Browns brass shitting thier pants right about now

[Dwinsgames]

Second grand jury considering criminal complaint against Browns QB Deshaun Watson
https://www.nfl.com/news/second-grand-jury-considering-criminal-complaint-against-browns-qb-deshaun-watso

[DesertSteel]

It would be too rich if this all blew up in the Brown’s face. It would be the highlight of the off-season for me.

[T&B fan]

same old Browns , same old Browns

[86WARD]

Not if they were smart enough to put a clause in that contract…

[Dwinsgames]

Not if they were smart enough to put a clause in that contract…

if its claused it wouldn't truly be fully guaranteed then would it ?

[86WARD]

if its claused it wouldn't truly be fully guaranteed then would it ?

I’m sure all of these contracts have some sort of legality in them that gets teams out from under the money if the players commit some sort of act. Nothing is truly guaranteed…however, where the team might save the actual money, the same can’t be said for the cap hits.

[Dwinsgames]

I’m sure all of these contracts have some sort of legality in them that gets teams out from under the money if the players commit some sort of act. Nothing is truly guaranteed…however, where the team might save the actual money, the same can’t be said for the cap hits.

maybe ... but this might fall into the category of pre existing condition lol

they knew going in its not a new act its one they has knowledge of prior to signing him

[86WARD]

maybe ... but this might fall into the category of pre existing condition lol

they knew going in its not a new act its one they has knowledge of prior to signing him

So you would think they took proper precautions…right?

[Dwinsgames]

So you would think they took proper precautions…right?

if they can ... have to remember they were desperate to get him to agree to the trade , they have already pissed off baker whom they were obligated to the fully guaranteed 5th year option

[Mojouw]

So you would think they took proper precautions…right?

Unless there’s a “secret” part of the contract, the Browns don’t have this protected.

That’s the “tax” they paid to go from eliminated from the Watson derby to the “winners”.

[steelreserve]

Yeah, I heard all those guys had diarrhea.

They're probably sweating it out over whether that guy can play or not, too.

[fansince'76]

The Browns "braintrust" (if Watson goes down)...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_oM2In1OTw

[tube517]

Dumbass Stains

[Edman]

232 million GUARANTEED.

[Fire Goodell]

lol

[EzraTank]

Please, lord let this GJ find him guilty. I would love to see the Browns have to eat $232 million in salary, lose all those picks and be stuck with Brisset as their starter.

[86WARD]

Please, lord let this GJ find him guilty. I would love to see the Browns have to eat $232 million in salary, lose all those picks and be stuck with Brisset as their starter.

I believe it’s already been thrown out.

[Fire Goodell]

Please, lord let this GJ find him guilty. I would love to see the Browns have to eat $232 million in salary, lose all those picks and be stuck with Brisset as their starter.

It'd be not a catastrophe if they had Baker Mayfield to fall back on, buuuut........ Browns gonna brown :chuckle:

Maybe they should try signing AB next

[Born2Steel]

Just a question....22 people saying he did this, 1 person saying he didn't do this. On the assumption he's actually guilty of what he's being accused of by the 22 that didn't 'consent', how many DID consent for him to strike out that many times and keep trying?

[86WARD]

So they have until the week of July 4th. After that, Watson gets to play the full 2022 season and if a decision comes down, he could be suspended for 2023 games?

[Dwinsgames]

24th lawsuit filed .......................... the list that never ends

[DesertSteel]

Browns be the Browns...

[Fire Goodell]

dude coulda just went to legal houses in reno but eh lol

[Dwinsgames]

dude coulda just went to legal houses in reno but eh lol

or the local truck stop , where lizards are plentiful

[teegre]

Who could have seen this coming???

I mean… besides those 24 women.

[T&B fan]

dude coulda just went to legal houses in reno but eh lol

yup .. but its about power over the woman .

[EzraTank]

So glad we didn't get this POS.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34054310/cleveland-browns-qb-deshaun-watson-saw-least-66-massage-therapists-17-month-period-report-says

No way this is a money grab. One or two maybe but 66?? This guy is a grade A scumbag predator. I just cannot understand it either. He's got millions, hire an escort who is WILLING to take money for it. But to show up at a massage and have the therapist sign a Non-Disclosure-Agreement ... that's creepy. And to have the Texans give him that NDA ... my God the red flags here are ridiculous. I hope these women turn and sue the Texans next.

But in the end the NFL will give him an 8-12 game suspension and say, "He's really really sorry, nothing to see here, wow did you see that TD pass," and he'll be back playing in time for Thanksgiving!

[86WARD]

I call bullshit. 66 people don’t show up until now? 66…I’m sure some of this is true and legit, but 66 and not one said anything until now? Suspicious…

Also about the suspension. Reports are if it’s not done by July 4, he plays all 2022 and the suspension wouldn’t be until 2023.

[Born2Steel]

Seriously, Watson's career could be over. If anywhere near this number of victims is true it becomes habitual and not something he would/could just stop.

[Edman]

Was it worth alienating Baker Mayfield over this?

[EzraTank]

I call bullshit. 66 people don’t show up until now? 66…I’m sure some of this is true and legit, but 66 and not one said anything until now? Suspicious…

Also about the suspension. Reports are if it’s not done by July 4, he plays all 2022 and the suspension wouldn’t be until 2023.

The story is saying these extra people weren't originally involved because of the NDA agreements.

[tube517]

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[86WARD]

The story is saying these extra people weren't originally involved because of the NDA agreements.

So 42 people didn’t say anything because of an NDA? Lol. I think the criminal activity/legal issues might trump an NDA.

[Orion]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-fJCiERppo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0K_aLtUyp4

[Orion]

you just know Baker is loving this shit ...:sofunny:

[EzraTank]

So 42 people didn’t say anything because of an NDA? Lol. I think the criminal activity/legal issues might trump an NDA.

I'm just saying what the article said. It is today's journalism so I would not be surprised if it was filled with holes and post millennial logic.

[EzraTank]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0K_aLtUyp4

LOL, the best comment from this video on YT:


The Browns have had at least 66 quarterbacks and have never received a "happy ending".

[Fire Goodell]

The Browns have had at least 66 quarterbacks and have never received a "happy ending".

:chuckle:

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Watson better get suspended for an entire season if Ben got suspended for 4 games just for scoring with a chick in a bathroom stall

[EzraTank]

:chuckle:

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Watson better get suspended for an entire season if Ben got suspended for 4 games just for scoring with a chick in a bathroom stall

Personally if all 66 are true he should never see another snap in the NFL, but we all know unless you beat your girl (ON VIDEO) you'll be back.

[86WARD]

Personally if all 66 are true he should never see another snap in the NFL, but we all know unless you beat your girl (ON VIDEO) you'll be back.

Even then…it’s possible you can return to the NFL.

[dislocatedday]

The Browns and their owner in particular have royally screwed up with Watson and their $230 million guaranteed. They may eat all of this, and they will also never get those draft picks back that they gave Houston.

I also am flabbergasted that they gave David Njoku a 4 year $56 million contract this offseason. On what planet is Njoku worth $14 million per season based on his production over the last 5 years?

[Hawkman]

The Browns and their owner in particular have royally screwed up with Watson and their $230 million guaranteed. They may eat all of this, and they will also never get those draft picks back that they gave Houston.

I also am flabbergasted that they gave David Njoku a 4 year $56 million contract this offseason. On what planet is Njoku worth $14 million per season based on his production over the last 5 years?

You are talking about the same team that drafted Johnny Manziel…….in the first round.

[Fire Goodell]

You are talking about the same team that drafted Johnny Manziel…….in the first round.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-yRd5m95ZBJA/VBYrXeL_JlI/AAAAAAAAZrs/NIWDyBwlC4Y/s1600/Thonny%2Bfootball%2Bthucks!.jpg

[Dwinsgames]

Even then…it’s possible you can return to the NFL.


See kareem Hunt oh yeah and he is a brown too.........

[j-d-s]

The Browns could sign Bell and AB just to get their team full of more characters of that type. Or even Pac Man Jones and Burfict.

[86WARD]

The Browns could sign Bell and AB just to get their team full of more characters of that type. Or even Pac Man Jones and Burfict.

How is Bell “that type”?

[Fire Goodell]

How is Bell “that type”?

Yeah as much as I dislike Bell, he wasn't a total idiot off the field on the same scale as AB. Can't blame him for trying to get that money, cause he was paying child support for like 6 different women lol

[steelreserve]

Bell had a very high opinion of himself and smoked weed at stupid times, but I don't think it was anything like some of these clowns.

Then again, with the particular way he went about things, it actually would have had less negative impact on the team if he'd just gotten himself suspended for a whole season, so fuck him.

[fansince'76]

Bell had a very high opinion of himself and smoked weed at stupid times, but I don't think it was anything like some of these clowns.

Indeed. Another big part of Bell's problem was the outsized influence his blithering idiot of an agent had on him - the same agent who holds the batshit crazy view of the player/team NFL employment dynamic being roughly equivalent to the slave/plantation dynamic of the antebellum South and who conducted negotiations in that light as well as filling his clients' heads (including Bell) with that ridiculous bullshit.

[j-d-s]

How is Bell “that type”?
All of them are idiots. Of course there are differences in detail... Burfict deliberately tried to hurt players multiple times, which the other three didn't (or only rarely). Bell didn't have as much antics but holding out a full year to go to the Jets (for what we would have paid him) is still idiocy.

[86WARD]

All of them are idiots. Of course there are differences in detail... Burfict deliberately tried to hurt players multiple times, which the other three didn't (or only rarely). Bell didn't have as much antics but holding out a full year to go to the Jets (for what we would have paid him) is still idiocy.

Correct. That was just dumb and a bad call on his part. But he’s far from AB levels.

[Hawkman]

Correct. That was just dumb and a bad call on his part. But he’s far from AB levels.

Yes! I will always question his decisions, but as far as a team player, he was all in. He would never get another OL that worked with his running style like he did with the Steelers. So …..I would never put Bell in that category. I liked him as a Steelers, and wish he had stayed a Steelers.

[EzraTank]

Okay fellows, this thread is going off course ... let's get back to talking about how stupid the Browns (not Antonio) are!

:tt02:

[Hawkman]

Okay fellows, this thread is going off course ... let's get back to talking about how stupid the Browns (not Antonio) are!

:tt02:

WHY??:chuckle:

[Fire Goodell]

Okay fellows, this thread is going off course ... let's get back to talking about how stupid the Browns (not Antonio) are!

:tt02:

The Browns suck! better? :chuckle:

[Fire Goodell]

Report: NFL Will Likely Target One-Year Suspension for Browns' QB Deshaun Watson

Oh my :chuckle: Almost nothing would make me happier than to see all that guaranteed money go down the drain for Cleveland.

https://steelersdepot.com/2022/06/report-nfl-will-likely-target-one-year-suspension-for-browns-qb-deshaun-watson/

[86WARD]

Baker Mayfield…lol.

[Mojouw]

And all that cheese is guaranteed.

Someone needs to get fired over this. The morality of it all can be packed up and set aside for a moment.

The Browns leadership team claimed they talked to “everyone” and were confident it was good to go.

Clearly they talked to not everyone.

Almost certainly someone wasn’t willing to tell the owner “no”.

[Born2Steel]

Couldn't happen to a better owner.

[Mojouw]

Couldn't happen to a better owner.

Agreed.

There’s a version of this where the outcome just sets the Browns back years.

And that’d be one of the biggest self-owns by an NFL owner in a long time.

Can’t wait to see how this shakes out.

[Dwinsgames]

Even then…it’s possible you can return to the NFL.

it is .... but one would have to wonder what kind of player he would be 2 years removed from his last meaningful snap ( I mean he didn't play a down in 2021 and is suspended entire 2022 ,he very well could be a changed player unworthy of that kind of contract and maybe unworthy of even starting )

[86WARD]

it is .... but one would have to wonder what kind of player he would be 2 years removed from his last meaningful snap ( I mean he didn't play a down in 2021 and is suspended entire 2022 ,he very well could be a changed player unworthy of that kind of contract and maybe unworthy of even starting )

Absolutely. Being removed two years is huge. He can be “in shape” but he’s not in playing shape…far from it.

It’s possible though…a few players have done it and played well. Deion Sanders, Ricky Williams are two I can remember who did well. I think Randy Moss was one too but he wasn’t that productive.

[DesertSteel]

Age also has something to do with it. I doubt the "being in shape" thing will have much to do with it, given his age. But how does all this affect him between the ears? Let's hope he's mentally weak.

[tube517]

Cleveland doing Cleveland things.

[Born2Steel]

Class matters.

[j-d-s]

Cleveland doing Cleveland things.
They always find ways to lose. Lose games, money, players (to suspension). It's just the DNA of their franchise.

[SteelMember]

Browns Trade Baker Mayfield to Panthers (https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers/news/cleveland-browns-trade-baker-mayfield-carolina-panthers)

The trade sends Mayfield to the Panthers in exchange for 2024 conditional fifth-round pick. Carolina and Cleveland will split Mayfield's salary this season, and the quarterback has agreed to cut out $3.5 million from his season total, according to NFL Network.


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[86WARD]

Sam Darnold is available for those that were interested in that slop last season…

[Fire Goodell]

Sam Darnold is available for those that were interested in that slop last season…

Sam "Seeing Ghosts" Darnold? No thanks. Wasn't interested then and certainly not now.

[86WARD]

Sam "Seeing Ghosts" Darnold? No thanks. Wasn't interested then and certainly not now.

Nor should you be…lol

[Orion]

could the panthers convince pete carrol to make a similiar deal for Darnold ? seattle needs another turd in the punch bowl. drew lock and geno smith ? http://www.steelersuniverse.com/forums/images/smilies/horror.gif

[teegre]

I can think of 1 or 2 reasons that the Browns wouldn’t want Baker on their team… but, it’s not like I can think of 66 reasons.

[tube517]

Stains got a 5th round pick for Baker Manziel? :rofl2:

[tube517]

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/292301438_10224100415631456_8237789372541068728_n. jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5cd70e&_nc_ohc=ra_th6RGePgAX_uKfee&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=00_AT_GN-sjuIE0CYFcivUDGkiZqTeWBRRkd2bj0ftuLt-xpA&oe=62CB6E65

[Born2Steel]

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/292301438_10224100415631456_8237789372541068728_n. jpg?_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5cd70e&_nc_ohc=ra_th6RGePgAX_uKfee&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=00_AT_GN-sjuIE0CYFcivUDGkiZqTeWBRRkd2bj0ftuLt-xpA&oe=62CB6E65

If Brissett means fewer turnovers he could be a huge upgrade actually. Injured Baker tried to make plays he just wasn't able to make and hurt his team instead. Brissett might be formidable in Cleveland.

[Born2Steel]

There's a Steelers Depot article about the Browns might bring in Jimmy G is Watson gets a big suspension. How much QB money would that add up to all together? Just keep digging. There's gotta be a pony in here somewhere.

[Edman]

To think just a little over a year ago the Browns were celebrating their first playoff win in 26 years and returning a roster with all of their starters. The arrow was pointing up, but Browns gonna Brown.

[Crow-Magnon]

To think just a little over a year ago the Browns were celebrating their first playoff win in 26 years and returning a roster with all of their starters. The arrow was pointing up, but Browns gonna Brown.

God, that is so true! The Factory of Sadness rears its ugly head once again.

Was Mayfield a great, top-tier NFL QB? No. Was he good enough to win games? Yes. What a nice reward for a QB who finally gets you back to the post-season. The Browns ownership are like a kid who drops one gift just to snatch at another he thinks may be better. I hope they go 0-17 lol.

[86WARD]

God, that is so true! The Factory of Sadness rears its ugly head once again.

Was Mayfield a great, top-tier NFL QB? No. Was he good enough to win games? Yes. What a nice reward for a QB who finally gets you back to the post-season. The Browns ownership are like a kid who drops one gift just to snatch at another he thinks may be better. I hope they go 0-17 lol.

I’d love to see Mayfield succeed with the Panthers. Also would love to see him moving into a “new home with Baker Mayfield”.

[Born2Steel]

How much is Baker getting paid by the Browns week1 to try to beat them? Something like $500K? And I do think it will be Baker. If the Panthers thought it could be Darnold they probably wouldn't have drafted Corral or traded for Baker. I don't think the Panthers have anyone on their defense that can tackle the Browns RBs so I would take the Browns to win as of today, but both team's starting QBs will be on the Browns' payroll. Hilarious!

[DuckHodges]

Browns gonna brown!

[Dwinsgames]

Ben got 6 games reduced to 4 for 2 claims that never seen charges or a grand jury , 1 with a drunk woman who later didnt wanna own her drunken decisions and one with a woman who was likely scorned because she had dinner with him the Night AFTER it supposedly happened ( who does that ?? ) .... IMO this should be a lifetime ban or at the very least 2 years (in addition to the year he took off as a Texan)

It was announced on June 21 that Watson had reached confidential settlements (https://www.nfl.com/news/browns-qb-deshaun-watson-settles-20-of-24-lawsuits-alleging-sexual-misconduct) with 20 of the 24 women who have filed civil lawsuits alleging he committed sexual misconduct.

Buzbee said in his Friday statement that the four remaining cases against Watson will continue.




now the Texans settle with all the plaintiffs ..... so some rich "massage therapists" laying err running around down in Houston ...

https://www.nfl.com/news/texans-reach-settlements-on-claims-against-team-regarding-deshaun-watson-allegat

[86WARD]

Ben got 6 games reduced to 4 for 2 claims that never seen charges or a grand jury , 1 with a drunk woman who later didnt wanna own her drunken decisions and one with a woman who was likely scorned because she had dinner with him the Night AFTER it supposedly happened ( who does that ?? ) .... IMO this should be a lifetime ban or at the very least 2 years (in addition to the year he took off as a Texan)

It was announced on June 21 that Watson had reached confidential settlements (https://www.nfl.com/news/browns-qb-deshaun-watson-settles-20-of-24-lawsuits-alleging-sexual-misconduct) with 20 of the 24 women who have filed civil lawsuits alleging he committed sexual misconduct.

Buzbee said in his Friday statement that the four remaining cases against Watson will continue.




now the Texans settle with all the plaintiffs ..... so some rich "massage therapists" laying err running around down in Houston ...

https://www.nfl.com/news/texans-reach-settlements-on-claims-against-team-regarding-deshaun-watson-allegat

It’s a lot easier to take the no charge and pay a couple bucks that they can afford than to risk a fuck up by a judge, jury, lawyer and be charged guilty. Sometimes the easiest is pay to go away…regardless of the truth.

[DesertSteel]

It’s a lot easier to take the no charge and pay a couple bucks that they can afford than to risk a fuck up by a judge, jury, lawyer and be charged guilty. Sometimes the easiest is pay to go away…regardless of the truth.
The problem for Watson is that when you pay out you don’t get to control the narrative.

[86WARD]

The problem for Watson is that when you pay out you don’t get to control the narrative.

That’s really the case with anyone that pays out. You don’t control the narrative but the problem disappears faster than if you draw it out and then are found guilty.

[DuckHodges]

Ben got 6 games reduced to 4 for 2 claims that never seen charges or a grand jury , 1 with a drunk woman who later didnt wanna own her drunken decisions and one with a woman who was likely scorned because she had dinner with him the Night AFTER it supposedly happened ( who does that ?? ) .... IMO this should be a lifetime ban or at the very least 2 years (in addition to the year he took off as a Texan)

Ben's only crime was fucking with a sub-5 chick when he's a celebrity, I was like come on man, seriously

[DesertSteel]

That’s really the case with anyone that pays out. You don’t control the narrative but the problem disappears faster than if you draw it out and then are found guilty.
True. But it also depends. For some, just the allegation is a career killer. Of course, if you have physical talent, that's not the case in the NFL. Doesn't change my mind that he's a creep though.

[86WARD]

True. But it also depends. For some, just the allegation is a career killer. Of course, if you have physical talent, that's not the case in the NFL. Doesn't change my mind that he's a creep though.

Definite creep of some sort…

I think he did something, I also think that the lawyers against him have some piled on some maybe questionable “cases” as well.

Did you ever massage Watson? Yes? Did he ever move his arm and bump or graze your leg? Yes? Wanna try to earn some quick cash? Yes? Sign here…

I find it hard to believe if the allegations were equally bad across the board, one woman would’ve said something to someone…at that volume. Maybe not…

[Steeler-in-west]

would love to see him moving into a “new home with Baker Mayfield”.

:lol:

[DuckHodges]

I don't give a shit what really happened or what people do in their off time, I just want to see the Browns get screwed over cause it's funny

[tube517]

6 games? Weak.

[EzraTank]

6 games? Weak.

This is embarrassing and just shows you that $$$ and fame always win. 23+ girls and this predator gets a 6 game ban.

[steelreserve]

6 games? Weak.

You're right, it is weak. They should not be suspending people for facing civil lawsuits. Even criminal accusations until they've held a trial. The NFL personal conduct policy is a complete joke and should never have existed.

[86WARD]

The NFL can appeal for a longer suspension…


There's a chance that the length of the suspension could still change and that's because the NFL is allowed to appeal the decision (Watson's camp could also appeal the decision, but the NFLPA previously announced on Sunday that no appeal would be coming from that end).

If the NFL decides to appeal, it will create a new layer of drama and that's because the appeal would be heard by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell or someone he designates. As of Monday afternoon though, the league had yet to make a decision about a possible appeal.

[DuckHodges]

6 months? bah i wanted to see the browns suffer harder than that :chuckle:

[Dwinsgames]

this punishment is a J-O-K-E .....

They gave Ben 6 games initially for far less

Be consistent .....

6 games for 2 girls .... so should be 66 games for this guy going by the same standard

[Mojouw]

I think it was 2020 or so that the entire conduct policy was revamped. New process. New suspension benchmarks. Etc.

Early reports indicate this followed the new policies fairly closely.

[steelreserve]

this punishment is a J-O-K-E .....

They gave Ben 6 games initially for far less

Be consistent .....

6 games for 2 girls .... so should be 66 games for this guy going by the same standard

You're falling into the same backwards psychology trap as with the bullshit roughing the passer penalties. "They gave our guy one and it was bullshit, so they should call them more on other teams for the same bullshit."

People being more concerned about the rule doling out bullshit equally than with the fact that it's all bullshit.

[polamalubeast]

Not over yet....

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[polamalubeast]

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[steelreserve]

Not over yet....

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See, this is the type of thing that has me convinced that there are some very, very stupid people running the league, or at least its PR department.

The entire reason for their suspensions for off-the-field conduct is for PR purposes - so that they have something they can point to and say "But look, we take it very seriously, blah blah blah" whenever someone accuses them of hating women, or supporting drug abuse and domestic violence, or some such idiocy.

What was the status here? It was done - out of the news cycle, ancient history in our millisecond attention span society. The people who cared had formed an opinion and filed it away, and moved on to training camp news or the next political outrage, respectively.

So what's the logical next move for the league? Drag it back into the spotlight, of course! Give the whole thing another airing, maybe land it in real court! We'll be damned if we're going to let people forget about this one!

The entire premise of the player conduct policy is a losing battle for the league. No matter how seriously you say you take it or how many guys you suspend, at the end of the day it's still your own guy, and basically all you are doing is repeatedly announcing "yes, a lot of our players are douchebags."

A decade or more of this has not seemed to produce any noticeable change in players' off-the-field behavior, and there's nothing to indicate it ever will. The people this is intended to placate will never be happy anyway. So why even bother?

[polamalubeast]

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[cubanstogie]

Watson’s camp unhappy with 6 games? I’m calling BS, they were doing back flips. Really hard to know what’s true in media. Just read article saying Steelers should get Garropolo. Before Mitch or Pickett signings sure but now c’mon Man. Can’t wait til first preseason, all the hypotheticals making me crazy.

[Mojouw]

See, this is the type of thing that has me convinced that there are some very, very stupid people running the league, or at least its PR department.

The entire reason for their suspensions for off-the-field conduct is for PR purposes - so that they have something they can point to and say "But look, we take it very seriously, blah blah blah" whenever someone accuses them of hating women, or supporting drug abuse and domestic violence, or some such idiocy.

What was the status here? It was done - out of the news cycle, ancient history in our millisecond attention span society. The people who cared had formed an opinion and filed it away, and moved on to training camp news or the next political outrage, respectively.

So what's the logical next move for the league? Drag it back into the spotlight, of course! Give the whole thing another airing, maybe land it in real court! We'll be damned if we're going to let people forget about this one!

The entire premise of the player conduct policy is a losing battle for the league. No matter how seriously you say you take it or how many guys you suspend, at the end of the day it's still your own guy, and basically all you are doing is repeatedly announcing "yes, a lot of our players are douchebags."

A decade or more of this has not seemed to produce any noticeable change in players' off-the-field behavior, and there's nothing to indicate it ever will. The people this is intended to placate will never be happy anyway. So why even bother?

The league wants it off TV. They don’t want him trotting out on the field in a televised game while the announcers recap the whole sordid affair.

Indefinite suspension allows the league to dump Watson’s reinstatement into some black hole on the sports calendar that people will struggle to notice.

Do it after the SB but before FA and the draft next year and it gets buried under tons of other NFL news.

[polamalubeast]

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[86WARD]

Really not comparable cases.

Feel like this is just the NFL trying to check a PR box and satisfy the public outcry…

[NCSteeler]

Really not comparable cases.

Feel like this is just the NFL trying to check a PR box and satisfy the public outcry…Yes, they want to be able to say" we wanted a full season" we stand with women everywhere in solitude against sexual assault. Blah blah blah. The judges ruling says all anyone needs to know . She calls him a predator, she uses some really lame " non violent sexual assault " BS and goes on to say he should only see team sanction massage therapist

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[tube517]

https://therapist.news/therapy/cleveland-hosting-national-massage-therapist-convention-one-block-away-from-browns-stadium/

This is not "The Onion"

[silver & black]

https://therapist.news/therapy/cleveland-hosting-national-massage-therapist-convention-one-block-away-from-browns-stadium/

This is not "The Onion":rofl2::rofl2::rofl2:

[DesertSteel]

https://therapist.news/therapy/cleveland-hosting-national-massage-therapist-convention-one-block-away-from-browns-stadium/

This is not "The Onion"
The rapist and therapist are the same word when you put the former together. And in the case of Watson, they're the same as well.

[teegre]

The rapist and therapist are the same word when you put the former together. And in the case of Watson, they're the same as well.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=hElOag-1a0k

[86WARD]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=hElOag-1a0k

Knew that was coming from some direction…


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[T&B fan]

Kareem Hunt Demands Trade From Browns, Too Much Drama Around Cleveland

:rofl:

[polamalubeast]

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[86WARD]

Goofdell is seeking one year…

[SteelMember]

With Watson penned in to start the preseason game tomorrow, I would expect the updated penalty to be announced rather quickly.

If the league doesn't want him on the field... the Browns are forcing a decision.
Otherwise, could be an entertianing media day in Jacksonville.

[Mojouw]

The Browns are just not being smart about this whole thing.

Keeping Watson out of the public eye and the news cycle would be the wisest thing for them to do. How hard would it be to just not play him in preseason game 1? Many teams do that with players of a lesser on field quality than Watson.

They already poked the bear with their shady contract terms. Has the rest of the owners less than impressed and the league in a bad position.

They are doing everything they can to alienate potential allies in all this. Since, as I understand the CBA terms, the NFL can basically just keep appealing this thing until they eventually get the decision they want and then the only thing the Browns/NFLPA could do is take the league to federal court via lawsuit to try and reverse the CBA based process outcome. In order to do that, they (the Browns) are going to need allies.

Anyways....TL;DR -- the Browns ownership is being super-duper dumb about this. And not in the cool Al Davis "screw the league, I got this" way.

[polamalubeast]

The Browns are just not being smart about this whole thing.

Keeping Watson out of the public eye and the news cycle would be the wisest thing for them to do. How hard would it be to just not play him in preseason game 1? Many teams do that with players of a lesser on field quality than Watson.

They already poked the bear with their shady contract terms. Has the rest of the owners less than impressed and the league in a bad position.

They are doing everything they can to alienate potential allies in all this. Since, as I understand the CBA terms, the NFL can basically just keep appealing this thing until they eventually get the decision they want and then the only thing the Browns/NFLPA could do is take the league to federal court via lawsuit to try and reverse the CBA based process outcome. In order to do that, they (the Browns) are going to need allies.

Anyways....TL;DR -- the Browns ownership is being super-duper dumb about this. And not in the cool Al Davis "screw the league, I got this" way.

Super dumb and also super arrogant!

[steelreserve]

The league wants it off TV. They don’t want him trotting out on the field in a televised game while the announcers recap the whole sordid affair.

Indefinite suspension allows the league to dump Watson’s reinstatement into some black hole on the sports calendar that people will struggle to notice.

Do it after the SB but before FA and the draft next year and it gets buried under tons of other NFL news.

Guess what, it's on TV again. ESPN spent what must have been half an hour straight talking about it yesterday, because there isn't much else to talk about except shitty MLB news.

Game 1 of the season, the announcers will say, "Here's Jacoby Brissett, who's starting because of this huge scandal." Game 2, "Here's Jacoby Brissett, who's starting because of this huge scandal." Any time the Browns are struggling throughout the season, "You have to wonder how their season would be different if not for this huge scandal."

Next season: "And here's Watson trotting out, playing for the first time in two years because of this huge scandal. We haven't forgotten about it, let's rehash it just like if this same moment had happened last season!"

All the league is doing here is buying themselves another year of air time. Stupid.

[Mojouw]

Guess what, it's on TV again. ESPN spent what must have been half an hour straight talking about it yesterday, because there isn't much else to talk about except shitty MLB news.

Game 1 of the season, the announcers will say, "Here's Jacoby Brissett, who's starting because of this huge scandal." Game 2, "Here's Jacoby Brissett, who's starting because of this huge scandal." Any time the Browns are struggling throughout the season, "You have to wonder how their season would be different if not for this huge scandal."

Next season: "And here's Watson trotting out, playing for the first time in two years because of this huge scandal. We haven't forgotten about it, let's rehash it just like if this same moment had happened last season!"

All the league is doing here is buying themselves another year of air time. Stupid.

True. But in the league's eyes, that is far better than "Browns win again led to victory by their serial sexual predator QB. He's now accused of assaulting 327 women across 3 states! Now, here's and ad from Gillette!"

Is it better? I have no idea. But it is extremely clear that is what the league wants to avoid having happen. And the CBA language makes it pretty likely (not a sure thing or anything) that they will get their 1year ban on appeal.

[steelreserve]

True. But in the league's eyes, that is far better than "Browns win again led to victory by their serial sexual predator QB. He's now accused of assaulting 327 women across 3 states! Now, here's and ad from Gillette!"

Is it better? I have no idea. But it is extremely clear that is what the league wants to avoid having happen. And the CBA language makes it pretty likely (not a sure thing or anything) that they will get their 1year ban on appeal.

You're likely right about all of the above. I just think they make themselves look worse every time they go through this exercise.

I will never understand why the NFL thought it was a good idea to take these issues on with its own parallel extrajudicial trial system that shines a nice fat spotlight on the bad behavior of its players. Instead of the widely used, tried-and-tested response of a flat "we don't comment on pending legal matters" across the board. But I suppose they're far enough down that road that there may be no putting the genie back in the bottle.

[Steelerette]

You're likely right about all of the above. I just think they make themselves look worse every time they go through this exercise.

I will never understand why the NFL thought it was a good idea to take these issues on with its own parallel extrajudicial trial system that shines a nice fat spotlight on the bad behavior of its players. Instead of the widely used, tried-and-tested response of a flat "we don't comment on pending legal matters" across the board. But I suppose they're far enough down that road that there may be no putting the genie back in the bottle.

Because half* the population are women. Which has nothing to do with say, old marijuana suspensions, but everything to do with cases like this (which by extension, does impact other types of discipline because they need to present some kind of ostensible consistency). A blind eye policy would be a lot worse for their bottom line.

*roughly

[steelreserve]

Because half* the population are women. Which has nothing to do with say, old marijuana suspensions, but everything to do with cases like this (which by extension, does impact other types of discipline because they need to present some kind of ostensible consistency). A blind eye policy would be a lot worse for their bottom line.

*roughly

Do you really think there are that many women who would refuse to watch football because some of the players aren't nice, but their minds have been changed by Goodell's PR Court and now they're a-OK with it?

Or that the number of people whose minds have been changed is greater than the number who are more aware of the poor conduct thanks to the spotlight all the suspensions put on it?

Or for that matter, that anyone who truly cares enough about the players' character that they will angrily boycott the league will ever be happy? Or would be fooled by such an obvious PR move? Or was ever much of a fan?

And none of this even touches on the weed suspensions, which are 90% of them and the REAL disgrace.

I'm afraid this is another example of a case where a small but vocal minority has hoodwinked our poor mentally challenged commissioner into overreacting out of fear of "bad PR." Kind of like the 4 PETA protesters who showed up for Mike Vick. Or how the response to ESPN Concussion Sunday was a flurry of mostly meaningless gestures that ultimately just points it out more. Or the ever-evolving replay system that always seems to find new ways to show off terrible officiating.

The league really is awful at PR. Which ordinarily would be no big deal, except that they also keep finding ways for it to spill over into the field and fuck everything up.

[Steelerette]

I do know that if the Steelers had traded for Watson, I'd have never cheered for the Steelers again.

But on to your point. Yes, there are enough women and others who would bow out if the NFL's official policy were "we don't give a fuck." Their system isn't perfect or even good really but they are making efforts to be more consistent the past couple seasons.

[Mojouw]

SR Seems to be taking this from a "diehard fan" perspective. And from thst point of view, what he's saying holds.

But that discounts/or overlooks the vast swath of "casual fans" that are likely a significant source of $$$. Those folks are going to turn their attention and money elsewhere when the NFL stops being "fun" for them. And for a big % of consumers sexual.ptrdators and violence against women isn't "fun".

And the other PR moves are just that. But, using myself and my old man as examples, we complain about rule changes every season. But we don't stop watching. We also spend about MAYBE $50 each per year on anything that goes into the league coffers. Most of my "diehard fan" buddies are similar. We're invisible to the NFL.

Many friends who aren't that deeply invested in the NFK are super visible to the league. Why? They spend cash. Go to games. Buy licensed gear. Get Sunday Ticket. And, typically, they like replay and player discipline.

Know who else likes those things? $pon&or$.

[polamalubeast]

I have to admit I wanted Watson between January to March....I've never been that stupid!...I'm glad the steelers never seriously considered Watson!

[steelreserve]

I do know that if the Steelers had traded for Watson, I'd have never cheered for the Steelers again.

But on to your point. Yes, there are enough women and others who would bow out if the NFL's official policy were "we don't give a fuck." Their system isn't perfect or even good really but they are making efforts to be more consistent the past couple seasons.

I think maybe they'd bow out now, if the league already had the policy and then reversed it.

Before, when there was no policy and teams were kind of left to figure out whether they wanted to deal with a player who was a dirtbag or not - you never really heard much other than occasional low-level grumbling. No one thought the league supported domestic violence or drugs or sexual assault.

Basically they created this problem for themselves by coming out and hyperfocusing on bad behavior. But, they can't really stop now that the cat's out of the bag. A bad PR move to get involved with it in the first place, is what it was.

[teegre]

Perfect

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/wmzd1w/highlight_jaguars_fans_welcome_watson_to_tiaa/

[86WARD]

Perfect

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/wmzd1w/highlight_jaguars_fans_welcome_watson_to_tiaa/

That’s a pretty high standard for the rest of the league to stand up to!! [emoji23]

[teegre]

That’s a pretty high standard for the rest of the league to stand up to!! [emoji23]

I have a feeling that the Eagles fans will win this competition. :lol:

[polamalubeast]

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[polamalubeast]

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[tube517]

Dude is an embarassment. Dumbshit Stains should keep him away from the media..oh wait, it's the Stains. What a laughingstock.

[Born2Steel]

Dude is an embarassment. Dumbshit Stains should keep him away from the media..oh wait, it's the Stains. What a laughingstock.

What's embarrassing is the punishment of only 11 games and the $5M gesture of a fine. How much did he just get guaranteed? The Browns are getting punished more than Watson is. The fans are getting punished more than Watson is.

[86WARD]

The NFL is more of an embarrassment. They’re looking to capitalize on the Texans/Browns game. Who wants to bet that’s not a National Game?? lol.

[tube517]

What's embarrassing is the punishment of only 11 games and the $5M gesture of a fine. How much did he just get guaranteed? The Browns are getting punished more than Watson is. The fans are getting punished more than Watson is.

I was only talking about his recent appearance. I've never been a fan of the NFL leadership and that "punishment" is an embarassment and frankly I'm not surprised.

[Born2Steel]

I was only talking about his recent appearance. I've never been a fan of the NFL leadership and that "punishment" is an embarassment and frankly I'm not surprised.

For some reason I continue to be surprised.

[Dwinsgames]

What's embarrassing is the punishment of only 11 games and the $5M gesture of a fine. How much did he just get guaranteed? The Browns are getting punished more than Watson is. The fans are getting punished more than Watson is.

THIS

[steelreserve]

What's embarrassing is the punishment of only 11 games and the $5M gesture of a fine. How much did he just get guaranteed? The Browns are getting punished more than Watson is. The fans are getting punished more than Watson is.

Being fined millions of dollars and missing almost two years of work is pretty stiff for appearing in a civil lawsuit.

Being outraged that it wasn't more, or that this player should've gotten suspended longer than that one, is just swallowing the bait whether you realize it or not. It's all just a PR move anyway, and if you care, you've bought into it.

[DuckHodges]

11 games, that's more like it.

[polamalubeast]

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[Dwinsgames]

Being fined millions of dollars and missing almost two years of work is pretty stiff for appearing in a civil lawsuit.

Being outraged that it wasn't more, or that this player should've gotten suspended longer than that one, is just swallowing the bait whether you realize it or not. It's all just a PR move anyway, and if you care, you've bought into it.

Last year was all on him as he refused to play for the Texans and they agreed to pay him while they tried to work out a trade

[Steelerette]

Even though I am not happy and think he should have been punished more sternly (not even missing a whole season is a joke for what he did, and $5mm is nothing for what he'll be earning).

If there's a silver lining it's that this means he's eligible for six games which will make this year toll as a contract year, so the Browns aren't getting away with their salary structure shenanigans: they're very screwed next year and need to shed $30mm just to be able to field a team.

11 games sounds arbitrary until you consider that. It's possible that number was settled on as a means of hammering the Browns for trying to get away with that.

[Born2Steel]

Even though I am not happy and think he should have been punished more sternly (not even missing a whole season is a joke for what he did, and $5mm is nothing for what he'll be earning).

If there's a silver lining it's that this means he's eligible for six games which will make this year toll as a contract year, so the Browns aren't getting away with their salary structure shenanigans: they're very screwed next year and need to shed $30mm just to be able to field a team.

11 games sounds arbitrary until you consider that. It's possible that number was settled on as a means of hammering the Browns for trying to get away with that.

11 games was decided because week 12 has Browns vs Texans. Watson comes back in time to play his old team. Marquee matchup and the NFL gets to make up the money it loses with Watson not playing on tv in just one game. Watch it get flexed for prime time. If it isn't already.

[DesertSteel]

Last year was all on him as he refused to play for the Texans and they agreed to pay him while they tried to work out a trade
Hey don’t ruin steelreserve’s argument by bringing in facts!

[Steelerette]

11 games was decided because week 12 has Browns vs Texans. Watson comes back in time to play his old team. Marquee matchup and the NFL gets to make up the money it loses with Watson not playing on tv in just one game. Watch it get flexed for prime time. If it isn't already.
Which was very likely intentionally planned as a contingency, with the six game toll in mind.

[steelreserve]

Last year was all on him as he refused to play for the Texans and they agreed to pay him while they tried to work out a trade

Maybe I misunderstood something, but I thought the way it happened was he asked for a trade, and they were going to trade him, but then when all this started they were like fuck that, we won't get enough value in a trade because of the scandal, so he was like ok, if you're not going to trade me, then I'm playing, right, and they were like fuck that, you're not playing either because of the scandal. So basically it was the reason why that lasted a whole season too.

[Mojouw]

Notice the "eligible to return" part. There's a bunch of vague goals Watson has to meet with counseling and other stuff. He can ask to be reinstated. League can the just say "nah".

[EzraTank]

What's embarrassing is the punishment of only 11 games and the $5M gesture of a fine. How much did he just get guaranteed? The Browns are getting punished more than Watson is. The fans are getting punished more than Watson is.

So he got fine 1 game for every 6 women he groped and roughly $75K/woman.

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Being fined millions of dollars and missing almost two years of work is pretty stiff for appearing in a civil lawsuit.

Being outraged that it wasn't more, or that this player should've gotten suspended longer than that one, is just swallowing the bait whether you realize it or not. It's all just a PR move anyway, and if you care, you've bought into it.

Yeah, I guess it's not a big deal, unless it was your sister that got assaulted.

[Born2Steel]

This morning on the radio, Keyshawn said that he would have suspended Watson the entire 2022 season and fined him $46M. That’s his average earning per season. He went on to say how it doesn’t matter who’s sister, daughter, mother it was, the act is what should be punished.

[steelreserve]

Yeah, I guess it's not a big deal, unless it was your sister that got assaulted.


This morning on the radio, Keyshawn said that he would have suspended Watson the entire 2022 season and fined him $46M. That’s his average earning per season. He went on to say how it doesn’t matter who’s sister, daughter, mother it was, the act is what should be punished.

Remind me again what he's been convicted of?

See, this is why it's not a good idea for companies to set up their own extrajudicial public trial systems. It tends to convince people that accusation is the same as guilt.

Don't forget - this is all for PR. There is a whole system set up to establish guilt. In that system, they said we looked at the evidence and it's not even enough to charge you with anything. Yet even a majority of of normally perfectly reasonable people act the same as if the NFL decision is a verdict from a court and go around saying what if it was your daughter. A company PR hearing. I don't think you need me to explain all the negative implications of that.

"But everyone knows the system favors the rich and famous!" some will say. Well, then that is a bigger problem if you are concerned about it. But expecting the NFL to solve it for you is just lazy. It's a PR trial. I cannot repeat that too many times.

[86WARD]

Remind me again what he's been convicted of?

See, this is why it's not a good idea for companies to set up their own extrajudicial public trial systems. It tends to convince people that accusation is the same as guilt.

Don't forget - this is all for PR. There is a whole system set up to establish guilt. In that system, they said we looked at the evidence and it's not even enough to charge you with anything. Yet even a majority of of normally perfectly reasonable people act the same as if the NFL decision is a verdict from a court and go around saying what if it was your daughter. A company PR hearing. I don't think you need me to explain all the negative implications of that.

"But everyone knows the system favors the rich and famous!" some will say. Well, then that is a bigger problem if you are concerned about it. But expecting the NFL to solve it for you is just lazy. It's a PR trial. I cannot repeat that too many times.

He’s been convicted of being an idiot and putting himself in terrible situations. Situations that can be avoided. Same thing Ben was convicted of.

He “tarnished the shield”. It is what it is. Tarnish the shield, get suspended. It’s really that simple.

[steelreserve]

He’s been convicted of being an idiot and putting himself in terrible situations. Situations that can be avoided. Same thing Ben was convicted of.

He “tarnished the shield”. It is what it is. Tarnish the shield, get suspended. It’s really that simple.

Well I don't see anyone going around saying "This is a joke, he should get a harsher suspension because he tarnished the shield so much," they say "what if it was your sister or your daughter."

It's like this really passive-aggressive dysfunctuonal system where it doesn't really prove anything, except it does, except it doesn't, but it does ... and it doesn't actually matter, except it does, except it doesn't, except it does.

Overall, I don't even care who's guilty of what or not - the world is better off with less things like that in it, not more.

And that includes both the NFL and its players, because this type of thing is like trying to cover up the tarnish on the shield by smearing shit all over it instead. I guess the stupidest people will say, "See? You can't see the tarnish now, genius!"

[Dwinsgames]

" they say "what if it was your sister or your daughter.""


he wouldn't have to worry about the 11 game suspension or the 5 million in fine money ....

just sayin

[polamalubeast]

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[DuckHodges]

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Are you surprised? These are the same people that backed Myles Garrett literally doing an attempted murder on live TV

[polamalubeast]

When the NFL and quarterback Deshaun Watson agreed to an 11-game suspension and $5 million fine, a case could have been made that it would have been better for the Browns to have Watson miss a full year. That would have truly suspended Watson’s contract, pushing it back by a full year, keeping him under contract through 2027, and slashing his salary in 2023 from $46 million to the veteran minimum for a player with his level of experience (currently, that’s $1.035 million).

Some within league circles may have thought the same thing. As noted by Peter King in his new Football Morning in America column, a “prominent team executive” recently said this: “I think there were multiple owners who didn’t want Deshaun Watson suspended for the season, and told Roger Goodell that.”

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[Hawkman]

Was it worth alienating Baker Mayfield over this?

We will see.