Worst offensive line in the NFL?

[polamalubeast]

This is according to Mike Clay of ESPN

https://www.steelernation.com/steelers-offensive-line-worst-in-nfl/

Do you think that this offensive line is this bad?

[Fire Goodell]

https://youtu.be/0eCM38omTGU

[Dwinsgames]

after 1 preseason game I think its pretty silly to even contemplate such an article let alone publish it ............

40% of the line is new to the team and potentially 60% is either new or playing a different spot from last year and if there is any part of a team that needs time to sort things out its the O-Line ,,, wanna hit me with this kind of article it shouldn't happen until after week 5 or 6 IMO because thats about how long it will take to have a clear picture let alone any picture of 32 teams no way in hell this guy has witnessed enough of 32 teams line play to draw any REAL conclusions ..

CLICK BAIT

[polamalubeast]

after 1 preseason game I think its pretty silly to even contemplate such an article let alone publish it ............

40% of the line is new to the team and potentially 60% is either new or playing a different spot from last year and if there is any part of a team that needs time to sort things out its the O-Line ,,, wanna hit me with this kind of article it shouldn't happen until after week 5 or 6 IMO because thats about how long it will take to have a clear picture let alone any picture of 32 teams no way in hell this guy has witnessed enough of 32 teams line play to draw any REAL conclusions ..

CLICK BAIT

This is not a click bait by him or by me.....This is just a projection by him at every position in the league and this is his rankings

https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/insider/story/_/id/34385106/nfl-position-group-rankings-2022-best-worst-units-all-32-teams-including-quarterback-wide-receiver-edge-rusher

And to me, it just surprised me that even though it's a huge question mark our o-line was rated the worst in the league by someone, so I wonder if this o-line could be this bad?

Maybe my title of this thread was not correct too?

[Mojouw]

Multiple offensive line rankings have the Steelers as one of the bottom 5 or bottom OL unit in the league.

And until they're able prove otherwise, that's legitimate.

There's severe questions about each projected starter.

Moore may not be good enough to handle top flight pass rushers.

Dotson may be being passed by Green for tye LG job. Green may have tripped and fsllen to the ground while I typed this.

Cole projects as only kinda mediocre if everything goes right. That's so much better than Green or Hassenhauer, Cole may make the Ring of Honor.

Daniels looked absolutely awful in his lone preseason action. I've read multiple reports that his Steelers performance is the culmination of a regression and physical decline since he entered the NFL. The Bears have both cap space AND.a terrible OL yet they let Daniels go without a fight.

Chicks...we all know the issues and questions there.

Move to the backups and it gets more severe.

I'll be painted as a a negative doomsayer or whatever, but the article may be designed as clickbait but it'd far from the only one and far from unfounded.

The 2022 Steelers offensive line could be about average, or tyey coupd be worse thsnntge 2021 version. We just don't know.

[86WARD]

Based on their previous body of work it’s one of the worst. They didn’t look to be one of the worst last week in the first preseason game…but that’s what it was…the first preseason game. We won’t know if they are the worst until there’s a nice sample size and better body of work.

[Born2Steel]

Give me 6 weeks of games first. THEN I will rank our OL's performance. It's just too early.

Dotson already has an ankle sprain in TC, after dealing with the high ankle sprain last season. Green is starting ahead of him at LG right now because of that.

Moore and Chuks are not great OTs at this point in their careers. Hopefully they are improving though.

Who is the Center?

Why bother ranking this group until we have some bit of evidence on tape?

[polamalubeast]

James Daniels is a huge concern right now

[Mojouw]

James Daniels is a huge concern right now

He certainly does not look like what was promised. He's performing like the worst OL not the best.

I'm actually higher on the OL than my first post in this thread indicated.

But I also honestly acknowledge the reasonable potential that this unit is just terrible.

We're gonna find out in about a month.

[polamalubeast]

He certainly does not look like what was promised. He's performing like the worst OL not the best.

I'm actually higher on the OL than my first post in this thread indicated.

But I also honestly acknowledge the reasonable potential that this unit is just terrible.

We're gonna find out in about a month.

Tonight will be a good challenge for the o-line.The Jags have their first overall pick at this position(d-line) and also the other Josh Allen!

Preseason always matter for the o-line if you want your QBs to stay healthy!

[ETL]

I guess not having any first rounders on the line makes it so

[86WARD]

He certainly does not look like what was promised. He's performing like the worst OL not the best.

I'm actually higher on the OL than my first post in this thread indicated.

But I also honestly acknowledge the reasonable potential that this unit is just terrible.

We're gonna find out in about a month.

I’m definitely lower then my optimistic comment above. I don’t think they did enough to improve vastly over last season and we all know they were horrendous last season. I don’t think they even improved enough to be middle of the pack…but maybe they did. Last week was encouraging…but then it was the Seahawks…

[Mojouw]

I’m definitely lower then my optimistic comment above. I don’t think they did enough to improve vastly over last season and we all know they were horrendous last season. I don’t think they even improved enough to be middle of the pack…but maybe they did. Last week was encouraging…but then it was the Seahawks…

Agreed.

I think that Cole can simultaneously be very mediocre and a massive improvement on Green.

Moore and Chuks should just get better by being another year older - they're both young enough for that to be true.

Daniels is supposed to be a top flight guard. Even if he's somehow already tsiling off, he's gotta be better than what Turner had left.

That's "improvement" across the board.

I can talk myself into things coming together and being significantly improved. I can also talk myself into it being even worse.

Gonna be a wild ride!

[Steelerette]

Klemm's departure is addition by subtraction I suspect. The O-line looked better after he departed. Even Hassenauer looked passable the last couple games. Moore and Chuks will be more mature yes, but I think new coaching could be an X-factor here.

[Mojouw]

Klemm's departure is addition by subtraction I suspect. The O-line looked better after he departed. Even Hassenauer looked passable the last couple games. Moore and Chuks will be more mature yes, but I think new coaching could be an X-factor here.

True.

But, again, there is a clear path to both pessimism and optimism with Meyers. Sure, he's not Klemm -- so that's great. But the Chargers and the Panthers were not exactly known for their dominant offensive lines.

Steelers 2021 for reference: 29th in rush yards and 29th in yards per attempt. 38 sacks on 5.5% of passing attempts.

2021 Panthers: 20th in rushing yards and 23rd in yards per rushing attempt. 52 sacks on 8% of passing attempts.
2020 Panthers: 21st in rushing yards and 22nd in yards per rushing attempt. 36 sacks on 6% of passing attempts.

2017 and 2019 Chargers - both losing teams in the twilight of Rivers career and both lower 20's in total rushing yards and yards per rush. Moderate # of sacks on 6+% of dropbacks.

The one good year of running an offensive line was Rivers last winning season with the Chargers -- 2018: 15th in rushing yards and 7th in yards per attempt. 32 sacks on 6% of dropbacks.

I have not looked at the starting OL for those units or considered any other context or potential explanations. I just looked at what his units helped produce. And, honestly, it isn't much.

Based on past units under Meyer's direction, look for about the same rate of sacks as last season and a slight uptick in overall run game effectiveness. But I am not expecting a great improvement.

Who knows really, though? Meyer could have the right approach melded to the right starting 5 with enough help from the overall scheme to carve out something really effective...

[Born2Steel]

The coaching IS important but you must also have the personnel. At this point in this season/preseason, both are very much questionable. I am optimistic this unit will be better than last season's. How much better or if they will actually be better still remains to be seen. Let's see how many hits our QBs take tonight. You know the Jags defense is going to be coming. I expect to see a lot of blitzes.

[polamalubeast]

Clay is right...embarrassing....

[86WARD]

I take back anything I said that may have been positive…they are downright terrible.

[polamalubeast]

I think the jaguars pass rush have the potentiel to be great but c'mon!

The jags should have 4 sack right now

[polamalubeast]

Time to panic with Daniels....

[86WARD]

By far the worst…

[polamalubeast]

While the o-line is terrible, it's impossible to evaluate our QBs

It's a disgrace

[polamalubeast]

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They deserve to play the entire second half of a preseason game...same for next unless they are better....I hope that Khan can put a unexpected miracle to save this o-line!

[86WARD]

There’s literally nothing good about the O-Line other than Tomlin recognizing that they aren’t good…that’s at least a start…

[DuckHodges]

Jaguars DL is no joke though

[86WARD]

Jaguars DL is no joke though

They should be able to handle the second and third stringers…being a “starting” O-Line…

[Mojouw]

So that's a "Yes" on worst online? Although the Bears might have something to say there...

[BlackAndGold]

This isn't surprising at all. What did they do to improve the line?

[HollywoodSteel]

This isn't surprising at all. What did they do to improve the line?

Got a couple mobile QBs?

[Steelerette]

Worse than I was expecting, and I wasn't expecting much.

[Born2Steel]

Yeesh! Maybe worst Steelers OL yet.

[Edman]

The Offensive Line looked marginally better with Pickett under center than with Mitch, so I'm not buying this yet. Either they don't have confidence that they can block for Mitch, or they are that poor.

Also the garbage referees didn't help either. Offsides and Offensive Holding on the same play? Yeah, screw that.

[teegre]

I was wrong about James Daniels. I thought that he would be our best O-lineman… and he’s looked less-than-stellar.

Cole has played better at center than I had hoped… and I was only hoping that he’d be better than Green (which he definitely is).

[BlackAndGold]

I was wrong about James Daniels. I thought that he would be our best O-lineman… and he’s looked less-than-stellar.

Cole has played better at center than I had hoped… and I was only hoping that he’d be better than Green (which he definitely is).

As a Chicago Bulls fan, I've had discussions with Bears fans and they all warned me not to buy in the offseason "hype" of Daniels. They let him go for a reason despite having a bad line. Looks like they be right.

Agreed with Cole. He won't be looked at as a Pro Bowler but he'll be solid. Which tbh is what we've had at the spot the last couple of years, well besides last season with KG.

[polamalubeast]

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[polamalubeast]

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He is right!

[polamalubeast]

Sometimes it's a huge difference between watching the game and only watching the stats and not the game.

The Jags only had one sack yesterday on defense but it was still a clinic by their D-line!

[86WARD]

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He is right!

That’s so true. [emoji38]

Thanks for posting that Pickett Film Breakdown.

[Born2Steel]

Thinking back to when our interior OL was prime Pouncey with Foster and DeCastro on either side. I miss that.

[86WARD]

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[polamalubeast]

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[DuckHodges]

rollerskates green

[polamalubeast]

Better player...Green or Jonathan Scott?

[86WARD]

Better player...Green or Jonathan Scott?

Easily Scott. Green is soooooooo bad.

[Steelerette]

Move Daniels to LG, have Cole and Dotson compete for RG, and try out Hassenauer at Center. See if Banner wants to come back on a cheaper deal to be a backup swing tackle. Sign Eric Fisher. Free Tibet. Remember the Alamo.

[Born2Steel]

That wasn't rollerskates. That was just flat footed poor technique and effort. Looks like he anticipates an outside move and angles that way. The defender just ran past him on the inside instead. Maybe had he taken a step back to set himself he would have been in better shape? Looks like his assignment there was fairly obvious.

Once again KP takes a hit.

[polamalubeast]

The worst Steelers o-line I've seen was the first half of the season in 2013 when the Steelers gave like 30 sacks in the first 8 games despite being in a quick passing offense with Todd Haley....They gave only 9 sacks after that when they changed OL coach during the season, since our o-line coach was possibly the worst coach ever!

But my point is I just hope it will not be bad at this level....The Steelers need to look at the players who are going to be available either in the trade block or through the cut but is it is realistic to find good player at this time?...I'm not sure

[86WARD]

Green is really disgracing that number 53. There’s really nothing positive about him...

[86WARD]

The worst Steelers o-line I've seen was the first half of the season in 2013 when the Steelers gave like 30 sacks in the first 8 games despite being in a quick passing offense with Todd Haley....They gave only 9 sacks after that when they changed OL coach during the season, since our o-line coach was possibly the worst coach ever!

But my point is I just hope it will not be bad at this level....The Steelers need to look at the players who are going to be available either in the trade block or through the cut but is it is realistic to find good player at this time?...I'm not sure

If they want to pay draft capital to get some decent O-Line play, they could do that. KC comes to mind. They don’t do that though. I suspect they may watch the waiver wire but other than that and maybe a free agent signing...it’s gonna be bad...

[polamalubeast]

If they want to pay draft capital to get some decent O-Line play, they could do that. KC comes to mind. They don’t do that though. I suspect they may watch the waiver wire but other than that and maybe a free agent signing...it’s gonna be bad...

They need to be lucky!

[Steelerette]

If they want to pay draft capital to get some decent O-Line play, they could do that. KC comes to mind. They don’t do that though. I suspect they may watch the waiver wire but other than that and maybe a free agent signing...it’s gonna be bad...
Much the same as the "trade for Roquan" logic - if they want to trade right now for OL guys, even ones that will be pricey, this is the one year the Steelers can afford to do it. Bush has been looking serviceable so I won't really complain if we trade for a premium OL piece right now. The trouble is, I don't think there are any out there for the getting.

[Born2Steel]

What's the issue(s) with Billy Price? Wasn't he a hyped Center in the draft? Injuries? Bad play? Combo?

[86WARD]

Much the same as the "trade for Roquan" logic - if they want to trade right now for OL guys, even ones that will be pricey, this is the one year the Steelers can afford to do it. Bush has been looking serviceable so I won't really complain if we trade for a premium OL piece right now. The trouble is, I don't think there are any out there for the getting.

I would gladly give up two years worth of first round picks for two talented veteran offensive linemen. No brainer.

[GBMelBlount]

Move Daniels to LG, have Cole and Dotson compete for RG, and try out Hassenauer at Center. See if Banner wants to come back on a cheaper deal to be a backup swing tackle. Sign Eric Fisher. Free Tibet. Remember the Alamo.

Any reason they should not sign Fisher? We have the money?

[BlackAndGold]

They missed so bad on Kendrick Green.

[Steelerette]

Any reason they should not sign Fisher? We have the money?
He might be on the wrong side of the hill but we did that with Flozell Adams and wound up with a ring. If the staff truly believe there's a legitimate shot at a playoff run if they improve the O-line then there's no excuse not to do it. The next couple weeks will tell.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

That wasn't rollerskates. That was just flat footed poor technique and effort. Looks like he anticipates an outside move and angles that way. The defender just ran past him on the inside instead. Maybe had he taken a step back to set himself he would have been in better shape? Looks like his assignment there was fairly obvious.

Once again KP takes a hit.

Agreed, the other 4 O linemen kick step in pass protection, while Green was just flat footed and square. The 3 O linemen are blocking 3 on 2 slide protection on the right side, so for Green and Moore it should be inside-out sets and Green just stays flat footed. Poor technique.

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I only got thru the first half of the game that I recorded and Dan Moore was really bad. He got flat footed in pass protection frequently, didnt punch and in the run game he got downfield to block for Warren and never took on a defender. Maybe playing to not get hurt in the preseason or something, but he looks worse than he did as a rookie.

James Daniels too gets too high in his pass sets and isnt in a position to move his feet to stick with his defender. He does better in the run game blocking, but pass protection was not strong. Both are correctable, but I am still wondering if Dan Moore is just a RT and playing LT is too much for him.

[86WARD]

Any reason they should not sign Fisher? We have the money?

Did he retire because of injury??

[SteelMember]

Bottom third, for sure...

[GBMelBlount]

He (Eric Fisher) might be on the wrong side of the hill but we did that with Flozell Adams and wound up with a ring. If the staff truly believe there's a legitimate shot at a playoff run if they improve the O-line then there's no excuse not to do it. The next couple weeks will tell.

While the O-line may turn it around they are so bad to this point that it is worth the risk with Fisher IMO due to the possible upside. Providing we have the money.

[steelreserve]

At this point I think we are unfortunately in the position where adding a veteran or two is the only way we are going to be able to make the line "good enough." We seem to have drifted back into the pre-Munchak territory where even if our young players have potential, they're not progressing at all. Yes, there are not many OL coaches like Mike Munchak, but we need to be doing better than this.

If we can't at least meet some minimum level of player development, we can use as many draft picks as we want and still be spinning our wheels. It'd be like the time we spent four first- and second-round picks on the line in three years and it still sucked, even with Pouncey and DeCastro. It wasn't until there was better coaching that we got it sorted out.

[polamalubeast]

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[86WARD]

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It’s nice that he realizes they were terrible…

[polamalubeast]

It’s nice that he realizes they were terrible…

It was not hard for this game!

It was all-time bad!

[86WARD]

It was not hard for this game!

It was all-time bad!

I’ll really believe it when Green gets cut…

[DuckHodges]

Bottom third, for sure...

or bottom turd :chuckle:

[polamalubeast]

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[Edman]

The upside of having the worst Offensive Line in the League as that they can only improve. If they don't, well, its not like they're disappointing anyone.

[Steeler-in-west]

DeCastro is a FA, hasn't officially retired.

From what little i've seen Daniels looks lost. Green and Moore just slow and/or flatfooted and getting beat

[86WARD]

DeCastro is a FA, hasn't officially retired.

From what little i've seen Daniels looks lost. Green and Moore just slow and/or flatfooted and getting beat

Green is not just slow. He's slow, weak and clueless.

[polamalubeast]

What about Max Starks at the LT position and Willie Colon at the guard position?!

[steelreserve]

The upside of having the worst Offensive Line in the League as that they can only improve. If they don't, well, its not like they're disappointing anyone.

Why can they only improve? It is never so bad that it couldn't get worse.

[Steeler-in-west]

What about Max Starks at the LT position and Willie Colon at the guard position?!

40 year old Starks and Colon might be better than a 23 years old Green

[Dwinsgames]

40 year old Starks and Colon might be better than a 23 years old Green

I'd be willing to take my chances ... Green gets tossed around like rag doll , he is late to get hands on defenders and it goes downhill from there

[polamalubeast]

It's impossible to be as bad as in the last game, since it's the NFL and you're supposed to be at least competitive but can our o-line today have at least an average game?

[Born2Steel]

Just successfully execute the play called would be a nice improvement for the OL.

Don't let your QB take a free shot to the chops for a change.

Call your protections and communicate.

Hit first/hit lowest/drive with your legs.

[Mojouw]

Lots of Steelers internet chatter that the players are not adapting well to the new OL coaches preferred style (meyers?). That raises the question, at least for me, of maybe Meyers sucks? Like if guys can not get comfortable in your system, then either teach it better or adapt to focus on what they are comfortable doing.

I swear that if this is another lost season because they hitched their wagon to some moron at OL coach....

[polamalubeast]

Lots of Steelers internet chatter that the players are not adapting well to the new OL coaches preferred style (meyers?). That raises the question, at least for me, of maybe Meyers sucks? Like if guys can not get comfortable in your system, then either teach it better or adapt to focus on what they are comfortable doing.

I swear that if this is another lost season because they hitched their wagon to some moron at OL coach....

If the o-line have a ugly game once again maybe he will be fired?

[Mojouw]

If the o-line have a ugly game once again maybe he will be fired?

Nope. They don't do stuff like that. They've hitched their 2022 o-line wagon to Pat Meyer and that's that.

I think, again, Steelers fans got all fired up with some "cool guy" o-line coach quotes earlier this off-season. But Meyers has never coached a good offensive line in the NFL. Bottom 3rd every year.

[86WARD]

Nope. They don't do stuff like that. They've hitched their 2022 o-line wagon to Pat Meyer and that's that.

I think, again, Steelers fans got all fired up with some "cool guy" o-line coach quotes earlier this off-season. But Meyers has never coached a good offensive line in the NFL. Bottom 3rd every year.

I don’t think I liked him when he was signed. But you are 100% correct…they’ll ride the season out until it’s over and then make a move.

[polamalubeast]

Nope. They don't do stuff like that. They've hitched their 2022 o-line wagon to Pat Meyer and that's that.

I think, again, Steelers fans got all fired up with some "cool guy" o-line coach quotes earlier this off-season. But Meyers has never coached a good offensive line in the NFL. Bottom 3rd every year.

I don't want the steelers to wait too long before changing their o-line coach like in 2013.But of course I don't think he is the only problem.....

[polamalubeast]

3 penalties for the steelers o-line on the second drive...

[86WARD]

3 penalties for the steelers o-line on the second drive...

Sure it wasn’t more?!?

[polamalubeast]

Sure it wasn’t more?!?

2 for Moore and 1 for Dotson!

[polamalubeast]

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[Mojouw]

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That’s a sign of a bad coach. Forcing specific “system” rather than identifying strengths and modify system to augment what players do well.

[Dwinsgames]

why isnt Eric Fisher on a flight to Pittsburgh as we speak ????

[Born2Steel]

Our OTs are in trouble. I thought the IOL did a decent to good job in pass pro in the 1st half. The Tackles are getting owned. Just not able to get into position. They're gonna need help in the 2nd half.

[polamalubeast]

why isnt Eric Fisher on a flight to Pittsburgh as we speak ????

want too much money maybe?

[Dwinsgames]

want too much money maybe?

they need to find the money because the Moore experiment has turned ugly

[86WARD]

Is Mike Munchak unemployed at the moment??

[polamalubeast]

Is Mike Munchak unemployed at the moment??

yes

[Steeler-in-west]

yes

speaking of former linemen turned coaches, i wonder if Faneca would get involved more with coaching the line, i understand he's at practice sometimes.

[Rotorhead]

They are certainly hot trash right now. They are going to get destroyed by Cincy in week 1 if they don’t figure something out. At this point, can we just cut them all and pick up the best of who is cut? Could they really be worse?

[86WARD]

yes

I’m wondering if they even reached out to him...

[Mojouw]

All indications on the interwebs are that Fisher has had multiple teams reach out. Why would he come here if he can go somewhere else and chase a ring?

[polamalubeast]

All indications on the interwebs are that Fisher has had multiple teams reach out. Why would he come here if he can go somewhere else and chase a ring?

The only chance is if the steelers offer him more money...They have the cap space.Also Fisher won a ring in 2019 with KC

[86WARD]

All indications on the interwebs are that Fisher has had multiple teams reach out. Why would he come here if he can go somewhere else and chase a ring?

What teams reached out that are going to give him a chance at a ring?

[Mojouw]

What teams reached out that are going to give him a chance at a ring?

No idea. I read a report that 9+ teams reached out. Made the leap that one of those is gonna be a "better" team with higher playoff chances than the Steelers.

I just really feel that this MB in particular always over-estimates Steelers as a FA landing spot. In past seasons it was mostly because the roster was loaded enough that guys would have to come here and be 2nd or 3rd string. Now? Veterans may not want to come to play on a middle of the pack or worse team.

[EzraTank]

On a different note, imagine how good this offense will be with an good or even great OL. We have all the other pieces in place we just need an OL and real offensive coordinator.

[Dwinsgames]

No idea. I read a report that 9+ teams reached out. Made the leap that one of those is gonna be a "better" team with higher playoff chances than the Steelers.

I just really feel that this MB in particular always over-estimates Steelers as a FA landing spot. In past seasons it was mostly because the roster was loaded enough that guys would have to come here and be 2nd or 3rd string. Now? Veterans may not want to come to play on a middle of the pack or worse team.

They should be better than the Browns , they likely are better than the Ravens , and they could be as good or better than the Bengals .... our WRs rivals the Bengals ( provided Pickens is all he is being advertised as ) our RB vs their is a push we have the TE advantage I think and I believe a better def ........ if Mitch plays like he did in preseason then IMO we got a shot at the div crown if we figure out the 0-Line over the next 2 weeks

[86WARD]

No idea. I read a report that 9+ teams reached out. Made the leap that one of those is gonna be a "better" team with higher playoff chances than the Steelers.

I just really feel that this MB in particular always over-estimates Steelers as a FA landing spot. In past seasons it was mostly because the roster was loaded enough that guys would have to come here and be 2nd or 3rd string. Now? Veterans may not want to come to play on a middle of the pack or worse team.

I don’t buy that logic anymore. Fisher is retired, these retired guys are only coming back for a paycheck. If the ring was the ultimate factor, then no one would ever play in New York, Miami, Arizona, Cincinnati, etc. These teams are perennial bottom dwellers and they still manage to sign players. The Bengals signed players when they had no upside and wound up winning a Super Bowl.

Sure there are guys who chase the ring. Eric Weddle as an example. As a retired guy he saw an opportunity…but that was when? The season was almost over. He was in shape, saw an opportunity and grabbed it.

I just don’t think that “gonna go here because they have more of an opportunity at a ring than this guy” is really that big of a factor as you make it out to be. Sure it weighs in but I don’t think it’s the end all be all. Dallas was probably one of those teams…is the opportunity in Dallas that much greater than Pittsburgh? Maybe a little…is that enough to want to play for Jerry Jones or would they rather play for Art Rooney?

[EzraTank]

I don’t buy that logic anymore. Fisher is retired, these retired guys are only coming back for a paycheck. If the ring was the ultimate factor, then no one would ever play in New York, Miami, Arizona, Cincinnati, etc. These teams are perennial bottom dwellers and they still manage to sign players. The Bengals signed players when they had no upside and wound up winning a Super Bowl.

Sure there are guys who chase the ring. Eric Weddle as an example. As a retired guy he saw an opportunity…but that was when? The season was almost over. He was in shape, saw an opportunity and grabbed it.

I just don’t think that “gonna go here because they have more of an opportunity at a ring than this guy” is really that big of a factor as you make it out to be. Sure it weighs in but I don’t think it’s the end all be all. Dallas was probably one of those teams…is the opportunity in Dallas that much greater than Pittsburgh? Maybe a little…is that enough to want to play for Jerry Jones or would they rather play for Art Rooney?

What number Superbowl did the Bengals win?

[Mojouw]

I don’t buy that logic anymore. Fisher is retired, these retired guys are only coming back for a paycheck. If the ring was the ultimate factor, then no one would ever play in New York, Miami, Arizona, Cincinnati, etc. These teams are perennial bottom dwellers and they still manage to sign players. The Bengals signed players when they had no upside and wound up winning a Super Bowl.

Sure there are guys who chase the ring. Eric Weddle as an example. As a retired guy he saw an opportunity…but that was when? The season was almost over. He was in shape, saw an opportunity and grabbed it.

I just don’t think that “gonna go here because they have more of an opportunity at a ring than this guy” is really that big of a factor as you make it out to be. Sure it weighs in but I don’t think it’s the end all be all. Dallas was probably one of those teams…is the opportunity in Dallas that much greater than Pittsburgh? Maybe a little…is that enough to want to play for Jerry Jones or would they rather play for Art Rooney?

For me? No.

But I think NFL players see it far differently.

I think NFL players see Dallas as significantly more competitive than the Steelers.

All I am saying is that FA's have to want to sign for a deal to get worked out. What is the "upside" of Fisher coming out of retirement to play for the Steelers? Bad offensive line. Uncertain QB situation. Unproven offensive system. A loaded AFC North. AFC is likely the more competitive overall conference.

Again, I think players are not great evaluators of the overall situation of each franchise. They tend to look at it like Madden settings rather than accurately projecting what is going on. But I don't think an aging OL that is seemingly content to be retired is going to run right out and sign with a middle of the pack AFC team.

[DesertSteel]

Dan Moore showed some promise last year as a R4 rookie starter, but geez, has he ever regressed into a turnstile! He lacks the quickness and technique to be a starting LT in the NFL. Time to work the phone. Correction, past time! Honestly, another team's practice squad LT would be an upgrade.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Dan Moore showed some promise last year as a R4 rookie starter, but geez, has he ever regressed into a turnstile! He lacks the quickness and technique to be a starting LT in the NFL. Time to work the phone. Correction, past time! Honestly, another team's practice squad LT would be an upgrade.

Yeah, his pass sets have always been inconsistent, in that he can get flat footed and not get great depth sometimes, but then other sets he has a good position to handle speed around the edge. He is athletic enough to handle guys, but just puts himself in bad positions at times. Its why I was of the opinion that he would be better off to start on the RT side of things to work on his craft and not the blind side, but I'm just another armchair talent evaluator.

I think the Eric Fisher pursuit should have happened, but there must be underlying issues there as well. Everything in an offensive lineman's play can generally be improved by technique and the weight room. Some guys just dont have the patience or desire to become better technicians IMO.

[86WARD]

What number Superbowl did the Bengals win?

Lol. Must’ve lost my train of thought there…making it to a Super Bowl…

[Dwinsgames]

Dan Moore showed some promise last year as a R4 rookie starter, but geez, has he ever regressed into a turnstile! He lacks the quickness and technique to be a starting LT in the NFL. Time to work the phone. Correction, past time! Honestly, another team's practice squad LT would be an upgrade.


the regression is headed towards uncharted territory , honestly can't understand how he hasnt been replaced .... I guess that says something for the depth too

[polamalubeast]

https://steelersdepot.com/2022/08/khan-admits-theres-work-to-be-done-regarding-the-offensive-line/

[EzraTank]

JC Tetter and Fisher are still out there and in their early 30's. Offer them a good deal and move Cole to another position. This unit is a hot mess.

[Dwinsgames]

JC Tetter and Fisher are still out there and in their early 30's. Offer them a good deal and move Cole to another position. This unit is a hot mess.


Cole has been ok IMO , the more dire need is LT ( Fisher could fill ) and honestly Dotson hasnt looked good and Green is a hot mess (must have been training with Dan Moore in the off season)

Find a LT and LG and as much of a anti Chuks guy I am hell move him to LT if you must and find a RT it may not be ideal but it cant be worse can it ???

[86WARD]

JC Tetter and Fisher are still out there and in their early 30's. Offer them a good deal and move Cole to another position. This unit is a hot mess.

Tretter announced retirement.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34457362/jc-tretter-former-cleveland-browns-center-retires-8-seasons-nfl-remains-nflpa-president?platform=amp

[DuckHodges]

After Trubisky has a pro bowl season, trade him for a 2nd or 1st rounder, then spend the first 3 picks on OL next year :chuckle:

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Find a LT and LG and as much of a anti Chuks guy I am hell move him to LT if you must and find a RT it may not be ideal but it cant be worse can it ???

I always thought that Chuks at LT and Moore at RT was the better pairing, given the skillset and experience. But I am sure the plan is to coach them up and roll with who is on the roster.

[Dwinsgames]

I always thought that Chuks at LT and Moore at RT was the better pairing, given the skillset and experience. But I am sure the plan is to coach them up and roll with who is on the roster.

coaching them up hasnt worked thus far , so I am not gonna hold my breath thinking it will "all of the sudden"

[Born2Steel]

I don't think the Bengals Tackles are going to fair any better than the Steelers Tackles this week. Both teams need to bring help on the edges. Can we stop Hill/can they stop Cam becomes the next question.

[86WARD]

I always thought that Chuks at LT and Moore at RT was the better pairing, given the skillset and experience. But I am sure the plan is to coach them up and roll with who is on the roster.

They haven’t tried coaching them up yet? Perhaps the instructor isn’t coaching them up well enough??

[teegre]

Doesn’t Fisher have neck problems?

Speaking of injured players, Teven Jenkins looked decent at OG, buuut he’ll be on IR by Week 5.

Andre Dillard might be cut. Former first-round bust… but, he still might be better than what we currently have.

Lastly, I heard one of the O-line talking heads (maybe Baldy?) saying that Dan Moore is being taught a different hand-use technique (which is why he has regressed).

[Mojouw]

Doesn’t Fisher have neck problems?

Speaking of injured players, Teven Jenkins looked decent at OG, buuut he’ll be on IR by Week 5.

Andre Dillard might be cut. Former first-round bust… but, he still might be better than what we currently have.

Lastly, I heard one of the O-line talking heads (maybe Baldy?) saying that Dan Moore is being taught a different hand-use technique (which is why he has regressed).

The last is the big thing. All of the Steelers linemen except Chuks are looking worse than their previous tape. Which in some cases wasn’t good to begin with.

I’m usually one to blame players first, second, and third. But this is so systemic, it seems like a coaching issue.

Concerned that outside players would just be caught in the vortex of suck.

[EzraTank]

Tretter announced retirement.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34457362/jc-tretter-former-cleveland-browns-center-retires-8-seasons-nfl-remains-nflpa-president?platform=amp

Did you read it though. He said he got no interest because of him being President of the NFLPA.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

They haven’t tried coaching them up yet? Perhaps the instructor isn’t coaching them up well enough??
You become a product of what you continually do. So maybe what they are repping in practice is not what will help them the best? Maybe the protection scheme is just a man protection vs a slide protection, or maybe they are not executing the protection schemes?? I really havent taken the time to break down their play so far.

Moore is setting too shallow and flat footed, maybe because he doesn't want to let the inside counter happen, but he is agile enough to cut off the counter. Maybe he is too much of a cement head to understand and repeat good technique? Maybe he has ADD and cant focus on consistent pass set technique?

All I know is that he is a big man, with long arms and quick enough feet to play OT in the NFL, but I see him get flat footed or not enough depth, then he either gets beat like a road pylon or has to hold the rusher and get flagged.

[Steeler-in-west]

so in 2019 we had AV, Foster, Pouncey, DD and Feiler

We haven't adequately replaced any of those guys to date. The crew of Moore, dotson, Cole, Daniels, and Okafor don't measure up in at least 3 of the 5 spots (with only Cole and Okafor being decent so far). And we haven't had an adequate replacement for Munchak as coach either. Couple that with the lowest paid OL in the NFL (at the cost of going after skill position players), and you have a upper management philosophy that flies in the face of the fundamentals and common sense of how you build a football team; OL should always be one of if not the highest priority.

[Mojouw]

so in 2019 we had AV, Foster, Pouncey, DD and Feiler

We haven't adequately replaced any of those guys to date. The crew of Moore, dotson, Cole, Daniels, and Okafor don't measure up in at least 3 of the 5 spots (with only Cole and Okafor being decent so far). And we haven't had an adequate replacement for Munchak as coach either. Couple that with the lowest paid OL in the NFL (at the cost of going after skill position players), and you have a upper management philosophy that flies in the face of the fundamentals and common sense of how you build a football team; OL should always be one of if not the highest priority.

Chose to get Ben weapons to make a final ride. RB and TE instead of OL. Then QB this year. If KP pans out, they should be able to devote resources this upcoming draft.

[Steeler-in-west]

Chose to get Ben weapons to make a final ride. RB and TE instead of OL. Then QB this year. If KP pans out, they should be able to devote resources this upcoming draft.

What's the use of weapons if you can't protect your aging immobile QB?

You can argue they could've done a better at replacing AV and Pouncey than two mid round rookies (one rookie at center with 4 starts in college). Didn't they spend some FA money on defense and D Watt during that time? Maybe some of that money should've gone to the O Line instead. Then Turner as an emergency replacement for DeCastro you can argue was a poor choice as well. Seems they didn't perform enough study and evaluation to determine that Trai Turner was done.

Finally there's the coaching choice of Klemm. Its clear the guy was overwhelmed in the art of teaching blocking techniques to pro's - he should've stuck to recruiting at UCLA.

as far as this year, they still need to make some tweaks to the line now to protect their number 1 pick and give him a chance (not to mention keeping Najee from getting burned out). Best thing to do is keep Green and maybe Moore away from the starting lineup and add a Tackle through pickup or trade.

[Mojouw]

What's the use of weapons if you can't protect your aging immobile QB?

You can argue they could've done a better at replacing AV and Pouncey than two mid round rookies (one rookie at center with 4 starts in college). Didn't they spend some FA money on defense and D Watt during that time? Maybe some of that money should've gone to the O Line instead. Then Turner as an emergency replacement for DeCastro you can argue was a poor choice as well. Seems they didn't perform enough study and evaluation to determine that Trai Turner was done.

Finally there's the coaching choice of Klemm. Its clear the guy was overwhelmed in the art of teaching blocking techniques to pro's - he should've stuck to recruiting at UCLA.

as far as this year, they still need to make some tweaks to the line now to protect their number 1 pick and give him a chance (not to mention keeping Najee from getting burned out). Best thing to do is keep Green and maybe Moore away from the starting lineup and add a Tackle through pickup or trade.

Klemm seems to have been less overwhelmed the current guy. Across the board, the current OL mix has regressed under new dude. And Klemm was actively terrible at his job!

Don't have to sell me on OL. But the Steelers made a concerted organizational choice. Despite their successes and flashes of talent at the NFL level, I suspect I would rather have a top end OT and C than Harris and Friermuth.

But that ship has sailed. Best case, as I see it, is that there is incremental improvement across the OL in 2022 and they don't get KP or NH killed. Then major reinforcements arrive in 2023 via the draft and FA.

[Steeler-in-west]

Klemm seems to have been less overwhelmed the current guy. Across the board, the current OL mix has regressed under new dude. And Klemm was actively terrible at his job!

Don't have to sell me on OL. But the Steelers made a concerted organizational choice. Despite their successes and flashes of talent at the NFL level, I suspect I would rather have a top end OT and C than Harris and Friermuth.

But that ship has sailed. Best case, as I see it, is that there is incremental improvement across the OL in 2022 and they don't get KP or NH killed. Then major reinforcements arrive in 2023 via the draft and FA.

yes, the current o line coaching seems subpar as well. Wonder why they didn't approach Munchak about a return.

going skill players over fixing the line first doesn't seem like the Steelers way, (someone influencing ARII?) but like you said, its done. With KP and the D and a hopefully revamped line next season it will work out.

[DuckHodges]

munchak is enjoying the retired life and isn't moving anywhere away from colorado, that ship's sailed

maybe we can bring joe greene out of retirement to coach our OL. sure he probably doesn't know much about blocking schemes but it'd be funny to hear about him beating the snot out of our hapless OLinemen just for the laughs

[hawaiiansteeler]

maybe we can bring joe greene out of retirement to coach our OL. sure he probably doesn't know much about blocking schemes but it'd be funny to hear about him beating the snot out of our hapless OLinemen just for the laughs

https://goodkarma.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com/img/croppedphotos/2019/11/26/joegreene_t670.jpg?b3f6a5d7692ccc373d56e40cf708e3f a67d9af9d

[Born2Steel]

Nick Ford was released by the Jaguars.

Saints release Center Nick Martin

[86WARD]

There’s definitely better talent out there to improve the O-Line…it’s just a matter of coast and if they want to really do it that way…

I’m happy that they are recognizing that there’s been issues last season, issues this preseason. They’ve done a little to try to improve it but it doesn’t seem like they have jumped in the pool fully yet.

[tube517]

https://steelersdepot.com/2022/08/jeremy-fowler-reports-steelers-were-in-on-dennis-daley-before-jesse-davis-trade/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

[86WARD]

If like to think they’d be in on every possible OL up for trade/discussion…

[Dwinsgames]

If like to think they’d be in on every possible OL up for trade/discussion…

this

[steelreserve]

yes, the current o line coaching seems subpar as well. Wonder why they didn't approach Munchak about a return.

going skill players over fixing the line first doesn't seem like the Steelers way, (someone influencing ARII?) but like you said, its done. With KP and the D and a hopefully revamped line next season it will work out.

When you've got mid-round draft picks and mid-level signings, you ought to have an OL that's kind of meh - ours is terrible.

When you have young players, they should improve over time - ours are getting worse.

The longer they play together, the more they ought to come together as a cohesive unit - ours get more lost and disjointed.

All of this just screams that it's more than just a talent issue. Pretty much all our guys are from round 3-4, which are supposed to be players who have the tools to hold their own, not overmatched talentless scrubs. I don't know a hell of a lot about this new OL coach, but based on the available evidence, it looks like he might be a jackass.

[DuckHodges]

When you've got mid-round draft picks and mid-level signings, you ought to have an OL that's kind of meh - ours is terrible.

When you have young players, they should improve over time - ours are getting worse.

The longer they play together, the more they ought to come together as a cohesive unit - ours get more lost and disjointed.

All of this just screams that it's more than just a talent issue. Pretty much all our guys are from round 3-4, which are supposed to be players who have the tools to hold their own, not overmatched talentless scrubs. I don't know a hell of a lot about this new OL coach, but based on the available evidence, it looks like he might be a jackass.

Failure in coaching if this happens. 2nd year players are supposed to get better, not worse or stay the same. I could see if there was one problem player, but this is across the board, which makes me believe their OL coach is a bum and needs to be replaced after this season

[Steeler-in-west]

When you've got mid-round draft picks and mid-level signings, you ought to have an OL that's kind of meh - ours is terrible.

When you have young players, they should improve over time - ours are getting worse.

The longer they play together, the more they ought to come together as a cohesive unit - ours get more lost and disjointed.

All of this just screams that it's more than just a talent issue. Pretty much all our guys are from round 3-4, which are supposed to be players who have the tools to hold their own, not overmatched talentless scrubs. I don't know a hell of a lot about this new OL coach, but based on the available evidence, it looks like he might be a jackass.

Agreed, Daniels for instance was a highly regarded signing and he now looks lost out there. So, first it was Klemm, now its seemingly Meyers...question is who's hiring these guys?


A. Canada

B. Tomlin

C. Both A and B,

But aside from the coaching, there also not spending alot on the line - apparently lowest O line salary in the league, that points toward management.

[steelreserve]

Agreed, Daniels for instance was a highly regarded signing and he now looks lost out there. So, first it was Klemm, now its seemingly Meyers...question is who's hiring these guys?


A. Canada

B. Tomlin

C. Both A and B,

But aside from the coaching, there also not spending alot on the line - apparently lowest O line salary in the league, that points toward management.

Lowest salary in the league, but almost all of them are on rookie deals. Until recently, we were spending quite a bit on the OL, but then all the big-money players retired. Replenishing through the draft is the way to do it if you don't want to spend a ton.

You'd naturally expect a step down from Pouncey and DeCastro level if you do it that way, but not the kind of Three Stooges bullshit we have now. Pretty long odds that we just completely whiffed on like 10 draft picks and free agents in a row.

As for who keeps hiring shitty OL coaches, your guess is as good as mine, but this was a problem in the years between Grimm and Munchak as well. It was like if they weren't an all-time slam dunk candidate, they couldn't coach at all.

[teegre]

Andre Dillard might be cut. Former first-round bust… but, he still might be better than what we currently have.


Not being cut.
The Eagles are indeed trying to trade him, though.

[HollywoodSteel]

I’m not going to go back through the thread to see if this has been discussed yet, but I was listening to a Steelers podcast the other day and they were talking about how the new O Line coach has introduced an entirely new strategy when it comes to pass blocking that none of the players have ever done in their entire lives of playing football. Forgive me if I mess up the nuances of it, as I’m no expert in O line mechanics, but the gist of it is an attacking strategy rather than the traditional way of backpedaling and anchoring.

It makes a whole lot of sense when you look at a group of starting NFL linemen who ALL seem to have gotten worse from last year to this year. It also helps explain the degree of how bad our guys look like they are getting beat. Because when an attacking style pass blocking move fails, it fails spectacularly.

It also might help explain some seemingly lateral moves we’ve made with drops and adds to the back end of the O line roster. The O line coach is looking for guys he thinks can do his style better.

The question the podcasters were discussing was: how long do you stick with the plan until you admit defeat and go back to the traditional pass blocking style these players are more comfortable with?

They admitted that if such a strategy can be successful this is the year to try it. It also might help explain the decision to wait on throwing Pickett in there until we’ve settled on the most successful O line strategy (or maybe this is me just reaching). But you can only try it for so long in failure before it becomes inexcusably reckless. It’s great to have an innovative plan, but a good leader knows when to abandon it and adjust. This might be an interesting leadership test for Tomlin this year. Especially in an area where he generally delegates to his offensive coaches. Maybe it will be Canada’s call.

Those of you who know more about the Xs and Os of O line play… does any of this make sense out of what you’ve seen in the preseason? And is this an entirely novel strategy or has something like this been done successfully before? Even at the college level?

[Mojouw]

I’m not going to go back through the thread to see if this has been discussed yet, but I was listening to a Steelers podcast the other day and they were talking about how the new O Line coach has introduced an entirely new strategy when it comes to pass blocking that none of the players have ever done in their entire lives of playing football. Forgive me if I mess up the nuances of it, as I’m no expert in O line mechanics, but the gist of it is an attacking strategy rather than the traditional way of backpedaling and anchoring.

It makes a whole lot of sense when you look at a group of starting NFL linemen who ALL seem to have gotten worse from last year to this year. It also helps explain the degree of how bad our guys look like they are getting beat. Because when an attacking style pass blocking move fails, it fails spectacularly.

It also might help explain some seemingly lateral moves we’ve made with drops and adds to the back end of the O line roster. The O line coach is looking for guys he thinks can do his style better.

The question the podcasters were discussing was: how long do you stick with the plan until you admit defeat and go back to the traditional pass blocking style these players are more comfortable with?

They admitted that if such a strategy can be successful this is the year to try it. It also might help explain the decision to wait on throwing Pickett in there until we’ve settled on the most successful O line strategy (or maybe this is me just reaching). But you can only try it for so long in failure before it becomes inexcusably reckless. It’s great to have an innovative plan, but a good leader knows when to abandon it and adjust. This might be an interesting leadership test for Tomlin this year. Especially in an area where he generally delegates to his offensive coaches. Maybe it will be Canada’s call.

Those of you who know more about the Xs and Os of O line play… does any of this make sense out of what you’ve seen in the preseason? And is this an entirely novel strategy or has something like this been done successfully before? Even at the college level?

I’ll agree with all that.

My Dad and I were talking over the weekend and our best hope is that the did the preseason trying to rep the new approach and during the season, they do a mix of strategies to maximize individual player success.

We also realized we’ve got no clue and we’re likely off base in all our speculations. so there’s that.

[Born2Steel]

I’m not going to go back through the thread to see if this has been discussed yet, but I was listening to a Steelers podcast the other day and they were talking about how the new O Line coach has introduced an entirely new strategy when it comes to pass blocking that none of the players have ever done in their entire lives of playing football. Forgive me if I mess up the nuances of it, as I’m no expert in O line mechanics, but the gist of it is an attacking strategy rather than the traditional way of backpedaling and anchoring.

It makes a whole lot of sense when you look at a group of starting NFL linemen who ALL seem to have gotten worse from last year to this year. It also helps explain the degree of how bad our guys look like they are getting beat. Because when an attacking style pass blocking move fails, it fails spectacularly.

It also might help explain some seemingly lateral moves we’ve made with drops and adds to the back end of the O line roster. The O line coach is looking for guys he thinks can do his style better.

The question the podcasters were discussing was: how long do you stick with the plan until you admit defeat and go back to the traditional pass blocking style these players are more comfortable with?

They admitted that if such a strategy can be successful this is the year to try it. It also might help explain the decision to wait on throwing Pickett in there until we’ve settled on the most successful O line strategy (or maybe this is me just reaching). But you can only try it for so long in failure before it becomes inexcusably reckless. It’s great to have an innovative plan, but a good leader knows when to abandon it and adjust. This might be an interesting leadership test for Tomlin this year. Especially in an area where he generally delegates to his offensive coaches. Maybe it will be Canada’s call.

Those of you who know more about the Xs and Os of O line play… does any of this make sense out of what you’ve seen in the preseason? And is this an entirely novel strategy or has something like this been done successfully before? Even at the college level?

Considering OL can only advance 1 yard on any pass play before the ball is thrown or be flagged for ineligible downfield, I don't understand the concept.

[HollywoodSteel]

Considering OL can only advance 1 yard on any pass play before the ball is thrown or be flagged for ineligible downfield, I don't understand the concept.

I’m probably not the guy to explain it. But from what I’ve heard discussed I don’t think it’s about advancing down the field like in run blocking, but more of an immediate punch from the snap in an attempt to disrupt a pass rusher before he gets going when , as opposed to a backpedal where you’re immediately giving ground.

I guess it kind of makes sense in theory. Pass rushers don’t practice against that, and tend to rely on speed and leverage rather than moving a bigger O lineman backwards off the line before then trying to get around him while they’re already engaged.

But the problem is that our O linemen are also not used to doing it this way when all their training and muscle memory is programmed to do it a different way. It’s also a big problem if the defender does any kind of successful swim move or gets the Olineman off balance from the start. Because once that defender is around you at the line, there’s nothing between him and the QB but bad intentions.

At least that’s my intuitive take on it with no actual knowledge about anything.

[teegre]

@Hollywood Steel

Yep :nod: Third technique in three seasons.

[GBMelBlount]

While the O-line may turn it around they are so bad to this point that it is worth the risk with Fisher IMO due to the possible upside. Providing we have the money.

Looks like we now have around 9 mil in cap space due to the restructuring of Watt's contract. I know we like to have ~ 10 mil cap space going into the season for emergencies, but the Oline issues FEEL like an emergency to me...

Any chance they approach/reapproach Fisher now? I read he still wants to play but has to this point rejected close to 10 offers.

[Mojouw]

@Hollywood Steel

Yep :nod: Third technique in three seasons.

Which is likely why the rawest lineman, Chuks, looks the best. No muscle memory to fight.

[polamalubeast]

:rofl2::rofl2::rofl2:

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What a embarrassment this comment!

[86WARD]

:rofl2::rofl2::rofl2:

1567915595383062530

What a embarrassment this comment!

Oh God…

[lipps83]

This guy is as clueless as Fichtner was.

[Mojouw]

What's he gonna say prior to the first game?

These guys are turnstiles and I fear for the health and safety of whatever RBs and QBs we put behind this joke of an OL group. Honestly, I didn't even come up with a gameplan or even plays to call against Cincinnati on Sunday. I mean, why? These jokers couldn't block well enough to execute any of them anyways. I told Mitchy T to just make shit up in the huddle. I'm thinking about looking for Bruce Arians special reserve of trunk liquor and being good an loaded by halftime.

Please, remember that everything these guys say to the media are lies, half-truths, cliches, and predominantly meaningless nonsense. Don't take it seriously.

[SteelMember]

A simple and obvious "we need to be better" would have sufficed...

[86WARD]

A simple and obvious "we need to be better" would have sufficed...

Or they look like they are getting better since preseason…

[Mojouw]

Be interesting to find the full interview and the response that Filliponi pulled his "scare quote" from.

I am willing to bet that in the actual context, Canada is likely responding far more like how people want him to. Gonna guess that Poni is just trolling...again.

Anyone have a link to the actual interview? Hopefully a written version. I have no interest in looking/listening to the whole thing.

[tube517]

Be interesting to find the full interview and the response that Filliponi pulled his "scare quote" from.

I am willing to bet that in the actual context, Canada is likely responding far more like how people want him to. Gonna guess that Poni is just trolling...again.

Anyone have a link to the actual interview? Hopefully a written version. I have no interest in looking/listening to the whole thing.

Poni is being Poni. He's butt hurt because Pickett's not starting

[polamalubeast]

Be interesting to find the full interview and the response that Filliponi pulled his "scare quote" from.

I am willing to bet that in the actual context, Canada is likely responding far more like how people want him to. Gonna guess that Poni is just trolling...again.

Anyone have a link to the actual interview? Hopefully a written version. I have no interest in looking/listening to the whole thing.

I can't find the latest Canada interview, so sorry about that!

[Mojouw]

Poni is being Poni. He's butt hurt because Pickett's not starting

Sounds about right!

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I can't find the latest Canada interview, so sorry about that!

Now worries! Was just curious and this group is really good at finding stuff so I thought I would ask.

After Sunday afternoon, none of this will matter anyways. We are going to see what it all actually looks like. Can't wait!

[polamalubeast]

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Maybe the struggle of the o-line in the preseason could be a good thing for the steelers after all because it put a huge sense of urgency on this unit since the game against the jags...Just maybe...

[Born2Steel]

I'll just say again that breaking this season down into 4 week sections and then looking for improvement at different positions as well as overall, from one to the next section, will tell the tale better than preseason has. If after 6 weeks there is little to no improvement, that's just who we are. If there is noticeable to significant improvement, the sky becomes the limit.

[polamalubeast]

I'll just say again that breaking this season down into 4 week sections and then looking for improvement at different positions as well as overall, from one to the next section, will tell the tale better than preseason has. If after 6 weeks there is little to no improvement, that's just who we are. If there is noticeable to significant improvement, the sky becomes the limit.

But with the bills and the bucs in week 5 and 6,if the steelers are not better that 2-2,they could be in big trouble....The o-line can not be garbage from the start.

[Born2Steel]

But with the bills and the bucs in week 5 and 6,if the steelers are not better that 2-2,they could be in big trouble....The o-line can not be garbage from the start.

Improvement does not equal wins. No improvement doesn't mean losses. It's an evaluation of progress for individual position groups AND team as a whole. About week 6(barring a rash of injuries) is when you really know who you are this season. Not a set in granite number, just an average.

Nobody wants garbage. Also, nobody has much of a clue what this offense will or is supposed to look like.

[Mojouw]

Here’s the full Canada quote:

“I feel good where they are right now,” offensive coordinator Matt Canada said. “We are moving in the right direction. New faces jelling together, trying to find out what each guy does well. It doesn’t matter what is going on or what the results are. We are never going to say that we are a finished product. We are working on it, and we must continue getting better at all spots.”

That seems fine?

[Hawkman]

Here’s the full Canada quote:

“I feel good where they are right now,” offensive coordinator Matt Canada said. “We are moving in the right direction. New faces jelling together, trying to find out what each guy does well. It doesn’t matter what is going on or what the results are. We are never going to say that we are a finished product. We are working on it, and we must continue getting better at all spots.”

That seems fine?

When you think how long Pouncey, DeCastro, and Foster were together. Foster may have been a slightly above average guard, but he was a strong leader of that OL. I don’t see anyone, (yet) standing out as a leader of our O-line. Part of me is amazed that Ben actually came back last year, without his guys.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

@teegre needs to stop lying about O line rankings and just read this thread for all the real answers. :rolleyes:

[polamalubeast]

@teegre needs to stop lying about O line rankings and just read this thread for all the real answers. :rolleyes:

This thread and the comments were made before the season.....Things can change after some game....

[DuckHodges]

Pundits were wrong about this being the worst o-line, but right about Mitch being the worst QB

[Mojouw]

What has changed?

I just don't see how the line not being a total disaster doesn't mean it still isn't awful.

Like my brain is not in good working order most days....but MT clearly doesn't feel comfortable behind the line and in many of the various threads critiquing his play, it is repeatedly pointed out that his pockets aren't great. Just because he hasn't been sacked a ton doesn't mean they are doing well. The OL play is PART of the reason for the conservative approach and the Captain Checkdown Dumpoff style of play by MT.

In the run game? Yeesh...I don't know enough to get into it, but from couch it looks bad.