Goats (no game balls today)

[EzraTank]

Canada, MT, OL as usual, but today I'm adding the defensive line. NO PUSH, NO PRESSURE, nothing. Highsmith looked like a high school player just getting pushed up the field just like he did last year.

Sad performance all around. I'll be shocked if this team finishes above .500 let alone near it.

[Edman]

Mitch Trubisky adds nothing competitively to this team. You have to limit where he throws, you have to give him the answers beforehand, and even then his shit mechanics won't guarantee anything.

We saw why they just keep throwing outside. As soon as they turned him loose over the middle, he threw a horrible pick. He's fucking trash.

[Mojouw]

Simmer down.

The defense didn’t dominate and it could’ve been better but they did enough to win.

They held a professional football team under 21 points. That’s more often and not enough to win.

[Edman]

The Defense without its MVP held a team to 17 points today and 7 on a very short field.

Take a good look over that "bridge" Quarterback.

[EzraTank]

Simmer down.

The defense didn’t dominate and it could’ve been better but they did enough to win.

They held a professional football team under 21 points. That’s more often and not enough to win.

I disagree. Mac Jones is a very average QB. A good QB with all that time today wins going away against this team. They got ZERO pressure. But you are right it really wouldn't have matter if they gave this offense another 5 turnovers, we still would have lost. Outside of the one drive which was no huddle they were just abysmal again.

[Born2Steel]

I’m giving DJ a damn gameball

[EzraTank]

I’m giving DJ a damn gameball

Okay, I'll concede that, he did make some plays. Running wide open all day has to be tiring.

[pczach]

The defense held a team to 17 points with the NFL Defesive Player of the year out due to injury. I'll give them a pass. The defense held the Pats to zero points on two key drives in the fourth quarter, when the Pats had great field position. Those stops gave the offense the opportunity to drive down the field to tie or win the game with multiple possessions. The offense didn't get it done.

[Born2Steel]

I’m giving the OL a damn gameball

[EzraTank]

Remember this is "our" guy:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FcZluZPXgAADOxX?format=jpg&name=medium

[that1guy]

The OL looked better this week but as long as Tomlin allows Trubisky to be under center opposing defenses know they don't have to worry about the pass game.

[NCSteeler]

NFL calibur QBs are amazing things to watch

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[Dwinsgames]

you want Goats look no Further than that pos OC Canada and if you need another why not Gunner who all by himself handed the Pats 7 points ..... Suttons dropped INT that wound up being a TD a few plays later because Gunner muffed the punt ....

[Edman]

The OL looked better this week but as long as Tomlin allows Trubisky to be under center opposing defenses know they don't have to worry about the pass game.

As long as Trubisky is under center expect what happened today to play itself all season. Like I said, Tomlin was saved from himself last week, and now its cost him a game. Losses need to stack before changes are made.

[EzraTank]

LOL, Browns lost to Jets, Ravens also about to lose after blowing HUGE lead at home.

Our division stinks. :)

[Mojouw]

I disagree. Mac Jones is a very average QB. A good QB with all that time today wins going away against this team. They got ZERO pressure. But you are right it really wouldn't have matter if they gave this offense another 5 turnovers, we still would have lost. Outside of the one drive which was no huddle they were just abysmal again.

I’ll agree with that.

But it was enough to win. But the offense gained what likely happens under 250 yards of total offense in how many possessions?

[DuckHodges]

Trubisky and Canada. Defense played as well as they could without the defensive MVP. The team should know that the offense needs to step up with Watt out and failed to deliver.

Mitch is still the same bears QB, after 5 years in the league he still doesn’t know how to step into a throw

Also Gunner for giving them the ball on the 10 yard line, way to make your old team miss you

[NCSteeler]

Game ball : Defense played thier asses off for what another 100 snaps
Dolphins and Tua for paying actual offense down the stretch


Goat: Canada and Mitch period.

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[Dwinsgames]

Trubisky and Canada. Defense played as well as they could without the defensive MVP. The team should know that the offense needs to step up with Watt out and failed to deliver.

Mitch is still the same bears QB, after 5 years in the league he still doesn’t know how to step into a throw
check the last throw of the game Ravens /Dolphins ... Lamar steps into the throw from mid field and it bounces at the 2 yard line to end the game on a hail mary .....

[EzraTank]

Ravens blew a 35-14 lead in the 4th quarter! Wow.

[RunNGun]

Trubisky and Canada. Defense played as well as they could without the defensive MVP. The team should know that the offense needs to step up with Watt out and failed to deliver.

Mitch is still the same bears QB, after 5 years in the league he still doesn’t know how to step into a throw

That's not even his biggest concern. Throwing off the back foot is never good, but the times he did were actually pretty accurate throws. Mitch doesn't see the field. He's 1 read and checkdown. There were multiple times I saw DJ breaking open down field and Mitch already dumped it off while standing in a clean pocket. I'm convinced a lot of it is Canada's offense. Every QB I've watched play in his offense looks like a deer in the headlights. From Ben to MR, to Trubisky. They don't progress through their reads because they're sensing pressure that isn't there.

[Mojouw]

check the last throw of the game Ravens /Dolphins ... Lamar steps into the throw from mid field and it bounces at the 2 yard line to end the game on a hail mary .....

Did you just try and use a failed Hail Mary as time expired to try and bolster Trubisky? WTF is even going on? Is your position now that stepping into throws doesn’t matter? That missing routine passes is okay because Jackson didn’t hit a miracle?

[Mojouw]

That's not even his biggest concern. Throwing off the back foot is never good, but the times he did were actually pretty accurate throws. Mitch doesn't see the field. He's 1 read and checkdown. There were multiple times I saw DJ breaking open down field and Mitch already dumped it off while standing in a clean pocket. I'm convinced a lot of it is Canada's offense. Every QB I've watched play in his offense looks like a deer in the headlights. From Ben to MR, to Trubisky. They don't progress through their reads because they're sensing pressure that isn't there.

Nathan Peterman looked excellent! Clearly the Steelers just need to transfer to the ACC.

[86WARD]

Game Ball - Leal and Minkah.

Goats - Trubisky/Canada/Gunner

[DuckHodges]

check the last throw of the game Ravens /Dolphins ... Lamar steps into the throw from mid field and it bounces at the 2 yard line to end the game on a hail mary .....

Whataboutism, and last I checked Lamar didn’t play for the Steelers so why that’s relevant is beyond me. By the way we all know Lamar sucks when he has​ to throw. I said years ago he’s Kordell Stewart 2.0 and I’m sticking with it.

[RunNGun]

Did you just try and use a failed Hail Mary as time expired to try and bolster Trubisky? WTF is even going on? Is your position now that stepping into throws doesn’t matter? That missing routine passes is okay because Jackson didn’t hit a miracle?

I think that's what he did there. But he watches film tho so...he knows.

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Nathan Peterman looked excellent! Clearly the Steelers just need to transfer to the ACC.

Not gonna lie...I don't get it. Lol.

[DuckHodges]

Game ball = the browns for being the browns and the ravens for shitting the bed :chuckle:

[RunNGun]

Game ball = the browns for being the browns and the ravens for shitting the bed :chuckle:

That makes this Sunday a little better

[Mojouw]

I think that's what he did there. But he watches film tho so...he knows.

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Not gonna lie...I don't get it. Lol.

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/lsu-football/video-pitt-qb-nathan-peterman-lsu-oc-matt-canada-taught-best/amp/

[stillers4me]

Game ball to the football gods .....no injuries today.

Game balls to Dionte and Minkah and Boz for showing up.

That's all I got.



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[Mojouw]

Game ball to the football gods .....no injuries today.

Game balls to Dionte and Minkah and Boz for showing up.

That's all I got.



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Not true...Bush is still being evaluated for a foot injury that kept him from completing the 4th quarter. And, believe it or not, he has been playing well enough that it might actually be bad if he was to miss time.

[Dwinsgames]

Did you just try and use a failed Hail Mary as time expired to try and bolster Trubisky? WTF is even going on? Is your position now that stepping into throws doesn’t matter? That missing routine passes is okay because Jackson didn’t hit a miracle?

nope..........

thought you were brighter than that man lol

the "League MVP" a couple years ago couldn't throw it 50 yards in the air by stepping into it , but we cant get a play call from the OC of 25 yards if the ball goes that far in the air by our team ( 2 years running now ) its because the QB made the playcall in hurry up

but lets blame the QB 2 years in a row instead of the one making the play calls ...

#pathetic

[Mojouw]

nope..........

thought you were brighter than that man lol

the "League MVP" a couple years ago couldn't throw it 50 yards in the air by stepping into it , but we cant get a play call from the OC of 25 yards if the ball goes that far in the air by our team ( 2 years running now ) its because the QB made the playcall in hurry up

but lets blame the QB 2 years in a row instead of the one making the play calls ...

#pathetic

What is that word salad even trying to say?

You think Lamar Jackson sucks so MT is good because he had a decentish 2 minute drill that lead to no points?

Every QB ever looks good in no-huddle hurry up.

C'mon man. You have somehow staked yourself to MT being a good NFL QB and decided that your just going to be belligerent and aggressive to anyone who says otherwise. It is an odd position to take and a weird island you've put yourself on for inexplicable reasons.

As just about everyone on this board has been saying for over a year...it is possible for a team to both have poor QB play and a piss-poor offensive coordinator. It is not only possible, but more than likely that Old Ben and MT were/are both bad NFL QBs and that Canada is a poor offensive coordinator/playcaller.

MT doesn't see the field well. He has no ability to look off defenders. He has poor mechanics and routinely throws off his back-foot. He has scattershot accuracy. He is gritty and competes his butt off. How can you watch today's game and see anything else?

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Also, if you think that MT is getting the leash to call his own plays even in a no-huddle -- I really want some of that homebrew you gotta be drinking.

[polamalubeast]

1571592881785143298

[Edman]

1571592881785143298

Translation: We saw Trubisky throw that horrible interception and do not trust him the rest of the game to make any throw downfield, so we called short passes all game.

[polamalubeast]

The ravens offense score 38 points today because the ravens defense give up 4 TD in the last 4 drives in the fourth quarter.The steelers score only 27 points in 2 games so far

You can not be perfect in every play,but you can not compare Mitch with other top 15 QB.....

[DuckHodges]

The ravens offense score 38 points today because the ravens defense give up 4 TD in the last 4 drives in the fourth quarter.The steelers score only 27 points in 2 games so far

You can not be perfect in every play,but you can not compare Mitch with other top 15 QB.....

You can’t even compare him to Geno Smith or Jimmy G right now, lol

[BlackAndGold]

Was disappointed in Heyward today. A no show.

Steelers now 0-5 without Watt.

[DuckHodges]

So, has Trubisky done enough to “lose” the job yet? As far as I’m concerned this is 2 losing efforts in a row from him. The defense last week carried him

[Steeler-in-west]

Gameballs: Defense, they did what they had to do minus Watt. Jaylen Warren, he runs hard and decisively. DJ, I was skeptical of him but he’s been playing lights out this year.

Goats: Gunner and MT. MT just can’t move the offense. And he was brought in to do that. I feel like he’s a step down from 2021 Ben and Rudy, so far. Can’t blame the o line , they gave him enough time.

[Edman]

but more than likely that Old Ben and MT were/are both bad NFL QBs and that Canada is a poor offensive coordinator/playcaller.


It may as well be both. We saw what happened when the Steelers dialed up a long pass over the middle of the field today to Johnson. Trubisky stared right to Johnson, threw into bracketed coverage and was picked. In a game where the Steelers wanted to minimize mistakes as possible, they were forced to go back into "hide the quarterback" right after that. That's how bad it shocked them. They knew they could not trust Mitch after that throw, so they took the ball out and hoped for the best.

Shitty, limited Quarterback play limits what you can do on offense and what calls you can play. Canada may as well be a crappy coordinator, but its just as easy that we have the worst quarterback in the league yet again. QB play on the Steelers has been below the line for years now. You can actually go from one bad quarterback to another bad quarterback.

[Rotorhead]

Goats are MT, Gunner and Canada.

What else needs to be said, the Def gave them 3 chances to win the game at the endc or 3 chances to get into FG range and they couldn’t manage a 1st down.

The only question is, how long until Tomlin does something with Canada and or MT?

[DuckHodges]

Goats are MT, Gunner and Canada.

What else needs to be said, the Def gave them 3 chances to win the game at the endc or 3 chances to get into FG range and they couldn’t manage a 1st down.

The only question is, how long until Tomlin does something with Canada and or MT?

I hope soon but honestly would be surprised if it’s this week (basically 4 days till we play at the browns)

If this offense fails to step up the browns will just pound the rock to a win

[polamalubeast]

It may as well be both. We saw what happened when the Steelers dialed up a long pass over the middle of the field today to Johnson. Trubisky stared right to Johnson, threw into bracketed coverage and was picked. In a game where the Steelers wanted to minimize mistakes as possible, they were forced to go back into "hide the quarterback" right after that. That's how bad it shocked them. They knew they could not trust Mitch after that throw, so they took the ball out and hoped for the best.

Shitty, limited Quarterback play limits what you can do on offense and what calls you can play. Canada may as well be a crappy coordinator, but its just as easy that we have the worst quarterback in the league yet again. QB play on the Steelers has been below the line for years now. You can actually go from one bad quarterback to another bad quarterback.

Simple solution if you don't trust Mitch....Make a change at this position....

[NCSteeler]

1571592881785143298Tomlin is finally full of shit fuck Patriots and they didn't stop shit against the Dolphins

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[dislocatedday]

1571592881785143298

I don't expect Tomlin to say everything he thinks to the media in response to a question.........but that response is terrible, and shows him "living in his fears" to use one of his favorite phrases.

[DesertSteel]

Simmer down.

The defense didn’t dominate and it could’ve been better but they did enough to win.

They held a professional football team under 21 points. That’s more often and not enough to win.
Especially if you have an offense that can score more than one touchdown per game. Why o why does Canada have a job other than Mike Tomlin hates to admit a mistake.

[NCSteeler]

Especially if you have an offense that can score more than one touchdown per game. Why o why does Canada have a job other than Mike Tomlin hates to admit a mistake.Tomlin hates to admit a mistake. But he's deep into several mistakes at this point. Fix it or go ahead and get the sub . 500 season out of the way

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[NCSteeler]

Strong possibility Browns kick this ass up and down the field.

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[dislocatedday]

You can’t even compare him to Geno Smith or Jimmy G right now, lol

Even Cooler Rush who came off the practice squad for the Cowboys looks way more effective than Trubisky.

[steelreserve]

The defense did all it could to give us a chance to win. The OL played as well as you could hope for. The RBs and receivers did pretty well with what they had to work with.

That really only leaves one guy. Well, and the dickhead calling the plays for that guy. And also the guy who decided both of those assholes should be playing a prominent role on Sundays.

That game should've been a win, but we threw it right away.

[EzraTank]

1571592881785143298

So basically Tomlin is saying he's "afraid" of the Patriots defense with the trash he is rolling out on offense?

[DesertSteel]

Tomlin is always happy with staying within 3-7 points and squeaking out a win 8-10 times a year. He sees no need to put points on the board. There will be no change at OC or QB for the foreseeable future.

[EzraTank]

Bengals about to come back and make the whole shitty division 1-1.

STRIKE that, Cowboys win with no time left (I see a pattern for the Bungals).

[DesertSteel]

So, has Trubisky done enough to “lose” the job yet? As far as I’m concerned this is 2 losing efforts in a row from him. The defense last week carried him
I think it might take a 3-interception game on Thursday night to even start the itch with Tomlin.

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Bengals about to come back and make the whole shitty division 1-1.
Browns are 2-0 bro.

[Born2Steel]

Browns lost to the Jets 31-30

[polamalubeast]

I think it might take a 3-interception game on Thursday night to even start the itch with Tomlin.

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Browns are 2-0 bro.

No,the Browns have had a major choke job today(up 30-17 with 2 minutes left and the jets with 0 timeout left and the jets win this game!)

[DesertSteel]

Browns lost to the Jets 31-30
Wow! I missed the end of that game. Very nice!

[polamalubeast]

Tomlin is always happy with staying within 3-7 points and squeaking out a win 8-10 times a year. He sees no need to put points on the board. There will be no change at OC or QB for the foreseeable future.

I am so tired of this.It always been a major problem since the start of his tenure,no matter how great or bad the steelers are on paper

[EzraTank]

Lance Trey out for season, I think Trubisky would look great in red and gold.

[Born2Steel]

Lance Trey out for season, I think Trubisky would look great in red and gold.

Trade MT AND MR for Jimmy G AND his contract.

[Edman]

Cooper Rush just came off the street and beat the Bengals. Yes, the Steelers really do have the worst quarterback in the league.

[that1guy]

Tomlin is always happy with staying within 3-7 points and squeaking out a win 8-10 times a year. He sees no need to put points on the board. There will be no change at OC or QB for the foreseeable future.

Tomlin is a good Defensive coach but doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to Offense (see the last 3 seasons). The problem is the Steelers/Tomlin aren't capable of admitting they made a mistake signing Mitch Trubisky so they'll roll with him until a 20 foot banner with Kenny,Kenny,Kenny hangs in Heinz field at ever home game.

[Dwinsgames]

You think Lamar Jackson sucks so MT is good because he had a decentish 2 minute drill that lead to no points?

Every QB ever looks good in no-huddle hurry up.

C'mon man. You have somehow staked yourself to MT being a good NFL QB and decided that your just going to be belligerent and aggressive to anyone who says otherwise. It is an odd position to take and a weird island you've put yourself on for inexplicable reasons.




where did I say any of the bold ... I will wait !!! bring on your quotes I cant wait to see them .....

I will also wait for proof of the red bold ...

see that is and has been your problem , you take a snippet and turn it into whatever it is you desire it to be ( even tho it was never said ) and then try and pass it off as the truth ... damn you are even more liberal than I anticipated ...

here is a novel idea , take what someone actually says and use that as what they mean not what you work up in your mind ...

I'm being belligerent for not liking a post title that if this place was moderated wouldnt even be here , clearly you do not even know what belligerent is ...

hell YOU are the one who argues with damn near everyone on this board , its always a post battle with you .... I should be used to it after nearly 20 years but I guess not

no wonder this place is dying ....

[DuckHodges]

Cooper Rush just came off the street and beat the Bengals. Yes, the Steelers really do have the worst quarterback in the league.

I’m here to eat crow

1- Mitch is not an upgrade over a washed up Big Ben, I thought he would be
2- I ripped into a reporter for saying Mitch was the worst QB in the league prior to the season. He was right I was wrong

[NCSteeler]

I think it might take a 3-interception game on Thursday night to even start the itch with Tomlin.

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Browns are 2-0 bro.Nope

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[Mojouw]

Again, y’all have some points but might’ve gone a bit overboard.

With the QB play Tomlins had past 4 years he should get a medal.

Most teams would have losing records not playoff appearances however fleeting.

[DesertSteel]

Again, y’all have some points but might’ve gone a bit overboard.

With the QB play Tomlins had past 4 years he should get a medal.

Most teams would have losing records not playoff appearances however fleeting.
Tomlin’s super power is also his kryptonite. He eeks out enough wins with bad QB play that he won’t make a change, which produces a slightly above average record and a team incapable of explosive plays.

[DuckHodges]

Tomlin’s super power is also his kryptonite. He eeks out enough wins with bad QB play that he won’t make a change, which produces a slightly above average record and a team incapable of explosive plays.

and even if there is a glaring problem, changes aren’t ever made until there’s a losing streak. Said losses could be prevented if prevention instead of cure is used

[Mojouw]

As I said in the other thread, although it might be more than warranted to fire Canada, I don’t see it happening in season. Jackson has never called plays. As PB reminded me, Sullivan did once upon a time. But it apparently didn’t “stick” and he’s not called plays in 10 years.

How many play callers are sitting on their couches right now? Not many. How many of those would want to get hired on Monday and have to run an offense on Sunday? I’m guessing zero.

Having typed all this out, they’ll have a New OC on Tuesday.

[Steeler-in-west]

Tomlin can thank Watt, Minkah, Cam, Tuitt (while he was here) and an overall stout defense. For fielding a competitive team and squeezing out brief playoff appearances in spite of anemic offense. There’s no magic to his non losing seasons

[Mojouw]

Tomlin can thank Watt, Minkah, Cam, Tuitt (while he was here) and an overall stout defense. For fielding a competitive team and squeezing out brief playoff appearances in spite of anemic offense. There’s no magic to his non losing seasons

All true. But many other coaches/teams try just that approach each year. Few with the same success.

Most teams in the Steelers position the last couple of years take a season or two where they’re not actually trying to compete. I’m not talking about tanking but just not really trying to win playoff games. Steelers have rejected that path and are making an honest effort to be a playoff team with what they have on hand.

As a fan, I disagree with the approach. But I understand and respect it -despite my posts to the contrary.

I think the coaches have done a remarkable job of staying competitive during a significant roster rebuild.

[steelreserve]

As I said in the other thread, although it might be more than warranted to fire Canada, I don’t see it happening in season. Jackson has never called plays. As PB reminded me, Sullivan did once upon a time. But it apparently didn’t “stick” and he’s not called plays in 10 years.

How many play callers are sitting on their couches right now? Not many. How many of those would want to get hired on Monday and have to run an offense on Sunday? I’m guessing zero.

Having typed all this out, they’ll have a New OC on Tuesday.

We did hire an assistant this offseason who was a head coach himself until very recently. I guess he never held the title of offensive coordinator, but you would hope anyone who made it all the way to the top has a decent understanding of it. Even if he doesn't, I'd be willing to take my chances he could figure it out, since the current guy has got to be the worst in the league.

[Mojouw]

We did hire an assistant this offseason who was a head coach himself until very recently. I guess he never held the title of offensive coordinator, but you would hope anyone who made it all the way to the top has a decent understanding of it. Even if he doesn't, I'd be willing to take my chances he could figure it out, since the current guy has got to be the worst in the league.

Again, a post that I can’t say is wrong.

All I got is that other than the Pats handing the reins to Patricia and Judge, I can’t think of a team that fired an offensive coordinator to install a defensive guy. Let alone in season.

I will say that it’s surely gonna get rugged. Kaboly reported that it’s the tensest regular season post game locker room he can remember.

That may mean nothing or something. We will see.

[teegre]

you want Goats look no Further than that pos OC Canada and if you need another why not Gunner who all by himself handed the Pats 7 points ..... Suttons dropped INT that wound up being a TD a few plays later because Gunner muffed the punt ....

THIS was the turning point!!! :nod:

Cam had a GIMME interception. He appeared to try to get up & run before securing the catch... thinking he had an easy pick-six. Alas...

Two plays later... muffed punt.

Two plays after that... TD. :frusty:

[Mojouw]

THIS was the turning point!!! :nod:

Cam had a GIMME interception. He appeared to try to get up & run before securing the catch... thinking he had an easy pick-six. Alas...

Two plays later... muffed punt.

Two plays after that... TD. :frusty:

All too true.

But if these dudes could catch, they’d likely be WRs.

[steelreserve]

Again, a post that I can’t say is wrong.

All I got is that other than the Pats handing the reins to Patricia and Judge, I can’t think of a team that fired an offensive coordinator to install a defensive guy. Let alone in season.

I will say that it’s surely gonna get rugged. Kaboly reported that it’s the tensest regular season post game locker room he can remember.

That may mean nothing or something. We will see.

I have no idea whether my idea would actually work except in the sense of "anything is better than the current shit parade." And I know there is almost no chance they would actually make such a move. After all, you don't get to where we are now without having genuine faith in questionable plans and questionable people. So the odds of that suddenly changing overnight are slim.

I hope what you say about the tension behind the scenes is true. At least it would indicate someone recognizes there's a problem and is getting fed up. A player mutiny might be the one thing that gets Tomlin off his ass.

You know things are rough when even the neutral CBS announcers say during the closing credits, "You have to imagine there are people on the Steelers' side who might be wondering if this is the most effective plan to take advantage of an incredible defense, and whether the young guy gives you a better chance not to waste it." The exact words might have been slightly different, but it made me go holy shit, even these guys see it, and are saying it in about as thinly veiled terms as the impartial announcers are supposed to.

I guess this is the point where I have to admit you turned out to be absolutely right with your dislike for the Trubisky signing. I was convinced we'd never be dumb enough to put ourselves in this situation, but holy shit. From now on I am 100% behind what you said about it being useless to bring in a "mid-range" or "bridge" guy. This was sure a shitty way to be proven wrong.

[Mojouw]

I have no idea whether my idea would actually work except in the sense of "anything is better than the current shit parade." And I know there is almost no chance they would actually make such a move. After all, you don't get to where we are now without having genuine faith in questionable plans and questionable people. So the odds of that suddenly changing overnight are slim.

I hope what you say about the tension behind the scenes is true. At least it would indicate someone recognizes there's a problem and is getting fed up. A player mutiny might be the one thing that gets Tomlin off his ass.

You know things are rough when even the neutral CBS announcers say during the closing credits, "You have to imagine there are people on the Steelers' side who might be wondering if this is the most effective plan to take advantage of an incredible defense, and whether the young guy gives you a better chance not to waste it." The exact words might have been slightly different, but it made me go holy shit, even these guys see it, and are saying it in about as thinly veiled terms as the impartial announcers are supposed to.

I guess this is the point where I have to admit you turned out to be absolutely right with your dislike for the Trubisky signing. I was convinced we'd never be dumb enough to put ourselves in this situation, but holy shit. From now on I am 100% behind what you said about it being useless to bring in a "mid-range" or "bridge" guy. This was sure a shitty way to be proven wrong.

TBH, I didn’t think it would look this bad.

The plan could’ve maybe sorta worked if they’d picked a better bridge. Or maybe had a “guru” kinda offensive coach.

Regardless it looks bad. But there’s hope that maybe KP gets the keys and a trial by fire. At least they’d know where they stood entering the off season?

[steelreserve]

THIS was the turning point!!! :nod:

Cam had a GIMME interception. He appeared to try to get up & run before securing the catch... thinking he had an easy pick-six. Alas...

Two plays later... muffed punt.

Two plays after that... TD. :frusty:

To me it looked like the ball was behind Sutton and he had to reach back for it. Probably a catch you'd expect a receiver to make most of the time, but not a "gimme" interception for a DB.

In the overall scheme of things, though, all it should've counted for was about 25 yards of field position, since we stopped them anyway. That fumble* was what really changed everything.

But also in the overall scheme of things, we still should've won the game if our offense was even marginally acceptable at moving the ball.

*I still cannot bring myself to call it a "muff" when the kick returner drops the ball, any more than I'd call a fumbled snap a "taint," or call a fake punt a "rusty trombone." Like, really, that particular word? I don't know if I've ever heard any other situation in which that word is used to mean "to drop something."

[Steeler-in-west]

All true. But many other coaches/teams try just that approach each year. Few with the same success.

Most teams in the Steelers position the last couple of years take a season or two where they’re not actually trying to compete. I’m not talking about tanking but just not really trying to win playoff games. Steelers have rejected that path and are making an honest effort to be a playoff team with what they have on hand.

As a fan, I disagree with the approach. But I understand and respect it -despite my posts to the contrary.

I think the coaches have done a remarkable job of staying competitive during a significant roster rebuild.

Yeah, the Steelers play to win. They don't take seasons off. That's one of the things i like about them (though i don't watch too much of what other teams do). You can give credit to Tomlin and his defensive background for having the defense carry the team the last few years. It seems he prevents his teams from folding (i remember Cowher being like that too). But you can also point to the error in not making O line the first priority over some skill positions and the seemingly poor choices of OC and Line coach - maybe Tomlin and Colbert share the blame in that.

With Watt out for a few weeks - and the pass rush weakened and MT ineffective i think Tomlin needs to make a calculated gamble and put KP in there before the season gets out of hand - it just makes too much sense.

[fansince'76]

Simmer down.

The defense didn’t dominate and it could’ve been better but they did enough to win.

They held a professional football team under 21 points. That’s more often and not enough to win.

Especially considering that New England got one TD after being gifted the ball at the Steelers' 10-yard line with the muffed punt and ensuing half-the-distance-to-the-goal unsportsmanlike conduct penalty.

[EzraTank]

Trade MT AND MR for Jimmy G AND his contract.

LOL Jimmy G's cap hit is $3 million more than all of our QB's combined.

[Born2Steel]

LOL Jimmy G's cap hit is $3 million more than all of our QB's combined.

So come up with a better frustrated knee-jerk reaction solution then. :sarcasm2:

[EzraTank]

THIS was the turning point!!! :nod:

Cam had a GIMME interception. He appeared to try to get up & run before securing the catch... thinking he had an easy pick-six. Alas...

Two plays later... muffed punt.

Two plays after that... TD. :frusty:

Yes the plays you describe could have shifted the outcome but remember the Dolphins terrorized the Pats the week before sacking Jones twice, got a pick and a fumble. None of these moments in the game changed the fact that Mac Jones had all day to throw and ZERO pressure from our defense. Did we even blitz once? Did losing TJ really mean this much? If so that's scary. Had this been against a better QB we lose going away.

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So come up with a better frustrated knee-jerk reaction solution then. :sarcasm2:

I just thought it was funny when I looked up their cap hit. The nice thing about JimmyG is he's on the last year of that deal so if you did more MT/MR for him we could let him walk when Kenny is ready next year.

[86WARD]

So, has Trubisky done enough to “lose” the job yet? As far as I’m concerned this is 2 losing efforts in a row from him. The defense last week carried him

I would say he’s easily done that…

[Dwinsgames]

where did I say any of the bold ... I will wait !!! bring on your quotes I cant wait to see them .....

I will also wait for proof of the red bold ...

see that is and has been your problem , you take a snippet and turn it into whatever it is you desire it to be ( even tho it was never said ) and then try and pass it off as the truth ... damn you are even more liberal than I anticipated ...

here is a novel idea , take what someone actually says and use that as what they mean not what you work up in your mind ...

I'm being belligerent for not liking a post title that if this place was moderated wouldnt even be here , clearly you do not even know what belligerent is ...

hell YOU are the one who argues with damn near everyone on this board , its always a post battle with you .... I should be used to it after nearly 20 years but I guess not

no wonder this place is dying ....

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[DesertSteel]

Cooper Rush just came off the street and beat the Bengals. Yes, the Steelers really do have the worst quarterback in the league.
It’s actually his 5th year as the Cowboys backup. But cool story.

[Mojouw]

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So...wait it is a multi-post battle and that is bad...but now you're big mad that I am not arguing with you?

Hurry up and up tempo or no huddle or whatever teams want to call it is a well known "gimmick" to get your QB to look better for a drive or so. Teams use it outside of the end of halves as a way to "jump start" QBs all the time.

What proof does anyone need of that besides "watching football games"?

As to the rest of it....I have no idea of I have mischaracterized your statements because I have no idea what position your taking. All I know is that someone brought up the fairly visual obvious thing that MT is falling backwards on a really high % of his throws. Poster remarked that stepping into throws is a usually a good thing for a QB to do. You then posted something about Lamar Jackson not completing a Hail Mary he stepped into. I struggle to see how those two ideas are connected. Like at all.

I guess Tua stepped into 6 TDs yesterday - does that change things?

And....why so mad seemingly? All I have been trying to do is to understand why you are se dug on on MT being a good and viable solution at QB? I know the playcaller is bad. But the QB looks bad as well.

[Edman]

I once vouched for Mason Rudolph on this board and even argued extensively and made excuses for the guy. Even attacking fellow posters. But as much as a I wanted to be right, the guy just wasn't that good of a quarterback. When you see a guy you want to see succeed, you go out to defend him.

Trubisky besides being the free agent signing, has done next to nothing to show he earned his starting job, or his captain status. The "competition" was a steaming load and its hurt this team competitively.

[ALLD]

Steelers Super Bowl was last week against the Bengals. The fans can get down to crunching stats and thinking about the draft.

[DesertSteel]

And....why so mad seemingly? All I have been trying to do is to understand why you are se dug on on MT being a good and viable solution at QB? I know the playcaller is bad. But the QB looks bad as well.
It's more anti-Pickett than pro-Trubisky.

[DuckHodges]

It's more anti-Pickett than pro-Trubisky.

He'd probably be mad if Pickett won 3 super bowls, and is trash because Bradshaw won 4 and Brady won 6

[Iron Steeler]

Honestly,

2 Plays really cost us. Other then that we really were in a good position to win this game.

Nelson Ahalor TD -- He made an incredible play on 3rd and long --- Witherspoon went for a basket catch INT... Rather then fighting and deflecting for an incomplete pass... Situational football , know when to do the safe play.

Gunnar O...- Doinked the punt return. Gave New England the ball on the 20.

[Rotorhead]

Honestly,

2 Plays really cost us. Other then that we really were in a good position to win this game.

Nelson Ahalor TD -- He made an incredible play on 3rd and long --- Witherspoon went for a basket catch INT... Rather then fighting and deflecting for an incomplete pass... Situational football , know when to do the safe play.

Gunnar O...- Doinked the punt return. Gave New England the ball on the 20.

Well, we had 3 chances to get into FG range at the end of the game to tie it up, we got zero 1st downs. Our defense put us into a position to win this game. This is all regardless of the muffed punt and missed INT. We needed to gain 50 yards and had multiple chances. Again, we gained less than 30 on 3 different tries. At this point, the OC needs to be replaced first. MT is garbage, but the OC is worse. Would it get better with KP? Maybe, cause he can hit the open targets down field (from what we saw in the preseason), but will Canada give him any targets to hit?

[polamalubeast]

With the way the offense perform,everytime our defense give up a TD,this is a big blow for the steelers

[hawaiiansteeler]

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[fansince'76]

With the way the offense perform,everytime our defense give up a TD,this is a big blow for the steelers

Yep. The defense has literally no margin for error and that sucks, because they're not the problem.

[Mojouw]

Yep. The defense has literally no margin for error and that sucks, because they're not the problem.

Yup. That’s the biggest problem. If you look around the league, few teams are laying a 3 phase ass whoopin on teams each week.

But the “true contenders” are creating a bit of margin for error here or there. If you drop a coverage, miss a block, turnover, whatever you can survive it and still win because you have other things going well.

Right now this team seems to need 2+ turnovers from the defense, under 20 points allowed, last possession, and a few lucky bounces each week to grit out a win. That’s a big ask.

[teegre]

Yes the plays you describe could have shifted the outcome but remember the Dolphins terrorized the Pats the week before sacking Jones twice, got a pick and a fumble. None of these moments in the game changed the fact that Mac Jones had all day to throw and ZERO pressure from our defense. Did we even blitz once? Did losing TJ really mean this much? If so that's scary. Had this been against a better QB we lose going away.

I disagree. Teryl Austin utilized his strength (DBs) and didn’t worry about trying to get a pass rush with more than 4 guys. Force Jones to throw into coverage… and hope he makes a mistake. It worked well, except for that lucky TD pass.

Take away the BEAVER (that’s for you, steelreserve) and our defense holds them to 10 points.

[teegre]

Honestly,

2 Plays really cost us. Other then that we really were in a good position to win this game.

Nelson Ahalor TD -- He made an incredible play on 3rd and long --- Witherspoon went for a basket catch INT... Rather then fighting and deflecting for an incomplete pass... Situational football , know when to do the safe play.

Gunnar O...- Doinked the punt return. Gave New England the ball on the 20.

Yep… and yep

I’ll add the punt that the Taperiots fumbled into the end zone and (somehow) got a touchback. WTF!?! :huh: That was a safety… at worst. And, was inches from bring a TD. We needed those points.

[fansince'76]

Yep… and yep

I’ll add the punt that the Taperiots fumbled into the end zone and (somehow) got a touchback. WTF!?! :huh: That was a safety… at worst. And, was inches from bring a TD. We needed those points.

Exactly. I was screaming at the TV that that was a safety.

[DuckHodges]

Exactly. I was screaming at the TV that that was a safety.

Yeah that was a BS call, but it's the Patriots, you know the drill

[Steeler-in-west]

Exactly. I was screaming at the TV that that was a safety.

It is a Safety: if the offense commits a foul in its own end zone or; when an impetus by a team sends the ball behind its own goal line, and the ball is dead in the end zone in its possession or the ball is out of bounds behind the goal line.

https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/safety/#:~:text=It%20is%20a%20Safety%3A,bounds%20behind%2 0the%20goal%20line.

Maybe i'm missing something but to me the rules say its a safety

A game that should've been won.

[polamalubeast]

Yep… and yep

I’ll add the punt that the Taperiots fumbled into the end zone and (somehow) got a touchback. WTF!?! :huh: That was a safety… at worst. And, was inches from bring a TD. We needed those points.

It was the right call according to the rule....

[dislocatedday]

Yup. That’s the biggest problem. If you look around the league, few teams are laying a 3 phase ass whoopin on teams each week.

But the “true contenders” are creating a bit of margin for error here or there. If you drop a coverage, miss a block, turnover, whatever you can survive it and still win because you have other things going well.

Right now this team seems to need 2+ turnovers from the defense, under 20 points allowed, last possession, and a few lucky bounces each week to grit out a win. That’s a big ask.

The Bills are looking like an absolute juggernaut right now. I will be curious to see if the Steelers can at least slow them down a little bit in a few weeks when they play.

[DuckHodges]

The Bills are looking like an absolute juggernaut right now. I will be curious to see if the Steelers can at least slow them down a little bit in a few weeks when they play.

Not without TJ or an offense that can give their D a breather at least once in a while. With TJ I like the defense's chances against anybody. They just play on a different level, but seem bland without him. Sorta like the Mid-late 2000's defenses with / without Polamalu

[DesertSteel]

It was the right call according to the rule....
Tomlin seemed cool with it when the ref explained it to him.