all agree to take interviews because they want to get their brand, charity, agenda, product, whatever some exposure. Then the place interviewing them has no interest in any of that. They just want something spicy to drive up views/clicks/whatever.

I wish that the athletes understood the game that was being played better and Ward should realize that all anyone is going to hear from this interview now is the hyperbolic headline that "Former Steelers Great Calls Other Steelers Chump Lazy!"

It is all kinda cheap, lazy, and stupid. Mostly on the part of the nonsense outlets that are so desperate for any controversy to keep their crappy content afloat but also on all these former athletes who just can't learn to say "No".

[86WARD]

I just wish that the former players were better at playing the media game. They all agree to take interviews because they want to get their brand, charity, agenda, product, whatever some exposure. Then the place interviewing them has no interest in any of that. They just want something spicy to drive up views/clicks/whatever.

I wish that the athletes understood the game that was being played better and Ward should realize that all anyone is going to hear from this interview now is the hyperbolic headline that "Former Steelers Great Calls Other Steelers Chump Lazy!"

It is all kinda cheap, lazy, and stupid. Mostly on the part of the nonsense outlets that are so desperate for any controversy to keep their crappy content afloat but also on all these former athletes who just can't learn to say "No".

Why do they need to “play the game” after they leave the NFL? In this case, Wars clearly says from the outside looking in. He answered a question he was asked honestly. There’s no game to be played there. He has no skin in the game day as Ryan Clark does. Clark is a media guy, he needs to be contrarian or whatever to get watchers, get clicks, whatever. But Ward and other players (Ben or whoever you want to pick) that aren’t in the media (maybe Ben is a bad example with his podcast) have nothing to win or lose by expressing what they see Chase Claypool doing. I would be annoyed had Ward come out and said how great Claypool was, how the Steelers shouldn’t have traded him, positive this and positive that. It’s all lies.

I don’t get the hang up for a player just telling it like he sees it…which is in correlation with how everyone here feels.

[Mojouw]

Why do they need to “play the game” after they leave the NFL? In this case, Wars clearly says from the outside looking in. He answered a question he was asked honestly. There’s no game to be played there. He has no skin in the game day as Ryan Clark does. Clark is a media guy, he needs to be contrarian or whatever to get watchers, get clicks, whatever. But Ward and other players (Ben or whoever you want to pick) that aren’t in the media (maybe Ben is a bad example with his podcast) have nothing to win or lose by expressing what they see Chase Claypool doing. I would be annoyed had Ward come out and said how great Claypool was, how the Steelers shouldn’t have traded him, positive this and positive that. It’s all lies.

I don’t get the hang up for a player just telling it like he sees it…which is in correlation with how everyone here feels.

It is a game because Ward likely went to do media to increase exposure for whatever spring football league he is coaching in currently. Whatever clickbait fly by night "content" creator he was doing media with had no interest in that. They wanted to make sure they could get a snarky comment out of a former player about current players. Why do you think all these former players are always splashed all over the interwebs talking about effort, heart, and maturity? It is a free way for sports sites with no actual thoughts or ideas to contribute to drive traffic to their content.

That is my point....realize you are being used.

This isn't really about what you or I think about Claypool. He may very well be immature and certainly seems to be producing far below his physical potential. But, we have no idea why. We think this or that...but how many times have we all been on here trashing this or that player and then find out later that they were totally not that?

It is one things for fans to trash a guy, another for former players and now football head-coaches. I can not think of a time that Tomlin has commented on a current NFL player like this...

[DuckHodges]

chase claypool, who peed in the pool as a kid, and still does

[86WARD]

It is a game because Ward likely went to do media to increase exposure for whatever spring football league he is coaching in currently. Whatever clickbait fly by night "content" creator he was doing media with had no interest in that. They wanted to make sure they could get a snarky comment out of a former player about current players. Why do you think all these former players are always splashed all over the interwebs talking about effort, heart, and maturity? It is a free way for sports sites with no actual thoughts or ideas to contribute to drive traffic to their content.

That is my point....realize you are being used.

This isn't really about what you or I think about Claypool. He may very well be immature and certainly seems to be producing far below his physical potential. But, we have no idea why. We think this or that...but how many times have we all been on here trashing this or that player and then find out later that they were totally not that?

It is one things for fans to trash a guy, another for former players and now football head-coaches. I can not think of a time that Tomlin has commented on a current NFL player like this...

You’re thinking way too much into this.

These athletes have been doing this shit for years. They come on, they get asked a couple snowball questions, they get asked a tough question or two, they promote their company, partnership, business, charity, whatever, they answer a couple more questions and then they are on their way down media row.

Of course these hosts want these ex-players on…this drives people to their shows. If they get a nice comment, great. What Ward said is so far from controversial it’s ridiculous and so far from premeditated.

I would suggest maybe listening to a few more of these media row interviews from Super Bowls…they are all pretty much the same interview format with a few ideas and words changed from player to player. Lol.

Totally different than Ryan Clark babbling on about something or David Carr spilling the beans about what the problem was between the Raiders and Derek Carr. Those have agendas.

[zulater]

Best trade ever!!!!:yay3:

[DesertSteel]

Best trade ever!!!!:yay3:
I’ll wait to see how the #32 career stacks up against Claypool’s.

[Orion]

I’ll wait to see how the #32 career stacks up against Claypool’s.
i dont see the connection between the 32nd picks success verse the value of the trade.would you not trade, say, alex highsmith for the #1 overall pick this year ? no risk no reward.

[ALLD]

Steelers have drafted a lot of talent @ WR over the last 15 seasons not to mention Swann & Stallworth, but you can never forget some of the huge busts like Limas Sweed.

[Born2Steel]

Steelers have drafted a lot of talent @ WR over the last 15 seasons not to mention Swann & Stallworth, but you can never forget some of the huge busts like Limas Sweed.

WR has always been a turbulent pick. Even some of the really good picks left scars. AB the most obvious example. There were hurt feelings all around over guys like Bryant, Plax, Holmes, yes Sweed, Fast Money and Easy Money, just to name a few. Claypool was brought in to replace Bryant. JuJu was going to be our next Ward. Too bad they can’t all be more like Larry Fitzgerald.

[DuckHodges]

Steelers have drafted a lot of talent @ WR over the last 15 seasons not to mention Swann & Stallworth, but you can never forget some of the huge busts like Limas Sweed.

i lost a game in madden once because limas sweed dropped a TD pass that would've won the game. and people say madden isn't realistic? :chuckle:

[El Kabong]

i lost a game in madden once because limas sweed dropped a TD pass that would've won the game. and people say madden isn't realistic? :chuckle:
I got to a point where I decided Sweed was dropping passes on purpose.

[polamalubeast]

Arrival of D.J. Moore could complicate Bears’ relationship with Chase Claypool

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/03/12/arrival-of-d-j-moore-could-complicate-bears-relationship-with-chase-claypool/

[Edman]

It's been a sharp drop for Claypool ever since he got out-jumped by that fire hydrant on the Jets.

[hawaiiansteeler]

damn, I was really hoping we would trade for Claypool to solve all of our WR problems -

Bills place Chase Claypool on IR with toe injury

ESPN
Aug 13, 2024

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/40845582/bills-place-chase-claypool-ir-toe-injury

[Hawkman]

damn, I was really hoping we would trade for Claypool to solve all of our WR problems -

Bills place Chase Claypool on IR with toe injury

ESPN
Aug 13, 2024

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/40845582/bills-place-chase-claypool-ir-toe-injury

:sarcasm2: