DJ - workouts

[DesertSteel]

So, I don't think this has been discussed, but it seems that DJ opted to do workouts with Mac Jones instead of working out with his new QB, Mitch Trubisky. That speaks pretty piss poorly of him IMO. Perhaps there's a reasonable explanation, but until I find one out, his stock is down for me.

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Time to draft his replacement in ether R1 or R2.

[Born2Steel]

I'm liking this more and more. Definitely no later than 52.

[Mojouw]

Don't guys work out with "not team-mates" each and every off-season all across the NFL?

What if DJ had this scheduled long before Trubisky had his "event"?

Mountains and molehills and all that.

But....I do acknowledge that some want ANY reason to get after DJ. He seems to have become the new Steelers scapegoat for many things.

[86WARD]

Time to draft his replacement in ether R1 or R2.[/QUOTE]

Better fin JuJu & Washington replacement as well. So three out of the 7 picks are WRs…lol.

[DesertSteel]

Don't guys work out with "not team-mates" each and every off-season all across the NFL?

What if DJ had this scheduled long before Trubisky had his "event"?

Mountains and molehills and all that.

But....I do acknowledge that some want ANY reason to get after DJ. He seems to have become the new Steelers scapegoat for many things.
They do workout with other guys and I'd have no problem with it if there wasn't one with HIS QB at the same time. If it was pre-scheduled, you say, "Sorry bro, MY QB is having workouts and it's important that I attend."

Offseason workouts aren't molehills. Ask Super Bowl winners.

And I'm on record as a DJ supporter. But this speaks a little louder that the stupidity of unfollowing someone on social media.

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Time to draft his replacement in ether R1 or R2.

Better fin JuJu & Washington replacement as well. So three out of the 7 picks are WRs…lol.
Washington's replacement can be found in the UDFA pool or practice squad.

[Mojouw]

It was what...like 36 hours? Plus....no one is gonna remember that whole thing now.

I think it was basically Friday and that's it?

If you want to search for things to get mad about...this qualifies. But in 3 weeks, 3 months, etc. This isn't gonna matter to anyone.

These workouts are basically team-building and social media stunts. No one has ever won a SB and been like, "Those 3 back shoulder fades we threw last April between selfies, beer, and wings in this dude's backyard were really the difference."

[teegre]

Rumor now confirmed: DJ will be traded to the Taperiots for their R2 pick.

Source: TapesDidntCheet247 on Twitter

[Hawkman]

Draft can’t get here fast enough……I think I say this every year. This hasn’t been discussed…..probably because it didn’t need to be. Do you know for sure that Trubisky even invited him? Are you certain that DJ hadn’t already committed to working out with Jones. I’m certain all plans were in place before DH was tragically killed.

Ben got his OL together in the off season. If one of them had chosen to work with their college coaches or former teammates, would that have spoken piss poorly of them.

[dislocatedday]

Rumor now confirmed: DJ will be traded to the Taperiots for their R2 pick.

Source: TapesDidntCheet247 on Twitter

If this ends up being true, I can't say I am happy about.........but I also understand it. DJ likely wants maximum $$$ he can get on this 2nd contract and is likely not going to take a "hometown discount", and some team is probably willing to give him close to $20M annual average. The Steelers likely are not willing to go that high, which I completely understand also. Trading him for a Rd 2 pick may be about the best the Steelers can do at this point, unless they want to hang on to him for a year then let him walk and get a comp pick.

It's been discussed elsewhere, but there seems to be a greater supply of quality NFL ready receivers coming into the league every year. It's a position teams should be able to address and replenish through the draft.

[Hawkman]

Rumor now confirmed: DJ will be traded to the Taperiots for their R2 pick.

Source: TapesDidntCheet247 on Twitter

Link?!?:heh::heh:

[RunNGun]

This a non issue. People like to assume that Trubisky already has the job locked up and that players should rally behind him. News flash...Trubisky will NOT be handed the job. He isn't QB1 yet and there will be a competition for that spot.

No one knows exactly what the Steelers plan is at QB right now, so DJ going to catch passes from Mac Jones means absolutely nothing and I don't blame him one bit for it.

[Born2Steel]

Maybe just my thoughts here...Trubisky wasn't brought in to actually compete with Rudolph for the starting QB job. Trubisky was brought in to start and let Rudolph step up and try to take that job. So I get it why Rudolph declined the invite to go to the workout.

I wonder if DJ and Mac Jones had some chemistry during Probowl week and decided to hang out in the offseason. I have no problem with that on the surface. I do have a problem with a contract year player doing his offseason work with another team. That's what this was. It was not just DJ and Jones, it was the Patriots players' workout. And DJ went there instead of with his team. I stand with DS on this one, DJ's stock is way down with me currently.

[lipps83]

Raymond Berry used to have his wife throw passes to him so he knew how to catch some really bad throws.

I wonder if any Colts fans ever bitched about him having her throw to him instead of his QB while he was making his HoF speech?

Who really cares as long as he is trying to become a better player?

This doesn't make him a poor teammate. This makes him someone that is trying to improve.

[DesertSteel]

It was what...like 36 hours? Plus....no one is gonna remember that whole thing now.

I think it was basically Friday and that's it?

If you want to search for things to get mad about...this qualifies. But in 3 weeks, 3 months, etc. This isn't gonna matter to anyone.

These workouts are basically team-building and social media stunts. No one has ever won a SB and been like, "Those 3 back shoulder fades we threw last April between selfies, beer, and wings in this dude's backyard were really the difference."
I suppose we should be talking about another meaningless mock draft instead of an actual off-season workout. Tom Brady seemed to think those off-season workouts and get togethers were pretty important when he showed up in Tampa Bay. Anyway, DJ is setting up a contract stalemate whether you see it or not.

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Link?!?:heh::heh:
I think he was joking.

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Maybe just my thoughts here...Trubisky wasn't brought in to actually compete with Rudolph for the starting QB job. Trubisky was brought in to start and let Rudolph step up and try to take that job. So I get it why Rudolph declined the invite to go to the workout.

I wonder if DJ and Mac Jones had some chemistry during Probowl week and decided to hang out in the offseason. I have no problem with that on the surface. I do have a problem with a contract year player doing his offseason work with another team. That's what this was. It was not just DJ and Jones, it was the Patriots players' workout. And DJ went there instead of with his team. I stand with DS on this one, DJ's stock is way down with me currently.
Exactly.

[EzraTank]

Holy crap guys it's APRIL, before the draft. Lighten up Francis this means nothing. They both are from Florida and probably just wanted to work out together.

[RunNGun]

Gotta disagree here. Do a little research on this. Players work out with the opposition all the time. AB used to work out with Kirk Cousins. Maybe DJ trains at the same facility? Maybe Mac and DJ are simply friends?

Also, Mason Rudolph was in attendance at the same workout. It's a total non issue.

[DesertSteel]

Gotta disagree here. Do a little research on this. Players work out with the opposition all the time. AB used to work out with Kirk Cousins. Maybe DJ trains at the same facility? Maybe Mac and DJ are simply friends?

Also, Mason Rudolph was in attendance at the same workout. It's a total non issue.
Yeah it’s common knowledge that players workout with other team’s players. No research needed. It’s also a bad indicator when you pick the Patriots QB over your new QB.

[Mojouw]

This “missed” workout is not what’s setting up a contract stalemate.

That would be the calendar and 195 receptions in the last 31 games.

DJ could move in with a member of the Rooney family. But, unless the Steelers agree to pay DJ several dump trucks full of money, there’s going to be a protracted contract stand-off.

[El-Gonzo Jackson]

Too early to read anything into this, IMO.

Rather than give this subject any more attention, I am gonna do what DJ would and "just drop it".

[Steeler-in-west]

regardless, he's not a number one receiver, and he doesn't have half the reliability of AB. Too many drops or miscommunications in crucial situations for me to be high on him. Hoping for a wr in the top 3 rounds and a FA pickup or off the waiver wire.

[86WARD]

How does anyone know that DJ didn’t have prior commitments that were geographically closer to Mac Jones than Florida?

[Born2Steel]

How does anyone know that DJ didn’t have prior commitments that were geographically closer to Mac Jones than Florida?

The workouts with the Patriots were in Florida as well.

[86WARD]

The workouts with the Patriots were in Florida as well.

Same area? Florida is pretty big…

[RunNGun]

Yeah it’s common knowledge that players workout with other team’s players. No research needed. It’s also a bad indicator when you pick the Patriots QB over your new QB.

Mason Rudolph was also there working out with DJ. It's a non issue. Players will probably be more loyal to Rudolph until Mitch proves he's the man.

[DesertSteel]

Mason Rudolph was also there working out with DJ. It's a non issue. Players will probably be more loyal to Rudolph until Mitch proves he's the man.
Well all I said was his stock is down with me. For you it’s a non issue. For me, it’s stock down. Plus he’s not worth the $20 million a year he’s gonna want. Draft his replacement.

[RunNGun]

Well all I said was his stock is down with me. For you it’s a non issue. For me, it’s stock down. Plus he’s not worth the $20 million a year he’s gonna want. Draft his replacement.

That's fair

[Fire Goodell]

Rumor now confirmed: DJ will be traded to the Taperiots for their R2 pick.

Source: TapesDidntCheet247 on Twitter

:chuckle:

[Dwinsgames]

Rumor now confirmed: DJ will be traded to the Taperiots for their R2 pick.

Source: TapesDidntCheet247 on Twitter

BillICheat is tampering they say

[teegre]

BillICheat is tampering they say

BucsSince2020 agrees completely. :nod:

(that there’s cheating involved)

[hawaiiansteeler]

BucsSince2020 agrees completely. :nod:

(that there’s cheating involved)

this was confirmed by:

@#PetePriscoHorseF*cker

[teegre]

this was confirmed by:

@#PetePriscoHorseF*cker

Bwahahaha :applaudit: WINNER!!!

[DesertSteel]

Now DJ is absent from the team voluntary workouts. But I'm sure that means nothing too. Come TC when he's a no-show, that won't mean anything either.

[Dwinsgames]

Now DJ is absent from the team voluntary workouts. But I'm sure that means nothing too. Come TC when he's a no-show, that won't mean anything either.

almost nothing would please me more than trading him during the draft ...... sorry I just do not like the guy and that is reason enough for me

[teegre]

DJ wanted 5 years/$75 million

Other receivers got monster deals

Receivers from DJ’s draft class are currently negotiating new deals

DJ now (reportedly) wants 5 years/$90 million

[DesertSteel]

DJ wanted 5 years/$75 million

Other receivers got monster deals

Receivers from DJ’s draft class are currently negotiating new deals

DJ now (reportedly) wants 5 years/$90 million

He's not worth that kind of money. But I also believe the D. Adams and the others weren't worth anywhere near what they got paid.

[teegre]

He's not worth that kind of money. But I also believe the D. Adams and the others weren't worth anywhere near what they got paid.

Then you won’t like this…

SPORTAC suggests DJ deserves: 4 years/$90 million

It will be interesting to see what Deebo gets. Same draft class. DJ has had more career receptions, yards, and TDs… although Deebo had more receiving yards (plus his rushing yards) last season.

Oh, the biggest similarity: Deebo led the NFL in drop-rate (11%… compared to DJ’s 3% drop-rate).

[Mojouw]

The market is what the market is. DJ would get those kinda contract #'s if he was on the FA market. Not his or the Steelers fault the market went bonkers.

I think all these guys (Scary Terry, AJ Brown, Deebo, DJ, Metcalf, etc) are all going to sit out. Then after the draft, the dust will settle and extensions will start coming out. Those extensions will help calibrate DJ's "value".

[DesertSteel]

The market is what the market is. DJ would get those kinda contract #'s if he was on the FA market. Not his or the Steelers fault the market went bonkers.

I think all these guys (Scary Terry, AJ Brown, Deebo, DJ, Metcalf, etc) are all going to sit out. Then after the draft, the dust will settle and extensions will start coming out. Those extensions will help calibrate DJ's "value".
Yep. And by then the Steelers will have already drafted his replacement.

[Mojouw]

Yep. And by then the Steelers will have already drafted his replacement.
Potentially.

It really doesn't matter. They can push that a year if they want...DJ can be as unhappy as he wants to be about the reality of how underpaid he is. But he is under contract for one more year.

If I was Diontae, I would do everything I could to force my way out of town. His ideal scenario would be to get traded on draft day to somewhere with a better QB situation than he has had the past few years. Bet on himself to put up Tecmo Bowl numbers and then get handed a bag full of cash in 2023.

However, the Steelers are not morons...so the chances of that happening are fairly slim. Unless there is a team interested enough in one year of DJ to include him in a trade up scenario.

[86WARD]

DJ doesn’t have the consistency or sustainability to put up Tecmo Bowl numbers…even with Rodgers as his QB.

He has the talent, just doesn’t always show it…

[Mojouw]

DJ doesn’t have the consistency or sustainability to put up Tecmo Bowl numbers…even with Rodgers as his QB.

He has the talent, just doesn’t always show it…

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/receiving.htm

Top 10 with a broken down QB in a barely functional offense.

While he might be a petulant man-baby, DJ can ball.

[86WARD]

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2021/receiving.htm

Top 10 with a broken down QB in a barely functional offense.

While he might be a petulant man-baby, DJ can ball.

He can ball when he wants to and when he’s one of the only viable targets at that position.

[Mojouw]

He can ball when he wants to and when he’s one of the only viable targets at that position.
As opposed to the other top WRs that flourish in systems where there is a multitude of elite options?

DJ sees the ball a ton because he is always open. He is a good enough route runner and technician that he can get open without scheme assistance. He also only needs a small window of separation to make the catch.

Is he a perfect player? Nope. But the skillset he possess is super duper valuable in the NFL and he's gonna get paid somewhere.

[Fire Goodell]

My opinion might not be popular but I say pay him. He's the best receiver we have, and also with losing Juju and Washington, the WR room is thin. We can't afford to lose our best WR

[86WARD]

As opposed to the other top WRs that flourish in systems where there is a multitude of elite options?

DJ sees the ball a ton because he is always open. He is a good enough route runner and technician that he can get open without scheme assistance. He also only needs a small window of separation to make the catch.

Is he a perfect player? Nope. But the skillset he possess is super duper valuable in the NFL and he's gonna get paid somewhere.

Of course he’s going to get paid and if I were the Steelers, I would pay him. I agree with everything you say…I’ll also say I was the first one here in one of the game day threads that said he had AB potential…BUT…he’s not consistent and that’s the difference between him and the elite. Very, very good…yes. Elite? Not consistent enough.

[Born2Steel]

This thread started out talking about DJ working out with the Patriots instead of the Steelers in Florida and how we 'felt' about that. Now we're talking about something completely different about him getting a new contract. The Steelers don't do a lot of second contracts with skills players. They just haven't. I think they will get a deal worked out with DJ though so that both parties are happy with the numbers. 86 brings up a valid point about consistency, but can you name one thing DJ doesn't do well as a WR? He's improved with each season as well.

[SteelMember]

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[BlackAndGold]

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[Mojouw]

Of course he’s going to get paid and if I were the Steelers, I would pay him. I agree with everything you say…I’ll also say I was the first one here in one of the game day threads that said he had AB potential…BUT…he’s not consistent and that’s the difference between him and the elite. Very, very good…yes. Elite? Not consistent enough.
So he gets 18 million per year instead of 20?

I am not disagree with your consistency point, but what does that result in?

[86WARD]

So he gets 18 million per year instead of 20?

I am not disagree with your consistency point, but what does that result in?

$45-$48-$50M guaranteed over 4. He should get Keenan Allen type money. Not elite but very good.

[Mojouw]

$45-$48-$50M guaranteed over 4. He should get Keenan Allen type money. Not elite but very good.

6 months ago that would’ve been a good comparison. Then the WR market went stupid crazy bonkers.

Not that long ago Spotrac or whatever had DJ as like a 15 million player. Now he’s a 22 million player. He’s not played a single snap between those two valuations. But Diggs and Mike Williams signed new contracts and the market reset.

[86WARD]

6 months ago that would’ve been a good comparison. Then the WR market went stupid crazy bonkers.

Not that long ago Spotrac or whatever had DJ as like a 15 million player. Now he’s a 22 million player. He’s not played a single snap between those two valuations. But Diggs and Mike Williams signed new contracts and the market reset.

He’s not a $22M/year guaranteed player. Not even remotely close. Sure you can make a contract look like he’s a $22M/year player but most of those contracts are just fake to start with. He’s not more than. A $50M guaranteed player. He’s just not.

[Mojouw]

He’s not a $22M/year guaranteed player. Not even remotely close. Sure you can make a contract look like he’s a $22M/year player but most of those contracts are just fake to start with. He’s not more than. A $50M guaranteed player. He’s just not.

DJ’s agent is going to pull out the contracts that DJ Moore and Mike Williams got and go from there. I have no idea what the split between funny money and guaranteed moolah will be. But the average annual vale will be somewhere between 18-22 million per year.

The “market rate” numbers most sites and posters use are average yearly value not guaranteed cash. Guaranteed is too hard to project. A team could lower the average annual value by guaranteeing more. Or the other way around. Or play around with years and guaranteed cash. Whatever. But the “average value” figure is a bit more orojectable and comparable.

[teegre]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=9vQaVIoEjOM

[Dreegking]

Relax. So e times it’s as simple as staying near where they are. Being near is often the most important thing. Developing the off season ritual or being near a trainer, family. Etc. Is huge too. Your thoughts on this are hyperbolic ballyhoo.

[DesertSteel]

Relax. So e times it’s as simple as staying near where they are. Being near is often the most important thing. Developing the off season ritual or being near a trainer, family. Etc. Is huge too. Your thoughts on this are hyperbolic ballyhoo.
English is a good language.

[Dwinsgames]

English is a good language.

Truth

[HollywoodSteel]

I don’t quite get all the DJ hate. Is it because he’s not as good as AB was in Pittsburgh? Is it because he worked really hard last offseason to cut down on the drops and as a result still had a 3% drop rate?

Sure he’s made a few unfortunate mistakes at crucial times, but so did Juju. So do a lot of young players who get better every single year.

I know this thread has strayed a bit from the OP about working out with the Patriots’ QB. But I see that as nothing but a plus. DJ will have plenty of scheduled practices with our QBs. I’d rather he be using this time to get as much intel about an enemy’s tendencies as possible. You guys are playing checkers while DJ is playing chess. :)

[Dwinsgames]

DJ is on his way out of town in 2023 , we have drafted his replacement and next year we will likely draft 1 more

[DesertSteel]

Only the wannabes are paying $25M a year for WRs.

[86WARD]

Diontae Johnson no-showed a youth football camp that charged $125 to participate.

[Edman]

DJ is a considerably worse AB. AB changed games and was worth the headache until he wasn't.

So far, DJ's main body of work is dropping passes, getting out-muscled by DB's and waving for flag, and too many mental mistakes. He was absolutely useless in the Chiefs playoff game. Some WR-starved team will overpay for him next offseason.

[DesertSteel]

DJ had 107 catches and 5 drops. He’s not all-pro but he’s not the pedestrian some of you want to make him out to be. He’s also not worth $17-20M, but I don’t think many are.

[Born2Steel]

Diontae Johnson no-showed a youth football camp that charged $125 to participate.


Reported he had a flight run late. Also reported he's doing a free camp for the families that paid for the one he missed. I don't know, just passing on what I read on the interweb.

[Hawkman]

Diontae Johnson no-showed a youth football camp that charged $125 to participate.

What? Just an off season opportunity to dump on him? How come?

[fansince'76]

DJ is a considerably worse AB.

The vast majority of WRs are. After all, before he went completely batshit insane, AB was not only the best WR in the NFL by a pretty good margin to any objective observer, he was also beginning to be put in Jerry Rice territory by many.

Frankly, I consider Claypool to be a much bigger disappointment than DJ thus far. The guy is 6'4", but he plays like he's 5'6". Softer than homemade ice cream...

[Fire Goodell]

AB without the distractions would be a first-ballot hall of famer. Comparing almost any WR to him would be a disappointment

[RunNGun]

The vast majority of WRs are. After all, before he went completely batshit insane, AB was not only the best WR in the NFL by a pretty good margin to any objective observer, he was also beginning to be put in Jerry Rice territory by many.

Frankly, I consider Claypool to be a much bigger disappointment than DJ thus far. The guy is 6'4", but he plays like he's 5'6". Softer than homemade ice cream...

Agreed

[86WARD]

The vast majority of WRs are. After all, before he went completely batshit insane, AB was not only the best WR in the NFL by a pretty good margin to any objective observer, he was also beginning to be put in Jerry Rice territory by many.

Frankly, I consider Claypool to be a much bigger disappointment than DJ thus far. The guy is 6'4", but he plays like he's 5'6". Softer than homemade ice cream...

Almost agree 100%. I don’t see Claypool as a disappointment yet…he’s been frustrating but not sure how much that was Chase, how much that was Ben or how much that was the offense. If we see him not getting separation and constantly being challenged, diving, etc on routes this season, he will hit that disappointment level for me…

[Mojouw]

Claypool still is a tantalizing player. I know everyone is grumpy about the spike and all that...but he dominated that Vikings game in a way we haven't seen a Steelers WR do in some time. That guy is uncoverable and is basically open all the time against everyone. The guy that shows up other weeks is just kinda

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[fansince'76]

My problem with Claypool thus far is that he should physically dominate DBs who are two heads shorter than he is and take balls away from them consistently but he doesn't. Hopefully he will develop a "mean streak."

Ideally, I'd like to see him develop into Larry Fitzgerald circa 2008 or a reasonable facsimile thereof. Just throw it up there and let him take it away from everyone else.

[86WARD]

My problem with Claypool thus far is that he should physically dominate DBs who are two heads shorter than he is and take balls away from them consistently but he doesn't. Hopefully he will develop a "mean streak."

Ideally, I'd like to see him develop into Larry Fitzgerald circa 2008 or a reasonable facsimile thereof. Just throw it up there and let him take it away from everyone else.

Agree. For me it’s frustrating…

[teegre]

DJ has better stats than Terry McLaurin. A few months ago, people balked when DJ asked for $15 million a year… well, DJ isn’t going to take (or be offered) less than $20 million per season. Enjoy him (or hate him) while it lasts.

btw: There is a RUMOR out there that the Bears will trade “Robert Quinn & a R2 pick” for DJ. I’d take that in a millisecond.

As good (IMO) as DJ is, he’s NOT returning to the Steelers. At most we’d get a R3 comp pick. I’d make the trade straight up for a R2 pick. When you add on getting Quinn (and his 18 sacks :scared:)… it is simply too good to be true.

[DesertSteel]

The WR market is super inflated. DJ isn't worth 20 but neither are any of the top 5 worth 30. It's too easy to replace with with a R1-2 rookie. Smart teams will pass on this market, like the Packers and Chiefs did. The Steelers will also pass on a 20+ WR.