Too early to talk draft?

[RunNGun]

If we score a top 5 pick what is the number 1 priority?

I'm not completely sold on KP, but if the draft were tomorrow I'd try and build around him.

I'm not messing around with this one. I'm taking the best OL in the draft whether it's C,G, or T. I'd flirt with the idea of DL or CB, but if we're building around KP then it starts with his protection and run support.

I would also be open to the idea of trading to grab an extra early round pick or 2.

[steelreserve]

If we draft that high, we should look at DL or DB. You can get a real difference-maker there. OL would be a waste, there is a limit on how much difference even the best one can make.

I'm still holding out hope that if we dump the Canada offense, we might pick more like 10th-15th, in which case sure, why not, draft a fucking offensive lineman.

[Dwinsgames]

a top 5 pick you HAVE to take a difference maker , someone who creates splash plays regardless of which side of the ball it is ...

I personally would try and trade back and increase the amount of selections I can get in the top 60-75 area 4-5 guys in top 75 , 5-6 in top 100 and you have flipped a decent portion of your roster in short order ....

[teegre]

I’m still taking Jalen Carter.

http://www.steelersuniverse.com/forums/showthread.php/34000-The-5th-Overall-Selection

[polamalubeast]

I am against to take a o-line player if the steelers have a top 5-10 picks....It need to be a huge difference maker....Early second round,yes this is the time to take a o-lineman....

Or trade down if we can have one more first round pick for 2024 and other draft pick....

[RunNGun]

If we draft that high, we should look at DL or DB. You can get a real difference-maker there. OL would be a waste, there is a limit on how much difference even the best one can make.

I'm still holding out hope that if we dump the Canada offense, we might pick more like 10th-15th, in which case sure, why not, draft a fucking offensive lineman.

I get the want and need for DL and DB, but I don't think anyone can argue that the one glaring weakness on this team is the offense. I find it hard to believe that 100% of this mess is all on Canada. Imo, there's really a lack of talent upfront. Najee hasn't lived up to his draft status either, but I do believe the OL, as well as, Canada have a lot to do with that.

[teegre]

I get the want and need for DL and DB, but I don't think anyone can argue that the one glaring weakness on this team is the offense. I find it hard to believe that 100% of this mess is all on Canada. Imo, there's really a lack of talent upfront. Najee hasn't lived up to his draft status either, but I do believe the OL, as well as, Canada have a lot to do with that.

If there is a true #1 LT in a draft, it’s worth it. He can negate the TJ Watts of the world. That said, for the past few years, there’s been 4-5 “top tier” guys in each draft, but not a true #1. In turn, the difference between the first one drafted and the fifth one drafted is essentially just “preference”.

Same goes for CB: which one is the best is debatable.

Jalen Carter is the Aaron Donald of this draft. He is leaps and bounds better than any other DL in this draft. As I mentioned earlier, he was the BEST defender on that Geoergia team… which saw three DL drafted in R1 of last year’s draft.

SUMMATION:
Aside from Will Anderson (and the QBs), there isn’t going to be a more impactful player than Jalen Carter.

[Dwinsgames]

If there is a true #1 LT in a draft, it’s worth it. He can negate the TJ Watts of the world. That said, for the past few years, there’s been 4-5 “top tier” guys in each draft, but not a true #1. In turn, the difference between the first one drafted and the fifth one drafted is essentially just “preference”.

Same goes for CB: which one is the best is debatable.

Jalen Carter is the Aaron Donald of this draft. He is leaps and bounds better than any other DL in this draft. As I mentioned earlier, he was the BEST defender on that Geoergia team… which saw three DL drafted in R1 of last year’s draft.

SUMMATION:
Aside from Will Anderson (and the QBs), there isn’t going to be a more impactful player than Jalen Carter.


but is he worth the next best D-Lineman an O-Lineman and an ILB ?

because trading back from 5 to say 12-15 could net you a 1st 2nd and 3rd easily and solidify 3 spots and you would still have our own 2nd and 3rd to spend elsewhere ....

[RunNGun]

If there is a true #1 LT in a draft, it’s worth it. He can negate the TJ Watts of the world. That said, for the past few years, there’s been 4-5 “top tier” guys in each draft, but not a true #1. In turn, the difference between the first one drafted and the fifth one drafted is essentially just “preference”.

Same goes for CB: which one is the best is debatable.

Jalen Carter is the Aaron Donald of this draft. He is leaps and bounds better than any other DL in this draft. As I mentioned earlier, he was the BEST defender on that Geoergia team… which saw three DL drafted in R1 of last year’s draft.

SUMMATION:
Aside from Will Anderson (and the QBs), there isn’t going to be a more impactful player than Jalen Carter.

Agreed to an extent. I'm usually in favor of taking the BPA, but this offense has changed my mind. I'm not real familiar with the upcoming prospects at OL, but if there are no elite OTs then I agree with Dwins that we need to trade down. Then make sure we're getting the best OL prospect in this draft, whether that's at pick 1-5 or 10-20.

[polamalubeast]

but is he worth the next best D-Lineman an O-Lineman and an ILB ?

because trading back from 5 to say 12-15 could net you a 1st 2nd and 3rd easily and solidify 3 spots and you would still have our own 2nd and 3rd to spend elsewhere ....

If he is the next Aaron Donald,I stay put,I take him and run with it....Quality over quantity everytime

[DuckHodges]

Carter or Anderson

[teegre]

but is he worth the next best D-Lineman an O-Lineman and an ILB ?

because trading back from 5 to say 12-15 could net you a 1st 2nd and 3rd easily and solidify 3 spots and you would still have our own 2nd and 3rd to spend elsewhere ....

It boils down to:

Reggie White vs. (insert three names here)

[Born2Steel]

Top5? I feel like we have had this conversation. My vote is always best football player available. That could absolutely be another QB, OL, pretty much from any defensive position. No RBs, WRs, or TEs.

[teegre]

Agreed to an extent. I'm usually in favor of taking the BPA, but this offense has changed my mind. I'm not real familiar with the upcoming prospects at OL, but if there are no elite OTs then I agree with Dwins that we need to trade down. Then make sure we're getting the best OL prospect in this draft, whether that's at pick 1-5 or 10-20.

If you decide to trade down, then Yes take your O-lineman of choice. Because, there’s a group of five-to-seven who will go in the top twenty… and it is a dealer’s choice.

Conversely, there is indeed one clear-cut “BEST” D-lineman.

[Born2Steel]

There are currently 8 teams with a 2-5 or worse record. Considering the Steelers remaining schedule includes 6 of those teams, this could end up being an 8-10 win team. I honestly do not see a top5 pick coming. But....what if....right?

[teegre]

There are currently 8 teams with a 2-5 or worse record. Considering the Steelers remaining schedule includes 6 of those teams, this could end up being an 8-10 win team. I honestly do not see a top5 pick coming. But....what if....right?

We will win 10… and go on a playoff run.

But, it’s fun to speculate on top 5 picks (something we haven’t done in decades).

[DuckHodges]

There are currently 8 teams with a 2-5 or worse record. Considering the Steelers remaining schedule includes 6 of those teams, this could end up being an 8-10 win team. I honestly do not see a top5 pick coming. But....what if....right?

Idk, i was a little more optimistic after the TB win, but after seeing them get absolutely thrashed by Carolina, who may be the worst team in the league, I don't think that win means dick. We could still be in the running for a top 5 pick

[Born2Steel]

Idk, i was a little more optimistic after the TB win, but after seeing them get absolutely thrashed by Carolina, who may be the worst team in the league, I don't think that win means dick. We could still be in the running for a top 5 pick

Maybe. All I'm saying is the Steelers are sitting at 2-5 with probably another huge beatdown coming this week in Philly. BUT...consider 3pt loss to Pats(could have won), 5pts to the Browns(last TD was off the fumble), 4pts to the Jets(could have won), 6pts to the Dolphins(could have won). I understand could have won but didn't, so therefore we suck. But this team with 1or2 plays here or there 'could be' 5-2. 5-3 headed to the bye. There are plenty of reasons to not burn it down just yet.

[dislocatedday]

I think it is more likely the Steelers end up closer the 10th spot next year, but if they are in top 2 I think they can trade down and get some great extra picks as some teams will really have their eye on a QB. If the team is in the 3 to 5 spot then I would go with Will Anderson or Jalen Carter. I think the team really needs a young guy who can be a star/elite player on the Dline. Heyward can't go on forever, and I don't think the rest of the group is strong enough if Heyward was not there. If they are around the 10 spot I like Bryan Bresee for the Dline........but I am biased because he is a local kid to me.

[Mojouw]

Maybe. All I'm saying is the Steelers are sitting at 2-5 with probably another huge beatdown coming this week in Philly. BUT...consider 3pt loss to Pats(could have won), 5pts to the Browns(last TD was off the fumble), 4pts to the Jets(could have won), 6pts to the Dolphins(could have won). I understand could have won but didn't, so therefore we suck. But this team with 1or2 plays here or there 'could be' 5-2. 5-3 headed to the bye. There are plenty of reasons to not burn it down just yet.

Mike Tomlin, Is that you?

[Dwinsgames]

It boils down to:

Reggie White vs. (insert three names here)


Joe Greene , Jack Lambert ,Mel Blount ( 1st 2nd and 3rd rounders respectively ).....

ok that may not have been fair I used multiple years .... so how about this

Swann , Lambert , Stallworth our first three selections of the 1974 draft

while the Minister of defense may be slightly better than any of the above listed , he certainly didnt make more impact than the 3 of them combined ( they have 12 SB wins combined ) how many does Reggie have ?

[teegre]

Joe Greene , Jack Lambert ,Mel Blount ( 1st 2nd and 3rd rounders respectively ).....

ok that may not have been fair I used multiple years .... so how about this

Swann , Lambert , Stallworth our first three selections of the 1974 draft

while the Minister of defense may be slightly better than any of the above listed , he certainly didnt make more impact than the 3 of them combined ( they have 12 SB wins combined ) how many does Reggie have ?

Dan Marino has zero rings, as well. :wink02:

We cannot use the 1974 Draft as a template. It’s a once in a lifetime haul.

Question: What if you draft Cat Killer at 10, Senquez Golston in R2, and Bruce Davis in R3…

SUMMATION:
I disagree, but you make sense. Really. I wouldn’t be mad at trading down (as long as WE get to make the pucks), but I think Carter is a generational player.

[Dwinsgames]

Dan Marino has zero rings, as well. :wink02:

We cannot use the 1974 Draft as a template. It’s a once in a lifetime haul.

Question: What if you draft Cat Killer at 10, Senquez Golston in R2, and Bruce Davis in R3…

SUMMATION:
I disagree, but you make sense. Really. I wouldn’t be mad at trading down (as long as WE get to make the pucks), but I think Carter is a generational player.


many of those who witnessed it are dead so maybe we get to see two of them by the luxury of being young when the 1st one happened and old when the next one happens ?

summation ...

there is a chance albeit a slight one there is a chance

[teegre]

many of those who witnessed it are dead so maybe we get to see two of them by the luxury of being young when the 1st one happened and old when the next one happens ?

summation ...

there is a chance albeit a slight one there is a chance

Are you saying that I should push my dad down a flight of stairs?

If he knew we’d get the second-coming of Swann, Lambert, Stallworth, Webster, & Shell… he might just do it himself. :lol:

[steelreserve]

Question: What if you draft Cat Killer at 10, Senquez Golston in R2, and Bruce Davis in R3…

Sorry, I may be clueless here, but I just HAVE to know what this means.

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

Sorry, I may be clueless here, but I just HAVE to know what this means. Drafting another Bush at the 10 spot.

[86WARD]

When was the last time the Steelers traded down to accumulate picks?

[teegre]

Sorry, I may be clueless here, but I just HAVE to know what this means.

Back during COVID, Devin Bush locked himself in his house… and sort of had a mental breakdown. He thought about quitting football… and worse. Anyway, at one point he posted a video of a cat falling to its death. Hence my nickname for him.

[polamalubeast]

When was the last time the Steelers traded down to accumulate picks?

In the first round?....2001 I think

[Dwinsgames]

In the first round?....2001 I think

so there is a chance ...

and lets face it we have no idea what Kahn will be like his entire philosophy on such things may differ from Colberts

[EzraTank]

a top 5 pick you HAVE to take a difference maker , someone who creates splash plays regardless of which side of the ball it is ...

I personally would try and trade back and increase the amount of selections I can get in the top 60-75 area 4-5 guys in top 75 , 5-6 in top 100 and you have flipped a decent portion of your roster in short order ....

This. You take the best player at your draft position or trade down for more lower picks to fill your immediate needs (DL and OL).

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I’m still taking Jalen Carter.

http://www.steelersuniverse.com/forums/showthread.php/34000-The-5th-Overall-Selection

Why link this post. That guy is an idiot and I would never listen to anything he posts. :flap:

[polamalubeast]

so there is a chance ...

and lets face it we have no idea what Kahn will be like his entire philosophy on such things may differ from Colberts

true...But if you have the chance to take the next Aaron Donald,you run with it,no matter what!

[steelreserve]

Back during COVID, Devin Bush locked himself in his house… and sort of had a mental breakdown. He thought about quitting football… and worse. Anyway, at one point he posted a video of a cat falling to its death. Hence my nickname for him.

Oh, I never knew about that. I thought someone in this year's draft actually killed a cat. Which would be totally not cool, but I wouldn't want to mess with him.

[86WARD]

Currently in the 7th spot…

[teegre]

Why link this post. That guy is an idiot and I would never listen to anything he posts. :flap:

Indeed :nod: That guy never takes anything seriously…

[teegre]

I focused on Jalen Carter vs. Florida.

I wasn’t disappointed.

[Dwinsgames]

If he is the next Aaron Donald,I stay put,I take him and run with it....Quality over quantity everytime

debatable ...

reason being using the same draft that Aaron Donald came from ...

if I had the choice of picking Donald or getting Zack Martin and Stephon Tuitt with Morgan Moses as icing on the cake ( rounds 1,2,and 3 and that is what I would expect to trade out of the top 5 at minimum to move back to say the 11 or 12 spot ...I'm taking the trade back 10 times out of 10 and I loved Aaron Donald more than most coming out of pitt ... maybe thats just me but I see Book end tackles for the next decade and a D-Lineman that is close to being as Dominant but for a shorter time frame ....

[polamalubeast]

debatable ...

reason being using the same draft that Aaron Donald came from ...

if I had the choice of picking Donald or getting Zack Martin and Stephon Tuitt with Morgan Moses as icing on the cake ( rounds 1,2,and 3 and that is what I would expect to trade out of the top 5 at minimum to move back to say the 11 or 12 spot ...I'm taking the trade back 10 times out of 10 and I loved Aaron Donald more than most coming out of pitt ... maybe thats just me but I see Book end tackles for the next decade and a D-Lineman that is close to being as Dominant but for a shorter time frame ....

It's hard to hit an HR everytime in the 2nd round and even in the middle and end of the first round

[EzraTank]

At this point if we lose the next two games to fall to 2-7 I'm all for tanking for the best pick. I don't see this team winning more than 6 games unless TJ comes back and plays like a freak.

The nice thing is a great draft could put us right back at the top of our division because we have a lot of pieces in place already we just need a real OC and an OL.

The season doesn't end until January 9th, like baseball the season is just too darn long. They should go back to the 16 game schedule, but I know greed $$$ will never allow that

[Dwinsgames]

It's hard to hit an HR everytime in the 2nd round and even in the middle and end of the first round

well 11-12 spot is top 1/3 not middle end

[86WARD]

Saints winning will move Steelers up to 6. Lions winning too…not sure if that gets them above Detroit I’d Lions were to win. Carolina only down by a point…maybe up to 4 at the end of today?

[86WARD]

Carolina now winning 28-24…

Saints won. So at minimum, up to 6th pick.

[86WARD]

Steelers have the #2 pick at the moment based on win percentages.

They look like they will be at 5 after the Broncos win and the Saints win. They’ll jump the Seahawks and the Eagles. If Cleveland wins, they could jump one more spot by the end of the Week.

[Rotorhead]

After NO’s win, I am not sure we beat them after the bye.

[Mojouw]

After NO’s win, I am not sure we beat them after the bye.

Steelers aren't beating anyone. Maybe a NCAA team but not actual teams that play in the NFL.

[86WARD]

After NO’s win, I am not sure we beat them after the bye.

Was there ever a thought that they could?

[Rotorhead]

Was there ever a thought that they could?

Yeah, before this week NO had played about as well as we had, plus TJ will be back.

[teegre]

We got blown out by the Bills and the Eagles… who are likely the Super Bowl representatives from each conference. We were within one score of winning the other four losses. :noidea:

Buuut… back to the draft. Currently, give me:

3. Jalen Carter, DL, Georgia
34. Joey Porter, Jr., CB, Penn St.
66. Zion Nelson, OT, The U
Comp: Ricky Stromberg, C, Arkansas

[dislocatedday]

We got blown out by the Bills and the Eagles… who are likely the Super Bowl representatives from each conference. We were within one score of winning the other four losses. :noidea:

Buuut… back to the draft. Currently, give me:

3. Jalen Carter, DL, Georgia
34. Joey Porter, Jr., CB, Penn St.
66. Zion Nelson, OT, The U
Comp: Ricky Stromberg, C, Arkansas

I'd take that draft class in a heartbeat.

[Rotorhead]

Can we take:
1st - Best OL
2nd - Best OL left on the board
3rd - Best OL left on the board
Rest of picks - trade for an OC who is top 5

[teegre]

Can we take:
1st - Best OL

In the teens: YES

At #3: NO

[polamalubeast]

well 11-12 spot is top 1/3 not middle end

True but my point remains the game.This is very hard to hit in every pick that you would in return if you trade down especially if you had the chance to have a generational player

[Dwinsgames]

True but my point remains the game.This is very hard to hit in every pick that you would in return if you trade down especially if you had the chance to have a generational player

the counter to that is we see so many "can't miss prospects" MISS so its an assumption you are getting a generational talent , these selections below I am betting teams loved them at that point in the draft or they would have selected someone else
.... so giving me 3 picks in the top 75 for 1 (plus my own other selections giving me 5 in the top 75), I like my chances of striking gold multiple times


2018 alone per example ... 3 of the top 10 not worthy

Baker Mayfield
Sam Darnold
Josh Rosen


2017 - 5 of the top 9 picks not worthy

Trubisky
Fournette
Corey Davis
Mike Williams (good but top 7 good I don't think so )
John Ross

2016

Goff
Wentz
ELi Apple
Vernon Hargreaves

2015
Winston
Mariotta first 3 picks of the draft and they all suck
Dante Fowler (one of those can't miss generational talent kind of guys that stunk it up )
Kevin White
Vic Beasley
( and it gets worse from there making it even more clear the more selections you have the better your chances are at finding Gems)
example
Trae Waynes
Danny Shelton
DeVante Parker
Melvin Gordon
Kevin Johnson
Cameron Erving
Nelson Agholor
Cedric Ogbuehi
Shane Ray
Breshad Perriman
Phillip Dorsett
Stephone Anthony



the more darts you have to throw the better your chances are at hitting the bullseye

[polamalubeast]

the counter to that is we see so many "can't miss prospects" MISS .... so giving me 3 picks in the top 75 for 1 (plus my own other selections giving me 5 in the top 75), I like my chances of striking gold multiple times

The Browns often had this philosophy in the 2010s when they favored quantity over quality....I prefer quality over quantity and if the steelers are convinced that this player can be a game changer, you can't trade down for that!

Of course the evaluation must be good!

[Dwinsgames]

The Browns often had this philosophy in the 2010s when they favored quantity over quality....I prefer quality over quantity and if the steelers are convinced that this player can be a game changer, you can't trade down for that!

Of course the evaluation must be good!


there is no guarantee of getting quality thats the problem and why its a crap shoot .... Dante Fowler per example was supposed to be the next great defender the 2nd coming of Lawrence Taylor they said ... how did that turn out with selection number 3 ?? I am betting the Jags would gladly go back in a time machine and trade out of that number 3 spot for a number 10-12 pick along with that teams 2nd and third rounder instead of taking Fowler .... ( that is my point in a nutshell is cant miss prospects miss all the time )

[teegre]

On the flip side, if Mahomes is there… not only do you take him, you trade up.

[dislocatedday]

there is no guarantee of getting quality thats the problem and why its a crap shoot .... Dante Fowler per example was supposed to be the next great defender the 2nd coming of Lawrence Taylor they said ... how did that turn out with selection number 3 ?? I am betting the Jags would gladly go back in a time machine and trade out of that number 3 spot for a number 10-12 pick along with that teams 2nd and third rounder instead of taking Fowler .... ( that is my point in a nutshell is cant miss prospects miss all the time )

I agree with Dwins in that this might be a good year to trade back, if the Steelers are in the top 3, and acquire more draft picks throughout the upper rounds. A lot of "can't miss" prospects do miss, and other guys who are not labelled as stud prospects do turn out to be studs (see TJ Watt and Cameron Heyward as examples for the Steelers............in retrospect those guys would have been picked towards the top of the first round based on how their careers have turned out).

[Mojouw]

Who would you rather have, Troy Polamalu or 3 players? Ryan Shazier or 3 players? Ben R or 3 players?

If they end up in the top 3 -- get a guy that totally alters how teams play you and how you are able to play other teams. Especially because there are several reasons to believe that they won't be drafting there again for a decade or so.

Just as quantity can be quality...Quality is a quantity all its own.

Just gotta have faith that your scouting department can get it right.

[dislocatedday]

Just gotta have faith that your scouting department can get it right.

True....that is what it really comes down to no matter where our favorite team is picking. I guess if the team feel there is a "generational" type player they can get in the top 3 then we have to trust the team. The Steelers have overall had a really good track record with their first round picks, with just a few duds here and there.

[Born2Steel]

Consider that the 'blueprint' has been to build an OL from the inside out. Yet seems it's always OTs that get taken first in the draft and get the bigger contracts. An offense must first have an identity and a goal though for any OL selection to make sense. The OL is a 5-man unit. You can't always just throw the higher ranked/rated names in there and it works. The highest rated OL on most big boards as of Halloween 2022 is Northwestern's Pete Skoronski OT, and OSU's Paris Johnson OT. Do either come in and immediately make this OL viable?

[Dwinsgames]

I worry about "trusting our scouting department" at finding a "generational talent"

sure we have had some great picks in round 1 but also some meh selections ....

granted perhaps good players but not what you'd ( or at least I'd) expect from round 1 more like rd 2 kind of guys ... example

2021 -Najee doesn't look like a 1st rounder ( being outplayed by an UDFA ) don't make excuses just look at results

2020 no 1st round pick traded it to Miami for Minkah

2019 traded up and selected Bush not a top 10 player period

2018 Edmunds 2nd -3rd round quality

2017 TJ Watt - jackpot ....

2016 Artie Burns 5th round kinda guy

2015 Dupree second or third round quality

2014 Shazier ( bad luck on this one )

2013 Jarvis Jones round 5-6 results

2012 Decastro

2011 Heyward

2010 Pouncey

2009 Ziggy Hood solid round 4 kind of pick

2008 mendenhall can find this kind of RB in round 3-4 all the time



so 35% ish of worthy round 1 picks .... the others are round 2 or lessor quality IMO (some shouldnt have been selected until day 3)

[Mojouw]

True....that is what it really comes down to no matter where our favorite team is picking. I guess if the team feel there is a "generational" type player they can get in the top 3 then we have to trust the team. The Steelers have overall had a really good track record with their first round picks, with just a few duds here and there.

Assuming they end up with a high draft pick, i really don't think they can mess it up. They might not select my favorite guy, but the available options should ensure a good long term outcome.

If they stay put, there really isn't a position they have to "force". They can literally take the best player available and once you eliminate QB from the process, usually the first position player off the board is pretty darn good.

If they want to move down, that is fine as well. The roster could certainly use an infusion of young talent. I really don't have a problem with it. But I do think that you move down to get specific players not to avoid selecting a bust.

But...imagine this defense with the 2023 version of Sauce Gardner on it instead of Levi Wallace. Or a 2023 version of recently highly drafted OT stabilizing the line for the next decade. Or adding a Chase Young or Micah Parsons (whhoooooo-boy there is another one that MojoUW got wrong! I thought he was overdrafted by half!) caliber player to the defense.

All that being said...if you can slide from like 3 to 7 and still do that....sure....and if this QB class goes QB heavy...then they have a great chance to drop a few slots and do what DWins is advocating for.

It will be a fascinating off-season. If they finish as bad as I think they will, they are going to be in the news constantly because they will control the top of the draft. Every team that wants a QB will be talking to them.

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I worry about "trusting our scouting department" at finding a "generational talent"

sure we have had some great picks in round 1 but also some meh selections ....

granted perhaps good players but not what you'd ( or at least I'd) expect from round 1 more like rd 2 kind of guys ... example

2021 -Najee doesn't look like a 1st rounder ( being outplayed by an UDFA ) don't make excuses just look at results

2020 no 1st round pick traded it to Miami for Minkah

2019 traded up and selected Bush not a top 10 player period

2018 Edmunds 2nd -3rd round quality

2017 TJ Watt - jackpot ....

2016 Artie Burns 5th round kinda guy

2015 Dupree second or third round quality

2014 Shazier ( bad luck on this one )

2013 Jarvis Jones round 5-6 results

2012 Decastro

2011 Heyward

2010 Pouncey

2009 Ziggy Hood solid round 4 kind of pick

2008 mendenhall can find this kind of RB in round 3-4 all the time



so 35% ish of worthy round 1 picks .... the others are round 2 or lessor quality IMO (some shouldnt have been selected until day 3)

Not gonna argue facts. But...I think that the ones that really stunk are the ones where the FO "forced" a specific player because it fit a roster need. The 2023 Steelers will have so many needs, they can just take the best player available. When they do that....they are usually very successful.

It is a new GM in charge infused with some new perspectives. And it is possible there is a shift in philosophy, I hope, back to BPA since the Steelers are no longer trying to fill in around a franchise QB that eats up all the cap and make an annual SB run but to restock the cupboard.

[Born2Steel]

Assuming they end up with a high draft pick, i really don't think they can mess it up. They might not select my favorite guy, but the available options should ensure a good long term outcome.

If they stay put, there really isn't a position they have to "force". They can literally take the best player available and once you eliminate QB from the process, usually the first position player off the board is pretty darn good.

If they want to move down, that is fine as well. The roster could certainly use an infusion of young talent. I really don't have a problem with it. But I do think that you move down to get specific players not to avoid selecting a bust.

But...imagine this defense with the 2023 version of Sauce Gardner on it instead of Levi Wallace. Or a 2023 version of recently highly drafted OT stabilizing the line for the next decade. Or adding a Chase Young or Micah Parsons (whhoooooo-boy there is another one that MojoUW got wrong! I thought he was overdrafted by half!) caliber player to the defense.

All that being said...if you can slide from like 3 to 7 and still do that....sure....and if this QB class goes QB heavy...then they have a great chance to drop a few slots and do what DWins is advocating for.

It will be a fascinating off-season. If they finish as bad as I think they will, they are going to be in the news constantly because they will control the top of the draft. Every team that wants a QB will be talking to them.

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Not gonna argue facts. But...I think that the ones that really stunk are the ones where the FO "forced" a specific player because it fit a roster need. The 2023 Steelers will have so many needs, they can just take the best player available. When they do that....they are usually very successful.

It is a new GM in charge infused with some new perspectives. And it is possible there is a shift in philosophy, I hope, back to BPA since the Steelers are no longer trying to fill in around a franchise QB that eats up all the cap and make an annual SB run but to restock the cupboard.

I won't rule out selecting QB if the Steelers are picking top5 and one of the top 2 guys falls to us. I don't see it but won't rule it out.

This year's OL class seems to be very moderate. Personally, I want a true Center and RG. Last draft I really wanted Ed Ingram, who went to the Vikings and pushed Daniels to us in FA. So far this year's OG crush is Jarrett Patterson, ND. Although at only 6'4" and just under 300lbs, OT prospect Pete Skoronski may be a better IOL prospect for the Steelers.

What are your thoughts on UW's Center Joe Tippman?

[86WARD]

Steelers were in the market when the QB class wasn’t great. Now they are in the market for OL and the class isn’t great.

If they can’t trade down, they should take the best QB available.

[Mojouw]

I won't rule out selecting QB if the Steelers are picking top5 and one of the top 2 guys falls to us. I don't see it but won't rule it out.

This year's OL class seems to be very moderate. Personally, I want a true Center and RG. Last draft I really wanted Ed Ingram, who went to the Vikings and pushed Daniels to us in FA. So far this year's OG crush is Jarrett Patterson, ND.

What are your thoughts on UW's Center Joe Tippman?

Hard to say. The Badgers have just played awful. Part of it has been there inability to do their usual run behind the big dominant OL thing against any quality opponents. I mean it got the head coach fired. That being said -- holy cow is he a massive man-child. I think he's still too much of a project to take until a bit later in the draft. But if he can put together all aspects of his game...he could be a dominating interior presence. His athletic traits are seemingly off the charts for a dude his size. I am always in favor of grabbing as many "freaks" as you can and seeing what happens. Tippman is also likely getting better OL instruction now than many of the Steelers current lineman.

[teegre]

@Dwins

I see your point about hitting & missing on the Steelers R1 picks. That said, the Steelers were picking in the 20s for most of those (except for Bush :frusty:)… where a 40% hit rate is pretty standard. The last time that the Steelers drafted in the top 5… was… holy crap!!! I have no clue.

[Dwinsgames]

@Dwins

I see your point about hitting & missing on the Steelers R1 picks. That said, the Steelers were picking in the 20s for most of those (except for Bush :frusty:)… where a 40% hit rate is pretty standard. The last time that the Steelers drafted in the top 5… was… holy crap!!! I have no clue.

1989 they drafted 7th over all and took Tim Worley

1986 they drafted 9th and took John Rienstra

1971 they drafted 8th and took Frank Lewis

1970 1st over all Bradshaw

1969 4th over all Joe Greene

a whole host of top 5 picks prior and they pretty much all sucked or was sent packing

[polamalubeast]

1989 they drafted 7th over all and took Tim Worley

1986 they drafted 9th and took John Rienstra

1971 they drafted 8th and took Frank Lewis

1970 1st over all Bradshaw

1969 4th over all Joe Greene

a whole host of top 5 picks prior and they pretty much all sucked or was sent packing

Rod Woodson in 1987 was in the top 10 too

[Mojouw]

Being scared is not a good argument for not doing something.

[Rotorhead]

Well, we now have an at least top 10 1st rounder (probably top 5 at this point) and 2 high 2nd rounders. If we can hit on all 3 of them we could get an above average OL and a starting CB all wrapped up this off season. That would work wonders for next season as it would upgrade our 2 biggest issues (aside from Crapnada) for this team.

Edit: so we now don’t need the CB, so LB/DL in the second.

[86WARD]

If the season were to end right now, the Steelers are 4th.

Detroit, Houston, Carolina land in front of them in that order.

[SteelMember]

Texans are definitely round 1 QB

[86WARD]

All three of those teams should be QB…

[Bluecoat96]

Reading up a little on Andy Weidl's history is getting me excited for draft. Sounds like he values the big boys on both sides of the line. He stumped for Ngata in Baltimore and from the sounds of it in Philly, he's done pretty well on both OL and DL as of late.

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[polamalubeast]

Reading up a little on Andy Weidl's history is getting me excited for draft. Sounds like he values the big boys on both sides of the line. He stumped for Ngata in Baltimore and from the sounds of it in Philly, he's done pretty well on both OL and DL as of late.

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And what I like about eagles is that they are able to admit their mistake or to know when it's time for a change....I hope that will be the case in Pittsburgh under him too but I have my doubts since I don't believe he has the power for that

[teegre]

We got blown out by the Bills and the Eagles… who are likely the Super Bowl representatives from each conference. We were within one score of winning the other four losses. :noidea:

Buuut… back to the draft. Currently, give me:

3. Jalen Carter, DL, Georgia
34. Joey Porter, Jr., CB, Penn St.
66. Zion Nelson, OT, The U
Comp: Ricky Stromberg, C, Arkansas

With an early R2 pick (from the Claypool trade), why not add a LG:

Andrew Vorhees, USC

I know his brother (Jason) is a killer... :wink02:

[Orion]

i dont know how you could pass up a lineman with a name like Skoronski.

[Mojouw]

Moved to the proper thread.

[Dwinsgames]

i dont know how you could pass up a lineman with a name like Skoronski.


hell of a good player

[Born2Steel]

Skoronski may be this year’s Quinten Nelson. Being 6’4” and around 295lbs probably/maybe moves him inside for the NFL. If the Steelers take him in the 1st then maybe another WR and a top Center in the 2nd. Now Pickett has inside protection and good weapons.

On the other side of the ball, DL and CB are looking a bit top heavy currently.

[RunNGun]

Sign Orlando Brown. Draft Jordan Addison?

If KP is our passer, we would then have a protect the passer in Brown, and we already have the rush the passer. (Parcells)

Get KP another weapon on offense in Addison, who he has great chemistry with, and draft interior OL in the 2nd.

Wishful thinking I know.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Updating the Steelers 2023 NFL Draft picks after the trade deadline

Taking a look at the Steelers’ 2023 draft picks, by round, after their recent trades.

By Jeff.Hartman@BnGBlitz Nov 2, 2022

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2022/11/2/23435263/updating-the-steelers-2023-nfl-draft-picks-after-the-trade-deadline-chase-claypool-william-jackson

[teegre]

Sign Orlando Brown.

YES!!! :willy: I have been saying that for a year. We have the cap space to sign a franchise LT. Why not!?!

[RunNGun]

YES!!! :willy: I have been saying that for a year. We have the cap space to sign a franchise LT. Why not!?!

Smart man. They should throw him whatever he wants in $. I think that would get us back on the fast track to being a competitive football team. Idk much about the upcoming WRs, but Addison impressed me a lot last year. I could easily see WR being our first pick if they went out and got Brown.

[Mojouw]

I haven't watched Brown's play in some time. But, you all might want to slow your role on "franchise LT" status.

"But in the Chiefs’ defense, Brown Jr. was solid, but not spectacular. Per PFF, Brown Jr. tied for the league lead in allowed quarterback hits (12), he allowed the 14th-most sacks (4), allowed the seventh-most overall pressures (36), and finished 11th with an overall pass blocking efficiency mark of 97.2 among left tackles with at least 853 pass blocking snaps. He also tied for the ninth-most penalties committed (5)." -- https://atozsports.com/kansas-city/chiefs-why-shouldnt-cave-in-to-orlando-brown-jr/

I think he is far better than Moore Jr. but I do not know if I would throw top of the market $$$ at him to be my LT for the next 10 years. Especially when, for the first time in a really long time, the Steelers look to be in position to snag one of the top draft eligible LTs.

[Steeler-in-west]

Definitely looks like the Steelers success rate on drafting in the first round started trending downhill after 2014. The one anomaly being TJ in 17. For instance, we missed out on Lamar Jackson in 2018, instead taking Edmunds - that could've kept us relevant now (sure Ben wouldn't have liked the pick but it would've been a savvy and prudent move by Colbert and Rooney).

all in on the Orlando Brown type signing - We still need a replacement for AV and the Big Ragu it seems (Cole looks serviceable to this point)

[Mojouw]

I suspect their draft "hit" rate is going to go up for a few years. Most of the "bad" picks over say the last decade or restricting it to the last 5 years...have been a playoff caliber team attempting to take the "guy that gets us over the hump" with their first round pick, rather than the best overall player. It is a pretty common thing on contending teams.

Now that they finally seem to realize they are reloading/rebuilding, it should be pretty straightforward to just pick BPA and rebuild the roster.

[Rotorhead]

Definitely looks like the Steelers success rate on drafting in the first round started trending downhill after 2014. The one anomaly being TJ in 17. For instance, we missed out on Lamar Jackson in 2018, instead taking Edmunds - that could've kept us relevant now (sure Ben wouldn't have liked the pick but it would've been a savvy and prudent move by Colbert and Rooney).

all in on the Orlando Brown type signing - We still need a replacement for AV and the Big Ragu it seems (Cole looks serviceable to this point)

I would take Edmunds over Lamar all day, all Lamar can do is run, he isn’t accurate and it shows every season.

[Orion]

I would take Edmunds over Lamar all day, all Lamar can do is run, he isn’t accurate and it shows every season.

:sofunny: i absolutely LOVE you commitment to hating on Lamar. :drink:

[Rotorhead]

:sofunny: i absolutely LOVE you commitment to hating on Lamar. :drink:

Is it not true? I have him on my fantasy team, and the first few games this season it looked like he maybe turned that around, but the last few games he has not been the guy honestly.

[hawaiiansteeler]

Is it not true? I have him on my fantasy team, and the first few games this season it looked like he maybe turned that around, but the last few games he has not been the guy honestly.

losing his #1 WR Rashod Bateman hasn't helped him.

[Rotorhead]

losing his #1 WR Rashod Bateman hasn't helped him.

His top target is Andrews

[86WARD]

His top target is Andrews

Duvernay has been no slouch either..

[86WARD]

After Sunday, Steelers still sit with the 4-Pick…

[Rotorhead]

So, we have to pass the Lions, Raiders and Texans for that #1 pick . . . Looking at their schedules I think Houston will be getting that top pick, I don’t think they win another game this season. Raiders can win against the Colts and we have to play them, so that head to head probably determines who has the better pick there. The Lions could win 2-3 more games. So, we will end up with the #2 pick lol.

Sucks looking at the schedule to se how many more we are going to lose for draft positioning instead of how many more we are going to win for playoff seeding . . .

[polamalubeast]

I think the colts will be at least in the top 3 for their next draft...I don't think they will win a game with Jeff Saturday....

[Born2Steel]

I think we see 4-5 more wins. Where does 6-7 wins put the Steelers in the draft order? About 10 or just outside the top10?

[polamalubeast]

I think we see 4-5 more wins. Where does 6-7 wins put the Steelers in the draft order? About 10 or just outside the top10?

If we look at last year,team with a 7-10 record had drafted around 8 to 11

[Born2Steel]

If we look at last year,team with a 7-10 record had drafted around 8 to 11

That's about the record I think we will finish with. Maybe a little better if we hit a hot streak.

[dislocatedday]

I watched the Georgia-Tennessee game this past weekend, and focused on Jalen Carter every time he was on the field. After watching him intently for a full game, I want him even more now to somehow end up being drafted by the Steelers. It's not the highlight reel plays (sacks, tackles for loss, causing fumbles, etc.) that have me sold on him.......it is his consistent ability to collapse the pocket from the interior and to regularly take on double-teams from the opposing offensive line.

I have dreams of putting this guy inside next to TJ Watt and those two just dominating the right side of an offensive line and causing havoc for the other team.

[teegre]

I watched the Georgia-Tennessee game this past weekend, and focused on Jalen Carter every time he was on the field. After watching him intently for a full game, I want him even more now to somehow end up being drafted by the Steelers. It's not the highlight reel plays (sacks, tackles for loss, causing fumbles, etc.) that have me sold on him.......it is his consistent ability to collapse the pocket from the interior and to regularly take on double-teams from the opposing offensive line.

I have dreams of putting this guy inside next to TJ Watt and those two just dominating the right side of an offensive line and causing havoc for the other team.

:nod:

http://www.steelersuniverse.com/forums/showthread.php/34079-Pastrami-s-way-too-early-mock-2023?p=815766&viewfull=1#post815766

[86WARD]

So, we have to pass the Lions, Raiders and Texans for that #1 pick . . . Looking at their schedules I think Houston will be getting that top pick, I don’t think they win another game this season. Raiders can win against the Colts and we have to play them, so that head to head probably determines who has the better pick there. The Lions could win 2-3 more games. So, we will end up with the #2 pick lol.

Sucks looking at the schedule to se how many more we are going to lose for draft positioning instead of how many more we are going to win for playoff seeding . . .

Colts look to pass the Steelers…

[Orion]

damn i wish the steelers would have waited till this year to draft a QB. the "BIG 2" young and stroud wouldnt even be at the top of my wish list. young looks to small and stroud ...ohio state QB curse. hendon hooker has has been on my radar the last 2 seasons.. how he isnt higher on big boards is beyond me. he should be much higher than will levis.

[polamalubeast]

1589849115705634816

[Mojouw]

If they stay at 4....

That may be the official "You get to draft Will Anderson because everyone else drafted QBs" spot. But, MojoUW, they don't need another edge rusher. Ummm....you can never have too many. Just draft him and figure the rest out later.

Just a random thought...

[Born2Steel]

If DL....Jalen Carter, Myles Murphy, or Bryan Bresee?

If CB...Joey Porter Jr, Kelee Ringo, or Cam Smith?

If OT...Pete Skoronski, Paris Johnson, or Broderick Jones?

[polamalubeast]

If they stay at 4....

That may be the official "You get to draft Will Anderson because everyone else drafted QBs" spot. But, MojoUW, they don't need another edge rusher. Ummm....you can never have too many. Just draft him and figure the rest out later.

Just a random thought...

I agree...Best player available no matter what!

[teegre]

If they stay at 4....

That may be the official "You get to draft Will Anderson because everyone else drafted QBs" spot. But, MojoUW, they don't need another edge rusher. Ummm....you can never have too many. Just draft him and figure the rest out later.

Just a random thought...

I’ve toyed with that idea, as well. (Somewhere it’s posted about having two TJ Watts.)

That said, I’m not sure I still don’t take Jalen Carter. For one, Highsmith is good; whereas, if Heyward retires, there’s not much there to replace him. More importantly, I’m not certain that Anderson is better than Carter. Really. I’ve said it a dozen times: Carter was the BEST defender on last year’s Georgia team that had four first rounders (and multiple second rounders).

[Mojouw]

I’ve toyed with that idea, as well. (Somewhere it’s posted about having two TJ Watts.)

That said, I’m not sure I still don’t take Jalen Carter. For one, Highsmith is good; whereas, if Heyward retires, there’s not much there to replace him. More importantly, I’m not certain that Anderson is better than Carter. Really. I’ve said it a dozen times: Carter was the BEST defender on last year’s Georgia team that had four first rounders (and multiple second rounders).

If both Anderson and Carter are as good as advertised, they basically can't mess it up. Either is going to be a great choice.

Just trying to work through what has more "value" in the Steelers system -- edge rush or DL...hard to say.

I keep thinking "Oh. They can find guys to play on the DL if they try. They've done it fairly often" But then I remember that many of those players look okay because Cam Heyward exists. However....the entire defense just fell apart because one guy got hurt....

Hopefully if they draft in the top 6 or so....they basically find a way to end up with a massively impactful immediate player at either DL, LB, or OT.

[teegre]

If DL....Jalen Carter, Myles Murphy, or Bryan Bresee?

If CB...Joey Porter Jr, Kelee Ringo, or Cam Smith?

If OT...Pete Skoronski, Paris Johnson, or Broderick Jones?

DL: Carter!!!

CB: It comes down to preference. IMO, the three CBs could go in any order. Personally, I like Peezy Jr.

OL: Again, it’s preference.

SUMMATION:
To play it safe… give me a Georgia player in R1, and I’d be a happy camper.

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If both Anderson and Carter are as good as advertised, they basically can't mess it up. Either is going to be a great choice.

Just trying to work through what has more "value" in the Steelers system -- edge rush or DL...hard to say.

I keep thinking "Oh. They can find guys to play on the DL if they try. They've done it fairly often" But then I remember that many of those players look okay because Cam Heyward exists. However....the entire defense just fell apart because one guy got hurt....

Hopefully if they draft in the top 6 or so....they basically find a way to end up with a massively impactful immediate player at either DL, LB, or OT.

Size is the tie-breaker. You can find a 250 lbs. athlete more easily than you can find a 300 lbs. athlete.

[86WARD]

They will fall somewhere around the 10-12 pick…

They will win 4 more games to go 6-11

[DesertSteel]

They will fall somewhere around the 10-12 pick…

They will win 4 more games to go 6-11
That would be good enough to win the NFC South.

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DL: Carter!!!

CB: It comes down to preference. IMO, the three CBs could go in any order. Personally, I like Peezy Jr.

OL: Again, it’s preference.

SUMMATION:
To play it safe… give me a Georgia player in R1, and I’d be a happy camper.

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Size is the tie-breaker. You can find a 250 lbs. athlete more easily than you can find a 300 lbs. athlete.
How are all the Georgia defensive rookies faring so far?

[teegre]

How are all the Georgia defensive rookies faring so far?

Jordan Davis is playing like a top 5 pick.

Treyvon Walker has been really good, but not #1 overall good (still worthy of a top 10 pick).

Devonte Wyatt is playing like an end of R1 selection. As in: he’s good, but not great (yet).

[DesertSteel]

Jordan Davis is playing like a top 5 pick.

Treyvon Walker has been really good, but not #1 overall good (still worthy of a top 10 pick).

Devonte Wyatt is playing like an end of R1 selection. As in: he’s good, but not great (yet).
Yeah I really questioned the Jags going with Walker over Hutchinson.

[teegre]

They will fall somewhere around the 10-12 pick…

They will win 4 more games to go 6-11

It’s fun to pretend who we’d pick in the top five, but YES, we will go 9-7… and pick much later in the draft (than we are currently slated).

[86WARD]

It’s fun to pretend who we’d pick in the top five, but YES, we will go 9-7… and pick much later in the draft (than we are currently slated).

I was looking forward to that 1-5 pick…

[teegre]

I was looking forward to that 1-5 pick…

Indeed :willy: It’s fun to play “what if…”

[teegre]

Based on a 9-7 regular season…

R1: Peezy Jr., CB, Penn St.
R2: Zion Nelson, OT, The U
R2: Andrew Vorhees, LG, USC
R3: Ricky Stromberg, C, Arkansas

[dislocatedday]

Don't pull the Steeers out of top 5 picks just yet. Minkah is now going to miss multiple games because of his appendectomy.

This is just one of those seasons where almost everything goes wrong.

[teegre]

Don't pull the Steeers out of top 5 picks just yet. Minkah is now going to miss multiple games because of his appendectomy.

This is just one of those seasons where almost everything goes wrong.

Oh, don’t you worry. I watched Georgia-Miss St. … and focused solely on 88.

(He didn’t disappoint.)

[Born2Steel]

Oh, don’t you worry. I watched Georgia-Miss St. … and focused solely on 88.

(He didn’t disappoint.)

Throw on some Bama games and watch #55 on the OL. 300lbs RG that pulls and blocks in space, run blocking and pass pro are both very impressive. Emil Ekiyor(looked up his name) 2nd round?

Also still big on UT RT Darnell Wright. I watched him a lot in the Ga/UT game and he was very solid vs that Ga front. Has been very solid for 2 seasons at RT.

Michigan LT Ryan Hayes is a guy I have been watching this season. It's his 2nd season there(graduate) and his pass block sets look clean but they don't run much to the left side. Paris Johnson at OSU is still my favorite if drafting an LT. Luckily the Mich/OSU game is coming up and can watch both live.

[Born2Steel]

1. Porter Jr CB PSU
2a. Emil Ekiyor RG Bama
2b. Darnell Wright RT Tennessee
3. Gervon Dexter DL Florida

[teegre]

Throw on some Bama games and watch #55 on the OL. 300lbs RG that pulls and blocks in space, run blocking and pass pro are both very impressive. Emil Ekiyor(looked up his name) 2nd round?

Also still big on UT RT Darnell Wright. I watched him a lot in the Ga/UT game and he was very solid vs that Ga front. Has been very solid for 2 seasons at RT.

Michigan LT Ryan Hayes is a guy I have been watching this season. It's his 2nd season there(graduate) and his pass block sets look clean but they don't run much to the left side. Paris Johnson at OSU is still my favorite if drafting an LT. Luckily the Mich/OSU game is coming up and can watch both live.

To quote Twitter last night:
“#55 just ended some guy’s life!!!”

[teegre]

1. Porter Jr CB PSU
2a. Emil Ekiyor RG Bama
2b. Darnell Wright RT Tennessee
3. Gervon Dexter DL Florida

My only concern: the right side is better than the left side. Would this mean that we switch Chukks to LT?… and Moore to LG? What about Daniels?

[pczach]

There are some big factors that will come into play in next year's draft.

Will Matt Canada still be the OC?

Will the offense remain in place, or will there be a new offense installed?

Will the blocking schemes be the same, or do they decide to fundamentally change the style of play of the OL? It's a huge difference on the player you choose based on whether you are going with a zone blocking scheme or a power blocking scheme. That's what makes it harder to project. Some guys could work in either. Some need to be in a particular scheme to succeed.

There are so many questions that need to be answered before we can make those decisions for the front office! :lol:

[Born2Steel]

My only concern: the right side is better than the left side. Would this mean that we switch Chukks to LT?… and Moore to LG? What about Daniels?

Good points.

I am not nearly as down on Moore and Dotson as many others are. Chuks is scheduled to make another $25M over the next 2 seasons, 13 in '23 and 12 in '24. Not terrible money to keep him on the right side. In 2025 he will either get a big pay raise or walk. That's when Wright is ready to step in, year 3 after backing up/winning outright?

The RG position needs upgrade. I was happy to get Daniels in FA. The RG I wanted in the draft(Ed Ingram) is the guy that pushed him to us. Ekiyor is 1 possibility. Jarrett Patterson may be the prize here, C/G from ND. I'm still a long way from setting my feet on my specific draft favorites yet. This is just throwing names out there and seeing how it looks later.

1. Porter Jr or Kelee Ringo are the only 2 CB choices for me in the 1st right now. I haven't looked much past those 2 names yet so maybe there is another to consider. There's another Witherspoon I have heard/read his name more than a few times. And another Cam at SC I need to look into. Bama has Eli Ricks but he left the game early vs Ole Miss. A whole lotta fun left at CB.

2. I like reading things about OL prospects where it says 'hasn't given up a sack in X number of games'. Patterson C/G and Wright RT always seem to get that mention. Ekiyor is the much more mobile RG but is that more important for the Steelers or are the pass sets the focus? IDK. There is not a 'Pouncey or Dawson' in this draft but a true Center like Stromberg at Ark is enticing. Although he seems to be more of a blocker/people mover than a guy that wins with athleticism in space. Are we a spread offense or focusing on running? Again, IDK.

3. There has been a draft focus on the DL, Loudermilk and Leal, and recent FA adds with Adams and Ogunjobi. Enough that I don't thing there is an urgency in the 1st round unless it's just a can't pass on player. I know the rave currently is Jalen Carter. I get Dontari Poe vibes from him. Very good player and will definitely go in the 1st, just not what the Steelers usually do. Who knows with Kahn? Gervon Dexter from UF is an under-rated interior DL player, IMO. He may also rate a higher pick than what the Steelers are willing to spend though. PJ Mustipher may be intriguing to the Steelers brass.

[teegre]

@B2S
Moore was the second-highest graded Steeler on Sunday. That said, if there’s a chance to upgrade the position, I’d do it. If/when it does occur, I’d like to see him move inside to LG.

Daniels has been good, but not as good as I had expected. Patterson at C or RG would make me happy.

Ringo is probably better, but I gotta go with Peezy’s kid. :lol:

I have like five centers and twice as many guards that I’d take (as an upgrade over what we have).

I disagree: Carter more closely resembles Reggie White than Dontari Poe. Okay… White is a lofty comparison. He’s more like Cam Heyward than Dontari Poe.

[teegre]

Currently at 10.

You only have these two options:

-Peter Skoronki, Kansas St. (or your favorite LT)
-Kelee Ringo, CB, Georgia

Who do you take? Why???

[DesertSteel]

Currently at 10.

Trending to #32 though

[Born2Steel]

Currently at 10.

You only have these two options:

-Peter Skoronki, Kansas St. (or your favorite LT)
-Kelee Ringo, CB, Georgia

Who do you take? Why???

As of pre-Thanksgiving, I’m taking the OL. The OL is a bit top heavy this draft. If there is a guy I think will upgrade available in the 1st I have to take it.

I would not be disappointed with a defensive playmaker either.

P.S. Skoronski plays at NW. Took over for Slater there.

[teegre]

Trending to #32 though

YES!!! :nod:

[teegre]

P.S. Skoronski plays at NW.

D’oh :lol: (same color scheme)

[Born2Steel]

D’oh :lol: (same color scheme)

The only issue I would have with Skoronski is there is a lot of noise about him moving inside for the NFL due to being only 6’4” and around 295lbs. Not small by my standards but by NFL OT standard that is small. I saw that Tevin Jenkins is playing OG now too after being one of the top OT prospects. The importance of a players length, anchor, and reach gets more important the more outside they play. I think for the Steelers OL he would be a better player inside. Still not against taking him and locking down that role.

[Mojouw]

A lot of pre-draft places are starting to classify Skoronski as a guard. I just can't see pulling the trigger on guard in the top 10. I mean guard play is super-duper important and I wish the Steelers had better play from their guards...but not that high in the draft.

Say they pick somewhere in the range of 10-12....I figure it is a LT if one falls or you catch the falling defensive uber-prospect. QBs will get pushed up. LTs will get pushed up. There will be WR someone just has to have. That is going to push down 1-2 defensive players that have the "mind boggling athleticism but how does it translate to the NFL" label. Maybe grab that guy?

Perhaps my head is too full of thoughts of this year's Micah Parsons on the Steelers defense. Personally, I thought Parsons was over-drafted and wouldn't work out. Then I saw all that speed and anticipation actually translate onto a football field. I think the kid is going to be fine.

If Colbert was running the draft, I am almost certain they would sit back at 10-12 and draft whatever edge or LB that slipped a bit because offensive guys got pushed up the board. But I do not know how the new regime will handle things. Especially if there is a powerful/influential new OC. That may scramble the draft priorities.

So....LT and not CB...

[teegre]

The only issue I would have with Skoronski is there is a lot of noise about him moving inside for the NFL due to being only 6’4” and around 295lbs. Not small by my standards but by NFL OT standard that is small. I saw that Tevin Jenkins is playing OG now too after being one of the top OT prospects. IThe importance of a players length, anchor, and reach gets more important the more outside they play. I think for the Steelers OL he would be a better player inside. Still not against taking him and locking down that role.

I see that. Then again, the consensus was that Tyler Linderbaum’s arms were too short to be successful in the NFL… and he has the highest run-blocking grade of any center.

[BlackAndGold]

Penn State left tackle Olu Fashanu would look great as a Steeler.

CB & DL in round 2. Guard/Center in round 3, edge/ILB/wr round 4.

[dislocatedday]

I watched Skornoski play in the last couple NW games, and he jumped out at me with his footwork. He moves incredibly well, and seems to adjust and set his body at really good angles while he is blocking. He may have shorter arms which say to move him inside, but his footwork looks like a tackle to me.

NFL teams can evaluate him better than I can though, so if they think he is better suited to play guard than so be it.

[SteelMember]

I see that. Then again, the consensus was that Tyler Linderbaum’s arms were too short to be successful in the NFL… and he has the highest run-blocking grade of any center.

Creed Humphrey had a similar "measurables" issue... although, I personally think the injury issue was Linderbaum's bigger red flag at the time.

Both of these players were successful, proven college players at their position though.

The Steelers opted not to just look at the measurables ( a good thing), and ended up "projecting" too much "potential".
...Then you end up with a guy like Kendrick Green that can barely play any spot in the NFL.

[Born2Steel]

I see that. Then again, the consensus was that Tyler Linderbaum’s arms were too short to be successful in the NFL… and he has the highest run-blocking grade of any center.

There was that talk. I just don’t think there is nearly as much issue with length at IOL positions. Whether he is double teaming, pulling, or getting to the 2nd level to block a LB or Safety mobility and athleticism is so much more important. In pass protection sets IOL want to make themselves wider and heavier, not longer. Some guys are just better at it than others.

I thought the knock on Linderbaum was more about his weight. Can he anchor vs NFL-sized DL. I have pounded the table for some OL I wanted in the draft. Creed Humphrey was one, Rashawn Slater was one. My attitude with Linderbaum was ok if we take him, ok if we don’t.

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I think Jarrett Patterson is still playing without having given up a sack in his career. He plays C/G and has been excellent. Still, there are knocks on his mobility for the next level. So maybe you don’t spend a 1st, but one of the 2nd round picks would make sense.

[DuckHodges]

TJ Watt comes back and basically pushes us out of Jalen Carter range :chuckle:

[Born2Steel]

TJ Watt comes back and basically pushes us out of Jalen Carter range :chuckle:

That DL from Florida looks pretty good too. 6’6” over 300lbs, might be able to bulk up more to 315-320. He could become a monster in the middle. Gervon Dexter.

[86WARD]

There was that talk. I just don’t think there is nearly as much issue with length at IOL positions. Whether he is double teaming, pulling, or getting to the 2nd level to block a LB or Safety mobility and athleticism is so much more important. In pass protection sets IOL want to make themselves wider and heavier, not longer. Some guys are just better at it than others.

I thought the knock on Linderbaum was more about his weight. Can he anchor vs NFL-sized DL. I have pounded the table for some OL I wanted in the draft. Creed Humphrey was one, Rashawn Slater was one. My attitude with Linderbaum was ok if we take him, ok if we don’t.

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I think Jarrett Patterson is still playing without having given up a sack in his career. He plays C/G and has been excellent. Still, there are knocks on his mobility for the next level. So maybe you don’t spend a 1st, but one of the 2nd round picks would make sense.

Linderbaum was short arms…

[RunNGun]

What's everyone's thoughts on Marvin Harrison Jr? His production is elite. He's 6'3 205lbs and can bench 225 lbs 22 times. He ran a 4.6 coming out of high school, but my guess is that he's improved to the low 4.5s or better. Impressive numbers for a WR.

He's not a burner but he runs crisp routes, strong after the catch, great hands, high points the ball, and knows how to find holes in zone defense.

He's also only a sophomore, but I would assume he leaves. If he keeps producing the way he is and has a freakish combine, which I believe he will, then he could very well be a top 10 pick. We have had pretty good luck drafting Ohio State players in Rd 1, which is another reason why I'm starting to jump on this hype train.

Highlights against Penn State...
https://youtu.be/ViRnLTFz9qg

[Born2Steel]

Linderbaum was short arms…

I went back and looked at some of his draft profiles and people were really down on his arm length. Below 32". Even so that doesn't mean as much for IOL. Not as much as OTs. Obviously arm length and overall length matters more for defensive guys. If a guy is a good OL some half inch to an inch shorter arms is not going to make him a bad OL. Even where that would make a difference is way down the list of other important factors. Just one more thing to measure though. One more way to evaluate prospects.

[polamalubeast]

The steelers are one of the several team with only 3 wins this year....Only Houston have fewer win that the steelers right now

[DuckHodges]

The steelers are one of the several team with only 3 wins this year....Only Houston have fewer win that the steelers right now

We'll probably get 3 more wins, finish at 5-12

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

What's everyone's thoughts on Marvin Harrison Jr? His production is elite. He's 6'3 205lbs and can bench 225 lbs 22 times. He ran a 4.6 coming out of high school, but my guess is that he's improved to the low 4.5s or better. Impressive numbers for a WR.

He's not a burner but he runs crisp routes, strong after the catch, great hands, high points the ball, and knows how to find holes in zone defense.

He's also only a sophomore, but I would assume he leaves. If he keeps producing the way he is and has a freakish combine, which I believe he will, then he could very well be a top 10 pick. We have had pretty good luck drafting Ohio State players in Rd 1, which is another reason why I'm starting to jump on this hype train.

Highlights against Penn State...
https://youtu.be/ViRnLTFz9qg Seen a lot of him this year and he is amazing talent and seems like he could produce from day 1. Not a big need though and can't see Pitt drafting him.

[teegre]

What's everyone's thoughts on Marvin Harrison Jr? His production is elite. He's 6'3 205lbs and can bench 225 lbs 22 times. He ran a 4.6 coming out of high school, but my guess is that he's improved to the low 4.5s or better. Impressive numbers for a WR.

He's not a burner but he runs crisp routes, strong after the catch, great hands, high points the ball, and knows how to find holes in zone defense.

He's also only a sophomore, but I would assume he leaves. If he keeps producing the way he is and has a freakish combine, which I believe he will, then he could very well be a top 10 pick. We have had pretty good luck drafting Ohio State players in Rd 1, which is another reason why I'm starting to jump on this hype train.

Highlights against Penn State...
https://youtu.be/ViRnLTFz9qg

He is flat-out amazing!!!

That said, if the QB doesn’t have enough time to get him the ball, what’s the point.

SUMMATION:
O-line

[86WARD]

Draft doesn’t matter…there’s so many needs and a piss poor coaching staff. Anythjng they add to the team will just be wasted talent just like pretty much every player in this team.

[Rotorhead]

At this point, I wouldn’t be upset if our first 3 picks were OL. Yeah our CBs got burned all night across the middle, but if we cant move the ball on the offensive side, we could have the top player at every defensive position and still lose.

[teegre]

At this point, I wouldn’t be upset if our first 3 picks were OL. Yeah our CBs got burned all night across the middle, but if we cant move the ball on the offensive side, we could have the top player at every defensive position and still lose.

We have the cap space (finally) to sign the best LT in free agency. I’d do that, and then move Dan Moore to LG. Without current picks (8, 33, 38, 69), I would draft (in no particular order): CB, C, DL, RG.

(Note: That’s still THREE O-linemen.)

[teegre]

We have the cap space (finally) to sign the best LT in free agency. I’d do that, and then move Dan Moore to LG. Without current picks (8, 33, 38, 69), I would draft (in no particular order): CB, C, DL, RG.

(Note: That’s still THREE O-linemen.)

8: Kelee Ringo, CB, Georgia
33: O’Cyrus Torrence, OG, Florida
38: Gervon Dexter, DL, Florida
69: Jarrett Patterson, C, Notre Dame


8: Peter Skoronski, OG, Noethwestern
33: Peezy Jr., CB, Penn St.
38: Gervon Dexter, DL, Florida
69: Jarrett Patterson, C, Notre Dame

[DuckHodges]

The more time goes by, I think we need to draft a shutdown corner. To compete with the elite QBs of this league, it's a necessity. You can't always count on your pass rush getting there.

Then again, our OL sucks and aging DL needs to be addressed. Good thing we have that extra 2nd round pick which looks like it'll be high.

[BlackAndGold]

It's a good corner class. I'd target one with the Bears pick. Devon Witherspoon(Illinois) or Cam Smith(South Carolina).

[DuckHodges]

It's a good corner class. I'd target one with the Bears pick. Devon Witherspoon(Illinois) or Cam Smith(South Carolina).

If we drop to Pick 8 (out of Carter Range), would Ringo be a good pick? That guy seems to be the total package (size, speed, good in man coverage)

[BlackAndGold]

If we drop to Pick 8 (out of Carter Range), would Ringo be a good pick? That guy seems to be the total package (size, speed, good in man coverage)

Ringo is talented but drafting a corner that high scares me. Such a tough position. The better value is round 2 Imo. They need to nail the first round. I'm looking at building up the trenches.

A round 1 pick should be a player that can either protect the QB, get after the QB, or a QB.

Also, if they're drafting in the 8-10 range, they should look to move down a couple of spots and get more picks.

[teegre]

It's a good corner class. I'd target one with the Bears pick. Devon Witherspoon(Illinois) or Cam Smith(South Carolina).

I’m partial to Peezy’s kid, but I LOVE Witherspoon.

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Ringo is talented but drafting a corner that high scares me. Such a tough position. The better value is round 2 Imo. They need to nail the first round. I'm looking at building up the trenches.

A round 1 pick should be a player that can either protect the QB, get after the QB, or a QB.

Looking at the two drafts I listed, you are in favor of the second option (Skoronski and then a corner). :nod:

[teegre]

As far as an O-line making a difference, the Rams have Stafford and Genius McVay, and they still can’t win a game to save their life… one season after winning the Super Bowl.

The difference… no O-line.

[BlackAndGold]

I’m partial to Peezy’s kid, but I LOVE Witherspoon.

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Looking at the two drafts I listed, you are in favor of the second option (Skoronski and then a corner). :nod:

I'm a big Witherspoon fan myself.


Yes in order by pick: OL, CB, DL, OL and in round 4 grab an edge rusher or WR (I'v circled two Spartans, Jacoby Windmon and Jayden Reed.

[Born2Steel]

It's a good corner class. I'd target one with the Bears pick. Devon Witherspoon(Illinois) or Cam Smith(South Carolina).

After watching some game film and highlights, I have personally removed Cam Smith from my wishlist. I think he’s going to be a flag magnet with his hands and talking and taunting. I still very much like Porter Jr, Ringo, and Ricks. Still haven’t look into Witherspoon much.

[Steeler-in-west]

We still need to find AV’s replacement, maybe Pouncey’s too.
Tyson might be done, Tuitt is gone, have to address those too.
And yeah, Haden’s replacement as well

[Born2Steel]

DL has Cam, Leal, Adams, and Loudermilk signed through 2023. DL is definitely in play round 1.

[Born2Steel]

Every CB is under contract at least through 2023. Only James Pierre is not and he will be a RFA.

I still believe CB will be very much in play in round 1.

[Born2Steel]

The Steelers starting OL are all 26 and younger. All signed through 2023. I know they have not been great and improvement is demanded. I just don’t think OL will get 1st round consideration this draft.

[Mojouw]

I am enjoying learning about the names everyone is bringing up.

I like the approach to this draft. Specific names can be debated. https://steelersdepot.com/2022/11/heitritter-pittsburgh-steelers-2023-mock-draft-2-0-post-week-11-edition/

But, LT, C, CB, LB, Edge, DT, and WR all shored up in one class....that would be outstanding. I realize it is unrealistic to expect all of those players to hit and be successful NFL contributors but I wouldn't hate the approach from Khan and crew.

[Born2Steel]

I am enjoying learning about the names everyone is bringing up.

I like the approach to this draft. Specific names can be debated. https://steelersdepot.com/2022/11/heitritter-pittsburgh-steelers-2023-mock-draft-2-0-post-week-11-edition/

But, LT, C, CB, LB, Edge, DT, and WR all shored up in one class....that would be outstanding. I realize it is unrealistic to expect all of those players to hit and be successful NFL contributors but I wouldn't hate the approach from Khan and crew.

Nothing would make me happier than 2 premier OL with the 1st 3 picks.

[DuckHodges]

Nothing would make me happier than 2 premier OL with the 1st 3 picks.

I dream of having an OL that even Benny Snell can run behind lol

[Rotorhead]

I am enjoying learning about the names everyone is bringing up.

I like the approach to this draft. Specific names can be debated. https://steelersdepot.com/2022/11/heitritter-pittsburgh-steelers-2023-mock-draft-2-0-post-week-11-edition/

But, LT, C, CB, LB, Edge, DT, and WR all shored up in one class....that would be outstanding. I realize it is unrealistic to expect all of those players to hit and be successful NFL contributors but I wouldn't hate the approach from Khan and crew.

I would take this draft no problem. If we can win in the trenches with our OL, we are back into the annual playoff contention talk (well, assuming Canada is replaced with at least a garbage can)

[teegre]

I am enjoying learning about the names everyone is bringing up.

I like the approach to this draft. Specific names can be debated. https://steelersdepot.com/2022/11/heitritter-pittsburgh-steelers-2023-mock-draft-2-0-post-week-11-edition/

But, LT, C, CB, LB, Edge, DT, and WR all shored up in one class....that would be outstanding. I realize it is unrealistic to expect all of those players to hit and be successful NFL contributors but I wouldn't hate the approach from Khan and crew.

I can never see the Steelers Depot articles (my phone gets flooded/the screen gets covered up with pop-up ads). Anyway, I’m not sure which players they chose, but using that order, I’d like to see:

8… LT: Peter Skoronski, Northwestern
(Yes, he’s most likely moving to LG, he’s also the top-rated lineman.)

33… C: Jarrett Patterson. Notre Dame
(This is horrible value. There isn’t a center who should be drafted in the top 50, but if that’s the order, then give me the best one.)

38… CB: Peezy Jr, Penn St.
(Witherspoon is also a viable option.)

69… ILB: SirVocea Dennis, Pitt
(We like our homegrown players. Plus, it fits a need and value for this spot.)

R4…Edge: Mike Morris, Michigan
(Big 10 which Tomlin likes, and Michigan produces good pass-rushers.)

R5…DT: http://www.steelersuniverse.com/forums/showthread.php/34099-2023-Draft-Thread-for-DL?p=816881#post816881p

R7…WR: fastest guy out there

[Mojouw]

I can never see the Steelers Depot articles (my phone gets flooded/the screen gets covered up with pop-up ads). Anyway, I’m not sure which players they chose, but using that order, I’d like to see:

8… LT: Peter Skoronski, Northwestern
(Yes, he’s most likely moving to LG, he’s also the top-rated lineman.)

33… C: Jarrett Patterson. Notre Dame
(This is horrible value. There isn’t a center who should be drafted in the top 50, but if that’s the order, then give me the best one.)

38… CB: Peezy Jr, Penn St.
(Witherspoon is also a viable option.)

69… ILB: SirVocea Dennis, Pitt
(We like our homegrown players. Plus, it fits a need and value for this spot.)

R4…Edge: Mike Morris, Michigan
(Big 10 which Tomlin likes, and Michigan produces good pass-rushers.)

R5…DT: http://www.steelersuniverse.com/forums/showthread.php/34099-2023-Draft-Thread-for-DL?p=816881#post816881p

R7…WR: fastest guy out there

Ad blocker? I kid. That site has gotten ridiculous with the pop-ups and other things. It is like a 1990's Geocities page. But, still a good source of Steelers content. I am one of those vanishingly small # of Luddites that still primarily does the internets on a computer and it is fairly easy to banish the ads.

Here is the draft:

Rd 1 - Olu Fashanu OT Penn State
Rd 2 - John Michael Schmitz C Minnesota
Rd 2 - Emmannual Forbes CB Miss. State
Rd 3 - Tuli Tuipulotu DL USC
Rd 4 - KJ Henry EDGE Clemson
RD 5 - Ivan Pace Jr. LB Cincinnati
Rd 7 - Johnny Wilson WR FSU

[Mojouw]

https://theathletic.com/3488797/2022/08/10/college-football-freaks-list-2022/

I don't know if all these guys are draft eligible or not. But getting a couple of this list is likely not a bad idea.

The OLB from Army sounds like an ideal later round gamble. Wonder if the the Army would be willing to deal a little on his service timeline?

[teegre]

Ad blocker? I kid. That site has gotten ridiculous with the pop-ups and other things. It is like a 1990's Geocities page. But, still a good source of Steelers content. I am one of those vanishingly small # of Luddites that still primarily does the internets on a computer and it is fairly easy to banish the ads.

Here is the draft:

Rd 1 - Olu Fashanu OT Penn State
Rd 2 - John Michael Schmitz C Minnesota
Rd 2 - Emmannual Forbes CB Miss. State
Rd 3 - Tuli Tuipulotu DL USC
Rd 4 - KJ Henry EDGE Clemson
RD 5 - Ivan Pace Jr. LB Cincinnati
Rd 7 - Johnny Wilson WR FSU

A luddite reference… brilliant!!!

I’m fine with the (true) LT from Penn St. He or the two others (from Georgia and Ohio St.) make a ton of sense.

I like the Golden Gopher… but, NOT at 33!!!

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https://theathletic.com/3488797/2022/08/10/college-football-freaks-list-2022/

I don't know if all these guys are draft eligible or not. But getting a couple of this list is likely not a bad idea.

The OLB from Army sounds like an ideal later round gamble. Wonder if the the Army would be willing to deal a little on his service timeline?

Great list. :nod: Lots of Michigan players. There always seems to be a freak at WVU… but they rarely translate that athleticism into production at the college level (let alone in the pros). That said, it’s a requirement that Tomlin adds a Mountaineer to every training camp roster. So, give me Jordan Jefferson in R7.

[Born2Steel]

I can never see the Steelers Depot articles (my phone gets flooded/the screen gets covered up with pop-up ads). Anyway, I’m not sure which players they chose, but using that order, I’d like to see:

8… LT: Peter Skoronski, Northwestern
(Yes, he’s most likely moving to LG, he’s also the top-rated lineman.)

33… C: Jarrett Patterson. Notre Dame
(This is horrible value. There isn’t a center who should be drafted in the top 50, but if that’s the order, then give me the best one.)

38… CB: Peezy Jr, Penn St.
(Witherspoon is also a viable option.)

69… ILB: SirVocea Dennis, Pitt
(We like our homegrown players. Plus, it fits a need and value for this spot.)

R4…Edge: Mike Morris, Michigan
(Big 10 which Tomlin likes, and Michigan produces good pass-rushers.)

R5…DT: http://www.steelersuniverse.com/forums/showthread.php/34099-2023-Draft-Thread-for-DL?p=816881#post816881p

R7…WR: fastest guy out there

I think we already have the fastest guy out there in Austin III. I guess it will tell us more of the story if the Steelers draft a WR early. Probably means Austin is a no go. If no WR drafted or a late round pick, then we know we have our speedy guy.

This would get me pretty excited actually. DJ, Pickens, and CA3 can all get open quickly, make spectacular and contested catches, and add in your other options are PF and Najee. Send all 5 deep and run a draw with KP for 20+ yards. I honestly feel this offense is close. Just missing that OC to pull it all together.

The defense could use another true #1 CB like Haden. I still very much like Sutton. Witherspoon and Wallace may not be true #1s but they are better than what we have had at the position. Maybe get 2. A true #1 and a sticky slot CB that loves to be physical and get dirty.

I've been begging for OL for 3 drafts now. We'll see.

[86WARD]

Austin is a non-factor and not something you can even remotely count on for 2023. He’s looking more like Dri Archer right now than Tyreek Hill…

[teegre]

I think we already have the fastest guy out there in Austin III. I guess it will tell us more of the story if the Steelers draft a WR early. Probably means Austin is a no go. If no WR drafted or a late round pick, then we know we have our speedy guy.

This would get me pretty excited actually. DJ, Pickens, and CA3 can all get open quickly, make spectacular and contested catches, and add in your other options are PF and Najee. Send all 5 deep and run a draw with KP for 20+ yards. I honestly feel this offense is close. Just missing that OC to pull it all together.

The defense could use another true #1 CB like Haden. I still very much like Sutton. Witherspoon and Wallace may not be true #1s but they are better than what we have had at the position. Maybe get 2. A true #1 and a sticky slot CB that loves to be physical and get dirty.

I've been begging for OL for 3 drafts now. We'll see.

To clarify: the order & positions used in that list are from the Steelers Depot article. For example, I’m not taking a center until the end of R2. More to your point: in R7, I have no clue which WR I’d take: so, I mentioned the “fastest” one available… because, why not (it is not any indictment of CAIII).

Make sense?

But, Yes, I agree: I’d like 3/5 of the O-line to be upgraded by the start of next season.

[Born2Steel]

To clarify: the order & positions used in that list are from the Steelers Depot article. For example, I’m not taking a center until the end of R2. More to your point: in R7, I have no clue which WR I’d take: so, I mentioned the “fastest” one available… because, why not (it is not any indictment of CAIII).

Make sense?

But, Yes, I agree: I’d like 3/5 of the O-line to be upgraded by the start of next season.

Absolutely understand. I was just conversing. Here's a Thanksgiving Day version of a 7 round Mock I also kinda like(a lot). https://stillcurtain.com/2022/11/24/steelers-latest-7-round-mock-draft/

[teegre]

Absolutely understand. I was just conversing. Here's a Thanksgiving Day version of a 7 round Mock I also kinda like(a lot). https://stillcurtain.com/2022/11/24/steelers-latest-7-round-mock-draft/

I figured that you were using it as a talking point, but I just wanted to clarify (in case anyone thought otherwise).

That mock: :willy:

First of all, trading back AND still getting Skoronski AND acquiring a R1 pick in 2024. JACKPOT!!!

After that, drafying both Sewell and Smith in R2 are steals!!! I really like the DT from Pitt (he’s one of the athletic freaks from the article that mojoUW posted). And then, I obviously love the Patterson pick. Everything else is just gravy.

SUMMATION:
I’d take that draft 100 times out of 100.

[Born2Steel]

Austin is a non-factor and not something you can even remotely count on for 2023. He’s looking more like Dri Archer right now than Tyreek Hill…

Not really debating your thoughts on CA3, just wonder if you could expand on why you feel that way. I admit I am usually overly optimistic about football/sports related things, but I am am still in wait and see mode when it comes to Austin. Everything up to his injury was mostly very positive by all reports.

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I figured that you were using it as a talking point, but I just wanted to clarify (in case anyone thought otherwise).

That mock: :willy:

First of all, trading back AND still getting Skoronski AND acquiring a R1 pick in 2024. JACKPOT!!!

After that, drafying both Sewell and Smith in R2 are steals!!! I really like the DT from Pitt (he’s one of the athletic freaks from the article that mojoUW posted). And then, I obviously love the Patterson pick. Everything else is just gravy.

SUMMATION:
I’d take that draft 100 times out of 100.

Yep. Those 5 top70 picks!!! Trade away the remaining picks for a box of victory cigars.

[teegre]

Yep. Those 5 top70 picks!!! Trade away the remaining picks for a box of victory cigars.

Heck, you could take three long-snappers with those last few picks… and it would still be one of the best drafts in the past 50 years.

[86WARD]

Not really debating your thoughts on CA3, just wonder if you could expand on why you feel that way. I admit I am usually overly optimistic about football/sports related things, but I am am still in wait and see mode when it comes to Austin. Everything up to his injury was mostly very positive by all reports.

I am more wait and see and prove it to me. One of the biggest things I hate about sports is trading proven talent for “prospects”…I hate it. Austin is a little guy, very talented at the college level and to be honest, I was very excited to see what he could do. Still am, but I can’t put any stock/dependence into a guy who couldn’t make it onto the field. If he comes in and does great that’s awesome…if he doesn’t, that’s fine too because, by my thought, I would have replaced him with an insurance policy if some sort…if that makes sense?

To sum it up…it’s probably just overly pessimistic…

[Born2Steel]

It seems everyone on here wants to fix the OL first. Just curious which OL position(s) need fixed the most. Not necessarily which to draft first, which position on the OL the most improvement. What are your thoughts on this?

[DuckHodges]

It seems everyone on here wants to fix the OL first. Just curious which OL position(s) need fixed the most. Not necessarily which to draft first, which position on the OL the most improvement. What are your thoughts on this?

I honestly don't think the line is absolutely as terrible as people make it out to be, but it's just not very good. Weakest spots are the tackles, Dan Moore and Chuks. Replacing either with a 1st rounder would make my day. Probably most likely Chuks since a blind side OT probably has way more value

The interior guys are not as bad, but I would be all for spending a high pick on a center if there's a good one available. Nothing against Mason Cole who has done ok, but if we want to get back to Steeler football, or a good offense for that matter, the offensive line has to be better than just 'meh' or 'ok'

Other spots that worry me are the DL. Heyward is getting up there in age, Alualu is likely in his last season, and we don't have anyone who replaced Tuitt. Also the CB position, we just don't have the talent there to hang with the elite QB's of the league. In my opinion it seems like in the modern NFL, for a defense to be reliable against the top offenses in the league, a shutdown corner is a must.

[pczach]

I honestly don't think the line is absolutely as terrible as people make it out to be, but it's just not very good. Weakest spots are the tackles, Dan Moore and Chuks. Replacing either with a 1st rounder would make my day. Probably most likely Chuks since a blind side OT probably has way more value

The interior guys are not as bad, but I would be all for spending a high pick on a center if there's a good one available. Nothing against Mason Cole who has done ok, but if we want to get back to Steeler football, or a good offense for that matter, the offensive line has to be better than just 'meh' or 'ok'

Other spots that worry me are the DL. Heyward is getting up there in age, Alualu is likely in his last season, and we don't have anyone who replaced Tuitt. Also the CB position, we just don't have the talent there to hang with the elite QB's of the league. In my opinion it seems like in the modern NFL, for a defense to be reliable against the top offenses in the league, a shutdown corner is a must.



The thing to remember is that the OL has been relatively healthy all year. They have played together the whole year and this is the product on the field. In the NFL, teams with healthy OL tend to have great years. Here? Not so much.

If the OL is this poor and inconsistent at full strength, imagine if they were riddled with injuries and backups were playing.

The offensive line needs to be upgraded. I think it has played badly enough that you can take the highest offensive lineman on the draft board when you pick, regardless of position.

[polamalubeast]

The thing to remember is that the OL has been relatively healthy all year. They have played together the whole year and this is the product on the field. In the NFL, teams with healthy OL tend to have great years. Here? Not so much.

If the OL is this poor and inconsistent at full strength, imagine if they were riddled with injuries and backups were playing.

The offensive line needs to be upgraded. I think it has played badly enough that you can take the highest offensive lineman on the draft board when you pick, regardless of position.

Great point...Like it would been way worse if the steelers would have 10 different combinaison at the o-line like the rams this year.....

[pczach]

Great point...Like it would been way worse if the steelers would have 10 different combinaison at the o-line like the rams this year.....



Absolutely. It would be a nightmare.

That's why I don't believe the organization can be too position specific in the upcoming draft. They need to draft the best football players available. That's how you build a depleted roster.

Get the best players available and fill holes with free agents. This could turn around very quickly with a great draft, some shrewd FA acquisitions, and the improvement of Kenny Pickett.

[Steeler-in-west]

My head says o or d line, or even cb, but Caleb Williams is looking good! And I’d love to see an SC qb shine in the pros (for the Steelers to boot)

[JimHarbaugh'ssoakedtissue]

My head says o or d line, or even cb, but Caleb Williams is looking good! And I’d love to see an SC qb shine in the pros (for the Steelers to boot) He was a dang escape artist tonight and wow some of those runs.

[teegre]

My head says o or d line, or even cb, but Caleb Williams is looking good! And I’d love to see an SC qb shine in the pros (for the Steelers to boot)

2024

[Born2Steel]

Baker Mayfield, Kyler Murray, Jalen Hurts, Spencer Rattler, now Caleb Williams. There is a pattern with Lincoln Riley and QBs.

[Steeler-in-west]

He was a dang escape artist tonight and wow some of those runs.

He made KP look like MR in comparison

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2024

By then we should know if KP is the guy or not

[teegre]

By then we should know if KP is the guy or not

Thankfully, by then, Kenny will have shown that he’s the guy. :nod:

(Because, we won’t likely have the #1 overall in 2024… and we would need a Brinks truck to acquire that pick.)

[teegre]

It seems everyone on here wants to fix the OL first. Just curious which OL position(s) need fixed the most. Not necessarily which to draft first, which position on the OL the most improvement. What are your thoughts on this?

LT… best free agent available

LG… move Moore there

C… late R2

RG… stick with Daniels, but add competition

RT… maybe at pick 34?… which is where one can get a very good right tackle

[Born2Steel]

LT… best free agent available

LG… move Moore there

C… late R2

RG… stick with Daniels, but add competition

RT… maybe at pick 34?… which is where one can get a very good right tackle

Best FA available looks to be Orlando Brown, and at around $20M. Supply and demand. The tracker currently shows 4 true LTs hitting the market.

[teegre]

Best FA available looks to be Orlando Brown, and at around $20M. Supply and demand. The tracker currently shows 4 true LTs hitting the market.

Plus, Brown hasn’t had the best season. Hmmm…

Maybe someone like Jack Conklin. Or, a guy who failed at OT, but was great at guard (Elgton Jenkins).

[BlackAndGold]

Nooooo

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[teegre]

^^^CRUD^^^

[Mojouw]

Dang. I was really all aboard the train for drafting the kid. Like done reading and just figuring that was the best imaginary plan that I could come up with.

[Born2Steel]

Nooooo

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I'm not 100% sure Broderick Jones shouldn't follow suit and return for another season at Georgia. These LT prospects need seasoning, IMO. Just one season starting is iffy, especially for a 1st round projection.

[Rotorhead]

Nooooo

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For some reason I can’t see the tweets, just get an error message, what does this one say?

[DuckHodges]

Jordan Addison in rd. 1? :chuckle:

[Born2Steel]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10056803-2023-nfl-draft-big-board-br-nfl-scouting-depts-latest-player-rankings

This is obviously early since underclassmen haven't all declared. I thought it was a fun read though.

[BlackAndGold]

For some reason I can’t see the tweets, just get an error message, what does this one say?

"Penn State offensive tackle Olu Fashanu tells ESPN he will return to school for the 2023 season. The decision comes as a surprise in the NFL world, as @olu_fashanu projected as the top lineman in the 2023 NFL Draft. Huge news for PSU coming off 10-2 year."

[DuckHodges]

any reason anyone expected to be a top 10 pick in the draft would return to school? if it's a decision based off wanting your degree, you can always go back and get it. you run the risk of getting injured and the pay decrease from a rd. 1 pick to rd. 2 and beyond is huge

[Born2Steel]

any reason anyone expected to be a top 10 pick in the draft would return to school? if it's a decision based off wanting your degree, you can always go back and get it. you run the risk of getting injured and the pay decrease from a rd. 1 pick to rd. 2 and beyond is huge

Probably makes more with NIL money than a rookie contract already. ???

[Born2Steel]

Joey Porter Jr has declared for the 2023 NFL Draft!!!!!

:yay3::rockon::cheer2::thumbsup::applaudit::whoo:

[Rotorhead]

any reason anyone expected to be a top 10 pick in the draft would return to school? if it's a decision based off wanting your degree, you can always go back and get it. you run the risk of getting injured and the pay decrease from a rd. 1 pick to rd. 2 and beyond is huge

Maybe his dream job isn’t in the NFL

[teegre]

Joey Porter Jr has declared for the 2023 NFL Draft!!!!!

:yay3::rockon::cheer2::thumbsup::applaudit::whoo:

Kelee is probably better... buuuut... it's Peezy's kid!!!

[DuckHodges]

Maybe his dream job isn’t in the NFL

not mine either but i wouldn't pass up an opportunity to make 8.5M over 4 years and go back to my life's calling. that much cash can already secure your retirement as long as you're not dumb with your money

[teegre]

Jordan Addison in rd. 1? :chuckle:

I know that your post is partially tongue in cheek, but the connection that Kent snd he had was amazing… much like Burrow and Chase. And, since I’ve referred to Kenny as “Burrow Lite”, I could indeed see this same thing (matching a QB with his favorite college target) happening.

[RunNGun]

I know that your post is partially tongue in cheek, but the connection that Kent snd he had was amazing… much like Burrow and Chase. And, since I’ve referred to Kenny as “Burrow Lite”, I could indeed see this same thing (matching a QB with his favorite college target) happening.

If they get a top free agent OL then I don't see why WR isn't in play. I wouldn't take a WR if we were picking top 5, but if we're picking around 8-12 I'd have no problems.

[Born2Steel]

1. Joey Porter Jr CB PSU
2a. John Michael Schmitz OC Minn
2b. Jaelyn Duncan OT Maryland
3. DJ Turner CB Mich
4. Tommy Eichenberg ILB OSU

All Big10 top100 Mock Draft

[teegre]

If they get a top free agent OL then I don't see why WR isn't in play. I wouldn't take a WR if we were picking top 5, but if we're picking around 8-12 I'd have no problems.

In that case, picking at 28-31 shouldn’t be a problem at all. :wink02:

[BlackAndGold]

No receiver until round 3/4. Thank you.


Zay Flowers(BC), Jayden Reed(Mich St), Trey Palmer(Nebraska), A.T. Perry(WF)

[teegre]

1. Joey Porter Jr CB PSU
2a. John Michael Schmitz OC Minn
2b. Jaelyn Duncan OT Maryland
3. DJ Turner CB Mich
4. Tommy Eichenberg ILB OSU

All Big10 top100 Mock Draft

I think that is a little early for Schmitz… and too late for Duncan. Flip-flop those two picks, and we’re good… although, I’d like a D-lineman in R3.

Watching Tremaine Edmunds tonight… maybe we sign him (and re-sign his brother) thus eliminating the need to draft an ILB.

[BlackAndGold]

O'Cyrus Torrence may be someone to circle. Tweets below make a good case.



@J_Heits
With the way that Tomlin has talked about Cole and the trust Pittsburgh has continued to show in Dan Moore Jr, I'm fairly positive the #Steelers will prioritize OG in the draft, specifically LG to replace Dotson. O'Cyrus Torrence is the premier player at G, could be in play RD 1

https://twitter.com/J_Heits/status/1598324568149614593


@J_Heits
@Alex_Kozora has said many times, the #Steelers like their guards big. #Florida OG O'Cyrus Torrence is listed at 6'5, 347lb and moves like a sub-300lb player. Last time Pittsburgh drafted a UF OL in the first two rounds of the draft, I reckon it worked out just ok

https://twitter.com/J_Heits/status/1598422734186356751



@GettinSwamped
If O'Cyrus Torrence opts out of the bowl game (which is expected), he will finish his entire 4-year college career not giving up a single sack with only 24 quarterback hurries. Insane statistics for an offensive lineman

https://twitter.com/GettinSwamped/status/1597263232330534912

[teegre]

^^^:nod:^^^

I love O’Cyrus Torrance. I’ve mentioned him at 34 a few times (even in this thread).

[Born2Steel]

KP has been sacked 23 times in 7 games. Dan Moore has allowed 6. Chuks has allowed 2. Dotson 4, Cole 2, Daniels 0. I guess I see OL need as LT 1st, then LG. Either way the numbers say the issue is on the left side. Why do we keep the stats?

[teegre]

KP has been sacked 23 times in 7 games. Dan Moore has allowed 6. Chuks has allowed 2. Dotson 4, Cole 2, Daniels 0. I guess I see OL need as LT 1st, then LG. Either way the numbers say the issue is on the left side. Why do we keep the stats?

Question:
What if there’s not a LT available when we draft?

Idea:
Move Chukks to LT, move Moore to LG, draft Jaelyn Duncan to play RT.

[BlackAndGold]

How many sacks are on KP for holding onto the ball, or walking into a sack?

[Born2Steel]

Question:
What if there’s not a LT available when we draft?

Idea:
Move Chukks to LT, move Moore to LG, draft Jaelyn Duncan to play RT.

That was more in reply to the headline in the post about "Tomlin...puts trust in Dan Moore...". In the same article where I got the numbers on KP's sacks, it also listed penalties. Dan Moore is taking the lion's share of those too.

YES!! I want to build the OL by whichever means works best for the long haul. IF I had gotten my 3 wishes from the draft fairy, we would already have Rashawn Slater, Creed Humphrey, and Ed Ingram. I'm just going to continue to bang the drum for blue chip guys on the OL.

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How many sacks are on KP for holding onto the ball, or walking into a sack?

I'll go with....9

[teegre]

That was more in reply to the headline in the post about "Tomlin...puts trust in Dan Moore...". In the same article where I got the numbers on KP's sacks, it also listed penalties. Dan Moore is taking the lion's share of those too.


My question was more of a “realistic” hypothetical. With the kid from Penn St. going back to college, and the Steelers making a playoff run (:wink02:), the odds of a LT being available diminishes with every Steelers victory.

So, if there isn’t a LT available when we pick, what would be the best draft strategy?

[teegre]

I know that we will not pick high enough to get him, but Jalen Carter just had an incredible sack, that ended with him lifting the QB into the air… and just holding him until the whistle blew. :applaudit:

[Born2Steel]

My question was more of a “realistic” hypothetical. With the kid from Penn St. going back to college, and the Steelers making a playoff run (:wink02:), the odds of a LT being available diminishes with every Steelers victory.

So, if there isn’t a LT available when we pick, what would be the best draft strategy?

Specifically to LT I have no idea. This is not shaping up to be a big LT draft. I still really like the RT at Tennessee. 2nd round.

[teegre]

Specifically to LT I have no idea. This is not shaping up to be a big LT draft. I still really like the RT at Tennessee. 2nd round.

Yep :nod: that’s what I was trying to say. There’s only a few LTs in this draft, and if we don’t get one, wouid it be best to do something like…

-draft a RT
-move Chukks to LT
-move Moore to LG

(I think that we are saying the same thing/are in the same page.)

[DuckHodges]

I know that we will not pick high enough to get him, but Jalen Carter just had an incredible sack, that ended with him lifting the QB into the air… and just holding him until the whistle blew. :applaudit:

Probably not. With Watt back and Kenny progressing, we're probably a mid-tier team. I'm guessing we end the season at 7-10 or 8-9. That'll take us out of "Carter Range"

[polamalubeast]

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[DuckHodges]

Jordan Addison?

[BlackAndGold]

There is no Jamar Chase in this draft. Day 2 is better value.

I'd look in free agency for a vet slot guy.

[RunNGun]

Jordan Addison?

I like Addison a lot. Not sure where he's projected at this point. A lot will change between now and the draft regardless.

Another guy I like a lot is Jalin Hyatt. He's growing on me and might be my new favorite WR. Reminds me a lot of Mike Wallace. He can absolutely fly and has a lot of splash play potential.

Pairing Hyatt and Pickens on the outside with DJ in the slot could be a problem for defenses.

If we could land Hyatt with our 1st 2nd rder I'd be stoked.

[86WARD]

There is no Jamar Chase in this draft. Day 2 is better value.

I'd look in free agency for a vet slot guy.

I’d sign JuJu back in a second. Instant improvement to this group.

[polamalubeast]

I’d sign JuJu back in a second. Instant improvement to this group.

Canada(if he is back,I hope not!) don't know how to use the slot position....This is a major problem

[Dwinsgames]

the line play as of late hasnt been that bad , in fact its been decent and steadily improved so I am not so sure I would want to spend to much draft capital on it and ruin the progress it has made ...

that said if I was to do anything it would be LT, Moore is outmatched by many of his opponents and he is penalized every week for something ..

while we do not have a stellar line we have one that is on the rise as a unit they are greater than the sum of their parts IMO ..I am looking at defensive disruption to make it nearly impossible to throw the ball past 7 yards unless its anticipation routes...

TJ and A.H are great but I want the Cam Heyward ability of 5 years ago to match with them . the Tuitte of 3-4 years ago to go with them ....

my theory is if you only have 2 seconds to throw you are going to make a lot of mistakes and while our secondary may not be able to cover for extended periods the one thing they do excel in is being opportunistic so give them the ability to be just that .... obviously I used a sim and did a little moving in the mock but came away with this ...


14) Bryan Bresee DT Clemson

33) Peter Skoronski OT Northwestern

44) Siaki Ika DT Baylor

75) Marvin Mims WR Oklahoma

114) Jordan Morgan OT Arizona

207) Micah Abraham CB Marshall

225) Tykee Smith S Georgia

[polamalubeast]

the line play as of late hasnt been that bad , in fact its been decent and steadily improved so I am not so sure I would want to spend to much draft capital on it and ruin the progress it has made ...

that said if I was to do anything it would be LT, Moore is outmatched by many of his opponents and he is penalized every week for something ..

while we do not have a stellar line we have one that is on the rise as a unit they are greater than the sum of their parts IMO ..I am looking at defensive disruption to make it nearly impossible to throw the ball past 7 yards unless its anticipation routes...

TJ and A.H are great but I want the Cam Heyward ability of 5 years ago to match with them . the Tuitte of 3-4 years ago to go with them ....

my theory is if you only have 2 seconds to throw you are going to make a lot of mistakes and while our secondary may not be able to cover for extended periods the one thing they do excel in is being opportunistic so give them the ability to be just that .... obviously I used a sim and did a little moving in the mock but came away with this ...


14) Bryan Bresee DT Clemson

33) Peter Skoronski OT Northwestern

44) Siaki Ika DT Baylor

75) Marvin Mims WR Oklahoma

114) Jordan Morgan OT Arizona

207) Micah Abraham CB Marshall

225) Tykee Smith S Georgia

One of the reason why this o-line is not that awful is because they were healthy for the most part....Same lineup every week for this unit....

[dislocatedday]

Since the Steelers are in all likelihood going to be out the range where they could possibly get Jalen Carter, I'd prefer they take Bryan Bresee if he is still on the board in the first when they pick. He is a disruptive force from the interior of the D-line. He was hurt most of his sophomore year, and then battled a kidney infection earlier this year along with dealing with the death of his sister, so his stock may be down a little bit.

The Steelers offensive line is playing better, and while there is still definite room for improvement, it is by no means a dumpster fire at this point compared to some of the offensive lines I have watched play recently on other NFL teams.

[DuckHodges]

One of the downsides to being a Steelers fan is you'll probably spend an entire lifetime without knowing what it's like to pick top 5 in the draft, but that's not really a bad thing lol

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

It seems everyone on here wants to fix the OL first. Just curious which OL position(s) need fixed the most. Not necessarily which to draft first, which position on the OL the most improvement. What are your thoughts on this?

One question that I have is : Who is currently the Steelers best Offensive lineman?

I am curious to see who posters think it is. I mean I cant really say that one guy stands out and I can honestly say that zero of them are pro bowl caliber, so if that is true I would say that Offensive line needs to be addressed in the draft on the first 2 days for sure. Cant be too selective of whether its a T or G/C, but just add a blue chip O lineman to the group.

[Mojouw]

It certainly isn’t Dotson. He’s too dumb.

[polamalubeast]

It certainly isn’t Dotson. He’s too dumb.

just awful on the last play!....Maybe the answer is Daniels

[that1guy]

It certainly isn’t Dotson. He’s too dumb.

Probably Chucks

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

I think the reality is that Ronnie Stanley, Kevin Zeitler, Tyler Linderbaum, Morgan Moses of the Ravens are all better O linemen than the Steelers best O lineman. So it probably makes sense that an O lineman might be drafted day 1.

But the other sad truth is that AluAlu is old, Heyward is old, Wormley isnt the run stuffer that is needed and Loudermilk is an unknown, while DeMarvin Leal is a better pass rusher than run defender on the D line.

Steelers are a couple years away and some rebuilding in the trenches before they can compete for a playoff spot again.

[polamalubeast]

I don't know the players for the next draft but the best case scenario for the steelers is to find a DL who is very good for stopping the run and rush the passer...I don't know if they can have a players like that in the next draft even if they draft high....A true number 1 CB and a offensive lineman would help too but they will have 2 pick in the second round too

[polamalubeast]

I don't know the players for the next draft but the best case scenario for the steelers is to find a DL who is very good for stopping the run and rush the passer...I don't know if they can have a players like that in the next draft even if they draft high....A true number 1 CB and a offensive lineman would help too but they will have 2 pick in the second round too

I forget...a true 3 down ILB is also a huge need

[DuckHodges]

I want Joey Jr., have to admit a part of it is having a Steeler legend's son suit up for the team. The guy is a baller too

[BlackAndGold]

Very early rough draft idea/mock. I'll assume they draft in the top 15, so I would trade back a couple of spots(Yes I know it takes 2 teams to tango) to pick up another 3rd and maybe even a 5th, more picks the better.

1. O'Cyrus Torrence, OG, Florida
2. Devon Witherspoon, CB, Illinois
2. Bryon Young, DT, Alabama
3. Jack Campbell, ILB, Iowa
3. Olusegun Oluwatimi, C, Michigan
4. KJ Henry, EDGE, Clemson
5. Jayden Reed, WR, Michigan State
7. Richard Gouraige, OT, Florida
7. Jacob Slade, NT, Michigan State

[Orion]

that linebacker from Iowa, jack campbell is a tackling machine. unlike bush he aint afraid to stick his head in the pile.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMfcCNiXN9E

[polamalubeast]

that linebacker from Iowa, jack campbell is a tackling machine. unlike bush he aint afraid to stick his head in the pile.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMfcCNiXN9E

Can he cover too?

[Mojouw]

So....can someone who knows more than me (and that is most of you) explain to me why the Steelers couldn't play Edmunds as the "dimebacker" and someone like Kazee or Norwood in his spot?

Wouldn't this be a "solution" to some of the LB coverage woes? Edmunds can hold up "in the box" and he is not excellent in coverage but he his better than Bush and Jack when he can't run right.

Is there something I am missing? Or is it just too difficult to pick up that role on the fly? Could teams just toy with a SS masquerading as a LB and get him all mixed up and turned around?

The reason I ask....is this could change the priorities of what the Steelers are looking for in an ILB draft prospect.

[Dwinsgames]

So....can someone who knows more than me (and that is most of you) explain to me why the Steelers couldn't play Edmunds as the "dimebacker" and someone like Kazee or Norwood in his spot?

Wouldn't this be a "solution" to some of the LB coverage woes? Edmunds can hold up "in the box" and he is not excellent in coverage but he his better than Bush and Jack when he can't run right.

Is there something I am missing? Or is it just too difficult to pick up that role on the fly? Could teams just toy with a SS masquerading as a LB and get him all mixed up and turned around?

The reason I ask....is this could change the priorities of what the Steelers are looking for in an ILB draft prospect.

honestly not sure why Kazee isnt on the field more , the guy led the league in INTs a few years ago and always seems to be around the football

[RunNGun]

So....can someone who knows more than me (and that is most of you) explain to me why the Steelers couldn't play Edmunds as the "dimebacker" and someone like Kazee or Norwood in his spot?

Wouldn't this be a "solution" to some of the LB coverage woes? Edmunds can hold up "in the box" and he is not excellent in coverage but he his better than Bush and Jack when he can't run right.

Is there something I am missing? Or is it just too difficult to pick up that role on the fly? Could teams just toy with a SS masquerading as a LB and get him all mixed up and turned around?

The reason I ask....is this could change the priorities of what the Steelers are looking for in an ILB draft prospect.

I've thought the same thing. I noticed that they actually have been doing this a little bit in obvious passing downs.

[polamalubeast]

2023 NFL mock draft: Todd McShay's early first-round predictions for 31 picks

9. Pittsburgh Steelers (5-8)
Paris Johnson Jr., OT, Ohio State

https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/draft2023/insider/story/_/id/35235286/2023-nfl-mock-draft-todd-mcshay-early-first-round-predictions-31-picks-including-qb-landing-spots


Your thoughts on this pick?