Footbahlin w/ Ben Roethlisberger

[86WARD]

Should be very interesting to hear what comes from this show…

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Preview - https://youtu.be/qGxYpw4QAao

Episode 1 - https://youtu.be/tYsrtI35J7g

[Hawkman]

Gotta love that basement.

[86WARD]

Gotta love that basement.

Gotta think it’s one of the best…lol

[86WARD]

Ben gave props to Pickett but thinks Trubisky should start because of the veteran status and the different speed of the regular season…

[DesertSteel]

I saw the quote where Ben said MT hadn't done anything to lose the job. I hate that mentality.

[tube517]

Doing this while the Backyard Brawl is on lol

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[cubanstogie]

I saw the quote where Ben said MT hadn't done anything to lose the job. I hate that mentality.
Stupid mentality. Especially considering neither of them had played a down for Steelers. It was no one’s job to lose. Hopefully when Tomlin announces it he’ll declare a winner of competition, much more positive.

[tube517]

Didn't watch the whole thing. Does he mention Mason Rudolph??? [emoji23]

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[DuckHodges]

I saw the quote where Ben said MT hadn't done anything to lose the job. I hate that mentality.

Same, it's not like he did anything to separate himself from the competition either. Statistically Kenny outplayed him, and in the 3rd game wasn't given much of a chance. Mitch played the entire first half for gods sake

[Dwinsgames]

Didn't watch the whole thing. Does he mention Mason Rudolph??? [emoji23]

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the name never crossed his lips

[86WARD]

Same, it's not like he did anything to separate himself from the competition either. Statistically Kenny outplayed him, and in the 3rd game wasn't given much of a chance. Mitch played the entire first half for gods sake

But he has the veteran experience both and he has played at regular season speed (both mentally and on field). Neither of which Kenny has and if you know anything about Tomlin? That’s a HUGE factor in his decision making…

Pickett would have had to be the equivalent of TJ Watt at QB to start Week One.

[EzraTank]

This is going to be an ugly season probably the worst under Tomlin, but I'm okay with it as long as we don't get Pickett killed. We have a lot of very good offensive weapons and just need an OL. If we can build that I expect 2023 to be a very good year.

[Steeler-in-west]

This is going to be an ugly season probably the worst under Tomlin, but I'm okay with it as long as we don't get Pickett killed. We have a lot of very good offensive weapons and just need an OL. If we can build that I expect 2023 to be a very good year.

If you mean his first non winning season then yeah it will be his worst. But I still think the record will be about 500. The defense is too good, Trubisky is good enough to beat the mediocre teams and KP is the real deal.

[polamalubeast]

In the last few years before each season we always expect that the current year will be average or bad and the next year is going to be better...I'm tired of that,even though it may be true....the NFL rarely goes the way you think....

I mean, even before the 2017 season when we had maybe the best team on paper in the Roethlisberger era, I remember seeing a comment that next year was going to be better because they fixed their weakness. ..

The NFL has never guaranteed and it's possible that this year is a good year and that next year is terrible, we don't know so let's focus on the moment present!

[DesertSteel]

Pickett would have had to be the equivalent of TJ Watt at QB to start Week One.
Lol.

[stillers4me]

The first half was a lot about beer. Some good stuff in the second half. Should get really fun during the season.

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[Istina]

I want to know how "Spence" got this gig with Ben, he's a young guy. How much fun would that be to go to Ben's house, drink beer and talk football?

[86WARD]

I want to know how "Spence" got this gig with Ben, he's a young guy. How much fun would that be to go to Ben's house, drink beer and talk football?

I feel like Spence and Ben are friends from before this…

[HollywoodSteel]

Ben should have said that Pickett needs to sit down and wait for the starter to get severely injured before replacing him and winning rookie of the year. That’s how we did it in my day, and we liked it!

[polamalubeast]

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[polamalubeast]

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You are not alone Ben!...Burfict stay in the league way too long!

[polamalubeast]

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[DuckHodges]

I don’t care what anybody says, Mitch is trash and Kenny is already better. Mitch sucked for 5 years and still sucks, and probably will always suck

[vader29]

Watched the latest episode over the last two nights, didn't realize Pouncey had such a great personality. A player like him is what is needed on the current offensive line.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8vd7EFAevU

[hwalker84]

Watched the latest episode over the last two nights, didn't realize Pouncey had such a great personality. A player like him is what is needed on the current offensive line.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8vd7EFAevU
If you haven't watched the Pivot with the Pouncey brothers you should!

[Mojouw]

Remember when everyone thought the Pouncey brothers were thugs and criminals and wanted to trade MP for pennies on the dollar? That was a fun time on the ol' Steelers interwebs.

[DesertSteel]

Remember when everyone thought the Pouncey brothers were thugs and criminals and wanted to trade MP for pennies on the dollar? That was a fun time on the ol' Steelers interwebs.
Well he was homies with a serial killer. There's that.

[pczach]

Remember when everyone thought the Pouncey brothers were thugs and criminals and wanted to trade MP for pennies on the dollar? That was a fun time on the ol' Steelers interwebs.



All those tattoos and jewelry.......

Get off my lawn! :blah:

[tube517]

Watched the latest episode over the last two nights, didn't realize Pouncey had such a great personality. A player like him is what is needed on the current offensive line.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8vd7EFAevU

They (Pouncey and Ben) think Boz was calling Canada out in that video. LOL. I need to watch Ben's podcast regularly.

[polamalubeast]

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[86WARD]

Harrison was on and was pretty good. I’m enjoying this podcast.

[86WARD]

Harrison talking about Minkah's Interception...

Ben asks Harrison if he would've tried to score instead of running out of bounds. Harrison says: "Damn Right!! Yes Siiiirrrr"

[tube517]

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[Hawkman]

I watched whole thing this afternoon. Great stuff! Watching the game while talking. You can tell that Harrison is still a huge Steeler. Loved the two different perspectives on the the touchdown run. The beer sampling was pretty funny.

[tube517]

I watched whole thing this afternoon. Great stuff! Watching the game while talking. You can tell that Harrison is still a huge Steeler. Loved the two different perspectives on the the touchdown run. The beer sampling was pretty funny.

When Deebo is explaining his rush technique on Ben, Ben says "what are we doing here? Relax" LOL. Harrison's arms are so big that when he is demonstrating they probably feel like tree trunks.

[86WARD]

I watched whole thing this afternoon. Great stuff! Watching the game while talking. You can tell that Harrison is still a huge Steeler. Loved the two different perspectives on the the touchdown run. The beer sampling was pretty funny.

I like when he said he won’t watch the game when they are losing because he thinks he’s bad luck. Stories about ignoring Tomlin and the Tomlinisms were funny…so were the SB XLIII stories…

[Hawkman]

Watching the Pouncey one now. Ben and Pouncey could be a regular act. Cracking each other up.

[Hawkman]

I like when he said he won’t watch the game when they are losing because he thinks he’s bad luck. Stories about ignoring Tomlin and the Tomlinisms were funny…so were the SB XLIII stories…

Harrison is talking about his fear of getting fat, and looks over at Ben’s gut.:rofl2:

[Hawkman]

They (Pouncey and Ben) think Boz was calling Canada out in that video. LOL. I need to watch Ben's podcast regularly.

Me too. Just finished watching the Pouncey episode. The two of them together are hysterical. Pouncey: I don’t know how I feel about a black punter”. Ben:” What do you mean by that”?……
I’ve watched that part three times.

[86WARD]

I need to watch the Pouncey one still…

[Hawkman]

I need to watch the Pouncey one still…

Block off some time, because you will want to back up and here some things again.

[Hawkman]

Keep in mind I just started watching these, but the contrast in interviews, between Heath and Pouncey is incredible. Not better or worse, just very different.

[tube517]

I need to watch the Pouncey one still…

Ditto.

So, who is the guy on the podcast w/Ben? What a lucky dude.

[Hawkman]

Ditto.

So, who is the guy on the podcast w/Ben? What a lucky dude.

My thoughts exactly! He is a good host. When Ben and guest are on a roll, he stays on the sideline….(yes pun intended). All I can find, is his name is Spence.

[86WARD]

Keep in mind I just started watching these, but the contrast in interviews, between Heath and Pouncey is incredible. Not better or worse, just very different.

Just watched most of it and it’s real good. The story about Maurkice and Mike rolling up to Matt Ryan’s door looking for AB was hilarious. Which made me think…I know it won’t happen…would love to see AB on the podcast. The ESPN shout out was good as well.

The whole black punter exchange was hilarious.

I’ve watched the first episode, Charlie Batch, Harrison and Pouncey episodes. I’m not a podcast guy but this one is very enjoyable. Gotta watch the Heath one.

[T&B fan]

I have seen them all from the start . love seeing old players on it , would like to see today's players on after the year is over .
also see former players from other teams like the one who busted Ben's nose . to here them talk real about playing Ben and how hard it was to get him .

[86WARD]

I have seen them all from the start . love seeing old players on it , would like to see today's players on after the year is over .
also see former players from other teams like the one who busted Ben's nose . to here them talk real about playing Ben and how hard it was to get him .

Terrell Suggs would be a good one.

[tube517]

Just watched most of it and it’s real good. The story about Maurkice and Mike rolling up to Matt Ryan’s door looking for AB was hilarious. Which made me think…I know it won’t happen…would love to see AB on the podcast. The ESPN shout out was good as well.

The whole black punter exchange was hilarious.

I’ve watched the first episode, Charlie Batch, Harrison and Pouncey episodes. I’m not a podcast guy but this one is very enjoyable. Gotta watch the Heath one.

The Heath one gives you a clear understanding (but not surprising) of Ben's relationship with Heath and why he was upset when Heath retired.

It's clear that Heath and Pouncey were his right hand men who helped keep his sanity through any craziness.

[polamalubeast]

Terrell Suggs would be a good one.

or Ray Lewis!

[86WARD]

The Heath one gives you a clear understanding (but not surprising) of Ben's relationship with Heath and why he was upset when Heath retired.

It's clear that Heath and Pouncey were his right hand men who helped keep his sanity through any craziness.

The Godfather! [emoji23]

[86WARD]

or Ray Lewis!

That would be good too as would Ed Reed.

[tube517]

The Godfather! [emoji23]

It's true! LOL

[Born2Steel]

That would be good too as would Ed Reed.

Have Ed and Hines on at the same time.

[tube517]

Have Ed and Hines on at the same time.

Or Peazy and Ray Lewis on the same show lol

[Lady Steel]

i know it's hard to believe, but that Spence guy is in his 30's. He mentioned it in one of the podcasts. He looks like he's barely old enough to shave. :lol:

[86WARD]

Pittsburgh Dad as a guest…

[Lady Steel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NIh2UyRZ2M



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apmRfwl_jD4

[Lady Steel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ogPgUAIgeE

[DuckHodges]

Pittsburgh Dad as a guest…

I miss when iron city beer was his sponsor. Loved how he'd say AHHHRRNNN CITY BEER

[Lady Steel]

Live show tonight (1/27/23) at Cinderlands from 6:00-9:00 PM Eastern.

[86WARD]

Finally got to the Keisel Episode and it was good. Thinking I may just role through the rest in chronological order.

[polamalubeast]

Ben Roethlisberger Feels NFL Will Have To Revisit QB Sneak Rules After Success With ‘Pusher’ In 2022

https://steelersdepot.com/2023/02/ben-roethlisberger-feels-nfl-will-have-to-revisit-qb-sneak-rules-after-success-with-pusher-in-2022/

[86WARD]

Ben Roethlisberger Feels NFL Will Have To Revisit QB Sneak Rules After Success With ‘Pusher’ In 2022

https://steelersdepot.com/2023/02/ben-roethlisberger-feels-nfl-will-have-to-revisit-qb-sneak-rules-after-success-with-pusher-in-2022/

It’s sort of a shitty rule if you can push there, why can’t you push linemen on a FG block? Both could be critical plays…

[Mojouw]

They are almost certainly going to be forced to outlaw the new sneak...just don't see the NFL being down with short yardage plays being a rugby scrum.

[86WARD]

They are almost certainly going to be forced to outlaw the new sneak...just don't see the NFL being down with short yardage plays being a rugby scrum.

It’s not even really a scrum…it’s just a bunch of big men, a QB and a couple medium size men pushing into a few big men…that sounds like a player safety issue on paper…

[Mojouw]

It’s not even really a scrum…it’s just a bunch of big men, a QB and a couple medium size men pushing into a few big men…that sounds like a player safety issue on paper…

Agreed.

I don't know my rugby well enough but that is what it reminds me of. And the few I know that have played talk about bigger dudes pushing them past the other teams bigger dudes in the pile-ups or whatever.

I figure there is maybe another season of this before the NFL pushes the competition committee to put a stop to it.

[86WARD]

Agreed.

I don't know my rugby well enough but that is what it reminds me of. And the few I know that have played talk about bigger dudes pushing them past the other teams bigger dudes in the pile-ups or whatever.

I figure there is maybe another season of this before the NFL pushes the competition committee to put a stop to it.

Or until Aaron Donald gets trampled and injured…then they’ll stop it…

[polamalubeast]

Ben will be happy!

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[polamalubeast]

Ben and Spence are joined this week by 2x Super Bowl Champion and Head Coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers, Mike Tomlin. Ben and Coach T recall their favorite moments of SBXLIII, talk player safety, and who is the best defense that Tomlin has coached, along with so much more!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNuxwK5-HTM

[polamalubeast]

Mike Tomlins says the 2010 Pittsburgh Steelers' defense was so good, the NFL changed how defenses could play football. #Steelers

"You talking about a bar fight...that ‘10 group created the player safety initiative."

https://steelersdepot.com/2023/03/steelers-2010-defense-created-the-player-safety-initiative-mike-tomlin-says/

[DesertSteel]

Ben will be happy!

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I thought Blandino switched to the XFL exclusively.

[tube517]

Ben and Spence are joined this week by 2x Super Bowl Champion and Head Coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers, Mike Tomlin. Ben and Coach T recall their favorite moments of SBXLIII, talk player safety, and who is the best defense that Tomlin has coached, along with so much more!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNuxwK5-HTM

Saw a clip of this where Tomlin is talking about the A7 league. Full contact No Pads Football.

[86WARD]

Ben and Spence are joined this week by 2x Super Bowl Champion and Head Coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers, Mike Tomlin. Ben and Coach T recall their favorite moments of SBXLIII, talk player safety, and who is the best defense that Tomlin has coached, along with so much more!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNuxwK5-HTM

Was a good episode!

[86WARD]

Shazier Episode is new and it’s pretty good.

[T&B fan]

Ben has Cower on the newest Episode out now

[polamalubeast]

Kenny Pickett will be on the Footbahlin with Ben Roethlisberger podcast this week!

[86WARD]

Kenny Pickett will be on the Footbahlin with Ben Roethlisberger podcast this week!

Looking forward to that!!!

Cowher episode was EXCELLENT!! Lots of good info on the real story about who Cowher wanted in the draft and how that went down. Seems like the story may have had a little left out of it…typical Steelers beat writers…

[DesertSteel]

Kenny Pickett will be on the Footbahlin with Ben Roethlisberger podcast this week!
Might be the first one I watch.

[tube517]

When is the Mason Rudolph episode? [emoji1787][emoji1787]

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[pczach]

When is the Mason Rudolph episode? [emoji1787][emoji1787]

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He's scheduled to appear right after the Myles Garrett episode.

[86WARD]

Might be the first one I watch.

If you like beer and the Steelers, it’s a pretty good podcast.

[vasteeler]

Might be the first one I watch.

Bill Cowhers was the first one that I watched. I thought it was excellent. I never saw Ben as the media type. I don't think he would do well as a broadcaster. Podcasting seems to fit him well. Looking forward to watching or listening to a few more.

[DesertSteel]

Bill Cowhers was the first one that I watched. I thought it was excellent. I never saw Ben as the media type. I don't think he would do well as a broadcaster. Podcasting seems to fit him well. Looking forward to watching or listening to a few more.
They're just sooooo long!

[86WARD]

They're just sooooo long!

You don’t have to watch you can just listen to them. I’m in the car most of the day so it’s easy for me to listen on and off.

[86WARD]

Bill Cowhers was the first one that I watched. I thought it was excellent. I never saw Ben as the media type. I don't think he would do well as a broadcaster. Podcasting seems to fit him well. Looking forward to watching or listening to a few more.

James Harrison one is good and so is the Heath Miller one. Really all of them are entertaining and totally unprofessional in a good way.

[vasteeler]

They're just sooooo long!

Lol... I'm pretty patient. I listen to Joe Rogans podcast and they are usually three hours.

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James Harrison one is good and so is the Heath Miller one. Really all of them are entertaining and totally unprofessional in a good way.

Listening to the one with Tomlin now. So cool to get the inside scoop. Loved the broken nose story .

[86WARD]

Tomlin is a good one too. When he talks about Harrison’s return in the Super Bowl it’s a good funny story. “I’m tired boss”.

[T&B fan]

Kenny Pickett episode is out now

[polamalubeast]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_g4Xowe1r8

[86WARD]

Gonna listen to it tomorrow on my drive!

[polamalubeast]

Ben Roethlisberger admits he initially didn't want Kenny Pickett to succeed when he took over as starter. But he apologized for those feelings.

"I didn’t want him to succeed because they followed me up...I think you’re the future of this team."

https://steelersdepot.com/2023/05/ben-roethlisberger-admits-he-initially-didnt-want-kenny-pickett-to-succeed-apologizes-to-him-i-feel-bad-for-it/

[Lady Steel]

That's old news. The media needs to get over their damn selves.

[tube517]

Ben Roethlisberger admits he initially didn't want Kenny Pickett to succeed when he took over as starter. But he apologized for those feelings.

"I didn’t want him to succeed because they followed me up...I think you’re the future of this team."

https://steelersdepot.com/2023/05/ben-roethlisberger-admits-he-initially-didnt-want-kenny-pickett-to-succeed-apologizes-to-him-i-feel-bad-for-it/

Of course blown out of proportion and Ben said it to Kenny's face in the podcast. He was just being honest and I'm sure other star QBs felt the same way. (Montana, Favre etc)

[vasteeler]

Great episode. I have to say though, the way Ben "aerates" his beer is SO annoying to listen to... Lol

[DesertSteel]

Ben Roethlisberger admits he initially didn't want Kenny Pickett to succeed when he took over as starter. But he apologized for those feelings.

"I didn’t want him to succeed because they followed me up...I think you’re the future of this team."

https://steelersdepot.com/2023/05/ben-roethlisberger-admits-he-initially-didnt-want-kenny-pickett-to-succeed-apologizes-to-him-i-feel-bad-for-it/
I listened to it and anyone who tries to turn it into a negative just has their own agenda.

[BlackAndGold]

Ben feeling that way about Pickett is normal, no great player wants to be forgotten, and when the replacement comes, I'm sure its tough. But they seem to have a good relationship. I wonder if Ben makes an appearance during camp this Summer? It would've been a distraction last year due to the questions around the QB spot, now with less questions it would be cool to see. The fans would love it I'm sure.

I like Ben's podcast but I don't really care for the beer/food stuff, easily skippable. Also asking Pickett about his religious belief(s), I hate it.

[T&B fan]

Ben feeling that way about Pickett is normal, no great player wants to be forgotten, and when the replacement comes, I'm sure its tough. But they seem to have a good relationship. I wonder if Ben makes an appearance during camp this Summer? It would've been a distraction last year due to the questions around the QB spot, now with less questions it would be cool to see. The fans would love it I'm sure.

I like Ben's podcast but I don't really care for the beer/food stuff, easily skippable. Also asking Pickett about his religious belief(s), I hate it.

I will agree with that . but its there skit . but we have a fast foreword lol

[DuckHodges]

Ben feeling that way about Pickett is normal, no great player wants to be forgotten, and when the replacement comes, I'm sure its tough. But they seem to have a good relationship. I wonder if Ben makes an appearance during camp this Summer? It would've been a distraction last year due to the questions around the QB spot, now with less questions it would be cool to see. The fans would love it I'm sure.

I like Ben's podcast but I don't really care for the beer/food stuff, easily skippable. Also asking Pickett about his religious belief(s), I hate it.

I believe there's an invisible floating man in the sky who watches everything you do, and if you do anything he doesn't like, he has a special place to torture you for eternity... But he loves you, and he always needs money.

[Mojouw]

I believe there's an invisible floating man in the sky who watches everything you do, and if you do anything he doesn't like, he has a special place to torture you for eternity... But he loves you, and he always needs money.

Why is he always short on cash? Is there a mortgage on heaven?

[Bluecoat96]

I believe there's an invisible floating man in the sky who watches everything you do, and if you do anything he doesn't like, he has a special place to torture you for eternity... But he loves you, and he always needs money.
Why is he always short on cash? Is there a mortgage on heaven?Why do you guys have to make snide comments about religion? If it's not your thing, that's your choice, but man...really? It's not like they hide from their faith. It's part of their show.

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[T&B fan]

Why do you guys have to make snide comments about religion? If it's not your thing, that's your choice, but man...really? It's not like they hide from their faith. It's part of their show.

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“Religion is like a pair of shoes.....Find one that fits for you, but don't make me wear your shoes.”
― George Carlin

[Mojouw]

Why do you guys have to make snide comments about religion? If it's not your thing, that's your choice, but man...really? It's not like they hide from their faith. It's part of their show.

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Why so sensitive?

What’s it matter what I do or don’t think?

I got no problem with religion in general but I do think it’s curios that God is always broke,,,,almost like churches are really about the desires of fallible people.

[T&B fan]

Why is he always short on cash? Is there a mortgage on heaven?

“Don't give your money to the church. They should be giving their money to you.”
― George Carlin


“Religion has what is EASILY the greatest bullshit story of all time.”
― George Carlin


“Religion is like drugs, it destroys the thinking mind.”
― George Carlin

I could go on but thats good for now

[Bluecoat96]

“Religion is like a pair of shoes.....Find one that fits for you, but don't make me wear your shoes.”
― George CarlinNot what I was meaning or pushing at all with my post. If Ben and Spence reference their faith, so be it. I just think we could do without the snide little comments about a hot button topic like religion on this site. I've enjoyed this place since it started way back in 2010, so it's not like I'm some brand new person around here. Come on ...we're better than this.

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[Mojouw]

“Don't give your money to the church. They should be giving their money to you.”
― George Carlin


“Religion has what is EASILY the greatest bullshit story of all time.”
― George Carlin


“Religion is like drugs, it destroys the thinking mind.”
― George Carlin

I could go on but thats good for now

Those are solid jokes. Carlin was an amazing talent.

I was thinking of this one:

“Well, the God I believe in isn't short of cash, mister” from “Bullet the Blue Sky” by U2. Back from before they totally sold out.

[Bluecoat96]

Why so sensitive?

What’s it matter what I do or don’t think?

I got no problem with religion in general but I do think it’s curios that God is always broke,,,,almost like churches are really about the desires of fallible people.Why so sensitive? Because I believe that your statement about "always needing money" is so unbelievably ignorant. It is a giant slap in the face to those of us that faithfully give what we can to support valid ministries in our churches. And no...I'm not some blind and ignorant idiot either. I'm a pretty well-educated person. I'm really disappointed in the turn of this thread.

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[Mojouw]

Why so sensitive? Because I believe that your statement about "always needing money" is so unbelievably ignorant. It is a giant slap in the face to those of us that faithfully give what we can to support valid ministries in our churches. And no...I'm not some blind and ignorant idiot either. I'm a pretty well-educated person. I'm really disappointed in the turn of this thread.

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If you need to make it that to feel victimized, no one can stop you.

You’ve created some blind and ignorant component out of thin air to work yourself up I guess? Because I never said that at all.

I’ve been to slot of churches throughout my life and I find the ones who consistently ask for money at multiple points during the service and thunder from the pulpit about how I need to give them my cash to be saved extremely distasteful.

Those that collect funds and do mission work and good deeds at home and abroad are great. My favorite church community made it known how you could contribute, what their goals are, and provided updates and then moved on.

I prefer they draw a line between their need for a new church roof, humanitarian works in El Salvador or something, from the damnation of my immortal soul because God needs a payday loan.

So, since you assumed it was aimed at you; it became some imagined slight rather than my own expression that some of the $$$ aspects of churchianity don’t make a heckuva lot of sense to me.

[Bluecoat96]

If you need to make it that to feel victimized, no one can stop you.

You’ve created some blind and ignorant component out of thin air to work yourself up I guess? Because I never said that at all.

I’ve been to slot of churches throughout my life and I find the ones who consistently ask for money at multiple points during the service and thunder from the pulpit about how I need to give them my cash to be saved extremely distasteful.

Those that collect funds and do mission work and good deeds at home and abroad are great. My favorite church community made it known how you could contribute, what their goals are, and provided updates and then moved on.

I prefer they draw a line between their need for a new church roof, humanitarian works in El Salvador or something, from the damnation of my immortal soul because God needs a payday loan.

So, since you assumed it was aimed at you; it became some imagined slight rather than my own expression that some of the $$$ aspects of churchianity don’t make a heckuva lot of sense to me.I don't feel that it was aimed at me, nor do I feel victimized. I've simply had it with "jokes" aimed at the church. I used to be like that as well, but I realized how wrong it was for me to act like that.

Trust me, it was no easy task to get me to see any other way. I grew up with a Dad who left the seminary as a young pastor and thumbed his nose at the church for a long time because of how they treated my mom. I saw firsthand how his eventual return to his faith changed both him and my mom, and I laughed at them both for it...for a long time. It wasn't until I got that proverbial "slap in the face" that brought me on my own faith journey. One of my most fond memories of my dad was one of the last times I saw him alive, and the tears he shed because he watched me sing and worship on stage at my church.

So yes...I was triggered a little.

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[Mojouw]

I don't feel that it was aimed at me, nor do I feel victimized. I've simply had it with "jokes" aimed at the church. I used to be like that as well, but I realized how wrong it was for me to act like that.

Trust me, it was no easy task to get me to see any other way. I grew up with a Dad who left the seminary as a young pastor and thumbed his nose at the church for a long time because of how they treated my mom. I saw firsthand how his eventual return to his faith changed both him and my mom, and I laughed at them both for it...for a long time. It wasn't until I got that proverbial "slap in the face" that brought me on my own faith journey. One of my most fond memories of my dad was one of the last times I saw him alive, and the tears he shed because he watched me sing and worship on stage at my church.

So yes...I was triggered a little.

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Fair and reasonable. I’m not aiming to disparage your or anyone else for their faith. Or lack thereof.

What drives me nuts is the assumption that anyone who doesn’t see it how your congregation sees it is wrong. And I’m not saying that’s you. But I’m more than tired with people who wear their narrow brand of beliefs as their dominant personality trait and play victim if anyone sees it differently. There’s how many versions of Christianity? How many variations in dogma among those? Then theres other belief systems.

I’ve seen people say and do ridiculously offensive stuff but we’re supposed to let it go because it’s what their church believes.

So the foregrounding of this all just makes me want to poke a little air out of the balloon.

[Bluecoat96]

Fair and reasonable. I’m not aiming to disparage your or anyone else for their faith. Or lack thereof.

What drives me nuts is the assumption that anyone who doesn’t see it how your congregation sees it is wrong. And I’m not saying that’s you. But I’m more than tired with people who wear their narrow brand of beliefs as their dominant personality trait and play victim if anyone sees it differently. There’s how many versions of Christianity? How many variations in dogma among those? Then theres other belief systems.

I’ve seen people say and do ridiculously offensive stuff but we’re supposed to let it go because it’s what their church believes.

So the foregrounding of this all just makes me want to poke a little air out of the balloon.I don't disagree with anything you've said. I suspect we could both go on and on about it, but we've probably derailed the thread enough.

Appreciate the conversation, brother.

Anyway...the Cowher episode was awesome! Really enjoyed the back and forth and fresh takes on old stories.



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[Mojouw]

I don't disagree with anything you've said. I suspect we could both go on and on about it, but we've probably derailed the thread enough.

Appreciate the conversation, brother.

Anyway...the Cowher episode was awesome! Really enjoyed the back and forth and fresh takes on old stories.



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I did as well. I do admit my default to snark can be off putting to say the least. I’ll work on it but no promises.

As with so many things on the internet, this would be more friendly on a barstool rather than a keyboard.

Y’all got me planning on loading these up for my next work trip.

[Craic]

I did as well. I do admit my default to snark can be off putting to say the least. I’ll work on it but no promises.

As with so many things on the internet, this would be more friendly on a barstool rather than a keyboard.

Y’all got me planning on loading these up for my next work trip.

Can't. Gave all my money on Sunday and my church doesn't allow it.

(okay, I'll see myself out).

[Mojouw]

Can't. Gave all my money on Sunday and my church doesn't allow it.

(okay, I'll see myself out).

That was brilliant!
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[pczach]

Why do you guys have to make snide comments about religion? If it's not your thing, that's your choice, but man...really? It's not like they hide from their faith. It's part of their show.

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I understand you guys aren't trying to offend anyone. I get it. However, everything you guys are talking about here are the shortcomings of man, not God.

I am a man of faith, but my faith is in God....not men. I question many things that are done in the name of religion in the world. I also question things that are done within the church that don't go hand-in-hand with my beliefs or the spirit of the word of God.

People don't have to go to church to speak to God or to embrace Him and his teachings. The church on earth for many religions has become more of a money grab than anything else. Your relationship with God has nothing to do with how much money you have or how much you put in the basket every week. God doesn't care what color your skin is. God can be a part of your life everywhere you go because there is no barrier between you and Him. Praying and speaking to Him can happen from anywhere, not just from places of worship. That's the true beauty of God.

We are human beings and we are all flawed in some way. Nobody is perfect. Those of us who have faith understand that as long as there is a human element to religion on earth, there are going to be things that are flawed within the religious organizations. However, we trust in God absolutely.

Any disagreements or questions will be taken up with Him when I leave this place.....if He will have me.

[DesertSteel]

“Religion is like a pair of shoes.....Find one that fits for you, but don't make me wear your shoes.”
― George Carlin
You follow George Carlin and I’ll follow Jesus. I hope you’re happy with where you end up. I know I’ll be.

And for those who claim they aren’t trying to mock Christianity, then don’t. If you are trying to mock it, go ahead. Fire away.

[vasteeler]

How 'bout that podcast, huh?

[steelcityboyz]

Man did this thread take a shit. :shrug:

[Hawkman]

How 'bout that podcast, huh?

Nice attempt to get us back on topic.:wink02:

[Born2Steel]

The story about Ben’s broken nose told by Tomlin has to be my favorite moment from the podcast so far. Nobody wanted to look at Ben directly and Ben kept asking how he looked. All in the timeout huddle. :rofl2:

[BlackAndGold]

This is why I hate when people brings up, or ask about someone's religion/beliefs. It's a vibe killer. Not every thinks the same, just as politics.

Go Steelers!!!!

[DesertSteel]

This is why I hate when people brings up, or ask about someone's religion/beliefs. It's a vibe killer. Not every thinks the same, just as politics.

Go Steelers!!!!
The key is don’t bash or mock other people’s beliefs. It’s called having respect for others.

That said, Ben’s beliefs are part of his podcast and that’s what this thread is about — his podcast.

[ETL]

I will agree with that . but its there skit . but we have a fast foreword lol

ok, I’ll confess just like Ben … I tried really hard to zoom in on your avatar.

[Mojouw]

I ask this as forthright as I know how.

How come expressing opinions or points of view that don’t align with someone’s faith is “snide” or “mocking” or whatever negative you prefer.

But the assumption that everyone NEEDS to believe as you do or their destined for eternal damnation is not only good, but you should tell everyone how they’re going to hell if they don’t get right. It’s the same thing.

Like what if you’re not right? Show up to the after life and dude is like As-Salaam-Alaikum!

Or what if turns out eating pork really is a big deal and all that bacon messes up my afterlife plans?

[DuckHodges]

I ask this as forthright as I know how.

How come expressing opinions or points of view that don’t align with someone’s faith is “snide” or “mocking” or whatever negative you prefer.

But the assumption that everyone NEEDS to believe as you do or their destined for eternal damnation is not only good, but you should tell everyone how they’re going to hell if they don’t get right. It’s the same thing.

Like what if you’re not right? Show up to the after life and dude is like As-Salaam-Alaikum!

Or what if turns out eating pork really is a big deal and all that bacon messes up my afterlife plans?

There's thousands of religions around the world and every one says they're right, who do we know which one's right or wrong? Somebody's gonna be disappointed. Somebody's wasting their fucking time. Could it be... EVERYONE? :chuckle: (another carlin reference sue me lol)

[DesertSteel]

I ask this as forthright as I know how.

How come expressing opinions or points of view that don’t align with someone’s faith is “snide” or “mocking” or whatever negative you prefer.

But the assumption that everyone NEEDS to believe as you do or their destined for eternal damnation is not only good, but you should tell everyone how they’re going to hell if they don’t get right. It’s the same thing.

Like what if you’re not right? Show up to the after life and dude is like As-Salaam-Alaikum!

Or what if turns out eating pork really is a big deal and all that bacon messes up my afterlife plans?
You’re not expressing opinions. You’re making jokes. Why isn’t it cool to make jokes about black people or gay people? Because you’ve been taught to have respect for others. You can make jokes or mock all you want. Just don’t try to pretend that’s not what you’re doing. Anyway, I didn’t bring this subject up, but I’ll sure weigh in on it when it is. I’m now officially weighing out of the subject. Until next time.

[Mojouw]

You’re not expressing opinions. You’re making jokes. Why isn’t it cool to make jokes about black people or gay people? Because you’ve been taught to have respect for others. You can make jokes or mock all you want. Just don’t try to pretend that’s not what you’re doing. Anyway, I didn’t bring this subject up, but I’ll sure weigh in on it when it is. I’m now officially weighing out of the subject. Until next time.

It’s not cool to make fun of someone for the color of their skin. Same with having a specific faith.

But you can totally make jokes on anyone’s bad haircut. Just like I can or anyone else can make jokes about how some churches operate.

I never said being a Christian was dumb, wrong, or whatever else is often assumed.

I did say that churches that guilt their parishioners out of money are gross and make me wonder what all powerful supernatural beings spend money on. This is a well worn cliche and barely qualifies as a joke. That’s how tired it is.

[DuckHodges]

You’re not expressing opinions. You’re making jokes. Why isn’t it cool to make jokes about black people or gay people? Because you’ve been taught to have respect for others. You can make jokes or mock all you want. Just don’t try to pretend that’s not what you’re doing. Anyway, I didn’t bring this subject up, but I’ll sure weigh in on it when it is. I’m now officially weighing out of the subject. Until next time.

Because you don't have a choice when it comes to being black, or gay. You do have a choice whether to believe a fairy tale or not.

[El Kabong]

Because you don't have a choice when it comes to being black, or gay. You do have a choice whether to believe a fairy tale or not.
Well, that's kind of the point. To YOU, they are fairy tales. Obviously, to true believers, the stories are very real. You don't have to believe what the true believers believe, but you could be respectful of the fact that they believe it.

[DuckHodges]

Well, that's kind of the point. To YOU, they are fairy tales. Obviously, to true believers, the stories are very real. You don't have to believe what the true believers believe, but you could be respectful of the fact that they believe it.

Fair enough, I'll drop it. Never intended for the thread to go off the rails the way it did, so I apologize about that :chuckle:

[Hawkman]

I guess there is NO chance of getting back on topic. Most of the posts on the last two pages, belong somewhere else…….like maybe “Soap Box”.

[Mojouw]

Ok. In addition to this football podcast, what are some others that folks enjoy?

I like the offerings by the Athletic.

[86WARD]

Ok. In addition to this football podcast, what are some others that folks enjoy?

I like the offerings by the Athletic.

The only other thing I’ve listened to are lacrosse podcasts and Cam Heyward’s. Im not a big podcast guy but I’m also looking for some other good ones to listen to.

[HollywoodSteel]

The story about Ben’s broken nose told by Tomlin has to be my favorite moment from the podcast so far. Nobody wanted to look at Ben directly and Ben kept asking how he looked. All in the timeout huddle. :rofl2:

The Tomlin one is the only one of listened to all the way through, and it was indeed a good one. And yeah, I love hearing stories from the insiders’ perspective that we previously all only know about as fans watching it happen.

I’m sure it’s not just me, but it really made me happy getting a window in to Ben’s relationship with Tomlin. Ben even made a little sideways reference to Tomlin’s near tripping incident on the sidelines of that kick return, and Tomlin took it with great humor.

Also loved Ben’s question about Tomlin’s favorite defense, and Tomlin’s thoughtful answer comparing the Bucs’ defense to the Steelers’ 2010 defense, and why they were both great in different ways.

[tube517]

Ok. In addition to this football podcast, what are some others that folks enjoy?

I like the offerings by the Athletic.The pivot with Ryan Clark, Channing Crowder and Fred Taylor

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[polamalubeast]

T.J Watt is Next!

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

The pivot with Ryan Clark, Channing Crowder and Fred Taylor

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Yeah, The Pivot is good.

[86WARD]

T.J Watt is Next!

Nice! When is that one? Next week?

[polamalubeast]

Nice! When is that one? Next week?

Sunday night I think

[Born2Steel]

Just watched the Bill Cowher episode. That was a great one. Both of the coaches episodes are by far my favorites. So far...

[Orion]

Because you don't have a choice when it comes to being black, or gay. You do have a choice whether to believe a fairy tale or not.


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[Psycho Ward 86]

There's thousands of religions around the world and every one says they're right, who do we know which one's right or wrong? Somebody's gonna be disappointed. Somebody's wasting their fucking time. Could it be... EVERYONE? :chuckle: (another carlin reference sue me lol)

More Carlin makes the world a better place

[polamalubeast]

Big Ben & TJ Watt talk hardest hits, winning Super Bowls, family competition and more! Ep. 29

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSktWioOzOU&feature=youtu.be

[vader29]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VZOm3Z_gac

[86WARD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VZOm3Z_gac

Nice…he finally got him on!! I’m a few episodes behind. I love the podcast. He had some great stories with the second Charlie Batch show as well.

[Born2Steel]

I started over watching from episode1. Just finished the 2 with Hoge and then the no guest episode after the elk hunt. So far not a bad episode.

[86WARD]

I started over watching from episode1. Just finished the 2 with Hoge and then the no guest episode after the elk hunt. So far not a bad episode.

I haven’t been watching just listening. I should go back and watch…

[tube517]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VZOm3Z_gac

Bus goes in depth about the whole Rams fallout. Never knew the details.

[Hawkman]

“They didn’t call me the Bus because I was scared of eatin “:rofl2: he was eating the entire second half of the episode. The Bus looks in great shape! I was in Canton for his induction. Only sorry I couldn’t make it for Troy. Will make it for Ben’s. If you’ve never been……GO!! Check with me for places to stay.

[stillers4me]

Best clip ever :lol:

(99) If Big Ben never made “the tackle” - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0-0O-kUUvx4)

[86WARD]

Best clip ever :lol:

(99) If Big Ben never made “the tackle” - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0-0O-kUUvx4)

BEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!

[86WARD]

Finally listened to the whole episode…it was the funniest episode.

[T&B fan]

some real gems on Canada in the latest pod cast , @ the 32:40 mark . Ben said he did not work close with Canada . like he did with all the other OC

[86WARD]

some real gems on Canada in the latest pod cast , @ the 32:40 mark . Ben said he did not work close with Canada . like he did with all the other OC

I’ll listen to that one today.

[tube517]

some real gems on Canada in the latest pod cast , @ the 32:40 mark . Ben said he did not work close with Canada . like he did with all the other OC

Yep and it's all over the internet. He said Canada didn't work directly with Ben. It was through the QB coach, Sullivan, in Ben's last year.

My question is Haley and Ben. Didn't Ben work directly w/Fichtner? I dunno I'm just a dumb football fan.

Likely it's been the same w/Kenny. Hopefully Sully and Kenny eliminate all those dumb plays that the opposition knows easily.

[Hawkman]

I finally watched the entire “Tomlin” episode. Not really a Tomlinism the entire show. What I completely cracked up about was when Harrison ran back the TD and was lying on the ground in the endzone and Tomlin thought he was hurt, Harrison looked up and said, “I’m tired boss”.:rofl:

[pczach]

Yep and it's all over the internet. He said Canada didn't work directly with Ben. It was through the QB coach, Sullivan, in Ben's last year.

My question is Haley and Ben. Didn't Ben work directly w/Fichtner? I dunno I'm just a dumb football fan.

Likely it's been the same w/Kenny. Hopefully Sully and Kenny eliminate all those dumb plays that the opposition knows easily.

Ben worked directly with all the OC's except Canada. Almost all NFL quarterbacks that I know of have direct access to the OC. It's Canada's offense. He is the only that can explain his concepts and all the nuances and adjustment within the system properly and completely. Unless of course, he didn't have any. :lol:

Canada was a disaster. For a guy that never did it in the NFL before to just be a dictator, not take any input from coaches or players, while not even working with the quarterback is pure lunacy. How much of an arrogant ass do you have to be to continue to on like that as the offense kept getting worse and worse. He didn't even consider that he was part of the problem. We've seen guys like this before, and they always go down in flames.

That's just awful coaching. Whoever allowed the Canada situation to go on that long has to get some shade. We may never know how it all went down, but either Mr. Rooney wouldn't allow Tomlin to fire Canada sooner, or Mike Tomlin is the one that stuck with him way too long.

[Born2Steel]

I’ve heard Ben say he had his guys on the sidelines. Depending on who he wanted to talk to about whatever, he just went to them. Whether OC, other QBs, QB coaches, other players. He had his guys for specific conversations. I believe Ben was so far beyond Canada, he never missed him.

[86WARD]

Ben worked directly with all the OC's except Canada. Almost all NFL quarterbacks that I know of have direct access to the OC. It's Canada's offense. He is the only that can explain his concepts and all the nuances and adjustment within the system properly and completely. Unless of course, he didn't have any. :lol:

Canada was a disaster. For a guy that never did it in the NFL before to just be a dictator, not take any input from coaches or players, while not even working with the quarterback is pure lunacy. How much of an arrogant ass do you have to be to continue to on like that as the offense kept getting worse and worse. He didn't even consider that he was part of the problem. We've seen guys like this before, and they always go down in flames.

That's just awful coaching. Whoever allowed the Canada situation to go on that long has to get some shade. We may never know how it all went down, but either Mr. Rooney wouldn't allow Tomlin to fire Canada sooner, or Mike Tomlin is the one that stuck with him way too long.

That’s opposite of what Ben said. He said that the QB Coach is the in between for the QB and OC. If there’s a complaint about the QB, the OC tells the QBC and QBC tells the QB and vice versa.

[86WARD]

There was a lot of good material in that episode…

[T&B fan]

There was a lot of good material in that episode…

good gems . even throwing the Pats under the bus with the fire alarm in the hotels .

[86WARD]

good gems . even throwing the Pats under the bus with the fire alarm in the hotels .

Yeah that was funny.

His podcast is really entertaining.

[pczach]

That’s opposite of what Ben said. He said that the QB Coach is the in between for the QB and OC. If there’s a complaint about the QB, the OC tells the QBC and QBC tells the QB and vice versa.



Ben said he always worked directly with every OC except Matt Canada. Of course he always still worked with the QB coach, but there is always direct interaction with OC's.....not with Matt Canada.

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[86WARD]

Ben said he always worked directly with every OC except Matt Canada. Of course he always still worked with the QB coach, but there is always direct interaction with OC's.....not with Matt Canada.

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Ben has yes. I was saying Ben said more in general, most QBs go through the “proper channels”. Ben was different than the norm…

[DesertSteel]

I'm pretty sure that most franchise QBs work directly with the OC... a lot.

[bendsteel]

I find it funny that the "Fire Canada" Tour went to Pens games and other cities and sports altogether. Saw a fire canada sign at a soccer match somewhere. That man will NEVER see another job in the NFL....unless the Browns pick him up as HC. He is the definition of a "Laughing Stock".

[pczach]

Ben has yes. I was saying Ben said more in general, most QBs go through the “proper channels”. Ben was different than the norm…



Yes, every quarterback works directly with the quarterbacks coach, but most OC's have a much more direct, hands-on relationship with the QB. Canada didn't want any interaction between them. That's how Canada wanted to operate.

I'm saying that most OC's have more interaction with the QB than Canada did. You just don't hear of an OC that wants nothing to do with the QB running his offensive system. And of course the OC is also explaining to the QB coach how he wants things done as well. Then the QB and the QB coach are on the same page with what the OC wants done and how he wants a play run.

Canada didn't want to talk to the QB? No direct contact? WTF?

Can you imagine being Sullivan, being directed by Canada to tell Pickett to do things in a way that he knows is wrong? Having to tell the quarterback that Canada doesn't want you making that read on this play or limiting where you can throw the ball. We won't take that risk with that route here. We're going to give you half a field to read. If the first read isn't there, hit the check down. It's nonsense, and Sullivan probably knew it and so did Kenny.

Kenny must have been asking Sullivan if Canada was kidding with these lame restrictions. That has to be so frustrating having to play in that system with no input and limitations on what you could do, knowing it would fail.

[Mojouw]

Yes, every quarterback works directly with the quarterbacks coach, but most OC's have a much more direct, hands-on relationship with the QB. Canada didn't want any interaction between them. That's how Canada wanted to operate.

I'm saying that most OC's have more interaction with the QB than Canada did. You just don't hear of an OC that wants nothing to do with the QB running his offensive system. And of course the OC is also explaining to the QB coach how he wants things done as well. Then the QB and the QB coach are on the same page with what the OC wants done and how he wants a play run.

Canada didn't want to talk to the QB? No direct contact? WTF?

Can you imagine being Sullivan, being directed by Canada to tell Pickett to do things in a way that he knows is wrong? Having to tell the quarterback that Canada doesn't want you making that read on this play or limiting where you can throw the ball. We won't take that risk with that route here. We're going to give you half a field to read. If the first read isn't there, hit the check down. It's nonsense, and Sullivan probably knew it and so did Kenny.

Kenny must have been asking Sullivan if Canada was kidding with these lame restrictions. That has to be so frustrating having to play in that system with no input and limitations on what you could do, knowing it would fail.

You've been saying these things for some time now and I just wasn't able to believe it. It is now pretty clear that I was just off base with that reaction.

All I can figure is that Canada just wasn't able to get out a of a college mode. Where he felt the best path was to make it so simply that some 18 year old fresh out of high school football could come in and run the offense. I am struggling to come up with a rationale. But everyone has one. Even when people are doing a poor job, they have reasons and plans for why they are approaching things in a particular manner.

[pczach]

You've been saying these things for some time now and I just wasn't able to believe it. It is now pretty clear that I was just off base with that reaction.

All I can figure is that Canada just wasn't able to get out a of a college mode. Where he felt the best path was to make it so simply that some 18 year old fresh out of high school football could come in and run the offense. I am struggling to come up with a rationale. But everyone has one. Even when people are doing a poor job, they have reasons and plans for why they are approaching things in a particular manner.



A little bit of knowledge and experience helps me see some of this stuff. To the casual observer that doesn't recognize issues, everything looks like a normal NFL offense. I get it. There are experts that watch this stuff that still thought Pickett was the biggest problem. And don't get me wrong, like I told you in the game day thread.....This is only one game. Kenny Pickett has a lot more work to do. But anyone can see that he played the Bengals game with so much more freedom and confidence that everyone can see it. The way the entire field was used. At least he now has a chance to succeed.

You could see Kenny in preseason looking off safeties and his eyes going where they were supposed to go. Why did Pickett doing those things stop so suddenly? It seemed clear to me that he was being limited by his coaches. I didn't know who for sure. Tomlin must have had some input, but this was Canada's offense. So much of what was happening on the field didn't make sense. So many things just looked wrong and so much of it didn't work.

Now let's hope that we continue to see Pickett improve and we see the offense become a consistent threat and a unit that begins to score more points. If that happens and the defense gets as healthy as possible going into the home stretch, much more becomes possible for this team.

[86WARD]

Yes, every quarterback works directly with the quarterbacks coach, but most OC's have a much more direct, hands-on relationship with the QB. Canada didn't want any interaction between them. That's how Canada wanted to operate.

I'm saying that most OC's have more interaction with the QB than Canada did. You just don't hear of an OC that wants nothing to do with the QB running his offensive system. And of course the OC is also explaining to the QB coach how he wants things done as well. Then the QB and the QB coach are on the same page with what the OC wants done and how he wants a play run.

Canada didn't want to talk to the QB? No direct contact? WTF?

Can you imagine being Sullivan, being directed by Canada to tell Pickett to do things in a way that he knows is wrong? Having to tell the quarterback that Canada doesn't want you making that read on this play or limiting where you can throw the ball. We won't take that risk with that route here. We're going to give you half a field to read. If the first read isn't there, hit the check down. It's nonsense, and Sullivan probably knew it and so did Kenny.

Kenny must have been asking Sullivan if Canada was kidding with these lame restrictions. That has to be so frustrating having to play in that system with no input and limitations on what you could do, knowing it would fail.

Yes. Imageee with that. We are on the same page there.

It had to be hard on Sullivan. There’s only one reason why Kenny can do some things one way and the. Not be able to do it later…he’s being told/coached to do that. He was being coached to only look to one side or to only look at certain progression and get the ball out. Ben was doing the same thing…although Ben would go off script because he was only a hall of fame qb. Canada was stifling and I find it shocking that he was here for the amount of time he was. His offense started under Fichtner and that was a disaster from the get go.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

I'm pretty sure that most franchise QBs work directly with the OC... a lot.

Most QB's in general probably work with the OC a lot. The QB is the extension of the OC on the field IMO. So when a play goes bad or an offensive series goes bad, the OC doesnt goto the star receiver or veteran O lineman to talk it thru, so that he can relay the proper information to the rest of the offense.

If there wasnt great communication between Canada and his QB's, whether it be Ben, Trubisky or Pickett....that should have been a red flag.

[86WARD]

Most QB's in general probably work with the OC a lot. The QB is the extension of the OC on the field IMO. So when a play goes bad or an offensive series goes bad, the OC doesnt goto the star receiver or veteran O lineman to talk it thru, so that he can relay the proper information to the rest of the offense.

If there wasnt great communication between Canada and his QB's, whether it be Ben, Trubisky or Pickett....that should have been a red flag.

According to Ben, most QBs go through the QB Coach to the OC and vice versa.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

According to Ben, most QBs go through the QB Coach to the OC and vice versa.

I guess I should listen to his podcast to understand the point of reference.

At the highschool level and lower, every OC is communicating with his QB at install period and during the game, with regards to reads of the defense, fronts and counts, audibles and protection calls if that is on the QB. Film that I have seen at clinics of college coaches seems to follow the same protocol. If the Oc doesnt like the timing or needs to coach up a correction, I havent seen them talk to the QB coach, so that he can communicate to the QB.

[Steeler-in-west]

What does a QB coach do that’s different from the OC? Coach specific mechanics like throwing motion, footwork? Sounds like having a tutor for your math class. In that case maybe they’re more suitable for younger QB’s if anything rather than vets… Then there’s your assistant OC…

[Voice of Reason]

A little bit of knowledge and experience helps me see some of this stuff. To the casual observer that doesn't recognize issues, everything looks like a normal NFL offense. I get it. There are experts that watch this stuff that still thought Pickett was the biggest problem. And don't get me wrong, like I told you in the game day thread.....This is only one game. Kenny Pickett has a lot more work to do. But anyone can see that he played the Bengals game with so much more freedom and confidence that everyone can see it. The way the entire field was used. At least he now has a chance to succeed.

You could see Kenny in preseason looking off safeties and his eyes going where they were supposed to go. Why did Pickett doing those things stop so suddenly? It seemed clear to me that he was being limited by his coaches. I didn't know who for sure. Tomlin must have had some input, but this was Canada's offense. So much of what was happening on the field didn't make sense. So many things just looked wrong and so much of it didn't work.

Now let's hope that we continue to see Pickett improve and we see the offense become a consistent threat and a unit that begins to score more points. If that happens and the defense gets as healthy as possible going into the home stretch, much more becomes possible for this team.

So it wasn't just that Canada was calling bad plays, he was also telling Kenny not to read the defenses and just throw the pass that was called??? Wow.

All season I've wondered why Kenny's play looked so different from last year. Could this be the reason? I actually hope it is, because this has now been fixed.

[pczach]

So it wasn't just that Canada was calling bad plays, he was also telling Kenny not to read the defenses and just throw the pass that was called??? Wow.

All season I've wondered why Kenny's play looked so different from last year. Could this be the reason? I actually hope it is, because this has now been fixed.



I don't think anyone has come out and said it but if you put a bunch of things we know together, that's how it appears it was operating. It's pretty obvious when Tomlin was saying that audibles and checks weren't things that Kenny Pickett would be doing. That stuff would be coming from the sideline. You could also see that in preseason, Kenny was moving safeties with his eyes and throwing to the entire field. That all stopped once they got to the regular season. You could see that often times it looked like Pickett had one read or was only working one side of the field.

The other huge thing we learned is that Canada didn't want to talk to his quarterback directly. I've never heard of that before. There is so much that goes into building an offense and so much of the offense should include a huge amount of nuance and detail about things within each play. How much depth do you get here. If we get this look, we need to run this route this way by pressing closer to the hash. Things like that.

If Canada didn't have details like that built into this offense, it explains why so many of his plays have been so bad besides the fact that the design of much of it was flawed. It only makes everything harder.

If Canada did have details built into his offense but was never able to coach that to his quarterback or quarterback coach, then he can't coach...which seems to be obvious at this point.

If he did have useful information about his struggling offense and his struggling QB and he wasn't even willing to talk to him directly, that's just criminally stupid and irresponsible. Acting like a dictator is fine when everything is going great. When it's not, everything is on the person responsible for the offense. That was Canada.

You could see that now Canada is gone, the plays are coming in much more quickly. That means Pickett has much more time to call the play, look over the defense and process the information, and any checks and audibles have more time to get done without rushing the play and having the play clock count down to nothing so you are rushing the snap. That stuff is huge for a quarterback still learning.

No matter how you look at it, Canada was a disaster on multiple fronts.

[T&B fan]

any one know if Ben is doing any more of the pod cast ? I don't have X or Instagram to see if partner has posted any updates .

[tube517]

any one know if Ben is doing any more of the pod cast ? I don't have X or Instagram to see if partner has posted any updates .Is he doing it during the season only ? I haven't seen a new.one pop up yet

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[BlackAndGold]

Ben recently did an interview on Wednesday(wdve) and said he does not know if they will continue the podcast.

[T&B fan]

well that sucks . thanks for the info . if it changes let us know

[86WARD]

Ben recently did an interview on Wednesday(wdve) and said he does not know if they will continue the podcast.

That sucks. That podcast was good…

Cam’s may be done as well…unless it gets renewed.

[tube517]

That sucks. That podcast was good…

Cam’s may be done as well…unless it gets renewed.It does suck. Both were entertaining.

Mrs R probably got tired of that co host always in the house lol [emoji1][emoji1][emoji1]

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[86WARD]

It does suck. Both were entertaining.

Mrs R probably got tired of that co host always in the house lol [emoji1][emoji1][emoji1]

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I’m pretty sure Spence is still hanging around the house…lol.

[Steeler-in-west]

I would’ve liked to have seen Ben interview some of the past steeler QB’s;

Terry of course
Brister
Malone
O’Donnell (that would be interesting)
Kordell
Maddox

We can leave KP off the list lol

[86WARD]

I would’ve liked to have seen Ben interview some of the past steeler QB’s;

Terry of course
Brister
Malone
O’Donnell (that would be interesting)
Kordell
Maddox

We can leave KP off the list lol

I think Kenny was there already…if I remember correctly…

[tube517]

I would’ve liked to have seen Ben interview some of the past steeler QB’s;

Terry of course
Brister
Malone
O’Donnell (that would be interesting)
Kordell
Maddox

We can leave KP off the list lolWhere is Cliff Stoudt LMAO

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[Steeler-in-west]

Where is Cliff Stoudt LMAO

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glued to his cell phone, like Mike Tomzcak, waiting for a call from Ben

[Voice of Reason]

That sucks. That podcast was good…

Cam’s may be done as well…unless it gets renewed.

I don't know much about podcasts, so your "unless it gets renewed" comment puzzles me. Can anyone just start a podcast on the internet like they would start a website, or does a podcast need to be on some kind of network or platform that has the power to cancel it or renew it?

[86WARD]

Cam’s Podcast is back on! Started April 24.

[T&B fan]

Ben is back on the podcast . 1st one dropped a few days ago .

[tube517]

Ben is back on the podcast . 1st one dropped a few days ago .

Yep. They almost ended it but glad they are back.

[86WARD]

I just saw that it’s back on! Psyched for it.

[Bluecoat96]

What an amazing, powerful episode....and that was even before they got to the football part.

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[hawaiiansteeler]

Big Ben on Mr. Unlimited

Ben Roethlisberger’s “Footbahlin’” podcast is back. In the return episode, the retired Steelers quarterback took a little jab at the Denver Broncos for letting Russell Wilson jump to the Steelers while remaining on the Denver books.

“Thank you, Denver, for paying,” Roethlisberger said (at the 56:49 mark of the show). “Denver paid Russ like $38 million to go away. Which is OK. (A) nine-time Pro Bowler, Super Bowl (winner). And we’re like, ‘OK, we’ll take him. Thank you.’”

Roethlisberger also got into the dynamic of how things may go down between Wilson and Justin Fields at the QB position as 2024 moves along.

“The fan base right now is, I don’t know if it’s split, but there’s definitely some Fields guys,” Roethlisberger said. “He’s strong. He’s big. He’s fast. He can run. He can make throws on the run. Russ can definitely do some of that moving and create with his legs. No doubt about it. But he’s going to sit in the pocket because that’s just what he does a little more. He’s a big play-action pass guy. … So you have some fans that want Justin. They want that elusive ‘Let’s run it.’ And then you’ve got the guy who’s probably going to start and throw. My concern is, if Russ struggles, that Justin fan base is going to start to kind of grow.”

That’ll be on Tomlin to manage, especially since, as Roethlisberger pointed out, Tomlin probably sold Wilson on coming to Pittsburgh with everything just short of a guarantee that he would be the starter.

“I think it was always Russ’ job,” Roethlisberger said. “I know that Coach T talked about a competition. It was probably, like, ‘All right, Russ. There’s a 75% chance you’re getting the job. Even if Justin plays really well.’ At 75(%), it could have gotten back to (a) level playing ground. But I think it was always going to be (Wilson’s job).”

https://triblive.com/sports/first-call-brandon-aiyuks-admission-about-his-negotiations-ben-roethlisberger-thanks-denver-for-russell-wilson/

[hawaiiansteeler]

Big Ben, Will Howard & Jack Sawyer talk becoming a Steeler, National Championship and more! Ep. 83


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKtcXoUC6VE

[Born2Steel]

Big Ben, Will Howard & Jack Sawyer talk becoming a Steeler, National Championship and more! Ep. 83


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKtcXoUC6VE
I watched this one last night. It was a fun episode.