Devin Bush Watch

[Born2Steel]

I thought there was already a thread dedicated to Devin Bush but I couldn't find it.

With the current depth at ILB this team NEEDS Devin Bush to step up his game this season. Rather than making this a "Devin Bush Sucks" thread or just a bash the player thread, I was hoping to get some real discussion about his on the field play. What were some good plays and why, what were some bad plays and why. Is he trending toward improving over last season overall, or not? I don't think there is much chance Bush gets cut from the 53, but these next 2 preseason games could decide if he keeps his starter role or not.

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[polamalubeast]

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[Steelerette]

Bush was looking extremely promising before his injury. Enough so that I didn't even mind the draft trade-up. I didn't want to draft Devin Bush - and I strongly preferred Devin White. But Bush was well on his way to proving me wrong.

Then the injury occurred and I truly believe that last season he wasn't mentally recovered. This season will show once and for all... whether he ever can.

[Born2Steel]

Bush was looking extremely promising before his injury. Enough so that I didn't even mind the draft trade-up. I didn't want to draft Devin Bush - and I strongly preferred Devin White. But Bush was well on his way to proving me wrong.

Then the injury occurred and I truly believe that last season he wasn't mentally recovered. This season will show once and for all... whether he ever can.

This is exactly what I am hoping for. That the injury recovery, both physically and mentally, is behind him now and he will progress back to the level of play before the injury.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvBsr4jl_Ss

[86WARD]

Bush was looking extremely promising before his injury. Enough so that I didn't even mind the draft trade-up. I didn't want to draft Devin Bush - and I strongly preferred Devin White. But Bush was well on his way to proving me wrong.

Then the injury occurred and I truly believe that last season he wasn't mentally recovered. This season will show once and for all... whether he ever can.

If the first preseason is any sign, he’s not recovered.

[DesertSteel]

Step up as in make a hit? Tackle someone? Defend a pass?

I’m waiting…….

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I iso’d his every snap last week and it was deplorable. He decelerated or took a bad angle to remove himself out of every play he could have made.

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He’s a man that doesn’t want to play a violent collision sport. Period.

[DuckHodges]

maybe he lost his power after shaving off his penis ponytail, like samson and delilah

[Born2Steel]

Step up as in make a hit? Tackle someone? Defend a pass?

I’m waiting…….

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I iso’d his every snap last week and it was deplorable. He decelerated or took a bad angle to remove himself out of every play he could have made.

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He’s a man that doesn’t want to play a violent collision sport. Period.

It would be awesome if we could all watch film in this thread of him iso'd on each of his snaps. That would add so much context to this conversation.

[Born2Steel]

I do not know how many snaps Bush played vs the Jags but the plays I did see him he looked better. Played aggressive and was in on several tackles. I also saw him take some coverages that didn't look to be his primary assignment yet he adjusted.

On the negative , I also saw him get caught in some trail situations where he shoulda/coulda maybe got to the ball carrier faster with a bit more effort.

[DesertSteel]

The TE blew him up on one play so bad it looked like a man on a boy. He had 2-3 snaps where he looked decent. Still not enough.

[pepsyman1]

Doesn't look any different to me than he did all last season. Usually looks like he intentionally takes bad angles and moves slowly toward the play so he doesn't have to deal with much contact until the ball carrier has at least been slowed down. Most of the time it looks like he's actively trying to avoid contact. I'd blow him out now...that's something in his head at this point and it won't get fixed this year.

[lipps83]

They should have probably gotten him to a sports psychologist last year when it really started to become apparent it is more a mental deterioration impacting his play rather than a physical one.

It seems pretty obvious that he is afraid of getting hurt.

[Hawkman]

They should have probably gotten him to a sports psychologist last year when it really started to become apparent it is more a mental deterioration impacting his play rather than a physical one.

It seems pretty obvious that he is afraid of getting hurt.

Is there anything to say that they didn’t get him to a sports psychologist.

[pepsyman1]

Is there anything to say that they didn’t get him to a sports psychologist.

If they did they need to get a refund. lol

[tube517]

Bush didn't practice today with an ankle injury.

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[steelcityboyz]

I say give him the benefit of the doubt. give him 6 games if he doesn't show up and play like he's capable of, then sit his ass.

[pepsyman1]

I say give him the benefit of the doubt. give him 6 games if he doesn't show up and play like he's capable of, then sit his ass.


Six? I'd give him 2. If I don't see anything by then I'd just let Spillane start. He's a liability in coverage, but no worse at this point than Bush and at least I know Spillane will put in the effort.

[teegre]

Here is a positive about Bush:

He looks less confused than Kendric Green.

[Dwinsgames]

Six? I'd give him 2. If I don't see anything by then I'd just let Spillane start. He's a liability in coverage, but no worse at this point than Bush and at least I know Spillane will put in the effort.

not sure if you have been able to watch any preseason football but Spillane looks vastly improved in coverage ... not he isnt an all pro but he is significantly better than Bush at every aspect of football , quite frankly other than Draft cost that is the only reason there is a competition in my eyes because Spillane is the better player right now and likely forever as their arrows are pointed in opposite directions

[86WARD]

not sure if you have been able to watch any preseason football but Spillane looks vastly improved in coverage ... not he isnt an all pro but he is significantly better than Bush at every aspect of football , quite frankly other than Draft cost that is the only reason there is a competition in my eyes because Spillane is the better player right now and likely forever as their arrows are pointed in opposite directions

I’ve noticed Spillane keeping up in coverage but the other thing I noticed is, although he is “there”, he’s sometimes not in position to actually make the play but he’s there to make the tackle instantly. Which is an improvement.

[Dwinsgames]

I’ve noticed Spillane keeping up in coverage but the other thing I noticed is, although he is “there”, he’s sometimes not in position to actually make the play but he’s there to make the tackle instantly. Which is an improvement.

I'll take that over still being 5 yards from the LOS (on an 8 yard pattern) and not yet turning my hips to head the right direction to attempt to cover

[86WARD]

I'll take that over still being 5 yards from the LOS (on an 8 yard pattern) and not yet turning my hips to head the right direction to attempt to cover

Same!!

[DesertSteel]

Here is a positive about Bush:

He looks less confused than Kendric Green.
Here's another one: he's in the last year of his contract.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Did anybody notice that Myles Jack led the Steelers in tackles last night with 12 and Devin Bush was second with 11 tackles?

I doubt it. Well maybe Flores and Tomlin saw it. :noidea:

[DesertSteel]

Did anybody notice that Myles Jack led the Steelers in tackles last night with 12 and Devin Bush was second with 11 tackles?

I doubt it. Well maybe Flores and Tomlin saw it. :noidea:
But did any of the 11 have splash??

[Lloydwoodsonjr]

Here's another one: he's in the last year of his contract.

Yep haha. Just sign Bush to one year deals every year to keep him motivated.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

But did any of the 11 have splash??

There was one where he tackled Kareem Hunt short of the goal line and somewhat body slammed him. I guess if he only had 4 tackles instead of 11, it would make Edmunds totals higher and the score even more splashy for the Browns.

The hate is always 10 times worse than the praise.

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/pittsburgh-steelers-linebacker-devin-bush-tackles-cleveland-browns-picture-id1243439852

[Mojouw]

Both Bush and Jack had really high run totals. Many were 4-5 yards downfield.
Bush met Hunt at the goal-line and turned him back. I think the Browns scored the next play.

Does Bush look like a $10+ million dollar a year LB? If yes, then the Steelers were wrong in declining his 5th year option and most fans were far off target in their evaluation of Bush. If no, then the Steelers were correct to decline the option year and some fans were in the neighborhood of spot on in their evaluation.

For me, Bush looks like a high end of average ILB right now. Physical traits to be more, but not sure it ever comes together for him. He still seems to struggle at times in coverage and doesn't make plays in the backfield. If he hadn't been drafted so high (not his fault) he would likely annoy less folks. I think he ends up like Edmunds. Comes back at less than the option tag price.

[86WARD]

Did anybody notice that Myles Jack led the Steelers in tackles last night with 12 and Devin Bush was second with 11 tackles?

I doubt it. Well maybe Flores and Tomlin saw it. :noidea:

I did. I mentioned it in the game day thread. Malik Reed and Highsmith played pretty well.

[DesertSteel]

Bush looks like someone who shouldn't be cut. That's an enormous improvement and should be recognized.

[pepsyman1]

Both Bush and Jack had really high run totals. Many were 4-5 yards downfield.
Bush met Hunt at the goal-line and turned him back. I think the Browns scored the next play.

Does Bush look like a $10+ million dollar a year LB? If yes, then the Steelers were wrong in declining his 5th year option and most fans were far off target in their evaluation of Bush. If no, then the Steelers were correct to decline the option year and some fans were in the neighborhood of spot on in their evaluation.

For me, Bush looks like a high end of average ILB right now. Physical traits to be more, but not sure it ever comes together for him. He still seems to struggle at times in coverage and doesn't make plays in the backfield. If he hadn't been drafted so high (not his fault) he would likely annoy less folks. I think he ends up like Edmunds. Comes back at less than the option tag price.

The tackle at the goal line really surprised me because he looked MUCH more aggressive on that tackle...I did see another play that he looked really good in coverage practically draped on somebody (can't remember the receiver) but MOST of the plays he looked like he was getting pushed around. I don't see anything about him that really distinguishes him as a high caliber linebacker.

[Steeler-in-west]

Bush is fine but he and Jack are really macks. Would like to see the Steelers get a true run stuffer (like VW).

[BlackAndGold]

Bush is fine but he and Jack are really macks. Would like to see the Steelers get a true run stuffer (like VW).

Mark Robinson could be that guy. I bet we see him later in the season.

[Born2Steel]

Devin Bush and Myles Jack are 2 ILBs that can play any LB role. The fact that they had 20-25 tackles between them and lead the defense in tackles shows that. There are some RBs in this league that when they hit the 2nd/3rd level they are very difficult to bring down. I would ask you to go back and look at the game film. Bush and Jack did a very good job at that difficult task vs the Browns. I did not say they were excellent or perfect working together just yet, but they did very well.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Bush is fine but he and Jack are really macks. Would like to see the Steelers get a true run stuffer (like VW).

Bigger ILB's that are deemed "run stuffers" are often called 2-Down Linebackers. That is because they lack the athleticism to cover athletic TE's or faster RB's in passing downs.

Those ILB's are becoming obsolete because most NFL teams are running offenses with enough athletes at the TE and RB spot to throw on early downs and pick on the bigger, slower ILB's in pass coverage.

The Run Stuffing ILB is becoming as common as the FB in the NFL today.

[Steeler-in-west]

Mark Robinson could be that guy. I bet we see him later in the season.

I hope so

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Devin Bush and Myles Jack are 2 ILBs that can play any LB role. The fact that they had 20-25 tackles between them and lead the defense in tackles shows that. There are some RBs in this league that when they hit the 2nd/3rd level they are very difficult to bring down. I would ask you to go back and look at the game film. Bush and Jack did a very good job at that difficult task vs the Browns. I did not say they were excellent or perfect working together just yet, but they did very well.

I’ll check again. But how many of those tackles were at the point of attack, near the line of scrimmage? Or were a lot of them in the backfield chasing down a RB or receiver? Chubb did have a big day did he not?

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Bigger ILB's that are deemed "run stuffers" are often called 2-Down Linebackers. That is because they lack the athleticism to cover athletic TE's or faster RB's in passing downs.

Those ILB's are becoming obsolete because most NFL teams are running offenses with enough athletes at the TE and RB spot to throw on early downs and pick on the bigger, slower ILB's in pass coverage.

The Run Stuffing ILB is becoming as common as the FB in the NFL today.

how do we improve our run defense then? Seems we have to get an ILB who’s main task is to stop the run. Maybe get someone who also has some coverage capabilities for a RB or TE, can’t be that hard to find

[Dwinsgames]

Maybe get someone who also has some coverage capabilities for a RB or TE, can’t be that hard to find

they are exceedingly hard to find , linebackers are normally 1 of two types undersized lineman who stuff the run or big safeties who can run and cover ...

those few that are able to do both are hard to come by and there are never enough to go around hence why the Steelers moved up in rd 1 a few years back and took Bush to replace the guy they took in the 1st round (Shazier) who broke his back .... Jack was a "top 10 prospect" who had rumored bad knees and (had season ending knee injury for the bruins prior to the draft ) would be lucky to last 5 years in the league and that is why he dropped to the second round

[Born2Steel]

I hope so

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how many of those tackles were at the point of attack, near the line of scrimmage? Or were a lot of them in the backfield chasing down a RB or receiver?

Maybe I'm not understanding the question exactly. The job of the defense is to stop the offense from advancing the ball. It is typically looked at as 3 levels of defense. There were tackles made at all 3 levels and there always will be.

....https://www.espn.com/nfl/playbyplay/_/gameId/401437735
Use this link and you can see the play-by-play

Bush and Jack both played well in this game. If you are looking for some perfect thing where the Steelers give up zero yards, it doesn't exist.

[Steeler-in-west]

Maybe I'm not understanding the question exactly. The job of the defense is to stop the offense from advancing the ball. It is typically looked at as 3 levels of defense. There were tackles made at all 3 levels and there always will be.

....https://www.espn.com/nfl/playbyplay/_/gameId/401437735
Use this link and you can see the play-by-play

Bush and Jack both played well in this game. If you are looking for some perfect thing where the Steelers give up zero yards, it doesn't exist.

I’m just wondering where those tackles were made. How far off the line of scrimmage? If most were made around 5 or 6 yards from the line of scrimmage or more then we may have a problem. I guess watching replay is warranted. I like that Bush seemed more engaged this game.

Chubb getting his hundred plus yards bothers me.

[Born2Steel]

I’m just wondering where those tackles were made. How far off the line of scrimmage? If most were made around 5 or 6 yards from the line of scrimmage or more then we may have a problem. I guess watching replay is warranted. I like that Bush seemed more engaged this game.

Chubb getting his hundred plus yards bothers me.

If you go look at the play-by-play you will see that the 3rd quarter was where the Browns were able to make their move offensively. The numbers look worse than what actually happened during the flow of the game. For the most part. Talking about defensively.

Down 9 with about a minute and a half was the reality of this game. Kicking the FG and the fumble/TD at the end were window dressing. IF Boz hits that 1st half FG that went right, and the score is 23-20 in the 4th, that FG ties us up and probably another OT. BUT, that didn't happen and the rest did, so we lose by a final 12pts. The defense kept us in this game. Again. And Bush/Jack led the defense this week.

[EzraTank]

He's played better this year but Roquan Smith will be a UFA next year and we didn't pick up Bush's contract. I would love to replace him with Smith.

[Edman]

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I think the Steelers coaches pretty much saw enough of the guy.

It looked alright at first and Bush held on as much as he could, but The first Ravens game finally done him in. He's just not that good. Bust.

[polamalubeast]

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[steelcityboyz]

I'm ok if i never see him play another game, Dudes a liability on defense. It's just a shame what we gave up for a bust.

[polamalubeast]

Losing Shazier still hurt the steelers.....

[steelcityboyz]

Absolutley. Shazier was a baller.

[polamalubeast]

Absolutley. Shazier was a baller.

And the bigger the game was,the better he was!

[steelcityboyz]

And the bigger the game was,the better he was!Not to compare Bush with Shazier because there is no comparison, when we drafted Bush I had high hopes that he would fit right in and the defense wouldn't miss a beat. Boy, what trash he turned out to be. :thumbdown:

[86WARD]

Not to compare Bush with Shazier because there is no comparison, when we drafted Bush I had high hopes that he would fit right in and the defense wouldn't miss a beat. Boy, what trash he turned out to be. :thumbdown:

He was great up until that injury…

[DuckHodges]

He was great up until that injury…

he was good until he shaved off that ponytail that looked like a flopping dong. it looked stupid but he was a beast. Maybe when he cut it off he lost his manhood like samson after getting a haircut :chuckle:

[BlackAndGold]

Mark Robinson could be that guy. I bet we see him later in the season.

Do I give myself a pat on the back?

[teegre]

I'm ok if i never see him play another game, Dudes a liability on defense. It's just a shame what we gave up for a bust.

I thought they were going to draft AJ Brown. ESPN, NFL Network, and PFF thought they were going to draft AJ Brown. Heck, AJ Brown thought they were going to draft AJ Brown.

Instead, they trade up for The Cat Killer… and then had to settle for Diontae “Jim Marshall” Johnson.

[Born2Steel]

Just for a simple comparison, Tremaine Edmunds has a market value in FA around $11M/yr. Devon Bush is around $3M. That's a really big difference.

[teegre]

Devon Bush is around $3M. That's a really big difference.

$1 million per tackle

[86WARD]

Just for a simple comparison, Tremaine Edmunds has a market value in FA around $11M/yr. Devon Bush is around $3M. That's a really big difference.

You get what you pay for. The $8M difference is worth it…

[DuckHodges]

Just for a simple comparison, Tremaine Edmunds has a market value in FA around $11M/yr. Devon Bush is around $3M. That's a really big difference.

Probably worth it. MLB is probably one of our biggest weaknesses on the team, this would definitely help. Besides, Tremaine is still pretty young, maybe he can be our next Farrior

[teegre]

Looking at other ILBs’ salaries, and $11 million is about right for Tremaine.

Get it done, Omar.

[Mojouw]

Are we sure that Buffalo is going to even let him get to FA?

I haven't heard that they are unable to afford him.

Another ILB that COULD get to FA but I am not certain he will is Germaine Pratt.

Heck, if they both make it to the market...sign them both!

[teegre]

Bush is getting salty… saying he wants to play for a coach who played in the NFL. :jerkit:

[DuckHodges]

Bush is getting salty… saying he wants to play for a coach who played in the NFL. :jerkit:

He can go play for Jeff Saturday :chuckle:

[teegre]

He can go play for Jeff Saturday :chuckle:

Bwahahaha :applaudit: Post of the day!!!

[polamalubeast]

Bush is getting salty… saying he wants to play for a coach who played in the NFL. :jerkit:

Jaguars?

[Crossdog]

He can go play for Jeff Saturday :chuckle:

Haha yep, heck he should go back to playing ON Saturday

[DesertSteel]

He'll be washed out of the league after a year with some team that thought they could salvage something. He has no heart for tackle football. He may not even make it through a preseason with a new team before he's cut. He was all about the money.

[teegre]

Are we sure that Buffalo is going to even let him get to FA?

I haven't heard that they are unable to afford him.

Another ILB that COULD get to FA but I am not certain he will is Germaine Pratt.

Heck, if they both make it to the market...sign them both!

The radio guys were saying he’s not likely to be brought back, but he absolutely could. It’s the power of positive thinking. :wink02:

Indeed… with our starting QB only being paid $2 million per season, the time is NOW to acquire free agents.

[EzraTank]

Damn, Roquan Smith signed a 5 year extension with the Ravens. He's who I wanted, he was everything Bush was supposed to be. A missile from side to side that seeks the ball out.

[Steeler-in-west]

Thought Flores could get him back to his rookie form at least,

soft in the head that’s all it seems

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